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[mukto-mona] Fw: আমরা হরতাল বুঝি না’




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'আমরা হরতাল বুঝি না'


স্টাফ করেসপন্ডেন্ট
বাংলানিউজটোয়েন্টিফোর.কম
'আমরা হরতাল বুঝি না'
ছবি: মোশারফ/বাংলানিউজটোয়েন্টিফোর.কম
তেজগাঁও এলাকা থেকে: হাতে টিফিন বক্স। কর্মমুখী মানুষের পায়ে দ্রুত গতি। গন্তব্য কারখানা। হরতালের সকালে রাজধানীর তেজগাঁও শিল্প এলাকার বিভিন্ন সড়কে দৃশ্য এটি। এখানে হরতাল প্রভাব সামান্যই।

প্রায় প্রত্যেকটি কারখানার গেট দিয়ে নিত্যদিনের মতো প্রবেশ করছেন শ্রমিকরা। সেখানে নিয়মের কোনো ব্যত্যয় নেই।

হরতাল সব কারখানা বা শ্রমিকদের ছোঁয় না বলেই জানালেন কর্মীরা। তেজগাঁও এলাকার একটি বিস্কুট কারখানা শ্রমিক তানিয়া আক্তার বলেন, "আমরা হরতাল বুঝি না। প্রতিদিনই অফিস করি। হরতালের কারণে কারখানা বন্ধও হয় না।"

তবে অফিসে আসার পথে অনেককে গাড়ি না পাওয়া দুর্ভোগে পড়তে হয়েছে বলে জানান শ্রমিকরা। নিজের অফিসের সামনে সিএনজি অটোরিকশা থেকে নামতে দেখা যায় তালেব, আকরাম, সাথীসহ পাঁচজনকে। তারা জানান, রাস্তায় অন্যান্য দিনের মতো গাড়ি না থাকায় বাধ্য হয়ে অটোরিকশাতে করেই অফিসে আসতে হলো। ভাড়া বেশি হওয়ায় সবাই ভাগাভাগি করে এসেছে।

তবে রাজধানীর গার্মেন্টস শ্রমিকদের জন্য বিশেষ গাড়ির ব্যবস্থা রাখা হয়েছে। 

সকাল থেকেই বিভিন্ন রাস্তায় গার্মেন্টস শ্রমিকদের বহনকারীর বাস দেখা যায়। সময়মত অর্ডার সাপ্লাই করার জন্য এ মালিকপক্ষ থেকে এ ব্যবস্থা নেওয়া হয়েছে বলে জানালেন কর্মীরা। 

এদিকে, শিল্প এলাকাগুলোতে যাতে কোনো নাশকতা না ঘটে এজন্য বিশেষ নজরদারি রেখেছে পুলিশ। বিভিন্ন কারখানার সামনে, মোড়ে মোড়ে পুলিশের সতর্ক টহল দেখা যায়।

এ বিষয়ে তেজগাঁও শিল্পএলাকার এএসআই মোকসেদ আলী বলেন, "আমরা সতর্ক আছি যেন কোনো ধরনের নাশকতা না ঘটে। সামান্য অজুহাতে যাতে কেউ যেন কোন কারখানা বন্ধ করে দেশের অর্থনীতিকে ভয়াবহতার দিকে নিয়ে না যেতে পারে।" শিল্প এলাকায় প্রবেশের মুখেও পুলিশ ব্যাপক তল্লাশি চালাচ্ছে।

বাংলাদেশ সময়: ১০০৭ ঘণ্টা, মার্চ ১২, ২০১৩ 
জেপি/আরআর
http://www.banglanews24.com/detailsnews.php?nssl=4510414325f2f5f0efab6bb8cb10162e&nttl=12032013180914






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[mukto-mona] Fw: ইমরানের দাদা রাজাকার ছিলেন কখনো শুনিনি: তারামন বিবি


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From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
To: mohiuddin@netzero.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:36 AM
Subject: ইমরানের দাদা রাজাকার ছিলেন কখনো শুনিনি: তারামন বিবি

Mr. Mohiuddin Anwar
In your false propaganda you have said: 
                 "Dr. Imran's grandfather was great Razakar ........
                  If my findiung is wrong please correct it with evidence...."

