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Monday, December 3, 2012

[mukto-mona] 181st HL Newsletter [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from Rosaline Costa included below]

Hotline Human Rights Trust

GPO Box-5, Dhaka-1000

Bangladesh

 

 

181st Issue of HL Newsletter,

Oct.-Nov., 2012

03 December 2012

Excellencies and dear Friends,

Greetings from Hotline Human Rights Trust.

Please find herewith in the attached file the latest 181st Issue of Hotline Newsletter. Please read it, use us (giving credit to Hotline) and share with others you think would be benefited from it. With best wishes and kindest regards,

 

 

ROSALINE COSTA, B.A.B.Ed & LL.B   
Executive Director
Hotline Human Rights Trust
GPO Box-5, Dhaka-1000
Bangladesh
Phone: +88-02-9352149
Cell: +88-01711-548909
E-mail: costa_rosie@yahoo.com, rosaline.costa@gmail.com


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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: [KHABOR] There is difference between Nuremberg trial and present ICT trial in Dhaka




Dear Mr. Guha, 
 This forum is a constructive discussion forum, if I am not mistaken. If you are not open to discussion or opposing point of views, maybe you are better off outside this group?

Please think twice before putting down your words.

Thanks.

From: SAHANNAN <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 8:35
Subject: [mukto-mona] RE: [KHABOR] There is difference between Nuremberg trial and present ICT trial in Dhaka

 
 
Mr Guha,
The ICT does not allow two appeals and one revision proceedings as in all cases under Crpc; The ICT allows only one revision.Politics can be politically motivated, justice can not. You say "Even child molestation cases in USA are filed after 50years?." No such delay can be made in USA without explaining full reason for time lapse.
 
You agai say Mr Guha "Mr. Shah, we know your color, why exposing it! " Is it necessary to lose balance of mind and accuse others?.You know everybody has some color, why castigate me only?
 
Please read my earlier letter again to understand my viewpoint.
Shah Abdul Hannan
 

From: khabor@yahoogroups.com [mailto:khabor@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sitangshu Guha
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 11:31 PM
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [KHABOR] There is difference between Nuremberg trial and present ICT trial in Dhaka
 
 
There are more differences:
Nuremberg trial did not have the option for 'appeal'; ICT has.
Those war criminals were also arrested and close to 11000 were in jail (excepting those like Golam Azam, who fled to Pakistan ). It is Zia ( Bangladesh 's first Dictator), who released them.
 
Question is why a case can't be filed after 40 years? Even child molestation cases in USA are filed after 50years?. Come on, give us a break; don't be a supporter of alleged criminals!
 
Independence of Bangladesh was politically motivated at the will of the people, by the people and for the people. Trial of the war criminals also politically motivated by the people, for the people and obviously of the people (people gave verdict to this government). Again, it was immoral not to do this so long; but when time came we should finish it once for all, like the trial of the killing of Bangabandhu.
 
Mr. Shah, we know your color, why exposing it!
 
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:43 AM, SAHANNAN <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
There is difference between Nuremberg trial and present ICT trial in Dhaka . In Nuremberg , cases were filed immediately after the war and accused tried then. Only some who fled the country and were hiding they were tried after arresting them later. Cases were not filed later .
 
Secondly in the Nuremberg trial the main accused were not released and so called collaborators were tried as happening in Dhaka .
As such the case is not morally maintainable. The trial is politically motivated.
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
 




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[mukto-mona] RE: [KHABOR] There is difference between Nuremberg trial and present ICT trial in Dhaka



 

Mr Guha,

The ICT does not allow two appeals and one revision proceedings as in all cases under Crpc; The ICT allows only one revision.Politics can be politically motivated, justice can not. You say “Even child molestation cases in USA are filed after 50years?.” No such delay can be made in USA without explaining full reason for time lapse.

 

You agai say Mr Guha “Mr. Shah, we know your color, why exposing it! “ Is it necessary to lose balance of mind and accuse others?.You know everybody has some color, why castigate me only?

 

Please read my earlier letter again to understand my viewpoint.

Shah Abdul Hannan

 


From: khabor@yahoogroups.com [mailto:khabor@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sitangshu Guha
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 11:31 PM
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [KHABOR] There is difference between Nuremberg trial and present ICT trial in Dhaka

 

 

There are more differences:

Nuremberg trial did not have the option for ‘appeal’; ICT has.

