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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: নির্বাচনে আ’লীগ হারলে ভারত চিরদিনের জন্য বিশ্বস্ত বন্ধু হারাবে : টেলিগ্রাফের প্রতিবেদন



Let the fools dream of demise of Awami League and Hasina.  Events would prove their dream as nightmare.


On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Husainy, Mozammel <meh@husainy.net> wrote:
 

It's a waste of energy and time to worry about India now. It is incumbent on any patriotic  politician to take the high road and participate in the political process, stand for election under any circumstances. It is my sincere desire that BNP does not boycott the general election. They should focus on positive campaign and be ready to engage AL in the electoral showdown. Had BNP politicians were not super sensitive to all the under handed tactics of AL and actually showed up in the parliament then the constitutional amendment would have never happened. There is still plenty of opportunity for BNP and the coalition to free the nation from impending autocratic governance of one party which risks the economic and territorial sovereignty of BD, and minimizes the value of human lives. One thing we can not afford is a blood bath and chaos running up to the election. 

-Mozammel 

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On Sep 12, 2013, at 1:22 PM, "Shahadat Hussaini" <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com> wrote:

What it means that BAL wil have the fate of Muslim League of 1954. In 1954 the ML's life was over in the political arena of the then East Bengal by United Front led by Shere Bangla (parties were AL + Krishak Proja Party + Nezame Islam). In that election AL had the most seats. "History repeat itself" will prove again.
 
Shahadat Suhrawardy
 

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:02:15 +0600
Subject: নির্বাচনে আ'লীগ হারলে ভারত চিরদিনের জন্য বিশ্বস্ত বন্ধু হারাবে : টেলিগ্রাফের প্রতিবেদন
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নির্বাচনে আ'লীগ হারলে ভারত চিরদিনের জন্য বিশ্বস্ত বন্ধু হারাবে : টেলিগ্রাফের প্রতিবেদন

For India, much seems to be at stake.The 'India factor' is ruining her electoral prospects .If the political deadlock is broken and the BNP participates in the polls and beats the Awami League, India would have lost a trusted friend — and forever.
বাংলাদেশের রাজনৈতিক অচলাবস্থার নিরসন হলে বিএনপি যদি নির্বাচনে অংশ নেয় ও আওয়ামী লীগকে পরাজিত করে তবে ভারত চিরদিনের জন্য এক বিশ্বস্ত বন্ধুকে হারাবে।

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130910/jsp/opinion/story_17329091.jsp#.UjFsrX8saSo,
http://www.newsevent24.com/2013/09/11/নির্বাচনে-আ-লীগ-হারলে-ভার/

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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Here it is, people. The worm in the apple pie.



Silence in 1945 may not preclude being vocal in 2013. Silence in the face of ouster of Morsi has been welcome well in many quarters. The big powers will do whatever they will need to do. Some actions will favor some and some actions will hurt the others. Some will watch the shows. 

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On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:21 AM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:

 

The most quotable quote from John Kerry is, "This is not the time to be silent spectators to slaughter".
But Johnny, how can we be vocal now after remaining silent since 1945 when you killed more than 150,000 Japanese with your ultimate weapon of mass destruction, slaughtered tens of thousands of Vietnamese (north and south) with your napalm bombs, killed and still killing innumerable Palestinians with your buddy Israel using incendiary bombs, killed and maimed tens of thousands of Iraqis with your depleted uranium ammunition and the list may go on? We have lost our voice, Johnny, sorry.


From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 23:09
Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: Here it is, people. The worm in the apple pie.

 
  Meanwhile, back in the twists and treacheries of Pipelinestan . . .


