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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Indo-Bangladesh friendship: বন্ধুত্ব, নাকি দানসত্র ?



Asif Nazrul is a renowned idiot.  His talk shows and articles are full of nonsense. 


2013/9/11 Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
 

Why people are so adamant that there is some kind of godly friendship exists between Bangladesh and India? It is an pure illusion that people love to imagine and expect Indians to be our all weather friend forever. This is a symptom of idiocy and Bangladeshis need to grow up beyond this kind of idiotic expectations. The friendship was over right after Bangobandhu's killing and Mr. Zia made it abundantly clear to the Indians. I do not think India considers Bangladesh as a friend. Just wait for BNP to come to the power and watch fireworks in all fronts. It is the national interests that drive the relationship. Bangladesh should treat India as a neighbor and foreign country. There is no free lunch for any country whether you are a foe or friend. 

"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



From: Shahadat Hussaini <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: Indo-Bangladesh friendship: বন্ধুত্ব, নাকি দানসত্র ?

 
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 11:31:22 +0600
Subject: Indo-Bangladesh friendship: বন্ধুত্ব, নাকি দানসত্র ?
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বন্ধুত্ব, নাকি দানসত্র ?

ক্ষমতায় যেকোনো মূল্যে টিকে থাকার জন্য ভারতের সমর্থন অত্যন্ত প্রয়োজনীয় বলে বিবেচিত হতে পারে আওয়ামী লীগ সরকারের কাছে। কিন্তু দেশের সম্পদ আর সম্ভাবনাকে বিঘ্নিত করে একতরফাভাবে ভারতের প্রভাব আর পুঁজির কাছে নতজানু হয়ে থাকলে দেশের জনগণের সমর্থন পাবে না সরকার। আর জনগণের সমর্থন ছাড়া ক্ষমতায় টিকে থাকার চিন্তা আওয়ামী লীগের মতো একটি গণতান্ত্রিক দলের ভেতরে যদি থাকে, তাহলে শেষ পর্যন্ত তা তাদের জন্যই আত্মঘাতী হবে।



http://www.prothom-alo.com/opinion/article/45175/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A7%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AC_%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF_%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0





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Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা




Mr. Anisur Rahman,
 
You have some fundamental flaws in your thoughts. You seem to think that a freedom-fighter has a right to take up justice in his hand, whenever he/she believes someone is taking the country in a wrong direction. That's just plain wrong line of thought.
 
Freedom-Fighter is a person who fought for the independence of the country. Once the country is free, his/her fight has ended. Now, he/she is a veteran freedom-fighter in the free country. His/her activities will be guided by the established laws of the country, just like any other citizen in the country.
 
If someone is acting against the interest of the free country, he/she is a traitor. Who will judge - if someone is a traitor or not? It will be the judicial system, not some veteran freedom-fighters, to make that determination. The patriotic duty of a veteran freedom-fighter would be to bring the traitor(s) to the justice system. A freedom-fighter does not have the impunity to take up laws in hand. This is, obviously, the norm in a civilized country. In Bangladesh, though, we have seen people entrust authority to run the country to proven traitors, who fought against the very independence of the country. Anything can happen in that country; a traitor could become a freedom-fighter, and a freedom-fighter could become a traitor. 
 
Jiten Roy
 


From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা

 
A freedom fighter killing innocent people during liberation war! Well, Mr. Rahman, no real freedom fighter kills innocent people on purpose. If he did that unintentionally, he would not be proud of it, he would certainly regret it later.
 
I will give you this. If a freedom fighter tortured a Paki soldier to a terribly painful death, I would understand that. For, the Paki soldier was likely to have committed the most heinous crimes on innocent people that the freedom fighter loved. But, I would certainly condemn it if a freedom fighter killed a Bihari child or raped a Bihari woman.
 
Mr. Rahman, are you talking about freedom fighters killing innocent people during the liberation war of 1971 to justify the killings of people like the 11 year old Sheikh Russel and the pregnant wife of Sheikh Moni in 1975? If so, please try to bring your mind to the world of decency and civilization.
 