Those war criminals were also arrested and close to 11000 were in jail (excepting those like Golam Azam, who fled to Pakistan). It is Zia (Bangladesh’s first Dictator), who released them.

 

Question is why a case can’t be filed after 40 years? Even child molestation cases in USA are filed after 50years?. Come on, give us a break; don’t be a supporter of alleged criminals!

 

Independence of Bangladesh was politically motivated at the will of the people, by the people and for the people. Trial of the war criminals also politically motivated by the people, for the people and obviously of the people (people gave verdict to this government). Again, it was immoral not to do this so long; but when time came we should finish it once for all, like the trial of the killing of Bangabandhu.

 

Mr. Shah, we know your color, why exposing it!

 

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:43 AM, SAHANNAN <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:

There is difference between Nuremberg trial and present ICT trial in Dhaka. In Nuremberg, cases were filed immediately after the war and accused tried then. Only some who fled the country and were hiding they were tried after arresting them later. Cases were not filed later .

 

Secondly in the Nuremberg trial the main accused were not released and so called collaborators were tried as happening in Dhaka.

As such the case is not morally maintainable. The trial is politically motivated.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 



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Re: [mukto-mona] About communalism and non communalism--please see my writeup as lot peole accuse Islamists of communalism--please circulate

I agree completely what you just said - do not invite troubles.

My argument was against the "generality" of the phrase - disrespecting Quran is an INTOLERABLE offense to Muslims. 

My argument was - such act is not intolerable to all Muslims; otherwise all Muslims would have reacted violently, like the others who did. I think I am right. I also think - most Muslims believe Allah will punish those who disrespect Quran, and those who do it will face the consequence when they face Allah.

Again, this is just a logical argument against the generality of the phrase. Everybody has the right to commit sin also, as long as such act does not affect others. No one will probably pay much attention to the sinner.

You may argue – disrespecting Quran will cause pain and anguish in many Muslims, and some people could react violently; that's understandable. The trouble-maker has to take into account of the consequence the act before performing it.

That being said - I am still puzzled by the fact that - why some people take religious-feeling so seriously than others. Reacting  to a religious feeling violently is a needless reaction, in my view, if you believe in the consequences on the Day of Judgment. Just leave to the Almighty; will you?

Jiten Roy

 


--- On Mon, 12/3/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] About communalism and non communalism--please see my writeup as lot peole accuse Islamists of communalism--please circulate
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 4:58 PM

Regardless of our opinions about "Disrespecting the holy Qur'an", we should NOT allow average people getting into the business of punishment. Mob rule never brings anything good for any population. Despite my respect for the holy Qur'an, I do NOT support "Mob justice". No so called "Islamist party" should support such attacks on religious places. While it has been a command of Allah (SWT) to Muslims to stay away from such practices.

At the same time, I like to slightly differ with member Roy as well. Do understand Islam is a religion which addresses and acknowledges "Natural laws of human". When we live in a country consisting of around 85% Muslim population, insulting holy  book of Islam does NOT promote harmony among people. Therefore, it makes the security situation more risky. Do understand MOST Muslims do not respond to such "provocation" violently. But even if a tiny minority reacts, that can cause law and order situation. For example, if I slaughter a cow in front of Victoria memorial (In Kolkata), there is a good chance most people will hurt and tolerate it. At the SAME TIME, it is almost guaranteed that I am simply inviting some "Ass kicking" here. You try to say awful things about the "Christianity" in the Bible belt of America, you will surely get your "Ass whipped" by more than a minority population.

Therefore, in principal I agree that, Allah (SWT) will surely punish the people who insult His holy book for humanity. At the same time for practical purpose I would not encourage such idiotic behavior from anyone. We should think bring people closer and live in harmony. We are more than enough troubles and challenges in front of us. There is no good reason to encourage idiots to bring chaos into this tiny country of ours.


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 11:42 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] About communalism and non communalism--please see my writeup as lot peole accuse Islamists of communalism--please circulate

"কুরআনের অসম্মান মুসলিম জাতির কাছে অসহ্য একটি বিষয়"

 
Hannan Saheb,
 
Why is mistreatment of Quran so intolerable to Muslims?
 
