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[ALOCHONA] Militaries and govts are crushing aspirations of South Asian people



Militaries and governments are crushing aspirations of South Asian people in moving freely

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"India's interest is best served by strengthening the peace and democracy loving constituency in Pakistan.  Can India insulate itself in case there is a civil war in Pakistan? Asked Sumit Chakravarty, editor of Mainstream magazine, speaking at the public rally organized by the Delhi Chapter of the "Pakistan – India People's Forum for Peace and Democracy".

 

"Further, instead of closing our borders to Pakistani citizens, we should open up all borders in South Asia. It is people's free exchange and opportunities for trade that are the best antidotes against extremism and terror" said Chakravarty, addressing the forum.

The public forum was organized at the Press Club of India, in Raisina Road, Delhi on the theme, "Ongoing dialogue between India and Pakistan; the way forward".

 

The forum was also addressed by human rights activist and General Secretary of the Indian Chapter of the Forum, Tapan K. Bose who noted that while terror politics represents a growing trend, the peace constituency in Pakistan is also quite strong.

 
Prof Chaman Lal of the Jawahar Lal Nehru University and Chairperson, Centre of Indian Languages too contributed to the forum as a guest speaker.

Ravi Hemadri, the Joint Secretary of the Delhi Chapter issued the following media release after the conclusion of the forum, that was attended by a large gathering of concerned social and human rights activists.

 

Press release

New Delhi, 19 Sep. 09

Speakers at a public meeting organised by the Pakistan India People's Forum for Peace and Democracy (PIPFPD) stressed that there was no alternative to both India and Pakistan but to engage in serious dialogue. They highlighted the need to end the atmosphere of suspicion that has vitiated the relations between the two countries since the terrorist attack in Mumbai last year.  The fact is that we are neighbours and must therefore engage in direct dialogue.

 

Speaking at the meeting, Tapan K. Bose, eminent human rights activist and the General Secretary of the India chapter of the Forum said that cessation of dialogue cannot ensure that there will be no future attacks. He deplored that ever since Mumbai attacks, the terrorists have set the agenda for relationship between the two countries. There is now enough evidence that there are terror groups operating from Pakistani soil. Some of them may also have links with the agencies of the Pakistani state. However, while terror politics represents a growing trend, the peace constituency in Pakistan is also quite strong. Mumbai attacks and other similar violence on civilians is condemned by large sections of the Pakistani society. As a part of its Pakistan policy India must not limit itself to address the Pakistani state but adequately express its concern to the plight of the ordinary people there who face terror attacks on a daily basis.

 

The peace constituency has also grown over the years in India. The very fact that there was no popular support for India to go to war with Pakistan in the aftermath of Mumbai shows the strength of this peace constituency. An attack ten years ago like that happened in Mumbai last year, would have pushed both countries to war. We must not forget that the then government of India almost went to war with Pakistan after the attack on the Indian parliament in 2001.

 

Pakistani state is reported to be in a crisis. There is a real threat of a civil war breaking out in that country, warned Sumit Chakravarty, editor of Mainstream magazine. He said India's interest is best served by strengthening the peace and democracy loving constituency in Pakistan.  Can India insulate itself in case there is a civil war in Pakistan? Further, instead of closing our borders to Pakistani citizens, we should open up all borders in South Asia. It is people's free exchange and opportunities for trade that are the best antidotes against extremism and terror.

 

Prof Chaman Lal of the Jawahar Lal Nehru University deplored the visa system that exists between nations in South Asia. He argued that India and Nepal allow each other's citizens to move freely in their countries because a section of the people of Nepal shares a common culture with people of some of the states of India. He asked, is it not the same in the case of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh? He alleged that the militaries and the governments are crushing the aspirations of the people of South Asia to move freely in the entire region.

The joint statement issued by Pakistan and India at Sharm-el-Sheikh was a creative piece of diplomacy to set the dialogue process back on the track. But ever since the joint statement it has been attacked by the rightist parties in India. Fr.. T K John of the Vidyajyothi College of Theology said that the ruling party, buckling under the attack, has continuously diluted the spirit and the interpretation of the joint statement.

