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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses



My dad hurts my feelings by scolding me and Rushdie hurts Khomeini's feelings by writing Satanic Verses. I am so so upset that I do not take my dinner. Khomeini is so upset that he promises $1million for an unknown hitman who will kill Rushdie. I am helpless and dependent on my dad. Khomeini holds the highest power in a near theocratic state and has the power to do or undo any thing. I am childish and can't value my dad's good advice. Khomeini is full of himself and wants to judge art and literature with his own "light". I am a trivial person. Khomeini is an "establishment" founded on religion. He perceives that his religion is is under threat from Rushdie's literary work. Perception is subjective---both Khomeini's and mine. I have no followers, nobody supports me although my mom pulls me closer to her with affection to eat dinner. Khomeini's huge following is completely opposite.      

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses

 
Why critiquing a religion is so hard to bear for its believers.
 
I know criticism of communism is forbidden in the communist countries. If anybody does so, he will not be heard of again. Communism requires total subjugation and control of the masses to make that system work. That can't be the reason behind prohibiting criticism of religion. Then again - there are civil laws prohibiting criticism of religion in many countries. So, the motive may be the same in both systems. In fact, these two systems may be the flip-sides of a coin.
 
More or less all religions demand total subjugation of their followers to the God. In some followers even feel proud of calling themselves as slaves of God; slaves are not in a position to criticize the system. So, they don't. But, not everybody is happy to assume this role. For those who do not want to be a slave - let them go free. God will deal with them. OK?  
 
Some people say criticism of a religion hurts the feelings of its followers. All criticisms hurt feeling. When my father scolded me in my childhood, it used to hurt my feeling; I used to question his love for me during that transient period. When my teacher criticized me in front of my fellow classmates, it used to hurt my feeling badly. You cannot go after the person just because he hurts your feeling. That's totally uncivil manner. Yes, Rushdie and Taslima may have hurt feelings of the believer.  So what? Deal with it, as you do with any other hurt-feelings. That's a mature and civilized way to deal with it.
 
Jiten Roy


From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses

 
What is 'middle-class concerns on women's issues'?
 
Taslima Nasrin could be the culprit behind increasing 'hizabization' of women in Bangladesh, what an absurd argument! I can understand that the Jamati's would resist any movement that advocates women's rights. One way to suppress such movements would be to hizabize more women. If Bangladesh fell for that, it was because the country did not have enough educated people to advocate women's rights, not because the women's rights activists were wrong or imperfect in executing their movement.
 
I do not think a truly secular person would downplay "Lajja" by branding it 'a badly written account of Hindu persecution in Bangladesh'. 'Badly written' and 'badly executed' are the kind of excuses that are made by people who do not wish to support the fight against the persecution in question. It would also be pretty uneducated of anyone reading the book (Lajja) and finding that the 'central message' was a cowardly whimper of the Hindu hero managing to slap a Muslim street prostitute as his climactic act of protest.
 
I agree with Ms. Majid on one point. A Hindu should not criticize Islam (or any other non-Hindu religion), and a Muslim should not criticize Hinduism (or any other non-Islamic religion). The religious fools need to see the silliness in their own religions. To be a neutral critique of religions, one should promote himself/herself to a Human first. I do not identify myself in terms of any religion. However, I still avoid picking up a religious book and trying to find faults in it. That is because it is obvious that a thousand years back people were less civilized, and knew less. We can not go back in time to fix anything; it is better to focus on recent and current hatred and injustices.
 
Talking about Taslima Nasrin's successes with her narcissism, are we feeling bad that our own narcissism did not give us such successes? I think we should control our personal attacks on people who are writing in this forum as well on people who are not writing in this forum.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses
 
          Taslima was a good columnist. I used to be a fan, though i often found her to be a bit too confined to her middle-class concerns on women's issues. I supported her views when she blamed religious beliefs, customs and other superstitions for the plight of women in our society.