If Muslims believe Quran is the wills of  Allah, they have nothing to worry about when someone mistreats Quran; Allah will punish those violators in the Day of Judgment. When someone commits sin, the duty of a religious person is to point it out and advise the sinner to change the course. That's all. The rest is up to the sinner.
 
Do you think Allah will be satisfied with the punishment you render to the sinner? Do you think the sinner will go to Behestah (Heaven) after you deliver the punishment for the sin? I don't think so. What you are doing is punishing the sinner for nothing; he will be punished again for the same crime when he faces Allah. It's a redundant punishment you are rendering. My friend, I want you to propagate this message to the ignorant people, who participated in the carnage. 
 
If you consider mistreatment of Quran is so intolerable offense to Muslims - that justifies attacking the person who mistreats Quran also, which you are trying to denounce. You cannot have both ways. I expect better interpretation from you.
 
I am sure - all Muslims are not following all of the wills of Allah, as written in the Quran. You can't do anything about those violators, and you don't need to also - because Allah will punish them in the Day of Judgment. Why can't you have the same justice to non-Muslim violators? Why is this double standard?
 
Jiten Roy
 

--- On Sun, 12/2/12, SAHANNAN <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:

From: SAHANNAN <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] About communalism and non communalism--please see my writeup as lot peole accuse Islamists of communalism--please circulate
To: puspitadr@gmail.com, dahuk@yahoogroups.com, khabor@yahoogroups.com, mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, "'sahannan sahannan'" <sahannan@yahoogroups.com>, "'lutful bari'" <lutfulb2000@yahoo.com>, zahid_du003@yahoo.co.uk, nibulbul2006@yahoo.com, mrkarim_80@yahoo.com, monjucp@yahoo.co.in, maftabuzzaman@gmail.com, "'NAZMUS SAKIB NIRJHOR'" <nirjhor019@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 9:11 AM

 
About communalism and non communalism--please see my write-up as lot of people  accuse Islamists of communalism.
 

সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা

শাহ আবদুল হান্নান

কক্সবাজারের রামুতে দু'টি অত্যন্ত দুঃখজনক ঘটনা ঘটেছে। একটি হচ্ছে ফেসবুকে উত্তম কুমার বড়য়ার অ্যাকাউন্টে কুরআনের এক চিত্র, যার ওপর একজন নারী পা দিয়ে রেখেছে। দ্বিতীয়ত, এর প্রতিক্রিয়ায় রামুর বৌদ্ধ গ্রামে হামলা এবং কয়েকটি বৌদ্ধ উপাসনালয় পুড়িয়ে দেয়া। দু'টি ঘটনাই ক্ষমার অযোগ্য। কুরআনের অসম্মান মুসলিম জাতির কাছে অসহ্য একটি বিষয়। অন্য দিকে একদল মুসলিমের প্রতিক্রিয়ায় বৌদ্ধপল্লীতে হামলা কোনো বিচারেই মেনে নেয়া যায় না। ইসলামেও এর কোনো স্থান নেই। জন্য বাংলাদেশের সব ইসলামি দল এর বিরুদ্ধে বিবৃতি দিয়েছে। অক্টোবর ডেইলি স্টারের রিপোর্টে দেখা যায়, একটি ফোন রিপেয়ারের দোকান থেকে এর সূত্রপাত। দোকানের মালিক উমর ফারুক উত্তম কুমার বড়য়ার ফেসবুকের অ্যাকাউন্টে কুরআনের অপমানজনক ছবিটি দেখেন। খবর অন্যরা জানলে তারা তার কাছে কপি চান। ফারুক ছবিটির কপি তাদের দেন। পরে আরো লোক এসে ছবি চান। ফারুক দিতে না চাইলেও শেষ পর্যন্ত দিতে বাধ্য হন। এভাবেই ছবিটি ছড়িয়ে পড়ে। পরবর্তীকালে লোকজন একত্র হয়ে মিছিল করে এবং একসময় বৌদ্ধপল্লীতে হামলা চালায়।

আমি রিপোর্ট থেকে বুঝতে পেরেছি উত্তম কুমার বড়য়ার ফেসবুক থেকে ছবিটি ছড়িয়ে পড়ায় হঠা উত্তেজনায় দুর্ঘটনা ঘটে, যা নিঃসন্দেহে নিন্দনীয়। এতে কোনো রাজনৈতিক দল বা ইসলামিক দল বা রোহিঙ্গারা জড়িত নয়; যদিও সরকারের ভেতরের এবং বাইরের কিছু লোক ঘটনার জন্য রোহিঙ্গা এবং বিভিন্ন রাজনৈতিক ইসলামি দলকে দায়ী করছেন। বিশেষ করে সরকারের এটা করা উচিত নয়।