 

Ravi Hemadri

Joint Secretary

For further details contact:

Harris Kidwai:   9811081240

Ravi Hemadri :  9871415186

PIPFPD Secretarait – pipfpd@pipfpd.org

 



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[ALOCHONA] NYT - Bangladesh, Findings on Arsenic and Water (Report Attached) [1 Attachment]

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September 22, 2009

Observatory

In Bangladesh, Findings on Arsenic and Water

By HENRY FOUNTAIN

NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/22/science/22obarsenic.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

 

There is more potentially bad news involving arsenic and Bangladesh, where contaminated groundwater has affected millions of people.

 

Wells that have been dug into relatively shallow aquifers produce drinking water with levels of arsenic far above those considered safe.

 

But not all of the water ends up in wells. During the dry season, some of it discharges into major rivers, and now a study in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that river sediments have become heavily contaminated with arsenic, with the potential to contaminate groundwater even further.

 

Yan Zheng of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory and Queens College and colleagues sampled sediments along the Meghna River, which, with the Ganges and Brahmaputra, forms a vast delta in India and Bangladesh. Samples taken to a depth of about two inches showed relatively low arsenic concentrations, but those from depths of 3 to 10 feet had concentrations that were two orders of magnitude higher.

 

The researchers suggest that as the arsenic-rich water enters the river, the chemistry causes it to precipitate and adhere to iron-bearing minerals in the sediments.

 

In effect, they say, the sediments form an "iron curtain" to keep the arsenic out of surface water in the river. But recycling of these arsenic-laden sediments to the Ganges-Brahmaputra-Meghna delta aquifer may lead to further groundwater contamination.

 


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RE: [mukto-mona] Re: Please comment against educaion policy



Dear Pavel Saheb,
 
            Do you consider yourself sufficiently endowed with the "religious education" that you so passionately want the children of today's Bangladesh to have? If the anwer to the question is 'yes' then my riposte would be: This is the pathetic level of ignorance we should conscientiously avoid in the name of "religious education."
         
           My own religious education was received at home, not at school, and one of the fundamentals taught by my family was not to resort to lies for selfish gains, or to malign other persons. Pavel Saheb, you are lying about American and British people not having any family life. It is gross, mischievous, and so far from truth that one should doubt your sanity for saying those lies. Moreover, United States is considered the most religious-minded of all the developed Western countries.
 
            Madrassahs should be abolished as a system of education in Bangladesh.  For religious studies there should be seminary-type of institutions where serious and sophisticated studies are undertaken, not just the silly brainwashing kind.
 
          When Pakitani and Indian Muslim scholars, both Deobandi and Barlevi Ulemas of well-known madrassahs in their countries, are openly admitting about the weakness of the madrassah syllabi, saying that they do not provide students with adequate understanding of today's conditions and demands, should Bangladesh produce lakhs and lakhs of madrassah educated lads?
 
               Farida Majid



  08/29/2006 11:07
BANGLADESH

"Carte blanche" for madrassahs of extremism

Contrary to advice that calls for more checks and modernization of the curricula of Koranic schools, sometimes breeding ground for Islamic militants, Dhaka will confer diplomas equal to those of other private and state schools.


Dhaka (AsiaNews) – The government of Bangladesh continues to cede to pressure exerted by Islamic extremism that is becoming increasingly heavy in the lead-up to elections next year. The political alliance led by the Bangladesh Nationalist Party of the controversial the Minister Khaleda Zia, has now decided to give official recognition to the Qawami Madrassah (Koranic school) certificate. 
 
 It was the prime minister herself who made the announcement at a meeting with leaders of different Islamist organisations.  "After an overall review, the government has decided to offer equivalent status of MA degree (Islamic Studies/Arabic Literature) to the 'Dawra' degree of Qawami Madrassahs."
 
Zia said she hoped students of these madrassahs would soon obtain deserved recognition of their studies with the cooperation of all and make the desired contribution to building the country.  The premier said the final step would be recognition of the "Fazil" diploma as a graduate course and the "Kamil" courses of the Alia Madrassah as a Masters degree.
 
Islamic radicals have long been demanding official recognition of age-old religious schools known as Qawami, but intelligence agencies claim they have been used to recruit and train new conscripts for terrorism and extremism.
 
The government decision follows agitation by several Islamic parties like the Islami Oikya Jote, a member of the government coalition. In all likelihood, the aim is to garner consensus in view of the general elections slated for next year.
 