           But in 1993, when confronted by the fundamentalists, I was shocked by the way she just chickened out. Her cowardice was visible in her body language (coy looks and min-min voice) and the stupidity of repeating over and over again the same dumb, unexamined Bangla translations of the Qur'an and calling them "religion" was simply stupefying! How can anybody be so scared to lose basic cultural sense, or an idea of what political game was being played? Her narcissism was then as now is too blatant.

             She did more harm to women's ongoing movements in Bangladesh by emboldening the Jamaati factions. Almost every woman activist I've met in the field says so. Today there are more hijabized women in BD than they were in 1993 and Taslima's fiasco in 1993 is partly to blame.

            As an old communalism combatant I can tell you that Taslima is just another rotten piece of wooden chip in the fire of communalism.  I work with a team of communalism combatants and none of us singles out a particular religion and attacks it indiscriminately.  Even the die-hard atheists and religion-haters amongst us has learned (the hard way) not to pick on "religion" as the root cause of communalism despite the fact that religion is the main vehicle of their hate-mongering machine.

            Her novelette 'Lajja' is a badly written account of Hindu persecution in Bangladesh in the sense that its central message is a cowardly whimper (the Hindu hero managing to slap a Muslim street prostitute as his climactic act of protest!). Had Taslima really cared about humanity the message could have been bolder in that novel, and more politically or even artistically meaningful in sensitizing us about the root causes of communalism.

           Just as I, a Muslim, would not go on and on about the flaw in Hinduism regarding its caste system, my Hindu or Christian team-mates are discouraged from talking about 'jehadism' as a part of Islam and as if every ordinary Indian or Bangladeshi Muslim lives by it.
          
             Combating communalism and religious fundamentalism is not as easy as it seems superficially. It is a rough ride and it gets rougher the more deeply you get involved. It requires a thorough knowledge and understanding of our subcontinental history and culture.

             Taslima has done well with her narcissism, and I applaud her. But please do not call her a "champion" on women's issues or a sincere anti-communal activist.  She is a sneaky, manipulative coward, the opposite of 'brave'.

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A communalist has no moral right to criticize another community's religion as his criticism will not be objective and unbiased. Even an atheist can be communal. In that case even an atheist has no moral right to criticize a religion. If I am blind to my own religion, I must not critique others' religions for the same reason. Constructive criticism is necessary for the advancement of the society. And these critics may come from any community as long as their critiquing is backed by objective analysis.
   
 
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses

 
Only time, I criticize any religion is when a religionist tries to impose his 'truth' on me.  I started it about thirty years ago in Vancouver, B.C., when a young christian boy wanted me to follow him and establish a 'just society' on the model of Jesus.  I queried if he would ever be able to pay the society back what he had already consumed, he gave up on me.
 I am a human first, searcher of truth next.  Buddha advised his followers to judge everything they heard, even if he said it.  The followers of Abraham are less liberal, they would send every critic to 'afterlife' and try to convince others that they would bring peace on earth.  People in the modern age are smarter than these followers think.



On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What is 'middle-class concerns on women's issues'?
 
Taslima Nasrin could be the culprit behind increasing 'hizabization' of women in Bangladesh, what an absurd argument! I can understand that the Jamati's would resist any movement that advocates women's rights. One way to suppress such movements would be to hizabize more women. If Bangladesh fell for that, it was because the country did not have enough educated people to advocate women's rights, not because the women's rights activists were wrong or imperfect in executing their movement.
 
I do not think a truly secular person would downplay "Lajja" by branding it 'a badly written account of Hindu persecution in Bangladesh'. 'Badly written' and 'badly executed' are the kind of excuses that are made by people who do not wish to support the fight against the persecution in question. It would also be pretty uneducated of anyone reading the book (Lajja) and finding that the 'central message' was a cowardly whimper of the Hindu hero managing to slap a Muslim street prostitute as his climactic act of protest.
 
I agree with Ms. Majid on one point. A Hindu should not criticize Islam (or any other non-Hindu religion), and a Muslim should not criticize Hinduism (or any other non-Islamic religion). The religious fools need to see the silliness in their own religions. To be a neutral critique of religions, one should promote himself/herself to a Human first. I do not identify myself in terms of any religion. However, I still avoid picking up a religious book and trying to find faults in it. That is because it is obvious that a thousand years back people were less civilized, and knew less. We can not go back in time to fix anything; it is better to focus on recent and current hatred and injustices.
 
