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Thursday, September 29, 2011

[ALOCHONA] uncizilized gesture in a public place in sydney





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Reodp3jL5Ao&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/user/bivuamin#p/u/1/w1J9XuYzwzQ 

what quality of education these Bangladesh-Australians can offer to 
our children?
Have they learnt basic skill to discuss an important issue?
Some one should tell them that better quality of discussion can be
achieved inside a room, not by standing on a public car park.
 


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[ALOCHONA] FW: Azhar, 239 Jamaat men charged :This is Too Much--editorial asia post



 

 

 

 

Azhar, 239 Jamaat men charged :This is Too Much

Police yesterday pressed charges against Jamaat-e-Islami acting secretary general ATM Azharul Islam and 239 other party men for assaulting police, blocking traffic and creating anarchy in the capital early this month.The investigation officers submitted charge sheets of the two cases to the Chief Metropolitan Magistrate's Court in Dhaka. The cases were filed in connection with the street violence by Jamaat men on September 19.Court sources said the charge sheets will be placed before two courts on October 2 for acceptance.

Several hundred Jamaat workers  clashed with police after  police obstructed a Jamaat rally demanding release of their top leaders who are behind bars on war crimes charges.Police then arrested 261 Jamaat men including Azharul and Tasneem in this connection from steets, from residences and student messes..At least 20 cases were filed, including nine in capital's Ramna and Paltan police stations, accusing several thousand Jamaat leaders and workers of torching and damaging vehicles, destroying public properties and attacking law enforcers.Meanwhile, Azharul, Tasneem and two others yesterday obtained bail in another case filed for torching vehicles and preventing policemen from discharging their duties at Kakrail Crossing on September 20.

This is overdoing by partisan police. Only a few days before hundreds of transports were damaged by Jagannath University students , the police  arrested a few and later released them all. They did not take any body on remand. Before the stock market in Dhaka, every now and then the small investors demonstrate , obstruct traffic and damage transports but police never took any body on remand .In Hartals in the past called by parties, many times transports and properties are damaged, clashes take place between police and strikers but the police never file case against whole party leadership of Awami League or BNP.Why this is being done now?Entire Jamaat leadership who were not present in the place of occurrence, have been accused and chargesheeted.This is unfair to the extreme. We ask the government to be fair in its treatment of a major opposition and Islamic party.

 



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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?



Sorry for 'an religious', it was originally 'an Islamic', then I decided to generalize the term.  Q. Rahman has misinterpreted the events in early Islam.  Prophet sent emissaries demanding conversion and tithes, the Abissynian Emperor agreed to give a hearing but refused the tithes and hence was denied a conversion.  The Byzantines and the Persians rejected the deal right away. No religion is ever revealed.  It comes as necessary modification to the existing society.  Had Islam been sent for all humanity, in spite of over a thousand years of effort, Muslims are about twenty percent of the total world population, that certainly speaks about non almightiness of Allah.  And if Mr. Rahman has any idea of the demography of Islam, he might observe that most Muslims live in an area formerly ruled by Hindus.  The decadence of Hinduism brought about the prominence of  Islam.  Conversion to Islam has saved it from the descendants of Halagu Khan, but it was not encouraged before the Abbasids.  Actually it was discouraged by the Ummayads.

Priesthood is quite powerful in Islam.  If you pray under the guidance of your Imam at the mosque, you get 27 times more sawab.  The list of people you can't criticize also includes the Imam, your local priest.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
Two of three quotes are my original, with an religious mind set, one should voluntarily leave 'muktomona'.  Following the early Greeks, Islam used to believe in the flat earth and geocentric universe.  Priesthood is not absent in Islam.


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM, qar <qrahman@aim.com> wrote:
 

It is written, Islam is exclusively for the people who speak Arabic

>>>>>>>> I am afraid, I am hearing this for the first time. If this was the case why did prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sent people to preach Islam to all corners of the world? In fact religions BEFORE Islam came to specific communities BUT Islam came for ALL of humanities. This is what I understand about Islam. 