Read below the testimony by Bir Muktijuddha Taramon Bibi.
She is definitely more credible that you or your source.

Please read the news item below and stop spreading false
propaganda.

Thanks for your patience !!!!!

Syed Aslam


ইমরানের দাদা রাজাকার ছিলেন কখনো শুনিনি: তারামন বিবি
নিজস্ব প্রতিবেদক, কুড়িগ্রাম | তারিখ: ০৫-০৩-২০১৩
যাত্রাবাড়ীতে গণজাগরণ মঞ্চের পঞ্চম সমাবেশে বক্তব্য রাখছেন ইমরান এইচ সরকার (মাঝে)। এবারও একটাই দা
যাত্রাবাড়ীতে গণজাগরণ মঞ্চের পঞ্চম সমাবেশে বক্তব্য রাখছেন ইমরান এইচ সরকার (মাঝে)। এবারও একটাই দাবি, মানবতাবিরোধী অপরাধীদের সর্বোচ্চ শাস্তি আর আইন করে জামায়াত-শিবির নিষিদ্ধ করা। সঙ্গে রয়েছেন সতীর্থরা।
ছবি: ফোকাস বাংলা।
শাহবাগের গণজাগরণ মঞ্চের আন্দোলনকারী ব্লগার অ্যান্ড অনলাইন অ্যাকটিভিস্ট নেটওয়ার্কের আহ্বায়ক ইমরান এইচ সরকারের পরিবার ও তাঁর দাদা খয়ের উদ্দিন সরকার রাজাকার ছিলেন, এমন খবরের তীব্র প্রতিবাদ এবং এতে ক্ষোভ জানিয়েছেন কুড়িগ্রামের রাজিবপুর উপজেলার মানুষ। 
আজ মঙ্গলবার কুড়িগ্রামের জাগরণ মঞ্চ থেকে এ খবরের তীব্র নিন্দা জানানো হয়। রাজিবপুরের মুক্তিযোদ্ধা তারামন বিবি বীর প্রতীক বলেন, 'খয়ের উদ্দিন রাজাকার ছিলেন, এমন কথা কখনো শুনিনি। শুনেছি তিনি হাজি মানুষ ছিলেন। একজন ভালো মানুষ ছিলেন।'
জেলা মুক্তিযোদ্ধা ইউনিট কমান্ডর সিরাজুল ইসলাম বলেন, ইমরান এইচ সরকারের বাবা প্রবীণ সাংবাদিক মতিউর রহমান মুক্তিযুদ্ধের সপক্ষের মুক্ত চিন্তার একজন সৎ মানুষ হিসেবে এলাকাবাসীর কাছে পরিচিত। কুড়িগ্রাম জেলার রাজীবপুর উপজেলার বালিয়ামারী গ্রামে তাঁদের বাড়ি। তাঁর দাদা রাজাকার ছিলেন না। প্রকৃত ধার্মিক ছিলেন। রাজীবপুর উপজেলা মুক্তিযোদ্ধা কমান্ডার আবদুল হাই সরকার বলেন, যুদ্ধকালীন রাজীবপুর উপজেলা মুক্তাঞ্চল হিসেবে পরিচিত ছিল। কোদালকাটি এলাকায় এক দিন মাত্র পাকিস্তানের সেনাবাহিনীর সঙ্গে সম্মুখযুদ্ধ হয়েছিল। ব্রহ্মপুত্র নদবেষ্টিত এ অঞ্চলে পাকিস্তানের সেনা আসার সাহস পায়নি কখনো। আজ মঙ্গলবার মুক্তিযোদ্ধা আবদুল হাই সরকার কুড়িগ্রামের প্রতিনিধির কাছে এসব কথা বলেন। 
রাজীবপুর উপজেলা পরিষদের চেয়ারম্যান আকবর হোসেন বলেন, 'ইমরান এইচ সরকারের বালিয়ামারী গ্রামের বাড়ি আমার বাড়ির পাশে। ছোটবেলা থেকে তাঁরা আমাদের পরিচিত। ইমরানের দাদা খয়ের উদ্দিন একজন সৎ মানুষ ছিলেন। তিনি মুক্তিযুদ্ধের সময়ে সংগঠক হিসেবে কাজ করেছিলেন।' তিনি আরও বলেন, তাঁদের এলাকাটি মুক্তাঙ্গন হওয়ায় সেখানে কোনো রাজাকার ছিল না। মহোনগঞ্জ এলাকায় আবদুল কাদের ও চর রাজীবপুর এলাকায় আবদুল আজিজ নামে দুজন রাজাকার ছিল। মুক্তিযোদ্ধাদের ভয়ে তারা প্রতিদিন রাজীবপুর মুক্তিযোদ্ধা ক্যাম্পে হাজিরা দিত।
চিলমারী উপজেলা পরিষদের চেয়ারম্যান শওকত আলী সরকার বীর বিক্রম জানান, রাজীবপুর উপজেলায় কখনো পাকিস্তানের সেনাবাহিনী যায়নি। ওই এলাকাটিতে কোনো শান্তি কমিটি ছিল না বলে তিনি জানান। ইমরান এইচ সরকারের বাবা মুক্তিযুদ্ধের চেতনার মানুষ ছিলেন বলে তিনি জানান।
ইমরান এইচ সরকারের বাবা মতিউর রহমান বলেন, 'আমাকে, আমার বাবা খয়ের উদ্দিন সরকার এবং আমার পরিবারকে নিয়ে মিথ্যা কুত্সা রটাচ্ছে একটি মহল আমি কোনো দিনও মুসলিম লীগ করতাম না। আমার বাবাও মুসলিম লীগের সদস্য ছিলেন না। আমরা একেবারেই সাধারণ মানুষ এবং মুক্তিযুদ্ধের পক্ষের মানুষ। মুক্তিযুদ্ধের পক্ষের মানুষ হওয়া যদি অপরাধ হয়, তার জন্য যেকোনো শাস্তি মেনে নিতে প্রস্তুত আছি।'
http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2013-03-05/news/334172