Talking about Taslima Nasrin's successes with her narcissism, are we feeling bad that our own narcissism did not give us such successes? I think we should control our personal attacks on people who are writing in this forum as well on people who are not writing in this forum.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses
 
          Taslima was a good columnist. I used to be a fan, though i often found her to be a bit too confined to her middle-class concerns on women's issues. I supported her views when she blamed religious beliefs, customs and other superstitions for the plight of women in our society.

           But in 1993, when confronted by the fundamentalists, I was shocked by the way she just chickened out. Her cowardice was visible in her body language (coy looks and min-min voice) and the stupidity of repeating over and over again the same dumb, unexamined Bangla translations of the Qur'an and calling them "religion" was simply stupefying! How can anybody be so scared to lose basic cultural sense, or an idea of what political game was being played? Her narcissism was then as now is too blatant.

             She did more harm to women's ongoing movements in Bangladesh by emboldening the Jamaati factions. Almost every woman activist I've met in the field says so. Today there are more hijabized women in BD than they were in 1993 and Taslima's fiasco in 1993 is partly to blame.

            As an old communalism combatant I can tell you that Taslima is just another rotten piece of wooden chip in the fire of communalism.  I work with a team of communalism combatants and none of us singles out a particular religion and attacks it indiscriminately.  Even the die-hard atheists and religion-haters amongst us has learned (the hard way) not to pick on "religion" as the root cause of communalism despite the fact that religion is the main vehicle of their hate-mongering machine.

            Her novelette 'Lajja' is a badly written account of Hindu persecution in Bangladesh in the sense that its central message is a cowardly whimper (the Hindu hero managing to slap a Muslim street prostitute as his climactic act of protest!). Had Taslima really cared about humanity the message could have been bolder in that novel, and more politically or even artistically meaningful in sensitizing us about the root causes of communalism.

           Just as I, a Muslim, would not go on and on about the flaw in Hinduism regarding its caste system, my Hindu or Christian team-mates are discouraged from talking about 'jehadism' as a part of Islam and as if every ordinary Indian or Bangladeshi Muslim lives by it.
          
             Combating communalism and religious fundamentalism is not as easy as it seems superficially. It is a rough ride and it gets rougher the more deeply you get involved. It requires a thorough knowledge and understanding of our subcontinental history and culture.

             Taslima has done well with her narcissism, and I applaud her. But please do not call her a "champion" on women's issues or a sincere anti-communal activist.  She is a sneaky, manipulative coward, the opposite of 'brave'.

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Border Killings !!!



I am a doubter, I admit; I doubt everything. So, I think that recent video of border-beating and the picture of the dead well-dressed little girl at the Bangladesh-India border need some scrutiny. How did she get killed? Did somebody hung her dead body at the fence for pictures? If not, why she wanted to cross the border. Are they part of an organized black-market ring? Or, were they innocent victims of a setup by some vested interest groups for obtaining political talking-points? How did they acquire those images if these incidents occurred on the other side of the border? Anybody knows?
 
If these incidents were not due to a border-intrusion by BSF, I agree with you on the point that - whatever happens at the border involving illegal border crossings should have no bearing on the relationship between the two neighboring countries. 
 
Jiten Roy

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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 7:59 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Border Killings !!!

 
Dear India Haters and Awami League Lovers,

Any Killing is wrong and prohibited by Universal Declaration of Human Rights, either as punishment or with any intention. Mexican border killings as per police claim are related to drug and violence related to drug. Please see the references of Border Killings in Bangladesh and Mexico below:

Please cool down or drink a little bit more Koolaid to keep you calm and quiet to use your Allah/God/Creator  given or endowed quality, "reason and conscience" or "Ashraful Makhlukat'  as embodied in the Declaration of Universal Human Rights of United Nations Article 1. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a1    , ratified by 195+ sovereign countries of the world, this is the sole quality which differentiate us from living animals- only animals do not use "reason and conscious" living human should, if he does not then he degrades himself to animals, criminals, mentally disabled or what not. So please use your  "reason and conscious" in your all activities, thinking, arguments, talking, writing, emails etc. etc.