Having said that, I am always up for learning new things. Therefore, kindly share the SOURCE of your statement. Where in Islam says it came for Arabs only? Appreciate your earliest attention!!

Religion is nothing more than a conspiracy of the priesthood

>>>>>>>>>> That was the complaint about religions BEFORE Islam ( Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc). Islam does not give much power to priesthood. 

The almighty God has not even revealed the correct structure of the universe to the proponents of religion


>>>>>>>> This is a popular argument about the Bible (OT AND NT). Not about Islam. I would encourage you to be a little more original. Anyone can cut and paste, can you back up your statements (With sources from religious scriptures)? 

Take care!! ;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 
I would like to add that those people who want others to believe that religion is the strongest bond of nationhood has not studied religious literature properly.  It is written, Islam is exclusively for the people who speak ArabicReligion is nothing more than a conspiracy of the priesthood.  They survive and thrive on the tithes extracted from their followers.  The almighty God has not even revealed the correct structure of the universe to the proponents of religion.  One twenty inch telescope revealed more to Galileo than all the angels did to the prophets.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
Nationalism is the last refuge of scoundrels, wrote a savant named Samuel Johnson.


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:48 AM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 
 
Mr Shubimol Chakrabarty, yes, religion is the strongest bond of nationhood  compared to other bonds .Mr Jinnah said that Muslim majority areas should form independent state and Hindu majority areas of subcontinent should form another state and in both states  minorities would remain there with all human rights.
Shah Abdul Hannan

From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of subimal chakrabarty
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:17 AM

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
 
Pretty funny! What kind of statement is this? 
What about the bondage between Muslims and Hindus of Bangladesh? Is it "thin"? Do they belong to "Bangladeshi jati"? 
Do Hindus of West Bengal and Muslims of West Bengal belong to "Indian jati"? Is it "thin" or "thick"? 
I think the purpose of Mr. Hannan's statement is to fish in the troubled waters. He is thinking more in terms of religious divide. This reminds me of Jinnah's Two-Nation Theory. Mr. Hannan seems to be talking in the same line. According to Jinnah all the Indian Hindus constituted one nation and all the Indian Muslims constituted another nation. He forgot about other religious groups.
Pretty funny!  
Mr. Hannan should recognize that religion is only one element (it may even be absent) in the structure of a nation. Hindu majority India and Hindu majority Nepal did not form one nation. All the Christian dominated countries in Europe did not form one nation. 
 
From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?

 
There is no Bangalee Jati as there is no Gujrati jati or Bihari jati or punjabi Jati  Bond of unity of bangla speaking Muslims of Bangladesh and Banglaspeaking Hindus of West bengal is very thin.They belong to Bangladeshi jati or Indian jati respectively. For becoming jati you require much stronger bond.
 
Shah Abdul hannan
 
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:44 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
 
 
I do not know if there is a perfect English translation for the Bengali word "Jati." As a Jati - we are Bangalee, irrespective of our religious affiliations, castes, and creeds. Bangalee-Jati is our secular cultural identity. The Bangalee-Jatiotabad consists of certain secular characteristics, such as, we celebrate Pahela-Boishakh, Bashata-Baran, Ekushe-February (February 21st), etc. etc. with cultural, and ritualistic activities. There are other festivities and practices, which used to be celebrated widely, irrespective of religious affiliations, but now mainly scattered fashion. They are Poush-Sangcranti, celebrated with varieties of Cakes (Pithas), Chaitra-Sangcranti, celebrated with cultural activities and fairs, Maghi-Purnima, etc. etc.  Bangalee-Jatiotabad, being above and beyond our religious characteristics, is the glue that can unite the majority under a true secular platform.
 
Closest English word for 'Jatiotabad' is Nationalism; I know it does not completely express the full meaning of the term Jatiotabad, as we mean. That's where the confusion comes from. Bangalee-Jatiotabad or Bengali-Nationalism is not a state entity. But, state has to allow free exercise of those secular rights and characteristics, and state has to nourish it to flourish. Non-Bangalees have their own secular Jatiotabad, and they should be allowed to exercise them freely also.
 
If I have misconception, please let me know.
 
