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[mukto-mona] জিয়াই কি তালপট্টি দান করে গেছেন, প্রশ্ন জয়ের !!!!




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জিয়াই কি তালপট্টি দান করে গেছেন, প্রশ্ন জয়ের

জ্যেষ্ঠ প্রতিবেদক,  বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম
Published: 2014-07-11 19:30:55.0 BdST Updated: 2014-07-12 00:48:41.0 BdST
দক্ষিণ তালপট্টি নিয়ে বিএনপি নেতাদের বক্তব্য প্রত্যাখ্যান করে তাদের বঙ্গোপসাগরের ওই অংশ থেকে ঘুরে আসার পরামর্শ দিয়েছেন প্রধানমন্ত্রী শেখ হাসিনার তথ্য-প্রযুক্তি উপদেষ্টা সজীব ওয়াজেদ জয়।



সাবেক রাষ্ট্রপতি জিয়াউর রহমানই দক্ষিণ তালপট্টি দ্বীপ ভারতকে দিয়ে গিয়েছিলেন কি না- সে প্রশ্নও তুলেছেন তিনি।
শুক্রবার রাজধানীর একটি হোটেলে 'মুক্তিযুদ্ধের চেতনার আলোকে গণতন্ত্র ও ভবিষ্যত বাংলাদেশ' শীর্ষক এক সেমিনারে প্রধান বক্তা হিসাবে বক্তব্য দেন জয়।
তিনি বলেন, ১৯৮০ সালে বাংলাদেশে যতোগুলো ম্যাপ করা হয়েছিল, তাতে তালপট্টি দ্বীপের উপস্থিতি ছিল না; যদিও সে সময় তালপট্টি দ্বীপের অস্তিত্ব ছিল।
"১৯৮০ সালে করা যতগুলো ম্যাপ, সেই ম্যাপে কিন্তু তালপট্টিকে ভারতকে দিয়ে দেওয়া হয়েছে। তার মানে কি জিয়াউর রহমান তালপট্টি ভারতকে দান করে দিয়েছিলেন?"
গত কয়েক দশক ধরেই বাংলাদেশে ভারতবিরোধী রাজনীতির অন্যতম অস্ত্র হিসেবে ব্যবহার করা হয় দক্ষিণ তালপট্টি দ্বীপের মালিকানার বিষয়টিকে, যে দ্বীপটি উনিশশ নব্বইয়ের দশকে সাগরে বিলীন হয়ে গেছে।
বাংলাদেশ-ভারত সমুদ্রসীমা নিয়ে নেদারল্যান্ডসের পার্মানেন্ট কোর্ট অব আর্বিট্রেশনের (পিসিএ) গত মঙ্গলবার যে রায় প্রকাশ করেছে, তাতে সাগরে দক্ষিণ তালপট্টির সেই অংশটি পড়েছে ভারতের ভাগে।
এই রায়ে ভারত-বাংলাদেশ দুই পক্ষেরই জয় হয়েছে বলে সরকারের পক্ষ থেকে দাবি করা হলেও বিএনপি নেতারা সরকারের সমালোচনা করে বিভিন্ন বক্তব্য দিচ্ছেন। তারা বলছেন, এই রায়ে বাংলাদেশ তালপট্টি হারিয়েছে, আর বঙ্গোপসাগরে অর্থনৈতিক সমুদ্রসীমায় ভারতের একচ্ছত্র কর্তৃত্ব প্রতিষ্ঠিত হয়েছে।
রায় অনুযায়ী বঙ্গোপসাগরের বিরোধপূর্ণ সাড়ে ২৫ হাজার বর্গ কিলোমিটার এলাকার মধ্যে প্রায় সাড়ে ১৯ হাজার বর্গ কিলোমিটার এলাকা বাংলাদেশ পাচ্ছে।
এ প্রসঙ্গে জয় বলেন, "এটা কি এমনি এমনি হলো? নাকি আমরা চেষ্টা করে, পরিশ্রম করে এটা এনেছি?
বিএনপি নেতাদের উদ্দেশ্যে তিনি বলেন, "আজকে যারা এ বিষয়টি নিয়ে অপপ্রচার করার চেষ্টা করছে, আমি তাদেরকে জিজ্ঞেস করব, আপনারাও তো ক্ষমতায় ছিলেন দুইবার, তো আপনারা কিছু করেননি কেন? আপনারা আন্তর্জাতিক আইনজীবী নিয়োগ করলেন না কেন?
"এখন যারা তালপট্টি নিয়ে কথা বলছেন, আমি তাদের অনুরোধ করবো- প্লিজ আপনারা একটু যান, আপনারা যারা বাংলাদেশকে ভালোবাসেন না, আপনারা একটু তালপট্টিতে যান, গিয়ে ওখানে আন্দোলন করেন। আশা করি আপনারা সাঁতার কাটতে জানেন।" 
১৯৭০ সালের প্রলয়ঙ্করী ঘূর্ণিঝড়ের পর সাতক্ষীরার হাড়িয়াভাঙ্গা নদীর মোহনায় দক্ষিণ তালপট্টি দ্বীপের উৎপত্তি হয়, যার মালিকানা নিয়ে ভারত ও বাংলাদেশের মধ্যে শুরু হয় বিতর্ক। ১৯৮১ সালে ভারত সামরিক বাহিনী পাঠিয়ে সেখানে নিজেদের পতাকা ওড়ায়। এরপর বিভিন্ন সময়ে দুই দেশের রাজনীতিতে তালপট্টি ঘুরে ফিরে আসে।
অনুষ্ঠানে জয় আওয়ামী লীগ সরকারের বিভিন্ন উন্নয়ন কর্মকাণ্ডের কথাও তুলে ধরেন।
তিনি বলেন, সবকিছু সংবিধান ও আইনের ভিত্তিতে করতে হবে। সংবিধানের বাইরে কিছু করলে সেটা গণতন্ত্র হয় না।




