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Friday, August 11, 2017

[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: Can Muslims rewrite the Qur'an so it does not promote violence?



But there is huge a difference between... how Christians and Muslims practice their religions. While followers of Christianity  have reformed their holy book and made progress in all possible fronts since Jesus's death, the same can't be said about Quran and its illiterate followers. Muslims think, Quran is basically God' words and hence, they are sticking to this old book as if 7th century is still with us. Ironically, Muslim violence has killed more Muslims and they are now heading towards the prosperous secular Christian countries than to their brotherly oil rich Muslim Arab countries. So, calling Bible more violent than Quran does not justify why Muslims should not choose a peaceful path of practicing religion. Oddly enough that some of these morons are going for even purer version of Islam.... to be closer to the damn God.  

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


Enayet E Rabi shared a link.
7 hrs · 
An analysis into whether the Quran is more violent than the Bible found killing and destruction occur more frequently in the Christian texts than the Islamic. …
Enayet E Rabi shared a link.
7 hrs · 
"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%).



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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: Can Muslims rewrite the Qur'an so it does not promote violence?
 
Ali was butchered by another fellow Muslim right in the mosque premise. There goes the love for the peace! All these Arabs live by the sword and died by the sword. But they have become heroes  for Bangladeshi miskin Momins? Because, they have zero illiterate past? 

2017-08-10 0:36 GMT-04:00 fatima ashrafi <fashrafi@yahoo.com>:
Ranu Bhai and all other respected friends on this forum,

A quote from Hazrat Ali: "The moment you start arguing with an ignorant fool, you have already lost."
 Keep your dignity and do not argue with them or try to correct them. ... Never argue with fools, impudent and insolent people who even dare to insult and demean the words of the Creator in the Holy Quran. Their terrible punishment is waiting and if Allah wishes we may be lucky to witness it.
I love the Holy Quran and may the Almighty grant me the knowledge to understand it better and fully to enrich my life.

Regards,
 
Dr Fatima Ashrafi 



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Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017, 12:17
Subject: {PFC-Friends} Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: Can Muslims rewrite the Qur'an so it does not promote violence?

I don't understand why is the debate about re-writing the Quran. It cannot be done. Period.

Quran never promotes violence. Rather it preaches peace, Islam. Even if there are some injunctions about war or jihad, they are in certain context, and not to be applied at will to suit someone's or group's dangerous agenda. I am totally against what the ISIS, Boko Haram or the likes conduct in the name of Islam or what happened in San Barnadino, or in Orlando or at Artesan Restaurant and at various places in Europe. These incidents bring bad name to Islam, and according to my understanding, Allah reserves the worst Hell Fire for them. 

Someone has rightly pointed out that Quran needs to be interpreted in its true spirit and applied accordingly. I have just finished reading a book titled Muhammad by Martin Lings, which appeared to me the most authentic description of Prophet Muhammand's (SM) life and mission. Earlier, I read another book by same name by Karen Armstrong. But Martin's one is more in detail borne by authentic Arabian sources that were available at that period. The beauty of this book is that the writer has chronologically mentioned the Revelations events by events with justifications. Another thing drew my attention that these writers have portrayed the Prophet as a human being with all its glory and occasional missteps. Therefore, Quran must be understood by the context various Revelations came, some for universal application, some for a particular event. For instance, there were Revelations during the three wars with the Meccans. Only after the Revelation regarding punishing the betrayers during the Trench War, the Prophet sought arbitration chosen by the Jews (betrayers) themselves (the arbitrator adjudicated death). I believe those Revelations were meant for those events only and may not be applied to other events. Anyway, I am not an authority on Quran and my understanding may not be correct. May Allah forgive me. 



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Subject: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: Can Muslims rewrite the Qur'an so it does not promote violence?
 
Hey little Mungro!!

What is truth or lies that you will realise sooner than later when your last breath is imminent. When a person doesn't have the guts to expose to public and fear of Cows, snakes, stones, depth of knowledge is already known to others.

 Razzak A. Syed


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On 10 Aug 2017, at 11:25 am, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

FYI, I am a fan of Halal (earned by justified means) meat whether they are pork, beef or camel ass. As for আল্লাহর বানী, I wonder why only Arabs could jot them them down in Arabic? And many years after Muhammed's death? Sounds like you have been sold to concocted lies by wicked Arabs!

