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Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?



SB said: "While I acknowledge that the British were better than the Mughals, I feel ashamed of my forefathers and the societies that they left behind."

 

This is where I can agree with you - I am also ashamed of our forefathers; they were no "George Washington."As a result, Bakhtiar Khilji conquered Bengal with only 18 horsemen. Hindus have used divide and rule principle as caste system even before British came in. This system ruined the fabric of the Indian society, and Hindus are paying the price. British have nothing to do with it.

 
Jiten Roy

--- On Sat, 10/8/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 5:15 PM

 
There is a difference between admitting/acknowledging a fact and appreciating/defending a fact. I would not defend any foreign rule of my motherland. That is why, while I acknowledge that the British were better than the Mughals, I feel ashamed of my forefathers and the societies that they left behind.
 
Here are some facts for Dr. Roy and others to consider.
 
1) A so-called low caste Hindu walks by a so-called high caste Hindu; the latter has to take a bath to cleanse himself because he had touched the shadow of the former. To me, the latter here is asking for hostility from the former for no good reason. This was a custom of our society not very long ago. Did the Mughal or the British make our forefathers that stupid? To me, this kind of societies deserved to be booted by the foreigners.
 
2) A serious flood happens; animals and people die by the thousands. The so-called high-caste Hindus would not touch the rotting corps/carcasses, because they think they would lose their caste by doing so. They would live in the stench and bacteria-infested environment, but not clean up. This happened only a few years back is Orissa. To me, these barbarians do not know how to live a civilized life; they would do better being ruled by others.
 
3) The owners of buses would not allow their buses to ply the highway, because the highway is too bad in shape to drive. Tens of thousands of commuters get stranded. This happened only a few weeks back in Bangladesh. What were the governments doing to address this public safety issue before it reached such a sorry state? Good question. To me, people from this country would do better doing odd jobs everywhere in the world. Where should the intellectuals of this country focus; in forming an Odd-job Givers Appreciating Club?
 
There are a lot of other examples we could find. I hope I have gotten my points across a bit better now.
 
More later,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
 
SB Said :
"I think this topic should be more about our own soul-searching. Shouldn't we feel ashamed to think that we are better today because of a foreign rule? Shouldn't we feel embarrassed to think that our loving forefathers were of too poor quality to advance us as much as what a sucking foreign ruling class did?"
 
Response:
 
We can be ashamed as much as we want, but that will not change the fact, and the fact is - India is better off today because of British rule, instead of Mughal rule. I have no shame to admit this fact. We have to judge the situation with proper context, and that is - India had been already under foreign rulers for more than 500 years when British came in. I would feel ashamed to defend British rule had they occupied an independent India. Unfortunately, that was not the situation. I am trying to arrive at a logical conclusion, not emotional one.
Thanks.
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Fri, 10/7/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 7, 2011, 6:55 PM

 
All indications point to India staying more backward without the British rule.
 
The Mughals probably would have made India what the Muslim-ruled countries of the world look like today - deduct the oil-wealth. The little Hindu kings probably would have either gotten extinct, or kept licking the boots of the Mughal kings while feeling superior to their desperately poor low-caste co-religionists. The mass population of all religions would probably be quite miserable today. There is no reason to believe that without the British the Hindus would be as good today in terms of their caste-system and treatment of the women.
 
Having said all this, I would not jump into the praise-squad for the British. The British certainly did not do anything out of their love for the Indians.
 
I think this topic should be more about our own soul-searching. Shouldn't we feel ashamed to think that we are better today because of a foreign rule? Shouldn't we feel embarrassed to think that our loving forefathers were of too poor quality to advance us as much as what a sucking foreign ruling class did?
 
More later,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 


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Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?



What you guys dont take into consideration is the continuous line of saints which India has produced right up to Srila Prabhupada in 1977 who have shown us the way. Even from materialistic point of view India was the richest country in the world which is why the British came to India. They looted you and you are now rooting for them what kind of logic is this.