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[mukto-mona] Re: Gordhober Urbor mostishker brain hemorrhage?



Now that Shajeeb has been fully unclothed for this utterly stupid logic another new excuse (prolap)  arises...."echoes Pakistan Zindabad". The boss of Shajeeb, Ms. Farida  somehow knows he made a mistake, even though he never proclaimed that he had made a mistake. 

By the new BAKSALI logic of the hour...

"long live Bangaldesh" echoes "long live Pakistan"....thus whoever says "long live Bangladesh" is a Rajakar!!
"Joy Bangladesh"  echoes "Joy Pakistan" ....thus whoever says "joy Bangladesh" is a Rajakar!!
"Assalam" is also said widely in Pakistan....thus any Bangladeshi who says 'Assalam' is a Rajakar!!....(nomestey should be used)
'Khuda Hafiz' (urdu) is said in Pakistan......thus any Bangladeshi who says 'Khuda Hafz' is a Rajakar...


But the Pakistani born party Awami League, with Awami Urdo word is completely 'Mukti joddher cheota"... 
'Joy Bangla' is okay even though it echos India's Bangla....100s of Felani can't say 'joy Bangla' enough to save their lives from Indian killings. 
100's Bangladesh armies were not spared however many times they said  'joy Bangla' when they get killed by Indian trained & armed Shantibahini.

But God forbid ...never say 'Joy Bangaldesh'....you will surely be a rajakar.. 


On Friday, July 11, 2014 6:56 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


No, no. It is WRONG to say that the word 'zindabad' itself is bad because it is Urdu. Sajeeb Wazed was careless to have made that remark. A language by itself is not, cannot be, an enemy of people. Moreover, Urdu/Hindi has always been a part of the cultural space of Bengal. We are a multicultural, multi-religious, SECULAR nation.

We are
deadly opposed  to the cry of 'Bangladesh Zindabad' because it echoes 'Pakistan Zindabad', and makes the nation of Bangladesh nothing more than a ditto of Pakistan.