Fundamentalists are cranking up pressure exerted on the central power base – a trend already noted by AsiaNews last year – in several civil sectors, chief among them that of education. The trend hides dangerous implications. Local analysts say the Qawami need legal recognition but "they refuse all administrative checks and monitoring of the curricula taught to students. Dhaka is thus giving these schools carte blanche to teach whatever they like how they like, and then they confer degrees exactly like those of state schools or private universities, which are subject to government controls!"
 
The provision goes in the opposite direction to that suggested by security experts, who called for more control over the activities and funds of the Qawami madrassahs after a wave of coordinated bomb blasts went off across Bangladesh on 17 August 2005. The most radical Koranic schools are funded by Saudi Arabia and conservative Islamic governments that want to lead Bengalese Islam back to orthodoxy.
 
Although analysts cannot give precise time frames, they say when the fruit of this education surfaces, the world could be faced with around 20 million youth formed in the fundamentalism of Koranic schools.

 
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7058#



 

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From: kazimohammadismail@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:09:39 -0700
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Please comment against educaion policy

 

Dear Belal sb

 

Salam and thanks for your reply. You are obviously right that The British Emperor creates the problem. But question is not there. Question is here, what should we do now.

 

Firstly, we should think that religious education is not burden to be a modern(?) state. What modern concept will be agreed by you? As like American or British. The modern America/Europe is against family life. They agreed with lesbianism, ageism, firing in school, dancing, nudism, huge number of single mother or child without father. The modern civilization is like individualism where women only bear the duties to her children. The child never can get sympathy or any rights from his father. The modern concept is to aggression to another country and killing mass people.

 

It is because only the faith. They have no faith in their education. They have no responsibility in their own or to other people or to other faith.

 

So, we need to include our faith in our educational policy.

 

Secondly, you know that our nation are suffering for hijacking, kidnapping, muggers, roberring, murder etc. even by our university/college students. If they have proper knowledge about the final reconciliation after the death they never can do this.

 

So, we have to include responsibility and religious faith in our educational system.

 

Thirdly, the proposed educational system is more biased by political concept. The so called Kudrati khuda Comission was formed by our great leader Bnagabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. But he never implemented the secular system in our country. Moreover the Kudrati Khuda commission proposal was targeted for 2o years from 1972. But it left 40 years. So, why should we accept the old concept?

 

Fourthly, If this is not political proposal why only Madhrasha education system would be changed and why not it in A level, O level or kindergarten system? For why O level and A level students should not be taught about 'Bangladesh Knowledge?' Why it will be touch only into madrasha and general system? Why only Madrasha education will be supervised by local public but not general system? what is the answer?

 

Fifthly, religious education system is not burden to modern knowledge. Islam emphasised about scientific research and thus we saw that Muslims scholars rides the worlds education for about 7 hundreds years.

 

So, why should not we want to sit as rider again?

 

Sixthly, now a days we read the news that different modern country like Britain proposed to educate their children with proper religious knowledge in their school. And by the President Obama's speech we know that settler's students are doing better than American origin. And it is for their inherited religious concept, responsibility to their family and country.

 

So, what's the problem to get religious knowledge for our children in our country?

 

Seventhly, we all read the news about Dr. Emajuddin Ahmed's comments. He speaks at a seminar at National Press club organised by Sacheton Nagorik Samaj. He said that no education will be fruitful without religious knowledge. Secular education concept is no where in the world. Religion is the origin of the education. Education comes from Mandir, Masjid, Girga, Pagoda. So, no education will be completed without its origin (religion).

 

Moreover, I thanking you again. And I always honour your comments and I never cut off your contact from my e-mail list. I think you will honour my comments and our government will honour our nation's faith and will cancel the proposed education policy.

 

I agreed with you that our half educated 'moulavis' are blind about modern world. Besides, I also think that our half educated 'misters' are irresponsible to our country and corruption halted our development. I firmly agreed that If our government honour some of our religious scholar's thinking a few review/amendment of the policy can fruitful and acceptable to the whole nation.

 

Thank u all.

 

 

Kazi Mohammad Ismail Pavel.