--- On Sat, 10/8/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 8, 2011, 4:15 PM



There is a difference between admitting/acknowledging a fact and appreciating/defending a fact. I would not defend any foreign rule of my motherland. That is why, while I acknowledge that the British were better than the Mughals, I feel ashamed of my forefathers and the societies that they left behind.
 
Here are some facts for Dr. Roy and others to consider.
 
1) A so-called low caste Hindu walks by a so-called high caste Hindu; the latter has to take a bath to cleanse himself because he had touched the shadow of the former. To me, the latter here is asking for hostility from the former for no good reason. This was a custom of our society not very long ago. Did the Mughal or the British make our forefathers that stupid? To me, this kind of societies deserved to be booted by the foreigners.
 
2) A serious flood happens; animals and people die by the thousands. The so-called high-caste Hindus would not touch the rotting corps/carcasses, because they think they would lose their caste by doing so. They would live in the stench and bacteria-infested environment, but not clean up. This happened only a few years back is Orissa. To me, these barbarians do not know how to live a civilized life; they would do better being ruled by others.
 
3) The owners of buses would not allow their buses to ply the highway, because the highway is too bad in shape to drive. Tens of thousands of commuters get stranded. This happened only a few weeks back in Bangladesh. What were the governments doing to address this public safety issue before it reached such a sorry state? Good question. To me, people from this country would do better doing odd jobs everywhere in the world. Where should the intellectuals of this country focus; in forming an Odd-job Givers Appreciating Club?
 
There are a lot of other examples we could find. I hope I have gotten my points across a bit better now.
 
More later,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
 
SB Said :
"I think this topic should be more about our own soul-searching. Shouldn't we feel ashamed to think that we are better today because of a foreign rule? Shouldn't we feel embarrassed to think that our loving forefathers were of too poor quality to advance us as much as what a sucking foreign ruling class did?"
 
Response:
 
We can be ashamed as much as we want, but that will not change the fact, and the fact is - India is better off today because of British rule, instead of Mughal rule. I have no shame to admit this fact. We have to judge the situation with proper context, and that is - India had been already under foreign rulers for more than 500 years when British came in. I would feel ashamed to defend British rule had they occupied an independent India. Unfortunately, that was not the situation. I am trying to arrive at a logical conclusion, not emotional one.
Thanks.
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Fri, 10/7/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 7, 2011, 6:55 PM

 
All indications point to India staying more backward without the British rule.
 
The Mughals probably would have made India what the Muslim-ruled countries of the world look like today - deduct the oil-wealth. The little Hindu kings probably would have either gotten extinct, or kept licking the boots of the Mughal kings while feeling superior to their desperately poor low-caste co-religionists. The mass population of all religions would probably be quite miserable today. There is no reason to believe that without the British the Hindus would be as good today in terms of their caste-system and treatment of the women.
 
Having said all this, I would not jump into the praise-squad for the British. The British certainly did not do anything out of their love for the Indians.
 
I think this topic should be more about our own soul-searching. Shouldn't we feel ashamed to think that we are better today because of a foreign rule? Shouldn't we feel embarrassed to think that our loving forefathers were of too poor quality to advance us as much as what a sucking foreign ruling class did?
 
More later,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 




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[ALOCHONA] Rule upon Sheikh Hasina from the supreme people's court of Bangladesh [1 Attachment]

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IN THE SUPREME PEOPLE'S COURT OF BANGLADESH

PERESENT

WILLIAM NICHOLAS GOMES

-PEOPLE'S JUSTICE

JUDGMENT NO.001 OF 2011

Peoples of Bangladesh                                     --- Petitioner.

-Versus-

Sheikh Hasina, People's Servant, Current Prime Minister of Bangladesh and others……… Respondents.

   For the Petitioner.                 : The peoples of Bangladesh located anywhere in the world.