Those who are defending 'Bangladesh Zindabad' are playing dirty politics, and are trying to push the IDEA of Pakistan (1947) down our throat. The sneaky effort is an effort to obliterate Muktijuddho 1971 from our national and cultural identity.

Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:52:01 -0700
From: bangladeshiamericans@googlegroups.com
Subject: Gordhober Urbor mostishker brain hemorrhage?
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প্রধানমন্ত্রীর ছেলে ও তাঁর তথ্য, যোগাযোগপ্রযুক্তি উপদেষ্টা সজীব ওয়াজেদ জয় বলেছেন, 'যারা "জয় বাংলা" না বলে "বাংলাদেশ জিন্দাবাদ" বলে তারা পাকিস্তানের এজেন্ট'।
সজীব ওয়াজেদ বলেন, 'তারা "জয় বাংলা" বলে না, বলে "জিন্দাবাদ"। যেটা উর্দু শব্দ। বাংলা ভাষায় "জিন্দাবাদ" বলে কোনো শব্দ নেই।

Awami is a Urdo word....then AwamiLeague is a Pakistani Agent Rajakar party by the virtue of his own stupid logic? 

The people who utter the following Arabic words are definitely Arab terrorist
WordMeaningOriginal form
আক্কেল akkelwisdomعقل 'aql
আসল asôlrealأصل 'aṣl "root"
এলাকা elakaareaأﻻﻛﺔ ilākah
ওজন ojônweightوزن wazn "scale"
কবর kôbôrgraveقبر qabr
খবর khôbôrnewsخبر khabar
খালি khaliemptyخالي khālī
খেয়াল kheyalconsiderationخيال khyal
গরিব gôribpoorغريب gharīb "strange"
জবাব jôbabanswerجواب jawāb
জমা jômacollectجمع jam'
জিনিস jinisthingجنس jins "type, sex"
তারিখ tarikhdateتاريخ tārīkh "history, date"
দুনিয়া duniyaworldدﻧﯿـا dunya
নকল nôkôlfakeنقل naql
ফকির fôkirpoor personفقير faqīr
বদল bôdôlexchangeبدل badl
বাকী bakiremainingبقي baqīy
সাহেব sahebsirصاحب ṣāḥib "friend"
হিসেব hisebcalculationحساب ḥisāb



The people who utter the flowing Farshi are Iranina Mulla agents & fanatics..

WordMeaningOriginal form
আওয়াজ aoajsoundآواز āvāz
আন্দাজ andajguessاندازه andāzah "measure"
আয়না aynamirrorآینه āynah
আরাম aramcomfortآرام ārām
আস্তে asteslowly, softlyآهسته āhistah "slowly"
কাগজ kagôjpaperكاغذ kāghaz
খারাপ kharapbadخراب xarāb
খোদা khodagodخدا xoda
খুব khubveryخوب xūb "good"
গরম gôrômhotگرم garm
চশমা chôshmaglassesچشم chashm "eye"
চাকুরি chakurijobچاکر chākar
চাদর chadôrblanketچادر chādur
জান jandearجان jān
জায়গা jaygaplaceجايگاه jāegāh


The people who utter the below worlds are definitely the western agents and 'burjua' capitalist imperialists
WordOriginal form
অফিস ôfisoffice
জেল jeljail
ডাক্তার ḍaktardoctor
পুলিশ pulishpolice
ব্যাংক bêngkbank
ভোট bhoṭvote
ইস্কুল iskul
স্কুল skul
school
হাস্পাতাল haspatalhospital (from French word Ho-pi-ta)
কাপ kapcup
গ্লাস glasglass
চেয়ার cheyarchair
টেবিল ṭebiltable
বাক্স baksôbox

 Apparently there is not limit to stupidity when it comes to 'tottho-baba' Shajeeb. This clown is also a PrimeMurderer Hayena's  tottho adviser...what an standard of a cabinet!!