Mirpur, Dhaka




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Subject: RE: Please comment against educaion policy

Dear Kazi sb,
It is obvious you do not know me or my mission in life. If you did, you could never include me in your mailing list. Actually, I stand diametrically opposed to you in all respects. your idea of religion or the need of religious education is no different than half informed village Moulavi who is happily blind about the advancement of human civilization and the needs of a modern State. The education policy which has been prepared by some of the topmost scholars of the country seems to be able to foster a purposeful productive people and develop a standard of life which will be modern at the same time based on our heritage. Unfortunately,the Commission did not dare abolish Madrassa education, the British tool to keep out from the body-polity, the dangerous Muslim population by making them satisfied and steeped in their imported Arab customs and tradition. They however wisely created avenues for the Madrassa students to follow their own aptitudes and ambitions. Phenomenal progress in communication technology has made our planet a global village where young generation will vie for the best jobs anywhere, why should we, the older generation keep them deprived of a life which is local, national and global at the same time. The so called Islamic education is a bundel of archaic rather moribund ideas of a useless, wasted generation who could not free themselves from the shackles put on them by their forefathers. They have no right to stand on the way of the new generation who have the total gamut of human knowledge and technology at the tip of their fingers handing a computer Mouse.
I will request you to review your own thought process which I am afraid is stunted over a long time.

Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:33:44 -0700
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Dear Brothers and sisters
 
Assalamu Alaikum
 
Pls input/send your comments into following e-mail/website/fax and phone.
 
I have already sent my comments as under. Pls read the policy and find a lot of anti islamic/anti nationals concepts in the policy paper. Comments against that words within 30 september.
 
ma-assalam
 
kazi mohammad ismail pavel
 
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my comments about it
 

Dear sir

 

assalamu alaikum

 

The proposed education policy is not fruitful for our country. Please reject the policy. Your policy is to reduce religious knowledge but everyone of world knows that its a fundamental subject for teaching of a human being. Without any religious knowledge there is no difference between man and wilds beasts. So you should emphasize on relious based education system instead of secular concept. Now you should rejecet/cancel the following line/para/words from your proposed policy:-

 

1. Secular based educational system.

2. Lalitakala as a subject for primary level

3. Supervision of local people for madhrashas

4. More general subjects in madhrashas instead of arabic language. On the other side there is no more option for taking relious subjects for general sides.

5. Amalgamation of Madhrasha system into the general system.

6. No more interruption in A level or O level or in kindergarten system.

 

 

You should also adopt the following:-

 

1. Compulsory Religious subjects up to intermediate level.

2. Upper level should have option for taking religious subject as subsidiary syllabus.

3. Religious Practicing students should have get extra marks for public examination and appointment in any job.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

 

Kazi Mohammad Ismail Pavel

Mirpur Dhaka

 

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[ALOCHONA] Re: BDR Tragedy, True Findings

Dear Mr. Obama,

Thanks for your support and kind comments.

I have been writing on such issues for many years now and faced many threats and tribulations over the years but I think that my opponents would prefer not to highlight my situation otherwise my opinions and writings will get a wider audience.

You may find new information on AL and RAW in the latest edition of my book The India Doctrine (1947-2007).

Regards

MBI Munshi


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@...> wrote:
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> dear mr. munshi,
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> i always read your well researched, intelligent articles with interest. and I do get dizzy looking at those morons, with no brain, qualifications or skill...who criticize you non-stop!
> I don't know if I should ask you this serious Q......how you feel comfortable...about your safety, because you
> write sensitive topics with solid references?
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> Will you write about the method AL + RAW followed to pick up ministers this time?
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> Best wishes.
> Khoda hafez.
> Eid mubarak.
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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> From: sohailtaj2008@...
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:49:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] BDR Tragedy, True Findings
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> I did not write or prepare the report. It was sent to me anonymously through the email. If you have any questions or queries you can find the relevant information from ahmadashiqulhamid@...
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> The report carries new information that was not in the Army or Government reports into the BDR mutiny. While there are certain errors and the language is somewhat emotional the report cannot be easily dismissed.
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> --- On Thu, 9/17/09, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@...> wrote:
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> From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@...>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] BDR Tragedy, True Findings
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> From: mimunshi
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> Entire Bangladesh is convinced that "Peelkhana massacre was the outcome of a long and deep-rooted conspiracy." But there is a mystery shrouding the background of Peelkhana carnage. Somehow or the other, people of Bangladesh do not still know the entire truth. This article endeavors to un-shroud the hidden truth. Purpose is not to vindicate anyone, the pure purpose is to erase the lies and bring the truth to the open. You are not required to believe whatever follows. It is totally up to your judgment. If you believe, you may pass it on to persons who may try to spread the message so that justice, the rarest phenomenon on planet earth, may see light in Bangladesh today, tomorrow or year after. If you don't believe this article, utter a curse and
> just put this article into trash and forget it.
> FULL STORY
> http://deshcalling. blogspot. com/2009_ 09_13_archive. html
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[ALOCHONA] Re: BDR Tragedy, True Findings