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From: SyedAslam <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:51 AM
Subject: My son would not return home without victory - Imran Sarkar's Father Matiur rahman .....


Mr. Mohiuddin Anwar

What difference does that make, if some one's grandfather was a Razakar? GUILT BY RELATIONSHIP???

In any case your statement "Dr. Imran's grandfather was great Razakar ...." is out and out a false propaganda ..... Show some authentic documentary 
evidence.  
FYI, Bir Muktijuddha Taramon Bibi, who is from the same area, asserted
to the contary by saying that she has never heard about that.

Accoding to Bongobir Kader Siddiqui's definition anyone  who
was in government service in 1971 was a Razaker .... with this definition
your father was also a Razakar, since he was in the service of Tikka Khan's government in 1971.. Do you deny that ????

Do you call yourself "Razakerer pola" ???

It may be mentioned here that BNP stalwart M.K. Anwar was the greatest
crony of infamous Monaem Khan during late sixties and was a top policy maker bureaucrat in the Tikka Khan's government in 1971 ... How come you guys do not call him a Razakar .... ????

Interestingly enough, Mirza Faqrul Islam's father Mirza Ruhul Amin 
(Chokha Mia) was in Thakurgaon Shanti Committee, he can,  essentially
be called a Razakar too .... Mirza Faqrul Islam didn't actively joined 
Muktijuddho, although he was an able bodied youngman in 1971 ....Mirza 
Faqrul was in Biplobi Chattro Union during his Dhaka University day's 
under the leadership Mahboobullah that advocated Maobadi Biplob under 
one party rule [similar to Chinese Communist Party ...]  What do you think about that ?

Regarding Bakshal, General Zia not only joined voluntarily but congratulated those who joined Bakshal !!!!

kvnev‡M Rq-evsjvi Rq n‡eB!!!!!!!


sent by:
Syed Aslam

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.com> wrote:
Dr. Imran's grandfather was great Razakar, Please read the story published recently. Imran himself is leader of pro Awami Doctor's forum. He is well known Baksali.
He has been Baksalized long before and no longer should be treated as an independent political activist. In Bangla he is rRzakarer Nati.
If my findiung is wrong please correct it with evidence.
Please note: message attached

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To: Khobor <khabor@yahoogroups.com>,  notun Bangladesh <notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, chottala@yahoogroups.com
Subject: My son would not return home without victory : Imran Sarkar's Father Matiur rahman .....
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:19:30 -0400
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:19:30 -0400
Subject: My son would not return home without victory : Imran Sarkar's Father Matiur rahman .....