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Re: [mukto-mona]



Your recollection seems to have withered away with time, Dr. Roy!  The General was Sam H. F. J. Manekshaw, and not Manik Shah as you mentioned.  Hindu participation in the liberation war was proportionately higher than the population percentage would allow.  Keep in mind that the liberation war was not won by the warriors and the sector commanders but those who acted under the commands of Indira Gandhi. Only a rajaker mindset would not see any Hindu participation.  While the war spoils by looting the Beharis and Hindus enriched the Bengali Muslims, contribution by the Hindus were conveniently forgotten.  Since then, the country is drifting towards pan Islamism.  A Pakistani can opt to be a Bangladeshi, though not vice versa, but an Indian can't. 

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On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:52 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Dr. Bain, Hindus were not politically inactive during the political movement based on 6-point demands. I am saying this with full confidence that 100% Hindu population was active during the uprising against West Pakistani regime. In fact, that was the first time Hindus started to feel that - they had the same rights and aspirations as millions of others. But, it is true that - a large portion of the Muslim population remained politically inactive during that movement.

I can also confidently say that - 100% Hindu population became directly affected either physically or psychologically, emotionally, and economically by the liberation struggle, whereas, a large portion of the Muslim population was not. As a result, most Hindus crossed the border at the very onset of the military operation. As a result, most of those people did not take up arms. But, their contribution towards independence of Bangladesh was huge, because - it was the burden of one crore refugees, mostly Hindus, that facilitated the Indian invasion of East Pakistan, without which Bangladesh may not be a reality today. No one should forget this piece of critical historical information for political expediency.
 
I fully agree with Dr. A. Rahman - it was a good thing that Hindus
did not lead the liberation struggle or take up arms in large number; that could have derailed or jeopardize the whole movement. As we know - even without it, West Pakistani regime propagandized the notion that "Malauns" were behind the movement in the East Pakistan, and used that propaganda to motivate West Pakistani soldiers and to mobilize public sentiment for their brutal crackdown in the East Pakistan.  As a result, West Pakistani soldiers targeted only Hindus at the beginning.
 
I do remember all these nitty-gritty details – because I went through all these experiences, and remember them all, like yesterday's news.
 
I watched movement of Indian Army towards the border of East Pakistan from a border-town in the West Dinajpur. I tracked their progress on radio, and, subsequently, I heard frequent radio-broadcast from General Manik Shah, if my recollection is correct, for surrender warnings to all Pakistani soldiers in the East Pakistan. What I am trying to say is – Indian Army started a psychological warfare at the beginning before any attacks, and Pakistani soldiers caved in in that psychological warfare. That's how Indian soldiers liberated Bangladesh mostly without fight or casualty. It was an unprecedented historic warfare, but barely ever mentioned in the media. 

I also watched Indian soldiers returning home after the liberation of Bangladesh. Thousands of people, mostly Bangladeshi refugees, along their way welcoming them back by hurling flowers at them. I have all these vivid memories, so I do not need to learn these facts from Historians or from the foreign journalists.
 
I know full well - whatever is the number of death during 9 months of  liberation struggle, be that 30 thousand or 3 million, it was all caused by the Pakistani Army and Bengali collaborators. Most of these are not casualty of liberation war; they were cold blooded indiscriminate murders, which is called genocide. Pakistani army caused a pre-meditated Bengali-genocide during that time.

Jiten Roy



On Friday, July 11, 2014 5:23 AM, "ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

I fully concur with the views of Dr Bain that :- (1) the Bengali Muslims were divided into two groups, although the first group constituted the overwhelming majority and the second group was a pitiful minority. But the second group caused a disproportionate damage with the help of the Pakistani Army. (2) Hindus were not active in the independence struggle. I may add that that was good in the sense that, had Hindus been active, our cause and moral standing would have weakened, as Pakistanis would then claim that we are doing this only because of Hindu and Indian conspiracy (which was not the case).  (3) India's help and crucial role is undeniable. Without India, we would now be speaking Urdu and Taliban would be rampaging our homeland as they are doing in Pakistan. 