Dear Mr. Robin Khundaker,


No I am not Sohail Taj nor do I use his name. He sent me your comment on Alochona to which I replied to him directly while I sent a CC to Alochona. Presumably I may have forgotten to add Alochona to the recient list while Taj merely copied and pasted and sent to this forum.

Instead of focusing on these irrelevant issues deal with the contents of the artcile I put up on my blog.

Regards

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[ALOCHONA] Re: BDR Tragedy, True Findings

Mr. Obama (only non-moron and full-brain but the most arrogant and proud
person in this forum),

AL leaders for the the peel khana will be tried soon after they hang
Khaleda, Tarek Zia, Nasiruddin Pintu, smuggler Babar, Abdus Salam Pintu,
Moilana Nizami, Mujahid etc. for the 21 Aug grenade attack at AL
meeting.


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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> From: MBIMunshi@...
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:34:51 +0000
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] BDR Tragedy, True Findings
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> "Peelkhana massacre was the outcome of a long and deep-rooted
conspiracy." But
> there is a mystery shrouding the background of Peelkhana carnage.
Somehow or
> the other, people of Bangladesh
> do not still know the entire truth. This article endeavors to
un-shroud the
> hidden truth. Purpose is not to vindicate anyone, the pure purpose is
to erase
> the lies and bring the truth to the open. You are not required to
believe
> whatever follows. It is totally up to your judgment. If you believe,
you may
> pass it on to persons who may try to spread the message so that
justice, the
> rarest phenomenon on planet earth, may see light in
Bangladesh—today, tomorrow or year
> after. If you don't believe this article, utter a curse and just put
this
> article into trash and forget it.
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> FULL STORY –
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> http://deshcalling.blogspot.com/2009_09_13_archive.html
>

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[ALOCHONA] Re: Pl Demand a Strong Bill on LG: FW: An article on local government

Enemies of local government are enemies of democracy.

The tension between local and central government is building and will explode in due course.

Can't wait.


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:
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> Let us do all we can to raise our voice against any attempt to water down efforts towards building strong democtatically based local governments at every level of the administration.
> Read this attached Bangla article and get yourself some detailed knowledge on what issues are at stake.
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> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:58:36 -0700
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Saber places bill to stop 'crossfire' killings

Dear Alochok Shamim

I also agree with you and Saber Hossain Chowdhury that extra judicial killings should be stopped immediately.

But though your argument is just you are both essentially insincere because you know the full truth but will not speak the full truth. Because you will not allow justice to impede upon the comfort of your Nethri.

Which is why it is the grandest waste of time to participate in elegant debates about the rights and wrongs of policies from an ethical standpoint with politcial activists. Its a diversion from the ugly truth. And you, and Saber, are knowingly or unknowingly, engaged in these prettily disguised ugly diversions.

Thats why you have neither the capacity or the morals to hold the democratically elected government of your choice accountable for crimes such as extra judicial killings. So nice of you to discuss why so many common people approve of extra judicial killings. So typical of you not to hold your own party responsible for perpetuating environment that makes such opinions possible.

Come to the point.

Extra judicial killings are officially sanctioned, if not case by case then by blanket exemption.

The same way you won't hold the democratic government of Bangladesh accountable for extra judicial killings of BDR jawans by the Army. Possibly you don't mind as a democrat - ie a Bangladeshi democrat.

Real wolves fight like wolves. It is people who fight like wolves in sheeps clothing. Animals are better than humans in many ways...