            For Respondent No. 1.                        : Ms. Dipu Moni,Peopl's Servant, current

Minister of Foreign Affairs  

            Respondent No.2                       :  Mr. Md. Shahidul Islam, People's Servant, current

Ambassador, Embassy of the People's

Republic of Bangladesh, Riyadh

            Date of Hearing:                      : The 8th October, 2011.

 

                                                           

                                                            JUDGMENT

 

The Supreme People's Court of Bangladesh has observed the gross negligence of the noted people's servants 1. Sheikh Hasina, People's Servant, Current Prime Minister of Bangladesh 2. Ms. Dipu Moni,Peopl's Servant, current Minister of Foreign Affairs 3. Mr. Md. Shahidul Islam, People's Servant, current, Ambassador, Embassy of the People's Republic of Bangladesh, Riyadh.

The learned court has observed that present judiciary and state mechanism fully dysfunctional.  Both the State and judiciary failed to protect the life of eight citizens of Bangladesh in Saudi Arabia.

Due to gross negligence of the said people's servant's eight valuable lives 1. Mamoun Abdulmenan 2. Farouk Jamal 3. Suman Meah  4.Mohammed Suman 5.Shafiq Al-Islam 6.Masoud Shamsulhaq 7.Abu Hussein Ahmed and 8. Muteer Al-Rahman were barbarously murdered by Saudi Government on arbitrary conviction of robbing a warehouse and killing the security guard, Hussein Saeed Mohammed Abdulkhaleq, an Egyptian national.

The eight valuable lives were barbarously murdered by the Saudi government, who were beheaded in public, were sentenced to death for the alleged murder of an Egyptian man in April 2007.

The Supreme People's court of Bangladesh has observed that Court proceedings in Saudi Arabia fall far short of international standards for fair trial.

 The court also want to remind the people's servants and dysfunctional judiciary that in 1971, the United Nations General Assembly in Resolution 2857 (XXVI) affirmed the desirability of abolishing the death penalty in all countries.

The court has observed that the beheadings bring the number of executions in Saudi Arabia this year to at least 58, more than double than the 2010 figures. Twenty of those executed in 2011 were foreign nationals.

The court has observed that the respondents had scope to intervene on the case to save the lives and bring them safely back home but the respondents remained silent and due to their negligence not only the lives of eight but many Bangladeshis in Saudi Arabia is now in danger.

The court has observed that Bangladeshi workers working abroad are a very significant source of income for the country, bringing in over US $10 billion into the economy, largely from the remittances which the workers send in from their incomes abroad. However, the state has done nothing notable to give service to these working class people and specially in this case the respondents had showed an attitude of gross negligence.

With these observations, the learned People's Justice, issued a Rule upon the Sheikh Hasina, People's Servant, Current Prime Minister of Bangladesh and others to show cause as to why they will not be over thrown by the peoples of Bangladesh from the present position they are holding.

The court also , issue a Rule upon  Sheikh Hasina, People's Servant, Current Prime Minister of Bangladesh to dismiss any kind of diplomatic  relations with Kingdom of Saudi Arabia until they stop killing the Peoples of Bangladesh immediately .

Let me remind all concerned that as dysfunctional Supreme Court of Bangladesh, led by Justice Md. Muzammel Hossain, both the divisions of the supreme court of Bangladesh to follow and establish the judgment issued by the learned people's justice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Singed

 

William Nicholas Gomes

People's Justice

Supreme People's Court of Bangladesh

80/ B Bramon Chiron,Saydabad,

P.s.Jatrabari, P.o Wari, Dhaka-1203,

Bangladesh.

Email: William@williamgomes.org

Cell: +8801974440666

www.supremepoplescourtofBangladesh.org

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Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?



Our forefathers had to divide the country to buy "Peace"?
 
Absolute rubbish! If you do not mind me saying so!
 
First, our forefathers had no power to divide the country or keep the country united, if the British did not do it.
 