Now coming back to the mendacious claim of three million fatality, I would say that it is an insult to the memory of 40,000 or 50,000 people who actually laid their lives for the liberation of the country. It is, as if, their sacrifices were  not adequate and had to be jacked up to look worthwhile. However, those traders of lies and deceit do not understand the inner sanctum of decency and human dignity. We should all respect and remember with pride the sacrifices of those 40 thousand to 50 thousand brave souls. They are the heroes, not the lying, depraved and deceitful individuals who exaggerate the numbers for their selfish ends.

- AR 

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2014, 1:42
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona]

 
"The Bengalis never surrendered." True! But there were at least three kinds of Bengalis. 1) People whose sense of self-respect, honor, dignity and humanity was greater than their sense of being part of a bigger 'Muslim' country. Those Muslims fought for independence. 2) People whose non-sense of the 'Muslim Ummah' overwhelmed their sense of self-respect, honor, dignity and humanity. Those Muslims did all kinds of heinous crimes to uphold their 'Muslim Ummah'. 3) Innocent and politically inactive Hindus whose only viable option for survival was to migrate to India.

Due to the nonviolent (some people would call it "cowardly") nature of the Hindus, the number of Hindu freedom fighters were negligible compared to the scale of atrocities that the Hindus were facing.

I am quite convinced that without India being a big land mass between the two parts of Pakistan, and without India helping Bangladesh, there would not be a Bangladesh today. The Pakistani military, along with the second category of Muslims that I mentioned above, would have prevailed. That is the honest statement of the reality; never mind the emotion of truly appreciating the bravery of a lot of the first category Muslims.

Sukhamaya Bain 

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On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 6:10 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Situation never became normal. An uneasy situation prevailed all along. Killings, rape and arson continued. People went out but were never sure that they would come back safe. Guerrilla operations and gun battles were happening on daily basis. Any one who was inside the country knew it. 

Two and a half cubit-long bamboo stick is not a myth. What else could they do? It took time to get organized. Many of those who had bamboo sticks in their hands subsequently had grenades or fire arms in their hands. But the Bengalis never surrendered. 

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Dr. Bain, Hindus were not politically inactive during the political movement based on 6-point demands. I am saying this with full confidence that 100% Hindu population was active during the uprising against West Pakistani regime. In fact, that was the first time Hindus started to feel that - they had the same rights and aspirations as millions of others. But, it is true that - a large portion of the Muslim population remained politically inactive during that movement.

I can also confidently say that - 100% Hindu population became directly affected either physically or psychologically, emotionally, and economically by the liberation struggle, whereas, a large portion of the Muslim population was not. As a result, most Hindus crossed the border at the very onset of the military operation. As a result, most of those people did not take up arms. But, their contribution towards independence of Bangladesh was huge, because - it was the burden of one crore refugees, mostly Hindus, that facilitated the Indian invasion of East Pakistan, without which Bangladesh may not be a reality today. No one should forget this piece of critical historical information for political expediency.
 
I fully agree with Dr. A. Rahman - it was a good thing that Hindus
did not lead the liberation struggle or take up arms in large number; that could have derailed or jeopardize the whole movement. As we know - even without it, West Pakistani regime propagandized the notion that "Malauns" were behind the movement in the East Pakistan, and used that propaganda to motivate West Pakistani soldiers and to mobilize public sentiment for their brutal crackdown in the East Pakistan.  As a result, West Pakistani soldiers targeted only Hindus at the beginning.
 
I do remember all these nitty-gritty details – because I went through all these experiences, and remember them all, like yesterday's news.
 