I appreciate all your comments. Thanks.
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Sat, 9/24/11, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 7:01 PM
 
"-------------and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural."----Dr. Jiten Roy
 
Let us take an example to examine Dr. Roy's comment. Nationality of Indians is Indian which indicates that their nationality is Indian. No problem with that. But which group of people constitutes the majority and what is this majority group's culture? Are these the people in the Hindi belt? Obviously not. Even being an Indian by nationality, a Bengali or an Assamese is a Bengali or an Assamese. Even within the subset of Bengal ( West Bengal ), we cannot force a Gorkha to identify himself as a Bengali. If the Gorkhas are culturally, linguistically, and historically distinct from Bengalis, why should we force them to call themselves Bengalis?  
 
"There is no issue of fairness in nationalism."---Dr. Jiten Roy
 
It will be quite unfair to force a Chakma to call himself a Bengali as this very word reflects language, culture, and history. Politically he is a "citizen of Bangladesh " but culturally a Chakma. The majority has no right to force a Chakma to accept a Bengali's cultural identity. This is not only unfair, this is coercive also.
 
"There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh ."----Dr. Jien Roy
 
I agree. Pakistani regimes tried to redefine Bengalis in East Pakistan as Pakistanis. That was a political game with India . But what is going on now? I would expect some elaboration. Regards.
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
Everybody is missing my point. I am simply asking - what is our cultural identity, not our religious identity or nationality? 
 
Nationality and nationalism are two different things. Nationality is citizenship, and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural. There is no issue of fairness in nationalism. There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh .
 
Jiten Roy --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:29 PM
 
Bangladesh is a political entity, as opposed to a cultural one. May be, Najrul Islam's Bangla Desh and Ravindranath's Sonar Bangla were cultural, and those included more than the political entity of Bangladesh ; they also excluded at least the Chittagong Hill Tracts, which is a part of today's political Bangladesh .
 
Citizenship (nationality) is not cultural. I wish the secular politicians and intellectuals of  Bangladesh did not start this non-sense of Bangalee nationalism in 1971-72. It was wrong to ask the CHT people to call themselves Bangalees. Again, Bangalee nationalism was not really the spirit of all movements during 1947-71, and should not have been unless if we wanted to merge with West Bengal and allowed CHT to secede from us. Fairness, respect and dignity for Bangla and the Bangalees should not be considered the same as Bangalee nationalism. Bangalee nationalism would have demanded a separate nation for the Bangalees, even if the western Pakistanis treated the Bangalees with due respect. Our real spirit was no nationalism; it was fairness, respect and dignity for us.
 
Citizenship for anyone who seeks it? It is not done anywhere in the world. All countries have their laws to govern how a non-citizen would be given citizenship.
 
I would not ask Awami League to revive the so-called Bangalee nationalism (citizenship), rather I would ask them to respect all peoples of the land with respect; much like I would not ask them to call all Bangladeshis Muslims, much like I would not ask all Indians to be known as Hindus, much like I would not desire all cultural, linguistic and ethnic groups of the United States to be called Christians or English.
 
Well, so long for now,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] HAVOC CREATED BY JAMATI'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Dr. Bain's comments tells me that, in my last sarcastic comments, I did not clarify my points enough; hence confusions.
I was looking for a cultural identity for the people of Bangladesh . I explored 3 conventional identities (Bangalee, Bangladeshi, and Moderate Muslim), which have been used in the past to represent the people of Bangladesh . But, none of them seemed to encompass all people. As a result, the identity crisis still remains, and we do not know who we are.
After Bangladesh was born, our cultural identity (Jatiota) was Bangalee, and our nationality was also Banglalee. Ershad changed our nationality to Bangladeshi. The motive was to include all the people of Bangladesh , so he told us at that time. Was it really the motive? If that was true – all non-Bangalee Biharis should have been citizen by now, and Father Tim, the former Principal of Notre Dame College, would have been citizen already. If you say that our nationality is Bangladeshi - then we should grant citizenship to any permanent resident of Bangladesh , if they seek one.
In my view, it was done purposefully to defuse pre-independence secular mindset, and neutralize the Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit, the spirit of independence movement. As you know, Quranic verses and state religion (Islam) were also introduced in the secular constitution right around that time.
Dr. Bain, Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit has been the driving force behind all movements in the East Pakistan since the language movement in 1952. Even though Sheikh Mujib was not seeking independence at the beginning, but his movement was fueled by the Bangali-Jatiotabadi spirit. This is the spirit that still can unite the mjority in Bangladesh . That's why - I have been asking Awami League to revive that spirit for their sake.
 