Second, the division did not bring peace.
 
If the two-nation theorists of Bangladesh had any shame, they would not show their faces anywhere when the fact is that hundreds of thousands of poor Bangladeshi Muslims are living in India illegally for economic reasons. The Muslim-haven that the two-nation theorists wanted, and got on a silver platter from the divide-and-rule British, has proven to be incapable for caring for the Muslims; even if we forget about the hatred and atrocities they have been committing against the non-Muslims of that land. Look at today's Pakistan, one part of the old two-nation theory haven. What a shame of a country! Bangladesh is doing better, and will continue to improve because there is a significant force of secularism that does not think Muslims and Hindus (and others) should be considered different nations (having their own separate countries).
 
Sukhamaya Bain
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 1:19 PM
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.......................................
 
During Mughal period communal harmony was there and during the British "Raj" the "Harmony" was missing to a point our forefathers had to divide the country to buy "Peace".
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?



"Specifically if you understand that, the name "Hindustan" was given by Muslims. "  Were the ancient Persians Muslims too?  I did not know that! 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 1:23 AM, qar <qrahman@aim.com> wrote:
 

India had been already under foreign rulers for more than 500 years when British came in. I would feel ashamed to defend British rule had they occupied an independent India. Unfortunately, that was not the situation. I am trying to arrive at a logical conclusion, not emotional one.

>>>>>>>> help me understand your point here. So what India showcases today to the world the Taj mahal, Agra Fort, Jantar mantar, palaces are all "foreign"? Specifically if you understand that, the name "Hindustan" was given by Muslims. Also the modern India ( Which is the battle cry of fanatic Hindutva movement----Akhanda Bharat) is a creation of Mughal empire. Before them, India consistrd of small nation states often fighting with each other.

The British only built upon the central Delhi concept ( In fact they went back from Kolkata to Delhi) of the Muslims and modern Indians kept that system.

Most importantly when Hindus and Muslims were (Our forefathers) fighting the British Raj to kick them out of India in favor of Bahadur Shah Jafar, were those Hindus did not have the enough common sense in working for another foreign power? Why leaders of Hindu and Muslim communities found an unifying leader in Bahadur Shah Jafar IF Mughals were seen as foreigners?

Probably my knowledge is not as rich as yours, please share your wisdom with us. ;-)


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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?

 
SB Said :
"I think this topic should be more about our own soul-searching. Shouldn't we feel ashamed to think that we are better today because of a foreign rule? Shouldn't we feel embarrassed to think that our loving forefathers were of too poor quality to advance us as much as what a sucking foreign ruling class did?"
 
Response:
 
We can be ashamed as much as we want, but that will not change the fact, and the fact is - India is better off today because of British rule, instead of Mughal rule. I have no shame to admit this fact. We have to judge the situation with proper context, and that is - India had been already under foreign rulers for more than 500 years when British came in. I would feel ashamed to defend British rule had they occupied an independent India. Unfortunately, that was not the situation. I am trying to arrive at a logical conclusion, not emotional one.
 
Thanks.
 
Jiten Roy
 


--- On Fri, 10/7/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 7, 2011, 6:55 PM

 
All indications point to India staying more backward without the British rule.
 
The Mughals probably would have made India what the Muslim-ruled countries of the world look like today - deduct the oil-wealth. The little Hindu kings probably would have either gotten extinct, or kept licking the boots of the Mughal kings while feeling superior to their desperately poor low-caste co-religionists. The mass population of all religions would probably be quite miserable today. There is no reason to believe that without the British the Hindus would be as good today in terms of their caste-system and treatment of the women.
 
Having said all this, I would not jump into the praise-squad for the British. The British certainly did not do anything out of their love for the Indians.
 
I think this topic should be more about our own soul-searching. Shouldn't we feel ashamed to think that we are better today because of a foreign rule? Shouldn't we feel embarrassed to think that our loving forefathers were of too poor quality to advance us as much as what a sucking foreign ruling class did?
 