How sick it is to see activists blaming the people for accepting extra judicial killings without holding their own ruling party accountable. And writing such noble articles as if the Nethri is Napoleon or Caesar and we are politely requesting them to turn their divine attention to the issue of extra judicial killings.

Come to the point. Dancing around the truth like teenagers at their first disco is ridiculous at your age.

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@...> wrote:
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> I agree with Parliamentarian Saber Hossain Chowdhury, extra judicial killing continues with impunity. No one disagree about ongoing killing without judicial process, process that been systematically been used since 2004 from the day launching elite force name RAB.
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> When the normal expectation that all citizens would condemn killing, whether we agree or not, a large- very large segment of our society support extra judicial killing by RAB and other law enforcement agency. Question can be raised, why?
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> It is nothing but breakdown of normal human behavior under stress, what stress?
> Stress from not getting law enforcing agencies on your side when something goes wrong
> Stress from been attacked in the street
> Stress from getting phone calls for ransom after been picked by miscreants
> Stress from muggers in the street to hoodlums in your own backyard trying to extort you
> Your sister or wife goes into the street and encounter harsh eve teasing
> Stress from you try to run business, extortionist come after you, you try to build a house in own property they come to collect toll.
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> Criminals do what they can do best, intimidate you. However, police fails to do what they should be doing best, protect you. Who is failing here? Who is deviated from their normal behavior? The police or the criminals!
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> Who is supposed to protect you from all these evil things happening to you and your family? POLICE, but they fail to protect you rather in good number of cases they patronize the perpetrators. What you can do? You can file complain which you are reluctant to do because you do not want to pick up a fight against the powerful being a powerless. You pray to God, RAB kills one, and you think God is answering your call.
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> Nonsense, but that makes sense to you, you know why?  Because you are having a serious nervous breakdown. Acknowledge it, its not God but demons are answering your call. You want justice but not by doing injustice to another person.
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> Graveyard is a very quiet serene place but you do not want the peace and serenity of graveyard into your bedroom or business boardroom. Demand for what is right, justice. However, hate what is not right and say it loud, extra judicial killing is wrong, it is against the humanity. It is what they (miscreants) do, breaking the law, if you support bending the law then you are one of them. Do not do or support what a beast do then you turn your self from human to demon.
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> Government must take firm initiative to stop extra judicial killing. Government must do everything to protect people’s right to their property and life. There is no shortcut; the only shortcut is which takes you to hell. I pray that the Member of Parliament come to their realization and do the right thing, make extra judicial killing an offence punishable by incarceration and hefty fine.
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> I praise Honorable MP Saber Hossain Chowdhury for taking a bold step bringing the bill to the parliament though it seems politically incorrect in an environment where killers get impunity with cheers from the government as well as citizen. One BIG wrong cannot and shall not be corrected with another GIANT wrong. Leaders show the path when path seems ending. Bravo Mr. Saber Hossain Chowdhury.
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> Sincerely
> Shamim Chowdhury
> Maryland, USA
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> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Syed Aslam <syed.aslam3@...> wrote:
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> From: Syed Aslam <syed.aslam3@...>
> Subject: Saber places bill to stop 'crossfire' killings
> To: "Khobor" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>, "Sonar Bangladesh" <SonarBangladesh@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:15 AM
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> Saber Hossain Chowdhury
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> Saber places bill to stop 'crossfire' killings
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> Thu, Sep 10th, 2009 4:37 pm BdST
> Dhaka, Sept 10 (bdnews24.com)â€"Ruling Awami League MP Saber Hossain Chowdhury has placed a bill in parliament proposing life-term sentence to perpetrators of killings in custody of law-enforcement agencies.
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> Chowdhury brought the bill in the wake of a recent spate of killings of a number of alleged criminals by elite force RAB and police in so-called 'crossfire' and 'encounters'.
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> Another militant outlaw was killed in alleged shootout with police and RAB early on Thursday in Kushtia, taking the total number of dead to eight in the last two weeks.
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> The MP presented two bills -- Torture and Custody Death (Prevention) Bill 2009 and Resisting Eviction of Slum Dwellers from Government Land Bill 2009, which have been sent for scrutiny to the relevant parliamentary committees.
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> In his written statement, Chowdhury said: "The state organisations, particularly the law enforcers forget the basic rights of people. It cannot be possible to ensure justice in many cases.