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[mukto-mona] ‘Politics will clean up’ - Imran Sarkar [‘Ganajagaran Mancha’ Spokesperson]



'Politics will clean up'

The people's uprising that started at Shahbagh for maximum penalty of war criminals will ultimately cleanse the political culture of Bangladesh, the organisers of 'Ganajagaran Mancha' believe.

The movement that began on Feb 5 has been campaigning for banning Jamaat-e-Islami, a political outfit that had tried to thwart the nation's freedom strggle in 1971 with the West Pakistani junta. Thousands of people from all classes of society have expressed solidarity with the unusual protest reinforcing its call for executions for war crimes.

'Ganajagaran Mancha' Spokesperson and Convener of Blogger and Online Activists Network, Imrar H Sarkar has shared insights of the people's movement in an interview with bdnews24.com.

This association of bloggers was the first to put their foot down in Shahbagh and demand death to convicted war criminal and Jamaat-e-Islami's Assistant Secretary General Abdul Quader Molla after he was sentenced to life on Feb 5. It sparked off a wave of anger and frustration, drawing people to Shahbagh and 'Ganajagaran Mancha' replicas nationwide to form mass protests continuing to date.

bdnews24.com: What drove you to take to the streets despite not being involved with any political outfits?

Imran Sarkar: It's not exactly like that, we came together all on a sudden. For 10 years we have been active against the war criminals. We were in the streets against the activities of Jamaat and Shibir. We took to the streets before to bring home war criminal Tridib Roy's mortal remains (from Pakistan) and also against the pressure the Turkish government had put to stop war crimes trial. Almost 20 student and social organisations were with us at that time. We had also opposed Bangladesh cricket team's planned tour to Pakistan. So it can be said that this movement did not spring out of nowhere.

bdnews24.com: Tell us about how it all started.

Imran Sarkar: We were optimistic on the day of Abdul Quader Molla's verdict, hoping he would be adequately punished. But we could not help but protest when he was awarded life sentence even after being convicted of killing 344 people. We communicated our message online and gathered in Shahbagh.

bdnews24.com: Did you think you would be able to get this far?

Imran Sarkar: Our mental state at the time did not allow us to think of coming this far. We felt that there should be protest. We did not think so many people will be on our side.

bdnews24.com: Hundreds of thousands of people have expressed their solidarity. What do you think about this?

Imran Sarkar:
 I believe everybody had nurtured this ideal and kept it alive. All it needed was a platform. This movement has provided them with a (solid) ground. A vital reason for this is the movement's non-partisan character.

bdnews24.com:
 Did you need to create a banner or platform for leding the protest over the last one month?

Imran Sarkar: There is no committee to direct the movement. All organisations assembled here make a decision. Our banner is 'Ganajagaran Mancha'.

bdnews24.com: Many have questioned the acceptability of the movement because of the participation of ruling party's student wing. What will be your response to that?

Imran Sarkar: Our main demand is maximum penalty to all war criminals and a ban on Jamaat-e-Islami's politics. Those who believe in this have joined us.

bdnews24.com: Most of the protesters are young and did not witness the Liberation War in 1971. What do you believe has driven them to be still so active?

Imran Sarkar: The revolutionary trend in using the Internet over the last 10 years in Bangladesh has widened the space for youths to become more conscious and aware about their own history. They have become politically conscious. They have learned about those who had opposed the nation's independence. The knowledge of the genocide, rapes and loots from 1971 evoked a deep hatred in the minds of youths against the perpetrators, and we are witnessing its outburst in this movement.

bdnews24.com: Blog entries by slain blogger Ahmed Rajib Haider had raised some issues after his killing. What are your thoughts on that matter?

Imran Sarkar:
 Rajib was our companion in the cause. He was with us during all the programmes. He was killed three days after provocative comments were posted in a blog belonging to Jamaat and Shibir. After his death, daily Amar Desh, a publication that has been actively siding with the war criminals, released a baseless report on him. A fake blog was created in his name to highlight anti-religious thoughts. Basically, it was a conspiracy, which has now been established as a fact.

bdnews24.com: How extensively do you think you were able to unite those against Jamaat-e-Islami and its student affiliate Islami Chhatra Shibir?