As for Sheikh Mujibur Rahman destroying the country, you must be out of your mind. Mujib loved his country too much to do that. The barbarian cowards who murdered him had no record that could challenge Mujib on loving Bangladesh.
 
I would give you this. Mujib had his flaws on running the country, and on being the strong personality that he should have been. Among his major flaws was his softness toward the war criminals, due to his personal, familial and religious relationships with those criminals.
 
Mujib spent most of his life fighting for the rights of his people (Bangladeshis). If he were taking the country in the wrong direction, anyone would have had the right to start a new political party against his party. Even if BAKSAL were for banning other parties, an underground political movement should have operated for many years before contemplating the murder of Mujib. Isn't it too much of a shame on the people, if they were willing to kill him only four years after voting for him. Mind you, his popularity in toady's land of Bangladesh in 1970-71 probably broke all records in the world. To me, if Mujib deserved to be murdered in 1975, the voters of the 1970 East Pakistan (now Bangladesh)should be considered the world's stupidest people, who gave him an unprecedented mandate.
 
Democracy in Bangladesh is too much of a talk. There is no intra-party democracy in AL or BNP. For the most part, the head of the party dictates the party; they nominate their favorite people, including criminals, for election. Ordinary members have practically no say in who would be nominated from their party.

In any case, the criminals who murdered Mujib and his absolutely innocent family and associates in 1975 are indefensible in my book.

Sukhamaya Bain

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From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Dear Sukhamaya Bain,

It is quite easy to adopt a lofty legal position that no one is above the law and try to apply that legal standard to the blatantly corrupt situation that existed in Bangladesh in 1970s. In a normal, peaceful democratic society, a man committing a murder has, of course, no impunity at all, even if that man happens to be a freedom fighter. That goes without saying.

But consider the situation: that man may have killed many people, including many innocent people, during the course of his freedom fighting only a few years back. He did those activities for the sake of the country and he was acclaimed and honoured for his actions. Now after the liberation, to which he contributed enormously by killing people, if he found someone who was destroying the country which he helped to liberate and killed that anti-state person, was he guilty? He was just applying his patriotic zeal which he nurtured during his freedom fighting period. 

One must not put that freedom fighter in the category of a simple murderer and apply homicidal law verbatim. He did not kill someone for the sake of money or position. He killed a person, an elected leader for that matter who was out to destroy the very foundation of the State, to save the country. Is he not a patriot now, as he was a freedom fighter before?

I am not condoning political murders, far from it. But in a country where democracy is abused regularly then and now, accountability is totally non-existent and corruption is rampant, one should not just apply strict high more code verbatim. If all the elements of democracy would have been followed, then that situation which warranted such drastic step would not have arisen. So try to judge someone within that context, not outside it. That is my point.

Best wishes.

- Anis Rahman 

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013, 10:49
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
(To me, the obvious answer is that once a freedom fighter does not mean no punishment for criminal acts later

>>>>>>>> Fully agree. No one is above the law and no one should be going around killing people with impunity. Recently Shajib Wazed Joy spoke about our culture of impunity and I agree with his statement on state of Bangladesh. Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
The AL MP, Abdul Wadud Dwara, should have been able to respond to the question by the BNP MP, Nilofar Moni, in the talk show. The fact that the AL MP could not provide the obvious response probably just shows how poorly educated the Bangladeshi MPs are. Awami League, being the principal political party, should make serious efforts to recruit academically top-ranking and honest students in the colleges and universities to become future leaders of that party. Unfortunately, there are too many criminals and cronies that are part and parcel of that party now. This must change for a better Bangladesh.
 