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> "People are tortured on various excuses through the administration and police forces. They face brutal torture at various times under the custody of law. Even deaths are taking place frequently in security custody."
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> The former AL organising secretary in his bill proposed life term and at least Tk 1 lakh fine for the perpetrators if found guilty.
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> Home minister Sahara Khatun has claimed that no extra-judicial killing was taking place during the crackdown in the southwest.
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> "Those who are getting killed are dying in gun battles with the police and RAB," she said last Sunday.
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> 'Odhikar', a human rights organisation, said at least 19 people were killed in August across the country in so-called 'crossfire, encounter or gunfight'.
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> Of the deceased, 10 allegedly belonged to different underground militant outfits.
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> According to available figures, a total 577 people died in 472 'crossfire' incidents across the country since RAB was constituted on March 26, 2004.
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> The High Court on June 29 ordered the government to explain why killing without trial in so-called crossfire or encounter will not be declared illegal.
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> It also asked why departmental and criminal actions should not be taken against those who perpetrate such killings in custody and outside.
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> The shooting incidents are commonly reported as 'crossfire' in the media, a term which has come to imply 'suspicious' or extra-judicial killings.
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> Most recently, controversy was sparked when two polytechnic students were killed in RAB 'crossfire' in the capital in early June.
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> Former state minister for home Tanjim Ahmed had said the RAB had launched a departmental investigation into the death of the two students.
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> According to rights group Odhikar, 322 people were killed during the last two years of the caretaker government led by Fakhruddin Ahmed in "crossfire".
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> Prime minister Sheikh Hasina herself announced in February that the extrajudicial killings perpetrated during the tenure of the military-installed interim government would be investigated.
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> International and local rights groups, including Amnesty International, US-based Human Rights Watch, Transparency International, Bangladesh and Odhikar, over past decades have frequently expressed concern over the rate of extra-judicial killings in the country.
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> HRW, in May, in a damning report, suggested 'elite' security forces such as Rapid Action Battalion and the Directorate General of Forces Intelligence (DGFI) be disbanded.
> http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=3&id=142364&hb=3
>
> Saber places bill to stop custodial killngs
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎4 hours ago‎
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> Dhaka, Sept 10 (bdnews24.com)â€"Ruling Awami League MP Saber Hossain Chowdhury has placed a bill in parliament proposing life-term sentence to perpetrators of ...
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>  
> AmaderSomoy:
> http://www.amadershomoy.com/content/2009/09/10/middle0349.htm
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> Related:
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> Rab official accused of 'crossfire threat'
> The Daily Star - ‎Aug 16, 2009‎
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> She alleged as she did not tell them where Pinju lives, they threatened to kill her son in 'crossfire' if she does not hand him over to them. ...
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> Detained 'criminal' killed in city 'crossfire'
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎Aug 18, 2009‎
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> Dhaka, Aug 19 (bdnews24.com)â€"An alleged criminal was killed in a gunfight with RAB after arrest at Agargaon in the capital early on Wednesday. ...
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> 'Top outlaw' dies in gunfight in RAB custody
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎Sep 8, 2009‎
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> Anwar Hossain, 37, son of Aman Malitha from Gachherdiar of Doulatpur upazila, was arrested by the intelligence squad of RAB in Dhaka on Tuesday evening, ...
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> 3 killed in 'crossfire' in Savar, Khulna
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎Aug 26, 2009‎
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> Dhaka, Aug 26 (bdnews24.com)â€"Two alleged gangsters and an outlaw were killed in 'gunfights' between their cohorts and the RAB and police early on Wednesday ...
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> No extrajudicial killings occurring: Sahara
> Bangladesh News 24 hours - ‎Sep 6, 2009‎
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> Dhaka, Sept 6 (bdnews24.com)--Home minister Sahara Khatun has said that the ongoing crackdown on outlaws and extremists in the southwest is based on a list ...
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> Outlaws in Khulna division show no sign of let-up
> The Daily Star - Quazi Amanullah - ‎21 hours ago‎
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> Since 2003, over 500 extremists have been killed in 'crossfire' incidents during quite a few crackdowns by law enforcers including Rab, sources said. ...
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