Imran Sarkar: If you notice, you will realise that this political outfit of war criminals always resorts to mass killings whenever their existence is under threat. Recently, they committed atrocities under the cover of enforcing shutdowns. But now people have the courage to resist them. Common people have resisted their acts in parts of the country. People will unite more, with the expansion of our movement.

bdnews24.com: What is the future of this movement?

Imran Sarkar:
 Everyone is aware of our six-point charter of demands. Once these are met, we are thinking of launching a cultural movement, which will aim to spread the spirit of the Liberation War to every nook and cranny of Bangladesh. This will help us clean up our politics.

bdnews24.com: What is the reason behind the non-violent approach of this movement?

Imran Sarkar: We believe (the method of) creating social values needs to be non-violent. The nation should come out of the trend of violence.

bdnews24.com: So, what comes next?

Imran Sarkar: For now, the movement's calendar has been fixed until Mar 8. After that we will hold rallies in the divisional cities. We will move to the districts from there. The sit-in will continue at its centre, Shahbagh. Our efforts are set to spread the people's uprising to every part of the country.

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[mukto-mona] My son would not return home without victory - Imran Sarkar's Father Matiur rahman .....



Mr. Mohiuddin Anwar

What difference does that make, if some one's grandfather was a Razakar? GUILT BY RELATIONSHIP???

In any case your statement "Dr. Imran's grandfather was great Razakar ...." is out and out a false propaganda ..... Show some authentic documentary 
evidence.  
FYI, Bir Muktijuddha Taramon Bibi, who is from the same area, asserted
to the contary by saying that she has never heard about that.

Accoding to Bongobir Kader Siddiqui's definition anyone  who
was in government service in 1971 was a Razaker .... with this definition
your father was also a Razakar, since he was in the service of Tikka Khan's government in 1971.. Do you deny that ????

Do you call yourself "Razakerer pola" ???

It may be mentioned here that BNP stalwart M.K. Anwar was the greatest
crony of infamous Monaem Khan during late sixties and was a top policy maker bureaucrat in the Tikka Khan's government in 1971 ... How come you guys do not call him a Razakar .... ????

Interestingly enough, Mirza Faqrul Islam's father Mirza Ruhul Amin 
(Chokha Mia) was in Thakurgaon Shanti Committee, he can,  essentially
be called a Razakar too .... Mirza Faqrul Islam didn't actively joined 
Muktijuddho, although he was an able bodied youngman in 1971 ....Mirza 
Faqrul was in Biplobi Chattro Union during his Dhaka University day's 
under the leadership Mahboobullah that advocated Maobadi Biplob under 
one party rule [similar to Chinese Communist Party ...]  What do you think about that ?

Regarding Bakshal, General Zia not only joined voluntarily but congratulated those who joined Bakshal !!!!

kvnev‡M Rq-evsjvi Rq n‡eB!!!!!!!


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Syed Aslam

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.com> wrote:
Dr. Imran's grandfather was great Razakar, Please read the story published recently. Imran himself is leader of pro Awami Doctor's forum. He is well known Baksali.
He has been Baksalized long before and no longer should be treated as an independent political activist. In Bangla he is rRzakarer Nati.
If my findiung is wrong please correct it with evidence.
Please note: message attached

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে



Taposh
I liked your philosophical comment.
Yes, I have presented a few cold facts. But my main appeal is as follows:
We live in a multi-religious society. Religion should be totally personal matter. The principle of the "Separation of Church and State" is absolute necessity. No religious tag to any thing---neither constitution nor economic system nor legal system. Secularism as a state principle should be in the sense that Mujib once mentioned: Secularism is not irreligiousness. This however must not mean that atheists, agnostics, and skeptics have to be persecuted. The last sentence is mine and I am sure Mujib had no problem with these groups of people as is evident from the good terms he was in with such people. He was broadminded.
Unfortunately the situation is quite different now. For example, the organizers of the Shahbag movement are being branded as atheists. Many of these organizers are trying to prove publicly that they are believers. One organizer, however, claimed himself to be a believer and yet clearly said that in Shahbag movement the question of one's religious belief should not arise at all. This question did not arise during 1971 liberation movement.
Taposh, it is a very bad sign for the country. I wonder if we are heading for a severe form of blasphemy law. Looks like freedom of speech is fading away.    
  