Article 1.

  • All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
So many killings happen in Mexican Border but friendship between Mexico and USA has never been to breaking point, The Mexicans, natural resources rich , but  mostly poor because of their bad governments, poor Mexicans cross the border illegally knowing full well that it is illegal and border police may kill most of the time if attempt goes wrong any time. Like our Bangladesh , we are very poor for our bad and corrupted governments. I know the best brain surgeon, it was in Readers' Digest Article,  of Johns Hopkins crossed the border 7 times while he was a teen ager, police put him back 6 times because he surrendered and was  arrested, he used to pick  ripe red tomatoes as a farm worker boy, went to school did very well and became a brain surgeon, now he says pick up red tomato like brain tumour from his patients' brains;  he spends at least 25% of his time and money volunteering and helping other poor kids irrespective of ethnicities to go to school and for their education
Regards.
Yours sincerely,
Golam F. Akhter, Bangladesh-USA Human Rights Coalition Inc.

Reference 1. Bangladesh Border Killings:    http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?ReportId=94399 

"....................Some 347 Bangladeshis and 164 Indians have been killed by Indian forces since 2006, when the Indian government built the wall, according to BSF................................."

Reference 2. Mexico Border Killings:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_deaths_along_the_Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border

Migrant deaths along the Mexico–U.S. border occur hundreds of times a year because of those attempting to cross into the United States from Mexicoillegally.[1] The number of deaths has steadily increased since the mid-1990s with exposure (including heat strokedehydration, and hypothermia) being the leading cause.[2]
According to the United States Border Patrol, 1,954 people died crossing the U.S–Mexico border between the years 1998-2004.[3] In the fiscal year ending September 29, 2004, 460 migrants died crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.[4] In 2005, more than 500 died across the entire U.S.-Mexico border.[5] The number of yearly border crossing deaths has doubled since 1995.[6] In 2009, 417 deaths were reported across the border.[7] Yet the statistics cited by scholars and the media are only the number of known deaths and do not include those who have never been found, underestimating the actual number of migrants that have died attempting unauthorized border crossings.[8]

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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:54 PM, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com> wrote:
Mohiuddin Saheb> Don't worry, pretty soon your Ler-Kay-Lengay-Hindustan Netri
will be in Power. She will put the Indian Maalaaoons in their rightful place and establish
your dream of United Pakistan. I propose a new name for the United Pakistan-RAZAAKARISTAN!  
That way you guys can defend your action by saying, see we did not want Pakistan!
 
SaifDevdas
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Subject: Re: Fw: Border Killings !!!
Mr. Manik,
Advisor of Awami League,
 
According to the latest statement from Mr. Ashraf, Secretery Of Awami League, such BSF brutality will continue and we have to live with this tragedy for long time.
Why can't we prevent BSF brutality?
What's the deal ?
Are we weak to defend our border population since our BDR crippled ?
Why BSF can't do similar brutalities against Pakistani border people ?
Can't we fight back ?

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Subject: Fw: Border Killings !!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:46:25 -0800 (PST)



 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Border Killings !!!

Mr. Anwar,

BSF killed 350 bangladeshis when BNP was in power (2001-2006). Did you protest that time ? Where was your big mouth that time ? Your guru Nizami and Mujahidi were ministers during that time !!!! So, stop your HUKKA HUA with border killing . BSF is killing bangladeshis but you are killing English language in your mails. Try to be literate in this forum .

Sharafat Majumder.




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Asking no question, one would be led to believe theories like flat earth, geocentric universe and all absurdities.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

As Gargi (female disciple) was asking questions her guru sage Jajnavalkya and was trying to go more and more in depth, he stopped her and was about to curse her. His response was: Don't try to know too much.
 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses

 
Allah almighty has sealed the analytical ability of his believers.  A 'religion' that killed all it's 'rightly guided caliphs', the dead body of it's prophet having remained unaccounted forever, revelations occasionally being received from Satan might have a different origin than God the merciful.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Do you understand why Rushdie needed M16/Scotland Yard protection and Taslima needed to leave her own country? 
 