Thanks for your comments. Love to hear from you. Don't be a stranger.
 
Jiten Roy --- 






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RE: [mukto-mona] Please read this touchy blog post of Dr Puspita--we have to fighy poverty, particularly save the street children




Mr. Mohiuddin Anwar, if you would like to selectively pic apicture or a sad story to depict the whole nation, you are being dishonest. In the USA, we see many poor people eat out of dustbin; panhandling (vikhka is not that uncommon in big cities). Now is that true picture of USA? No offcourse not. One can use that as propaganda just like you and some like you are doing. This article you picked up though may be unfortunately true, it does not reflect the true status of our country. Besides, poverty in our country does not ONLY come when AL comes to power and we all know that. So you are just bogus just like SA Hannan.
-Russel
 

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From: sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:33:46 +0600
Subject: [mukto-mona] Please read this touchy blog post of Dr Puspita--we have to fighy poverty, particularly save the street children

 

http://www.sonarbangladesh.com/blog/puspita/65288
Please read this touchy blog post of  Dr Puspita--we have to fighy poverty, particularly save the street children

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ক্ষুধার কষ্ট অনেক বেশী তাই না আপু? অবশ্যই কষ্টের। মৃত্যুর কষ্টের চেয়েও বেশী। তাই তো তুমি ক্ষুধার কষ্ট সইতে না পেরে চলে গিয়েছ বিধাতার কাছে। কারণ কেউ যে আর এগিয়ে আসেনি তোমার কষ্ট লাঘবে।

সোনাবরু, লিখাটি যখন লিখছি তখন শিল্পী হায়দারের গান শুনছি আর চোখ দিয়ে কেন জানি কান্নার লোনা জল নেমে আসছে।

আমি চিৎকার করে কাঁদিতে চাহিয়া
করিতে পারিনি চিৎকার
বুকের ব্যথা বুকে চাপায়ে নিজেকে দিয়েছি ধিক্কার
কত ব্যথা বুকে চাপালেই তাকে বলি আমি ধৈর্য
নির্মমতা কতদূর হলে জাতি হবে নির্লজ্জ

আপু তুমি কি জান, পদ্মা সেতুর সমীক্ষার কথা বলে কত শত কোটি টাকা লুটপাট করা হয়েছে? ঈদের আগে রাস্তা মেরামত করতে গিয়ে কত টাকা গায়েব করা হয়েছে? তুমি কি জান মন্ত্রী সচিবরা অভিজ্ঞতা অর্জনের কথা বলে বিদেশ ভ্রমনে গিয়ে কত টাকা খরচ করে? কখনো কি শুনেছ, হোটেল শেরাটনে দারিদ্রতা নির্মূলের কৌশল বিষয়ক সেমিনারে কত খরচ হয়? বলতে পার আপু, কতশত কোটি টাকা একেকবার সংসদ অধিবেশনে খরচ হয়? জান তুমি, এভাবে কতদিকে কত বিলিয়ন টাকা অযথা খরচ হয়, লুটপাট হয়? তুমি কি জান এই হাজার কোটি টাকার কিয়দংশ দিয়ে তোমার কত বেলা খাবার ব্যবস্থা করা যেত?