From: Taposh Gayen <Poetic_gaze@yahoo.com>
To: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>; "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে
 
Subimalda,
 
Please do not tell so much cold truth at the same time. It will be hard for me to digest. *:) happyEven God shows Himself or Herself  a little bit at a time! We will not be able to see whole of His or Her glory at the same time. TG

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে
1. By saying that "primarily by ISI and initially backed by America. We know how that worked out", you have avoided answering my questions.
2. You have love for what is happening in Malaysia, Turkey, and Egypt. What is your opinion about the US (probably your adopted country) and Bangladesh (your motherland) (1972) constitutions? Don't you think that they are better than or at least as good as those of Malayasia, Turkey, and Egypt? Why can't you accept the principle of "separation of church and state"? I don't understand how you prefer, for example, the Muslim Brotherhood (primarily for the Sunni) to the secular rules which theoretically provide equal rights to all citizens. Admittedly even a secular constitution is not perfect. Why can't we build on what we have in such constitutions? Medina Charter happened 1500 hundred years ago. Since then we have advanced and more progressive thoughts. Abolition of slavery and expanded women's rights are two of them. Whatever is good in Medina Charter, I am sure, has been captured in the great constitutions of the world. Why do we have to stick to only the Medina Charter exclusively?
3. This is a time to strongly specifically condemn Jamat-Shibir's heinous activities which you seem to be unwiling to do. This is also the time to criticize BNP for its present role with respect to trial of the war criminals and its position on Jamat-Shibir's heinous activities. One will not do it only if he or she is allied with Jamat-BNP politics. You need to understand that this is a serious moment and it has great implications for our great spirits of the liberation war.
4. I feel good when you say, "However if you want to speak about Jamaat, I do understand where you are coming from." Yes, I come from the big forum which believes in the great spirits (secularism is one of them) of 1971 liberation struggle. Are you coming from a different place? Do you endorse Jamat's anti-Ahmadiya stance?
5. You are confusing between an Islamic rule and a Muslim rule. An Islamic rule is essentially biased against the religious minorities. Mujib was a Muslim ruler but he believed in the four state principles until the notorious 4th Amendment. Pakistan, an Islamic Republic, cannot have a non-Muslim President. Pakistan has declared Ahmadiyas non-Muslims. Muslim Brotherhood cannot have a woman President.
6. If you read holy books critically, you will see that many of the teachings have to be reinterpreted in the light of the present context. 
7.  It is not only Bush who took the nation to war. Brilliant presidents also have done the same thing. This is a different issue and cannot be used as an excuse to undermine the US constitution which is not yet perfect and that's why which is still evolving hopefully for the better. Is not your favorite Turkey messing up with the Kurds? Take the example from Bangladesh also. What has Zia done with the CHT people? 
8. Islamic rule is fundamentally flawed as it is not secular and cannot guarantee equal rights to all the citizens including women and probably non-Sunni sects. Only one with religious ego can feel good with the tag "Islamic" in the constitution, banking, and legal systems.     

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে
 
Doesn't Mollah Omar believe in what he  is doing? Didn't bin Laden believe in what he was doing? Were they merely the robots programmed by ISI or America? 

>>>>>>>>> Primarily by ISI and initially backed by America. We know how that worked out.

If you don't mind I will ask you to mention them one more time. How would the finish goods look like? >>>>>>>>>> I said Malaysia, Turkey and Egypt are work in progress. Finished goods should reflect the spirit of Media, which was the first multi-faith society with codified rights for minority citizens. We have discussed this before and briefly here the state assumes responsibility of safety and security of all minorities.