(To me, the obvious answer is that once a freedom fighter does not mean no punishment for criminal acts later; and those soldiers had committed the most heinous and condemnable crime when they murdered an elected leader along with his family, including women and children, against whom even those criminals had no allegation other than they being related to Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.)
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 5:53 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Dear Russel,                 I was responding to Delwar Hussain's column in Shaptahik who was reacting to the disgusting suggestion of BNP MP Nilofar Moni at a TV talk-show.  Now read Mir Monaz' s response.Mir Monaz Haque
ইদানিং টিভি টক্ 'শো তে বিরোধী দলের নেতারা অভিযোগ করেন যে, বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা। তাই তাদের কেন রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদায় দাফন করা হয়নি, এই প্রশ্নটি তুলেছেন বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনির দল বিএনপির জাঁহাবাজ এমপি নিলোফার মণি। এই প্রশ্নের তীরটি তিনি আজ ছুড়ে দিয়েছেন টকশো তৃতীয় মাত্রায় অংশগ্রহণকারী প্রতিপক্ষ রাজশাহী অঞ্চল থেকে নির্বাচিত আওয়ামী লীগের এমপি আব্দুল ওয়াদুদ দারাকে। বাংলাদেশে মুক্তিযোদ্ধারা আওয়ামী লীগ দ্বারাই হয়েছেন সবচেয়ে বেশি নিপীড়িত ও নির্যাতিত। তার অন্যতম একটি উদাহরণ হলো বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনিদের রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদা না দেয়া। মণির এই প্রশ্নের জবাব যেমন এমপি দারা দিতে পারেননি তেমনি আমার অনেক অনুজ ভাই বোনদের ও জানা নেই, তাই নতুন প্রজন্মকে বলছি কেউ যদি আপনাদেরকে এই ধরনের প্রশ্ন করে > তখন তাদেরকে ইতিহাস পড়তে বলবেন, ওরা ইতিহাসে দারুন কাঁচা। ফরাসী বিপ্লবের কাহিনী পড়তে বলবেন, কারণ ফরাসী বিপ্লবকেই বলা হয় আধুনিক গণতন্ত্রের পূর্ণ শাসন ব্যবস্থা।রাজা লুই-১৬ কে হত্যা করে যে ফরাসী জাতি বিপ্লবের সুচনা করলো, আর কেন সেই রক্তক্ষয়ী বিপ্লবের পরে আবার সেই বিপ্লবের মূল নায়ক সয়ং রবিসপিয়েকে গিলোতিন এ জীবন দিতে হলো।ষড়যন্ আর সন্ত্রাস এর অভিযোগে দার্শনিক রুসোর আদর্শে আদর্শিত হয়েও ১৭৯৪ সনে (বিপ্লবের ২ বছর পরে) বিপ্লবী রবিসপিয়েকে ফরাসী ন্যাশনাল কনভেনশন ছাড়েনি। তাকেও রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যদায় দাফন করা হয়নি, যারা জাতির সাথে রাষ্ট্রের সাথে বেইমানি করে তাদের রাষ্ট্রীয় ভাবে দাফন হয় না, এটা ইতিহাস আমাদেরকে শেখায়। http://www.shaptahik.com/v2/index.php?DetailsId=8494&Comments=1&e=1

CC: bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:10:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা 
I can hardly find any person from that era who was not a freedom fighter. Even some dogs were fighting the war but I am  not sure who they were killing/targeting?

 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss


From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:38 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Very good, Delwar!  << বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা। তাই তাদের কেন রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদায় দাফন করা হয়নি, এই প্রশ্নটি তুলেছেন বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনির দল বিএনপির জাঁহাবাজ এমপি নিলোফার মণি। এই প্রশ্নের তীরটি তিনি আজ ছুড়ে দিয়েছেন টকশো তৃতীয় মাত্রায় অংশগ্রহণকারী প্রতিপক্ষ রাজশাহী অঞ্চল থেকে নির্বাচিত আওয়ামী লীগের এমপি আব্দুল ওয়াদুদ দারাকে। বাংলাদেশে মুক্তিযোদ্ধারা আওয়ামী লীগ দ্বারাই হয়েছেন সবচেয়ে বেশি নিপীড়িত ও নির্যাতিত। তার অন্যতম একটি উদাহরণ হলো বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনিদের রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদা না দেয়া। মণির এই প্রশ্নের জবাব যেমন এমপি দারা দিতে পারেননি তেমনি আমারও জানা নাই এই প্রশ্নের জবাব কিভাবে দেয়া যায়। >>
 