সোনাবরু, কেন তোমাকে আমি প্রশ্ন গুলো করতে গেলাম? তুমি নিজেই তো তোমার মাকে প্রশ্ন করতে, মা, আমরা এত গরিব কেন? সবার বাবা আছে, আমাদের বাবা নেই কেন? ওই প্রশ্নের উত্তর তুমি পাওনি। পাওনি খেতে। তোমার মা চেষ্ঠা করেছিল, কিন্তু অভাবের কারণে পরপর দু'দিন দিতে পারেনি তোমার মুখে আহার। তোমার ছোট্ট শরীর তাই আর পারেনি ক্ষুধার কষ্ট সহ্য করতে। পরীক্ষায় প্রথম হওয়ার আনন্দ সেই কষ্টের কাছে ম্লান হয়ে গিয়েছে। তৈরি হয়েছে সমাজ জীবনের প্রতি এক অভিমান। সেই অভিমানের পর আত্মহত্যা করেই বুঝিয়ে দিয়েছ এই নষ্ট হৃদয়হীন সমাজের প্রতি তোমার ঘৃণা কতবেশী।

এভাবেই হয়তো এই সমাজকে বুঝাতে চেয়েছ কত কষ্টে ছিল তুমি। বুঝাতে চেয়েছ ক্ষুধার কষ্ট মৃত্যুর কষ্টের চেয়েও বেশী। কিন্তু এই নোংরা রাজনীতি, নিষ্টুর সমাজ কি তোমার সেই অভিমান, সেই কষ্ট বুঝার যোগ্যতা রাখে? কেউ কি বুঝার চেষ্ঠা করবে তোমার ভাইয়ের চোখে কিসের জল?

কারণ অসম্ভব নিষ্ঠুর হৃদয়হীন সমাজে জন্মেছ তুমি। এরা সবসময় ব্যস্ত থাকে শুধু নিজেকে নিয়ে, প্রতিপক্ষকে ঘায়েল করে নিজের ক্ষমতার পথ নিষ্কন্টক রাখতে। সেই ক্ষমতার লোভ দম্ভ ভূলিয়ে দিয়েছে তোমার মতো লক্ষ লক্ষ অসহায় শিশুর কথা। লোপ পেয়েছে মানবতা, দায়িত্বশীলতা, আদর্শ, ন্যায়নীতি, নৈতিকতা। প্রতিষ্ঠিত হয়েছে দূর্নীতি, স্বজনপ্রীতি, লুণ্ঠন, অবিচার।

আপুরে, বিধাতা তোমাকে এমন এক দেশে পাঠিয়েছে, যে দেশের প্রধানমন্ত্রী শান্তির জন্য নানা পুরস্কার পায়, জাতিসংঘে গিয়ে বিশ্ব শান্তির ফর্মূলা দেয়, কিন্তু তোমার মতো শিশুর ক্ষুধা লাঘবের জন্য কিছু করতে পারেনা। আরেকবার ক্ষমতায় আসার জন্য কত চিন্তা, কত কিছু করা হয় কিন্তু তোমার কষ্ট নির্মূলের জন্য কিছু করেনা। তাদের লোভের কাছে, স্বার্থপরতার কাছে, নিষ্ঠুরতার কাছে তোমার মতো শিশুর কষ্ট তুচ্ছ হয়ে যায়।

তাই কবি আবদুল হাই সিকদারের মতো ঠিক একই আহবান জানাচ্ছি। আপু পারলে, বিধাতাকে বলিও, প্রভু, বাংলাদেশ আজ আর কোনো মানবিক ভূখণ্ড নয়। ওখানে ১৬ কোটি লোক আছে, কিন্তু মানুষ নেই একজনও। এমন ভুবন রাখার আর কোনো প্রয়োজন আছে কি? কথা বলতে না পারলে অন্ততঃ বলিও, ওই দেশটাকে প্রভু রাজনীতিবিদ এবং বুদ্ধিজীবীদের হাত থেকে রক্ষা কর। আমার মতো আরও লাখ লাখ শিশু ওখানে প্রতিদিন না খেয়ে থাকে। ঘরে ঘরে স্তূপীকৃত হয়ে আছে জমাটবাঁধা কান্না। মানুষের দুঃখের পাশে দাঁড়ানোর কেউ আজ আর নেই ওদেশে। ওখানকার আকাশ-বাতাস ভারী হয়ে আছে পাপে। প্রভু একটা কিছু কর..
 



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