I watched movement of Indian Army towards the border of East Pakistan from a border-town in the West Dinajpur. I tracked their progress on radio, and, subsequently, I heard frequent radio-broadcast from General Manik Shah, if my recollection is correct, for surrender warnings to all Pakistani soldiers in the East Pakistan. What I am trying to say is – Indian Army started a psychological warfare at the beginning before any attacks, and Pakistani soldiers caved in in that psychological warfare. That's how Indian soldiers liberated Bangladesh mostly without fight or casualty. It was an unprecedented historic warfare, but barely ever mentioned in the media. 

I also watched Indian soldiers returning home after the liberation of Bangladesh. Thousands of people, mostly Bangladeshi refugees, along their way welcoming them back by hurling flowers at them. I have all these vivid memories, so I do not need to learn these facts from Historians or from the foreign journalists.
 
I know full well - whatever is the number of death during 9 months of  liberation struggle, be that 30 thousand or 3 million, it was all caused by the Pakistani Army and Bengali collaborators. Most of these are not casualty of liberation war; they were cold blooded indiscriminate murders, which is called genocide. Pakistani army caused a pre-meditated Bengali-genocide during that time.

Jiten Roy



On Friday, July 11, 2014 5:23 AM, "ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

I fully concur with the views of Dr Bain that :- (1) the Bengali Muslims were divided into two groups, although the first group constituted the overwhelming majority and the second group was a pitiful minority. But the second group caused a disproportionate damage with the help of the Pakistani Army. (2) Hindus were not active in the independence struggle. I may add that that was good in the sense that, had Hindus been active, our cause and moral standing would have weakened, as Pakistanis would then claim that we are doing this only because of Hindu and Indian conspiracy (which was not the case).  (3) India's help and crucial role is undeniable. Without India, we would now be speaking Urdu and Taliban would be rampaging our homeland as they are doing in Pakistan. 

Now coming back to the mendacious claim of three million fatality, I would say that it is an insult to the memory of 40,000 or 50,000 people who actually laid their lives for the liberation of the country. It is, as if, their sacrifices were  not adequate and had to be jacked up to look worthwhile. However, those traders of lies and deceit do not understand the inner sanctum of decency and human dignity. We should all respect and remember with pride the sacrifices of those 40 thousand to 50 thousand brave souls. They are the heroes, not the lying, depraved and deceitful individuals who exaggerate the numbers for their selfish ends.

- AR 

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2014, 1:42
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona]

 
"The Bengalis never surrendered." True! But there were at least three kinds of Bengalis. 1) People whose sense of self-respect, honor, dignity and humanity was greater than their sense of being part of a bigger 'Muslim' country. Those Muslims fought for independence. 2) People whose non-sense of the 'Muslim Ummah' overwhelmed their sense of self-respect, honor, dignity and humanity. Those Muslims did all kinds of heinous crimes to uphold their 'Muslim Ummah'. 3) Innocent and politically inactive Hindus whose only viable option for survival was to migrate to India.

Due to the nonviolent (some people would call it "cowardly") nature of the Hindus, the number of Hindu freedom fighters were negligible compared to the scale of atrocities that the Hindus were facing.

I am quite convinced that without India being a big land mass between the two parts of Pakistan, and without India helping Bangladesh, there would not be a Bangladesh today. The Pakistani military, along with the second category of Muslims that I mentioned above, would have prevailed. That is the honest statement of the reality; never mind the emotion of truly appreciating the bravery of a lot of the first category Muslims.

Sukhamaya Bain 

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On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 6:10 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Situation never became normal. An uneasy situation prevailed all along. Killings, rape and arson continued. People went out but were never sure that they would come back safe. Guerrilla operations and gun battles were happening on daily basis. Any one who was inside the country knew it. 

Two and a half cubit-long bamboo stick is not a myth. What else could they do? It took time to get organized. Many of those who had bamboo sticks in their hands subsequently had grenades or fire arms in their hands. But the Bengalis never surrendered. 

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On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Dr. Roy is getting inattentive lately.  The army crackdown occurred in the night of 25th March, two days later than his mentioned date.  Pakistani army faced resistance as much that could be offered by bamboo sticks two and half cubits long.