We have discussed this topic before. You can read books on the "Medina charter".
Yes, all political parties including AL can be violent. >>>>>>>>>>> In fact in previous years, all major parties have proven to be violent. Does it mean that we should shy away from specifically calling Jamat a fascist party? I don't think so. >>>>>>>>> Brother, you are welcome to speak your mind anytime. I welcome it. I also try to shed some light into these topics time to time. If you know all parties have violent activities, it is only "Proper" to say so. However if you want to speak about Jamaat, I do understand where you are coming from. Khaleda has turned BNP into Jamat's puppet. >>>>>>>>> You can say that. There are a lot of people who would readily agree with that. It is interesting that, Jamaat once proclaimed that, there are against female "Head of state" but they ended up allied with BOTH BAL and BNP whenever it suited them. The latter is essentially divisive in a multi-religious country. It cannot but be biased against the religious minorities. Aurangzeb turned to Islam only to weaken the great Mughal empire. >>>>>>>>> I respectfully disagree. History tells us that, Islam was used positively and it gave birth to earliest pluralistic communities in many places. Click here to watch a PBS documentary on this topic. A theocracy is run by representatives of God and they follow the divine authorities >>>>>>>>>>> That is NOT the case of Turkey, Egypt or Malaysia. Even other countries are "Electing" Islamic parties to power. Maybe you are thinking of Catholic church, Japanese Royal family or Iran (Which has part of the leadership by election and part by selection). They follow rules and laws rooted in holy and revealed scriptures. Because of all these, a theocracy is flawless and infallible. >>>>>>>>>> I can only speak of Islamic concept and I am yet to see any "Problem" in Islamic text itself. However if you don't have the right people, they are screw things up pretty easily. Even in a mature democracy like the US, you folks elected a world class idiot like George Bush TWICE, who took the nation to war by "Mistake" and worked as a catalyst of a world wide recession. He also curbed many civil rights for American citizens. So Islamic rule is not much different. When you have dumb asses for rulers, they can ruin a country in a hurry.

And I understand you have preference for "Secular" system and I have no problem respecting you for it. Personally I feel, the "Right theocracy" can positively enhance the secular concept and address needs of people.

Just look at the world wide banking industry scandals. Only Islamic banking offered a credible and workable alternative to current "Interest based" model. You can do your own research on this. Money always talks and BS walks.....  
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Shalom!
-----Original Message-----
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে

 
Doesn't Mollah Omar believe in what he  is doing? Didn't bin Laden believe in what he was doing? Were they merely the robots programmed by ISI or America? 

I missed your examples of work-in-progress countries. If you don't mind I will ask you to mention them one more time. How would the finish goods look like? Would you kindly shed some light on it? 

Yes, all political parties including AL can be violent. Does it mean that we should shy away from specifically calling Jamat a fascist party? I don't think so. This is the political blunder of BNP. I don't know if the nation will remember this. BNP has a lot of freedom fighters who have been marginalized and made voiceless by the dictatorial power of Khaleda Zia who does not seem to understand and appreciate the significance of the great spirits of our liberation movement. BNP is in wrong hands. Khaleda has turned BNP into Jamat's puppet. 

Islamic rule and Muslim rule are not synonymous. A Muslim ruler can be secular but an Islamic ruler cannot. The latter is essentially divisive in a multi-religious country. It cannot but be biased against the religious minorities. Aurangzeb turned to Islam only to weaken the great Mughal empire. 

If I were you I would not have measured theocracy and other forms government on the same scale. A theocracy is run by representatives of God and they follow the divine authorities. They follow rules and laws rooted in holy and revealed scriptures. Because of all these, a theocracy is flawless and infallible. The other forms of government are run by a whole bunch of humans who bring with them their human limitations. I have said all this because you have high regard for theocracy. 
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 4:58 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 
I was only trying to offer an explanation from "Islamic perspective". Since some of the members are not aware of some information. If you feel strongly about secular system, I respect your opinion.

I count myself as a true "Mukto-Mona", so I have no attachments with any political parties. In this forum, I made in abundantly clear, I am against ALL sort of "Violent politics". Unfortunately all major political parties have "Violent people" among them and frequently they are "Used" by their respective parties. I think we have to go beyond name calling and take legal and solid measures to stand up against violence. Unfortunately our highly educated members in this forum (Most of them) are UNABLE to get out of their party affiliation and think FREELY.