More later,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
 
Pre-British history of India is not well-known. That is a blind-spot in the Indian history. We know intricate details about British era, but not much about Mughal era. It could be due to lack of documentation or resources at the time. British ruled many other parts of the world, including part of North America, which fought a full-fledged battle against British. How come they do not have such strong resentment against British? How come other parts of the world, ruled by British, also do not possess such sentiment against them as Indians do? Indians tend to blame everything on British rule. We blame British for our thinking, we blame British for our administrative bureaucracy, we blame British for our education system, judicial system, communication system, etc. etc.
I know what happened in 1919 during the Jallianwallabag massacre, in which British troops opened fire on unarmed civilians in a mass gathering, protesting British rule. This was the time when Gandhi started his anti-British movement, and that's the price we paid to force British out of India. How much price Indians paid during Mughal rule, especially during Babar and Awrangzeb? Anybody has a clue? That is not my point of discussion. My point is - would India be better off without British rule? Let's extrapolate continued Moghal rule for another 200 years and contrast it with the India left behind by British rulers, and analyze the situation. I will appreciate your inputs on this point.
Jiten Roy --- On Wed, 10/5/11, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 7:37 PM

JitenDa
 
When you believe that "I am thankful to British for their help in rebuilding India with their modern amenities, education systems, and judiciaries. Yes, they took some wealth back to England. Why not? You do not expect everything for free. Do you? After all, they came to India for business and occupied India for 200 years. They could have taken everything without investing a penny in India", I must say that Singh is right when he/she says that "our (please read 'your') thoughts are still controlled by British."
 
They did not do any thing out of love for the Indians. Every thing good we got was spillovers. Colonial exploitation was endless. Please reflect on what you have read from a typical history book. Think about indigo and poppy cultivation. Think how they put Tajmahal on auction to sell expensive stones after robbing all the gold and other precious metals and stones. Think about Jalianwalabag massacre, the way they retalitaed the sepoy mutiny, and countless other mischiefs. They did only that much as was necessay to carry out their business. Think about in what conditions they left India before running away.   
 
Your comment or love for British rule is not surprising as many among us cherish the same view. That's why it is really thought provoking and as such can be a good topic for debate.
 
Think about a scenario: British did not colonize India. Where would India stand today? Did India really need a colonial master to be what she is today? Could she be better?
 
Please, everybody, put ypour inputs.
 
Regards.
 
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There is a difference between admitting/acknowledging a fact and appreciating/defending a fact. I would not defend any foreign rule of my motherland. That is why, while I acknowledge that the British were better than the Mughals, I feel ashamed of my forefathers and the societies that they left behind.
 
Here are some facts for Dr. Roy and others to consider.
 
1) A so-called low caste Hindu walks by a so-called high caste Hindu; the latter has to take a bath to cleanse himself because he had touched the shadow of the former. To me, the latter here is asking for hostility from the former for no good reason. This was a custom of our society not very long ago. Did the Mughal or the British make our forefathers that stupid? To me, this kind of societies deserved to be booted by the foreigners.
 
2) A serious flood happens; animals and people die by the thousands. The so-called high-caste Hindus would not touch the rotting corps/carcasses, because they think they would lose their caste by doing so. They would live in the stench and bacteria-infested environment, but not clean up. This happened only a few years back is Orissa. To me, these barbarians do not know how to live a civilized life; they would do better being ruled by others.
 
3) The owners of buses would not allow their buses to ply the highway, because the highway is too bad in shape to drive. Tens of thousands of commuters get stranded. This happened only a few weeks back in Bangladesh. What were the governments doing to address this public safety issue before it reached such a sorry state? Good question. To me, people from this country would do better doing odd jobs everywhere in the world. Where should the intellectuals of this country focus; in forming an Odd-job Givers Appreciating Club?
 