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On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:29 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

  


Obviously, Chakraborty did not understand my statement. I did not say Pakistani Army did not face any confrontation; I said Pakistani Army did not face enormous confrontation while marching through East Pakistan. That's the fact.

I was there when Pakistani Soldiers entered Bogra Town; I was also there when they entered Natore Town. I saw how much confrontation they faced in both cases. They just moved into these town and setup camps. As they were coming towards these towns, they were setting fires on houses of poor villagers alongside the highways leading to these towns. We were following their advancement by looking at smokes on the sky. Right after entering these towns, they unleashed mayhem on Hindus. At that point, they were only targeting Awami-Leaderships in the locality.

Chakraborty also did not understand my statement about running the country under Army control. I did not say running the country smoothly from the very first day. The fact is – most of those 9 months country was running normally. School, college, court system, government offices, business, etc. reopened. Even Dhaka University, where liberation struggle started, reopened.

After spending 9 months in the refugee camp, when I started to attend my classes in Dhaka University, my classmates told me that - they have already gone through those courses once, and they were revising them again with us. I was so unhappy that I was attending them for the first time while they were given the same lessons twice. I was thinking – how am I going to compete with them after being out of touch with my studies for 9 months?  This appeared to me very unfair. They also told me everything attained some sort of normalcy in a few months after the Army crackdown on 23 March.

I am sure Chakraborty had the same experiences. Hope this will clarify his misunderstanding.
Jiten Roy


 




On Sunday, July 6, 2014 10:25 AM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Das's first sentence is good and will encourage a healthy debate. The second sentence reflects Das's mindset that it is only he who comprehends history perfectly well. Whatever I have written is based on articles written by competent authors.  I believe instead of trying to shut one's mouth, the debate should be taken to a higher level. We need to remember that BKSAL was created in 1975 while Mujib had been in the bad book of the countries that directly or indirectly acted against Bangladesh's liberation. 

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On Jul 5, 2014, at 6:43 AM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Bhutto was punished for land reform, and Shaikh was for political reforms and formation of BKSAL.  If you don't comprehend history, don't concoct it.

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On Jul 5, 2014, at 1:49 AM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Red carpet welcome given to Bhutto is often seen as an insult to our great liberation war. After all Bhutto was a villain. Interestingly both Bhutto and Mujib were punished for the  'crime' of splitting Pakistan into two. While Bhutto was executed by the Pakistan army itself, Mujib was executed by 'an extension' of it. 
It is also noteworthy that both Mujib and Bhutto with great promises brought an end to actual and virtual army rules in Pakistan. While Bhutto quickly surrendered to evil forces like Islamists, Mujib did not. But Mujib was struggling to do some thing good to the economy devastated by the war. One strategy he followed was to get support from countries not friendly to Soviet Union. Despite opposition from within he attended the Islamic Conference in Lahore. 

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On Jul 1, 2014, at 12:29 AM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Three million debate ain't over.  After assertion of such casualty, a red carpet welcome was given to Bhutto.  Nine months of liberation war could not have a comparative casualty of twenty year long Vietnam War.

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On Jun 30, 2014, at 9:36 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I do not see any connection between going after criminal bastards and three millions deaths. Even thirty thousands would be too many. Why the numbers are so important when we do not even know the exact numbers of Razakars of that time? The deaths could be even more than three millions? Why that is not a possibility considering us being the champions of inaccuracy and impreciseness? I think three millions debate is over. Lets stick to the number and move on.
-SD   
 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



On Monday, June 30, 2014 3:48 AM, "ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr Mannan,

Your endeavour to expose those "jaroj" or 'bastard' people in Bangladesh is admirable and I hope that you succeed. I am with you. But my request would be that whatever you say should be based on facts - pure and undiluted, not heresy or gossip. If you resort to massaging facts, however small, to make the case stronger, then people will reject the whole story and think that this story is one of "those".
 








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