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> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:02:52 +0600
> Subject: 81% are against abolition of care taker system:
> From: bdmailer@gmail.com
> To:
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> 81% are against abolition of care taker system:
>
> আন্তর্জাতিক খ্যাতিসম্পন্ন জরিপকারী সংস্থা এসি নেইলসনের চলতি বছরের
> এপ্রিলে চালানো এক নির্বাচনী জরিপে বলা হয়, দেশের ৮১ শতাংশ ভোটারই
> তত্ত্বাবধায়ক সরকার ব্যবস্থা বিলুপ্ত করার সিদ্ধান্তের বিরুদ্ধে। এমনকি
> আওয়ামী লীগের ৬২ শতাংশ সমর্থকও এই সিদ্ধান্ত সমর্থন করেন না।
>
> Full Text:
> http://www.rtnn.net//newsdetail/detail/1/1/70087#.UjBl1X9cNic


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[mukto-mona] U.S. Policy Spotlights the Human Right of Religious Freedom




U.S. Policy Spotlights the Human Right of Religious Freedom

By Jane Morse | Staff Writer 16 May 2013


Planet Earth surrounded by religious faith symbols (Robert F. Balazik/Shutterstock)

The United States upholds the human right of religious freedom around the world.

Washington — Among U.S. values, religious freedom is prominent, and it is a human right the United States vigilantly protects at home and spotlights in its foreign policy.

Secretary of State John Kerry, at his confirmation hearing, stated that religious freedom is "at the core of who we [Americans] are. … Carrying the banner of religious tolerance, diversity and pluralism is critical."

Religious liberty is not just an American right protected under the U.S. Constitution, President Obama said early in 2013, "it is a universal human right to be protected here at home and across the globe. This freedom is an essential part of human dignity, and without it our world cannot know lasting peace."

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights recognizes that every person, in every corner of the globe, has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This includes the freedom to change his or her religion or beliefs, and — either alone or in community with others, publicly or privately — to manifest his or her religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Freedom of religion, according to Denis McDonough, deputy national security adviser to President Obama, "is a key ingredient for stable, successful societies and a just world. We know that countries that truly protect religious freedom are more likely to develop and prosper. They're more likely to have stable democracies."

"We know that the lack of religious freedom — or discriminating against people because of their faith — can be a recipe for instability," McDonough said in a speech in September 2012 on U.S. policy and international religious freedom.

"When people of faith are denied the opportunity to worship freely, or assemble in fellowship, grievances fester," McDonough said. "It creates fissures and mistrust between faiths and sects. It fuels sectarianism as people pull back to the perceived safety of their fellow believers. It emboldens extremists. It can increase instability and the likelihood of violence and war. We've seen this throughout history. We've seen it during conflicts in our own time, from Northern Ireland to Lebanon to the Balkans. "

Religious controversy, acknowledged U.S. Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom Suzan Johnson Cook, affects politics in many countries — one reason that the Obama administration has promoted religious freedom as an integral component of U.S. foreign policy.

Constant vigilance is required to protect religious freedom, Cook said in remarks delivered in April at the Catholic University of America.

"I don't believe there is a religion that escapes being attacked in some corner of the globe," said Cook, who travels the world espousing religious freedom. "I have talked with Muslims facing discrimination, Christians unable to openly follow their faith, Buddhists who aren't allowed to practice their beliefs, Jews who encounter societal hatred. No group is immune from attack. That is why we defend everyone's right to believe, or not to believe, according to the dictates of their own conscience. "

The release of the International Religious Freedom Report for 2012 by the U.S. Department of State, scheduled for May 20, represents the continuing commitment of the United States to uphold the human right of religious freedom the world over.

The report, which assesses how governments for some 200 countries protect the religious freedom of their citizens, represents the annual effort by U.S. embassies around the globe to collect information from government officials, religious leaders, nongovernmental organizations, journalists, human rights monitors, religious groups, academics and others.

The report is mandated by the U.S. Congress under the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 and is used by U.S. government agencies to shape policy, conduct diplomacy and inform assistance, training and other resource allocations. The U.S. secretary of state also uses the report to help determine which countries have engaged in or tolerated "particularly severe violations" of religious freedom, otherwise known as "countries of particular concern."

Learn more about religious freedom at the State Department's HumanRights.gov Web page and see the International Religious Freedom Reports.



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