There are a lot of other examples we could find. I hope I have gotten my points across a bit better now.
 
More later,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
 
SB Said :
"I think this topic should be more about our own soul-searching. Shouldn't we feel ashamed to think that we are better today because of a foreign rule? Shouldn't we feel embarrassed to think that our loving forefathers were of too poor quality to advance us as much as what a sucking foreign ruling class did?"
 
Response:
 
We can be ashamed as much as we want, but that will not change the fact, and the fact is - India is better off today because of British rule, instead of Mughal rule. I have no shame to admit this fact. We have to judge the situation with proper context, and that is - India had been already under foreign rulers for more than 500 years when British came in. I would feel ashamed to defend British rule had they occupied an independent India. Unfortunately, that was not the situation. I am trying to arrive at a logical conclusion, not emotional one.
Thanks.
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Fri, 10/7/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Would India be better off without British rule?
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 7, 2011, 6:55 PM

 
All indications point to India staying more backward without the British rule.
 
The Mughals probably would have made India what the Muslim-ruled countries of the world look like today - deduct the oil-wealth. The little Hindu kings probably would have either gotten extinct, or kept licking the boots of the Mughal kings while feeling superior to their desperately poor low-caste co-religionists. The mass population of all religions would probably be quite miserable today. There is no reason to believe that without the British the Hindus would be as good today in terms of their caste-system and treatment of the women.
 
Having said all this, I would not jump into the praise-squad for the British. The British certainly did not do anything out of their love for the Indians.
 
I think this topic should be more about our own soul-searching. Shouldn't we feel ashamed to think that we are better today because of a foreign rule? Shouldn't we feel embarrassed to think that our loving forefathers were of too poor quality to advance us as much as what a sucking foreign ruling class did?
 
More later,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 


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[ALOCHONA] Beijing Olymic Games of 2008: National Anthems of 205 countries



 
         People in discussion forums have a habit of jumping in with "I agree" or "I disagee" no sooner they confront an idea as if they are taking part in a supermarket product aproval survey.
 
         I would urge people to read the article by music journalist Alex Marshall listening to 205 National Anthems at the Beijing Olymics, 2008, and describing his experience, without trying to form any opinion on his views rightaway.  The mark of a good art or music critic is how open or receptive he is to the creative elements in the piece and how close he gets to inspirational source of the artist.
 
          "People know what a national anthem is supposed to sound like - a western military march - so they make sure theirs sounds the same", says Alex Marshall.  According to him, therefore, "there are a handful of anthems that do stand out - either because they use non-western instruments, scales and tunes, or because they take a western anthem and then toy with it, making it solemn or funny, and entirely their own".
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/11/olympics2008
 
 

Bangladesh: My Golden Bengal

 

A wonderful anthem that sounds like it was written for a stroll along the Seine. It really needs Jacques Brel. Which is probably not what composer Rabindranath Tagore had in mind.
 
         By the most amazing coincidence, that is exactly what Rabindranath had in mind -- the melody of a song of a wondering ministrel  --ami kothay pabo tare, amar moner manush je re.  How uncanny of Alex Marshall to have had that gut feeling! 
 
          I wish the people of Bangladesh knew how lucky they are to have an extraordinarily beautiful National Anthem that is going be a more and more appropriate song for a peaceful and prosperous Bangladesh for the coming centuries.
 
                 Farida Majid
 
         A note on Jacques Brel (1929-1978).  He was a Belgian born French singer-songwriter who began his early artistic life as a troubadour with his guitar. That image of him is not far from him being a "baul" in spirit.  His performances in cabarets and small theatres in Paris and other cities became hugely popular, and his thoughtful, literate songs were being translated and sung by famous artists in Europe and America. His records sold in millions and there was a successful Broadway revue of his work, Jacques Brel is Alive and Well and Living in Paris, that had a long run, and is currently getting ready for a re-run on Broadway. 
 
 


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