Of course you do. You said, "They have taken advantage of the security umbrella provided by the so called democratic systems…..."
 
So, you see, they needed that security protection to save their souls from good people, such as yourself, and they knew that they will get it in countries where freedom of speech is protected.
 
How could some people pass comments like these? I am amazed by their thoughtfulness and intelligence.
Jiten Roy
 

From: MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN <mustafiz84@hotmail.com>
To: Mukto-mona Mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 3:07 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses

 
Please let me put in my two cents too:

I feel that writers like Taslima Nasreen and Salman Rushdie are type of carpetbaggers with the sole motive to publicize themselves and thus make two pice from it. They have taken advantage of the security umbrella provided by the so called democratic systems and written on subjects they do not fully comprehend. For example Taslima has suggested to rewrite the Quran in line with modern day thinking. Rushdie wrote a piece deliberately making fun of a Prophet. Both knew the reactions and ramifications. But only saw their own benefits in them. Rushdie got MI6/Scotland Yard protection while the lady could stay in first world countries for free, with publicity and awards thrown in. But the main thing is that they used their Godgiven calibers to defame the very same God who gave it to them. They are neither the first nor going to be the last to vilify religion and the Prophets. But history too has been dumping their types!!

Mustafizur Rahman

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: subimal@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:57:34 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses

 

Taslima is a champion of women's liberation and secularism or non-communalism. She is brave and uncompromising too. She deserves respect for that. She is definitely not a great poet or a novelist, although she is a good columnist. Her memoir made Ketaki Kushari Dyson weep (she said it in a message in Uttorshuri.) She is not a great scholar too. But she understood that religions in general discriminate against women and the current institutions (including the family) are also overtly or covertly on men's side. Araj Ali Matubbar had education only upto 10th or 12th grade, and understood the true role of religion in dealing with women. I think Taslima became most controversial by writing the novelette "Lajja". A very small section of the educated but communalist Muslims could not accept the portrayal of the persecuted Hindus by goondas of the rulin party. They made a propaganda that Taslima had been paid by BJP to write the book with the sole objective of tarnishing the "bhabmoorti" of Bangladesh. By doing this we have simply strengthened the hands of the communalists. Even if the propaganda was based on facts, the fact still remains that Hindus were persecuted.    

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses

 
What is the difference between banning a book and burning it?  By making criticism of 'holy preachers' blasphemous the law makers have made them even more vulnerable to criticism.  The belligerent attitude towards blasphemy is a remnant of the dark age.  Those who support it mentally belong there.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
             Please make a note of the fact that these "readings" from the novel Satanic Verses at the Jaipur Festival did not cause any disturbance among the attendants which must have contained Muslims. This fact should also be added to the fact that Rushdie never followed up Satanic Verses with anything, either in his fiction or public writings, that could be considered anti-Islam, though he has always been expressly against religious fundamentalism.
   
             Therefore, the novel Satanic Verses is not an anti-Islamic novel. It is, in fact, a pro-Indian Muslim novel with warm feelings towards the Prophet, Islam and the Qur'an.  Rushdie is sufficiently knowledgeable in Islamic studies, which, incidentally, Taslima Nasreen is not.  She does not even know what religious fundamentalism is by definition because she receives accolades and international prizes just by bad-mouthing Islam.

             The whole Rushdie Affair was a very nasty and complex politics played on the world stage. The Fundamentalists and their secret supporters won that round, but only to "pay" for in later politics as we are probably witnessing now.

             Farida


From: sukla.sen@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:06:19 +0530
Subject: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses

 
http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5770961

21/01/2012
Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses

The banned Satanic Verses cast its shadow at the Jaipur Literature
Festival on Friday with its controversial author Salman Rushdie citing
death threats pulling out of the event while some outraged authors
read out portions of the book.