2017-08-09 17:29 GMT-04:00 Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>:
KO,
    Meaning or translation aren't different in any languages, not all the verses requires any interpretation, except few which were revealed at the time of events for guidance to Prophet (SAW). I have mentioned some verses to share with everyone:

1. Any changes in the Quran are forbidden and it's impossible as Allah (SWT) mentioned:


"আপনার পূর্ববর্তী অনেক পয়গম্ বরকে মিথ্যা বলা হয়েছে। তাঁরা  এতে ছবর করেছেন। তাদের কাছে আমা র সাহায্য পৌঁছে পর্যন্ত তারা  নির্যাতিত হয়েছেন। আল্লাহর বানী  কেউ পরিবর্তন করতে পারে না।  আপনার কাছে পয়গম্বরদের কিছু কা হিনী পৌঁছেছে।"

"আমি আপনার প্রতি অবতীর্ণ করেছি  সত্যগ্রন্থ, যা পূর্ববতী গ্রন্ থ সমূহের সত্যায়নকারী এবং সেগু লোর বিষয়বস্তুর রক্ষণাবেক্ষণকা রী। অতএব, আপনি তাদের পারস্পারি ক ব্যাপারাদিতে আল্লাহ যা অবতী র্ণ করেছেন, তদনুযায়ী ফয়সালা  করুন এবং আপনার কাছে যে সৎপথ  এসেছে, তা ছেড়ে তাদের প্রবৃত্তি র অনুসরণ করবেন না। আমি তোমাদে র প্রত্যেককে একটি আইন ও পথ দি য়েছি। যদি আল্লাহ চাইতেন, তবে  তোমাদের সবাইকে এক উম্মত করে  দিতেন, কিন্তু এরূপ করেননি-যাতে  তোমাদেরকে যে ধর্ম দিয়েছেন,  তাতে তোমাদের পরীক্ষা নেন।  অতএব, দৌড়ে কল্যাণকর বিষয়াদি  অর্জন কর। তোমাদের সবাইকে আল্ লাহর কাছে প্রত্যাবর্তন করতে  হবে। অতঃপর তিনি অবহিত করবেন সে  বিষয়, যাতে তোমরা মতবিরোধ  করতে।"

আর আমি আদেশ করছি যে, আপনি তাদে র পারস্পরিক ব্যাপারাদিতে আল্লা হ যা নাযিল করেছেন তদনুযায়ী  ফয়সালা করুন; তাদের প্রবৃত্তির  অনুসরণ করবেন না এবং তাদের থেকে  সতর্ক থাকুন-যেন তারা আপনাকে  এমন কোন নির্দেশ থেকে বিচ্যুত  না করে, যা আল্লাহ আপনার প্রতি  নাযিল করেছেন। অনন্তর যদি তার  মুখ ফিরিয়ে নেয়, তবে জেনে নিন,  আল্লাহ তাদেরকে তাদের গোনাহের  কিছু শাস্তি দিতেই চেয়েছেন। মা নুষের মধ্যে অনেকেই নাফরমান।"

"বরং এটা মহান কোরআন,লওহে মা হফুযে লিপিবদ্ধ।"

2. People like Delder and gang will never be enlightened unless they feel from their heart, Allah (SWT) very clearly mentioned about them as follows:


"তারা কি জাহেলিয়াত আমলের ফয়সালা কামনা করে? আল্লাহ অপেক্ষা বিশ্বাসীদের জন্যে উত্তম ফয়সালাকারী কে?"


  জুয়ার মাধ্যমে তোমাদের পরস্পরের মাঝে শুত্রুতা বিদ্বেষ সঞ্চারিত করে দিতে এবং আল্লাহর স্মরণ নামায থেকে তোমাদেরকে বিরত রাখতে। অতএব, তোমরা এখন কি নিবৃত্ত হবে?"

"যারা বিশ্বাস স্থাপন করেছে এবং সৎকর্ম করেছে, তারা পূর্বে যা ভক্ষণ করেছে, সে জন্য তাদের কোন গোনাহ নেই যখন ভবিষ্যতের জন্যে সংযত হয়েছে, বিশ্বাস স্থাপন করেছে এবং সৎকর্ম সম্পাদন করেছে। এরপর সংযত থাকে এবং বিশ্বাস স্থাপন করে। এরপর সংযত থাকে এবং সৎকর্ম করে। আল্লাহ সৎকর্মীদেরকে ভালবাসেন।"

"বলে দিনঃ অপবিত্র পবিত্র সমান নয়, যদিও অপবিত্রের প্রাচুর্য তোমাকে বিস্মিত করে। অতএব, হে বুদ্ধিমানগণ, আল্লাহকে ভয় কর-যাতে তোমরা মুক্তি পাও।"