ঘটনাকে কেন্দ্র করে সেকুলার বামের কিছু লোক নতুন করে সাম্প্রদায়িকতার অভিযোগ তুলছেন যে, এটা সম্প্রদায়িক চেতনার জন্য হচ্ছে। এটা সেকুলার বামের পুরনো রোগ। আর যারা বাংলাদেশের রাজনীতির সাথে পরিচিত তারা জানেন যে, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা বলতে বাম সেকুলাররা ইসলাম, ইসলামি দল, ইসলামপ্রীতি ইসলামি রাষ্ট্র দাবির প্রতি ইঙ্গিত করে থাকেন এরা ইসলামি দল নিষিদ্ধ করা চান, শিক্ষায় ইসলামের কোনো স্থান চান না।

পরিপ্রেক্ষিতে সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা সম্পর্কে কিছু আলোচনা করব। সমাজতত্ত্বে বা সোসিওলজিতে সম্প্রদায় (কমিউনিটি, সোসাইটি) একটি পজিটিভ পরিভাষা। এর মাধ্যমে বিভিন্ন জনগোষ্ঠীকে বোঝানো হয়। সমাজতত্ত্বে এটা কোনো নিন্দনীয় পরিভাষা নয়। সমাজে সম্প্রদায় থাকবে। সব সম্প্রদায়ের অধিকার রয়েছে তার বিশ্বাস মোতাবেক চলার এবং কর্মসূচি নেয়ার। মুসলিমসমাজ বা সম্প্রদায়েরও একই অধিকার। ইসলাম একই সাথে একটি ধর্ম জীবনব্যবস্থা। তাই মুসলমানেরা যেখানে সংখ্যাগরিষ্ঠ, সেখানে তাদের ইসলামি সমাজ বা রাষ্ট্র গঠন করার সব ধরনের চেষ্টা করা তাদের অধিকার। এটাকে সাম্প্রদায়িক চেতনা বলে নিন্দা করা যায় না। অসাম্প্রদায়িক অর্থ যার কোনো সম্প্রদায় নেই। তার মানে তার কোনো আদর্শ নীতিবোধ নেই। ধরনের নীতিহীনতা নীতিহীন লোক দিয়ে কোনো কল্যাণ হতে পারে না।

এসব শব্দের ভুল ব্যবহার করা হচ্ছে। বিশেষ করে ইসলামকে রাষ্ট্রীয় সামাজিক ক্ষেত্র থেকে হটিয়ে দেয়ার জন্য। সবাই কমিউনিস্ট নয়, তবু কমিউনিস্ট পার্টি করলে তাকে সাম্প্রদায়িক বলা হয় না। সবাই সেকুলার নয়, তবু সেকুলার পার্টি করলে তাকে সাম্প্রদায়িক বলা হয় না। তাহলে ইসলামি দলের ক্ষেত্রে তা কেন বলা হবে?

সবশেষে রামুর ঘটনার শিক্ষা কী? প্রথমত, ধর্মগ্রন্থের অবমাননা করা যাবে না। তার ফলাফল ভালো হবে না। দ্বিতীয়ত, উত্তেজনার বশে নিরীহ লোকদের ওপর হামলা করা যাবে না। যারা এসব করবে তাদের যথাযথ শাস্তি ভোগ করতে হবে। ধরনের ক্ষেত্রে সরকারি এজেন্সিগুলোকে দ্রুত ব্যবস্থা নিতে হবে। রামুর ক্ষেত্রে এরা দেরিতে কাজ করেছে, যার ফলে অনেক বাড়ি ধর্মস্থান ক্ষতিগ্রস্ত হয়েছে।

শব্দের ব্যবহারের ক্ষেত্রে সাবধান হতে হবে। সাম্প্রদায়িকতার অভিযোগে যারা দায়ী নয়, তাদের দায়ী করা যাবে না। আমাদের অসাম্প্রদায়িক চেতনাবোধ নয়, ধর্মীয় সহিষ্ণুতার প্রচার-প্রসার ঘটাতে হবে।

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