Ending days of speculation over his participation in the event, the
India-born Booker prize winning author in a message to the organisers
stated that he had been told by intelligence sources in Maharashtra
and Rajasthan that "paid assassins" from the Mumbai underworld may be
on their way to Jaipur to "eliminate" him.

"While I have some doubts about the accuracy of this intelligence, it
would be irresponsible of me to come to the Festival in such
circumstances; irresponsible to my family, to the festival audience,
and to my fellow writers. I will, therefore, not travel to Jaipur as
planned," Rushdie said as the five-day literary meet kicked off today.

The 65-year-old novelist later said on Twitter that he would
participate at the event via video link.

The circumstances under which Rushdie had to cancel his India visit
outraged the literary community who said it is a "stain" on India's
reputation.

Darul Uloom Deoband, a leading Islamic seminary which had on January 9
asked government to bar Rushdie from coming to India as he had
allegedly hurt religious sentiments of Muslims, welcomed Rushdie's
decision.

As a mark of protest, two prominent authors--Hari Kunzru and Amitava
Kumar--used their session at the festival to read out portions from
"Satanic Verses", banned in the country shortly after it was published
in 1988, for allegedly hurting the sentiments of Muslims.

Kunzru and Kumar referred to the book during their own readings and
discussions and actually went on to read out portions from it.

In fact just before his reading, Kunzru tweeted:"About to defy bigots
and shoe throwers, reading @SalmanRushdie Satanic Verses on stage with
@amitavakumar at #jaipur #jlf (sic)."

They also read out Rushdie's tweet to the audience in which he had
thanked the two for reading from his work to a loud applause.

The organizers later asked Kumar not to go ahead with his reading.
Kumar initially agreed to the suggestion but later continued reading
from Rushdie's work.

Soon afterwards, authors Jeet Thayil and Ruchir Joshi said they too
would read from the Satanic Verses.

A perturbed Rushdie later tweeted: "@amitavakumar says organizers
asked him not to continue reading from Satanic Verses." Willie,
Sanjoy: why did this happen?". He was referring to William Dalrymple
and Sanjoy K Roy, the festival organizers.

Rushdie again tweeted: "Joshi too said they would be reading from the
Satanic Verses."

Earlier, outrage and resentment were the dominant emotions on the
first day of the Festival as writers, intellectuals and fans cried
foul over Rushdie calling off his visit.

Pakistan-based writer Mohammed Hanif, the author of "The Case of
Exploding Mangoes" and "The Lady of Alice Bhatti", said the
"controversy over the 'The Satanic Verses' has been blown out of
proportion and it should not have happened". Addressing the media,
writer William Dalrymple said "the whole episode was the result of
Chinese whispers."

"At least 262 authors are here to enjoy. Salman is a writer of
enormous depth. It is a great tragedy that he is not here," Dalrymple
said as writer Namita Gokhale said she was "personally very
disappointed that Salman Rushdie was not coming".

"I hope and believe that we will have him here another year," Gokhale said.

Eminent poet and lyricist Gulzar, who was at the festival, said, "It
is wrong to muzzle free speech". "Whoever is responsible for this
politics will pay. I regret that Rushdie could not come to the
festival," the lyricist said.

Novelist and playwright Kiran Nagarkar, who has also faced political
gag for his play "The Bedtime Story", lamented "the constraints on the
freedom of speech in a democracy". "I know the feeling," the writer
said.

Source: PTI/IANS

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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses



Only time, I criticize any religion is when a religionist tries to impose his 'truth' on me.  I started it about thirty years ago in Vancouver, B.C., when a young christian boy wanted me to follow him and establish a 'just society' on the model of Jesus.  I queried if he would ever be able to pay the society back what he had already consumed, he gave up on me.
 I am a human first, searcher of truth next.  Buddha advised his followers to judge everything they heard, even if he said it.  The followers of Abraham are less liberal, they would send every critic to 'afterlife' and try to convince others that they would bring peace on earth.  People in the modern age are smarter than these followers think.



On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

What is 'middle-class concerns on women's issues'?
 