3. For Muslims who believe in but have few doubts, for them:

"হে মুমিণগন, এমন কথাবার্তা জিজ্ঞেস করো না, যা তোমাদের কাছে পরিব্যক্ত হলে তোমাদের খারাপ লাগবে। যদি কোরআন অবতরণকালে তোমরা এসব বিষয় জিজ্ঞেস কর, তবে তা তোমাদের জন্যে প্রকাশ করা হবে। অতীত বিষয় আল্লাহ ক্ষমা করেছেন আল্লাহ ক্ষমাশীল, সহনশীল।
এরূপ কথা বার্তা তোমাদের পুর্বে এক সম্প্রদায় জিজ্ঞেস করেছিল। এর পর তারা এসব বিষয়ে অবিশ্বাসী হয়ে গেল।"

"যখন আল্লাহ বললেনঃ হে ঈসা ইবনে মরিয়ম! তুমি কি লোকদেরকে বলে দিয়েছিলে যে, আল্লাহকে ছেড়ে আমাকে আমার মাতাকে উপাস্য সাব্যস্ত কর? ঈসা বলবেন; আপনি পবিত্র! আমার জন্যে শোভা পায় না যে, আমি এমন কথা বলি, যা বলার কোন অধিকার আমার নেই। যদি আমি বলে থাকি, তবে আপনি অবশ্যই পরিজ্ঞাত; আপনি তো আমার মনের কথা জানেন এবং আমি জানি না যা আপনার মনে আছে। নিশ্চয় আপনিই অদৃশ্য বিষয়ে জ্ঞাত।"

"বলে দিনঃ তোমরা পৃথিবীতে পরিভ্রমণ কর, অতপর দেখ, মিথ্যারোপ কারীদের পরিণাম কি হয়েছে?"

"তাদের কেউ কেউ আপনার দিকে কান লাগিয়ে থাকে। আমি তাদের অন্তরের উপর আবরণ রেখে দিয়েছি যাতে একে না বুঝে এবং তাদের কানে বোঝা ভরে দিয়েছি। যদি তারা সব নিদর্শন অবলোকন করে তবুও সেগুলো বিশ্বাস করবে না। এমনকি, তারা যখন আপনার কাছে ঝগড়া করতে আসে, তখন কাফেররা বলেঃ এটি পুর্ববর্তীদের কিচ্ছাকাহিনী বৈ তো নয়।"

4. Mr. Delder doesn't eat Beef, because they worship Cows, how they can justify it? If the is God, then why the Human has to provide food to God? There are number of verses about the worshipping Cows, but there are Muslims becoming vegetarian or not beef eater just to show there brotherhood, what Allah (SWT) mentioned about them:

"হে মুমিনগণ, তোমরা ঐসব সুস্বাদু বস্তু হারাম করো না, যেগুলো আল্লাহ তোমাদের জন্য হালাল করেছেন এবং সীমা অতিক্রম করো না। নিশ্চয় আল্লাহ সীমা অতিক্রমকারীদেরকে পছন্দ করেন না।"



Razzak A. Syed


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On 9 Aug 2017, at 11:02 pm, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

It would matter very little. Can 1500 years' old culture and traditions be changed by mere change of some wording and interpretations? Definitely not! But with rise of more back-clashes coming from others will eventually change Muslim behavior in many infidel countries. Time to grow up or be profiled as pariahs in the society! My choice would be very simple.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:35 PM, 'Khoniker Othithee' via Bangladesh Progressives <bangladesh-progressives@ googlegroups.com> wrote:
An attempt to rewrite the Qur'an will not meet with success. But two things can be done and are already being done.
People can advocate being Quranists. Avoid all the material in the Hadiths. The Hadiths are admittedly not infallible. That whole body of literature can be ignored, but people can still believe in God, pray, give charity, fast during Ramadan, go on Pilgrimage to Mecca. They are still Muslims. But they no longer have a commitment to all the material in the Hadiths.
The Qur'an itself is not going to be rewritten, but it can be reinterpreted. Many younger Muslims can stay Muslims but focus in on the very best verses in the Qur'an and reinterpret the rest. Muslim reformers like Irshad Manji are promoting this reinterpretation very effectively. It is called Ijtihad.
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Anything that a parent cannot discus with  their 12 years old over a dinner table, should discouraged until their 40th birthday; because one cannot be more muslim than prophet himself, if you belief Holy Quran. He was about 40 years old when he accept  Islam, trying to top him in any respect, is like disrespecting him.


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