Mullah Omar was no a tool used by ISI. Don't think they had "Promotion of Islam" in their hearts!! I have given you some SPECIFIC examples of countries which I called "Work in progress". NO matter what system we prefer, we have to honor democratic system (So power always stays to common people).


Islam have shown the world how to live in a mufti-religious country. So we have hundreds of years of experience to fall back into. One member recently said, even in India, religion was NOT imposed by Muslim rulers.



5. I have mentioned the period of Khulafa-e-Rashedeen as one of the best periods in Islamic history. My point was that even this period, although run under the complete guidance of God, could not guarantee a system free from power struggle.   
 


>>>>>>>>>>>> There are NO system, where you don't find "Power struggle". Don't know why this simple fact escaped your imagination. :-)


Shalom!


-----Original Message----- From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:35 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে
 
1. Nobody will say that people enjoyed less religious freedom during the time when one of the state principles was secularism. Introduction of religious flavor in the constitution by Zia and Ershad was obviously for political purpose. People in general don't care. It is the political elements (they may not have any personal political ambition) who try to convince them about the necessity of mingling religion with politics, legal system, and socio-economic system. The so called educated people should stop doing this. They do not realize that knowingly or unknowingly they are simply encouraging Jamat kind of politics only to divide the country. 
 
2. I really wonder why you do not consider Jamat as a fascist force. Look at its history. Particularly reflect on the anti-Ahmadiya riot it incited. Look at its present activities. Look at its attitudes towards our independence.   
 
3. Work-in-progress! Was Afghanistan under Mollah Omar not a finished good? Or was it still a work-in-progress? Can you please mention some countries that can be called works-in-progress? I am curious.
 
4. The modern world is multi-religious. Any particular religion must not get priority. If Manu, for example, has any thing good in it, it will obviously have respectable place in the legal system or constitution. It does not need to be specifically mentioned. The constitution and legal system of any modern secular state are the best that one society can have. It has evolved over time. And it is still evolving. It has captured every thing good in the various religious, social, legal, and political systems from the past. Take a particular religion of your choice and compare it with, for example, 1972 constitution of Bangladesh. Do you really need any thing different from the 1972 constitution except the fact that it can still be improved? 
 
5. I have mentioned the period of Khulafa-e-Rashedeen as one of the best periods in Islamic history. My point was that even this period, although run under the complete guidance of God, could not guarantee a system free from power struggle.    
 
 
 

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; history_islam@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে
 

1. The concept of "complete code of life" stretched beyond personal religious life is nothing but a political slogan by those who want to capture the state power.


>>>>>>>>>>>> Partly true. There are millions of people around the world believes in it without having any political ambitions.


but those who use religion to capture power absolutely are. These people are divisive.


>>>>>>>>> I agree. Religion should NOT be "Abused" as a tool to get to power.

However since Islam offers a complete solution, it can be offered as an alternative to whatever other choices people may have. Therefore, we should NOT be banning any system from "Free people", rather allow people to pick the best system of their choice.

This is the situation in Egypt and Turkey today. Both place have Islamic parties came to power via pure democratic process and if they FAIL to deliver, people will retain the power to revert back to a better system for themselves.
Jamat is a prime example. It is not possible for them to offer a peaceful and cooperative pluralistic society. They have other vices too.



>>>>>>>>>> This is a popular perception of Jamaat and unless they work hard to change this, they will have VERY hard time to be accepted to common people.

The era of Khulafa-e-Rashedeen ( or Kingdom of Ashoka to take as another example) may be an exception although that period was also not free from internal conflicts.


>>>>>>>>>>> Having a theocratic state is NOT an utopia but assuming there are some system which will ALWAYS remain "Conflict-free" is an utopia/pipe-dream. Even the best among us always had some opposition or some groups who actively opposed them.


You can think of Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi, Jesus son of Mary (PBUH), Muhammad Bin Abdullah (PBUH), Hazrat Ali (RA) etc. Even Rabindranath had quite a few serious critics during his time. Therefore, even the best countries of the our world have to have police, army, courts etc to punish bad people and preserve peace for rest of us.



You will probably never aspire to live in an Islamic theocratic state like Talibani Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or even Iran (don't take this personally as this applies to anybody who believes and loves theocracy.) You will probably prefer your kid being in Harvard to being in a world renowned madrasah. 

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