Taslima Nasrin could be the culprit behind increasing 'hizabization' of women in Bangladesh, what an absurd argument! I can understand that the Jamati's would resist any movement that advocates women's rights. One way to suppress such movements would be to hizabize more women. If Bangladesh fell for that, it was because the country did not have enough educated people to advocate women's rights, not because the women's rights activists were wrong or imperfect in executing their movement.
 
I do not think a truly secular person would downplay "Lajja" by branding it 'a badly written account of Hindu persecution in Bangladesh'. 'Badly written' and 'badly executed' are the kind of excuses that are made by people who do not wish to support the fight against the persecution in question. It would also be pretty uneducated of anyone reading the book (Lajja) and finding that the 'central message' was a cowardly whimper of the Hindu hero managing to slap a Muslim street prostitute as his climactic act of protest.
 
I agree with Ms. Majid on one point. A Hindu should not criticize Islam (or any other non-Hindu religion), and a Muslim should not criticize Hinduism (or any other non-Islamic religion). The religious fools need to see the silliness in their own religions. To be a neutral critique of religions, one should promote himself/herself to a Human first. I do not identify myself in terms of any religion. However, I still avoid picking up a religious book and trying to find faults in it. That is because it is obvious that a thousand years back people were less civilized, and knew less. We can not go back in time to fix anything; it is better to focus on recent and current hatred and injustices.
 
Talking about Taslima Nasrin's successes with her narcissism, are we feeling bad that our own narcissism did not give us such successes? I think we should control our personal attacks on people who are writing in this forum as well on people who are not writing in this forum.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read Satanic Verses
 
          Taslima was a good columnist. I used to be a fan, though i often found her to be a bit too confined to her middle-class concerns on women's issues. I supported her views when she blamed religious beliefs, customs and other superstitions for the plight of women in our society.

           But in 1993, when confronted by the fundamentalists, I was shocked by the way she just chickened out. Her cowardice was visible in her body language (coy looks and min-min voice) and the stupidity of repeating over and over again the same dumb, unexamined Bangla translations of the Qur'an and calling them "religion" was simply stupefying! How can anybody be so scared to lose basic cultural sense, or an idea of what political game was being played? Her narcissism was then as now is too blatant.

             She did more harm to women's ongoing movements in Bangladesh by emboldening the Jamaati factions. Almost every woman activist I've met in the field says so. Today there are more hijabized women in BD than they were in 1993 and Taslima's fiasco in 1993 is partly to blame.

            As an old communalism combatant I can tell you that Taslima is just another rotten piece of wooden chip in the fire of communalism.  I work with a team of communalism combatants and none of us singles out a particular religion and attacks it indiscriminately.  Even the die-hard atheists and religion-haters amongst us has learned (the hard way) not to pick on "religion" as the root cause of communalism despite the fact that religion is the main vehicle of their hate-mongering machine.

            Her novelette 'Lajja' is a badly written account of Hindu persecution in Bangladesh in the sense that its central message is a cowardly whimper (the Hindu hero managing to slap a Muslim street prostitute as his climactic act of protest!). Had Taslima really cared about humanity the message could have been bolder in that novel, and more politically or even artistically meaningful in sensitizing us about the root causes of communalism.

           Just as I, a Muslim, would not go on and on about the flaw in Hinduism regarding its caste system, my Hindu or Christian team-mates are discouraged from talking about 'jehadism' as a part of Islam and as if every ordinary Indian or Bangladeshi Muslim lives by it.
          
             Combating communalism and religious fundamentalism is not as easy as it seems superficially. It is a rough ride and it gets rougher the more deeply you get involved. It requires a thorough knowledge and understanding of our subcontinental history and culture.

             Taslima has done well with her narcissism, and I applaud her. But please do not call her a "champion" on women's issues or a sincere anti-communal activist.  She is a sneaky, manipulative coward, the opposite of 'brave'.

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Dear India Haters and Awami League Lovers,

Any Killing is wrong and prohibited by Universal Declaration of Human Rights, either as punishment or with any intention. Mexican border killings as per police claim are related to drug and violence related to drug. Please see the references of Border Killings in Bangladesh and Mexico below:

Please cool down or drink a little bit more Koolaid to keep you calm and quiet to use your Allah/God/Creator  given or endowed quality, "reason and conscience" or "Ashraful Makhlukat'  as embodied in the Declaration of Universal Human Rights of United Nations Article 1. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a1    , ratified by 195+ sovereign countries of the world, this is the sole quality which differentiate us from living animals- only animals do not use "reason and conscious" living human should, if he does not then he degrades himself to animals, criminals, mentally disabled or what not. So please use your  "reason and conscious" in your all activities, thinking, arguments, talking, writing, emails etc. etc.

Article 1.

  • All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
So many killings happen in Mexican Border but friendship between Mexico and USA has never been to breaking point, The Mexicans, natural resources rich , but  mostly poor because of their bad governments, poor Mexicans cross the border illegally knowing full well that it is illegal and border police may kill most of the time if attempt goes wrong any time. Like our Bangladesh , we are very poor for our bad and corrupted governments. I know the best brain surgeon, it was in Readers' Digest Article,  of Johns Hopkins crossed the border 7 times while he was a teen ager, police put him back 6 times because he surrendered and was  arrested, he used to pick  ripe red tomatoes as a farm worker boy, went to school did very well and became a brain surgeon, now he says pick up red tomato like brain tumour from his patients' brains;  he spends at least 25% of his time and money volunteering and helping other poor kids irrespective of ethnicities to go to school and for their education
Regards.
Yours sincerely,
Golam F. Akhter, Bangladesh-USA Human Rights Coalition Inc.

Reference 1. Bangladesh Border Killings:    http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?ReportId=94399 

"....................Some 347 Bangladeshis and 164 Indians have been killed by Indian forces since 2006, when the Indian government built the wall, according to BSF................................."


Migrant deaths along the Mexico–U.S. border occur hundreds of times a year because of those attempting to cross into the United States from Mexicoillegally.[1] The number of deaths has steadily increased since the mid-1990s with exposure (including heat strokedehydration, and hypothermia) being the leading cause.[2]

According to the United States Border Patrol, 1,954 people died crossing the U.S–Mexico border between the years 1998-2004.[3] In the fiscal year ending September 29, 2004, 460 migrants died crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.[4] In 2005, more than 500 died across the entire U.S.-Mexico border.[5] The number of yearly border crossing deaths has doubled since 1995.[6] In 2009, 417 deaths were reported across the border.[7] Yet the statistics cited by scholars and the media are only the number of known deaths and do not include those who have never been found, underestimating the actual number of migrants that have died attempting unauthorized border crossings.[8]


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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:54 PM, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com> wrote:
Mohiuddin Saheb> Don't worry, pretty soon your Ler-Kay-Lengay-Hindustan Netri
will be in Power. She will put the Indian Maalaaoons in their rightful place and establish
your dream of United Pakistan. I propose a new name for the United Pakistan-RAZAAKARISTAN!  
That way you guys can defend your action by saying, see we did not want Pakistan!
 
SaifDevdas
islam1234@msn.com

From: mohiuddin@netzero.net
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:13:03 +0000
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Subject: Re: Fw: Border Killings !!!
Mr. Manik,
Advisor of Awami League,
 
According to the latest statement from Mr. Ashraf, Secretery Of Awami League, such BSF brutality will continue and we have to live with this tragedy for long time.
Why can't we prevent BSF brutality?
What's the deal ?
Are we weak to defend our border population since our BDR crippled ?
Why BSF can't do similar brutalities against Pakistani border people ?
Can't we fight back ?

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Subject: Fw: Border Killings !!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:46:25 -0800 (PST)



 
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Cc: manik195709@yahoo.com; desh_bondhu@ymail.com; syed.aslam3@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Border Killings !!!

Mr. Anwar,

BSF killed 350 bangladeshis when BNP was in power (2001-2006). Did you protest that time ? Where was your big mouth that time ? Your guru Nizami and Mujahidi were ministers during that time !!!! So, stop your HUKKA HUA with border killing . BSF is killing bangladeshis but you are killing English language in your mails. Try to be literate in this forum .

Sharafat Majumder.




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