Subject: Here it is, people. The worm in the apple pie.
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:48:58 +0600

Obama's Gaseous Nonsense

Striking Russia Through Syria

by LINH DINH

We're witnessing the last grotesque convulsions of a dying empire. As it threatens humanity with annihilation, it's also nauseating the still sane among us with an unending farce, as in the hypocrite Kerry declaring, "this is not the time to be silent spectators to slaughter," but John, you lying cynic, the world has been asked to be a mute audience to American mass murder for how long now? But Johnny wants more, much more.Feigning outrage, the former anti-war darling and Democratic Presidential candidate was talking about the Syria chemical attack, which was likely the work of America itself, through its crazed terrorists, though Washington is trying hard to convince incredulous listeners that Assad somehow did this just so the US of A could have the excuse to destroy him, along with thousands of innocent Syrians. Putin called this explanation nonsense, and even branded Kerry a liar, and the UN has even concluded that an earlier chemical attack, also blamed on Assad, was committed by the American-backed "rebels."

As in so many other wars, the US must save civilians by killing or maiming them, as well as poisoning their environments for centuries. Though the US routinely targets civilian infrastructures such as electrical stations and water treatment plants, and uses war means that murder long after the last bullet is fired, as in cluster bombs and depleted uranium, for example, it is now acting livid over Assad's alleged use of sarin.


But in his ketchup-bleeding heart, Kerry knows full well that America's aggression against Syria is not over sarin but natural gas. First of, Syria's biggest supporter, Russia, is the world's leading exporter of this stuff, and supplies Europe with nearly 40% of its needs, so that's a lot of leverage, Watson. If overly irked by America's puppets in NATO, Russia can retaliate by turning off the gas, as has been done several times already.


To wiggle out of this dependence, another source of natural gas was needed, and Qatar proposed a pipeline to Europe by way of Syria, except Assad would not acquiesce. Russia is Assad's main protector, after all, and Russian navy ships have docked in the Syrian port of Tartus since 1971. Rebuffed, the US, France, England, Germany, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and others decided to back terrorists to unseat Assad. Aiming to destroy Syria, this charming group calls itself the Friends of Syria, naturally. A long time enemy of Syria, Israel also supports this hostility, though its escalation might just wipe a good chunk of this pariah state off the map.


Syria has agreed to a pipeline originating from Iran, however. A much less significant source of natural gas than Qatar, Iran will hardly dent Russia's profits, and since it's also a Russian ally, the gas flow to Europe will still be controlled by Moscow. So Russia has Europe by the balls, so to speak, especially in winter, when enough people freeze to death as is. Many countries are entirely dependent on Russian natural gas, while France only imports a manageable 14%, and the UK, none, so they can afford to kiss Uncle Sam's withered ass a bit harder, though the Brits, interestingly this time, have opted out of the current madness.


A war on Syria, then, is an attack on Russia itself, and that's why Russian warships are patrolling the Mediterranean. Countering the American menace, Russia will certainly be no silent spectator, and to show support for Russia and Syria, a Chinese warship has also shown up, with more coming. Though Washington talks of a "warning shot across the bow" or "tailored strike," a quickie hit and run that won't distract too much from the exhilarating start of football season, World War III might just erupt, for we haven't been this close to universal calamity in half a century.


Two weeks ago, only 9% of Americans favored a military strike against Syria, but now, with such an onslaught of propaganda, up to 42% support it, but this figure might be exaggerated since it is reported by NBC News, until recently a subsidiary of war profiteering General Electric.


Voices of dissent have surfaced even in the mainstream media, however, for wiser heads can't help but realize that a war against Syria and Russia will bring much grief and terror to us all, including those busy watching a missed tackle or punt return. The New York Times even showed on its front page a photo of Syrian "rebels" about to execute kneeling, shirtless prisoners, with their heads close to the ground. Much more damning images exist, and the Times has surely known about them, but it is choosing to feature this now, as if to put the kibosh on Obama and his war mongers. CNN televised war nut McCain being challenged by outraged citizens at a town meeting, though it did allow the old POW to have the last word in a live interview.


As America oscillates over its death wish, Obama himself is blinking, and we can only hope that Barack will just go on unleashing unnatural, gaseous nonsense, and not Tomahawk missiles towards Damascus. It's hard to believe, but this man has turned out to be more preposterous than Bush, so if the trend holds, our next President will be a Mummer, some Lucha Libre guy or, why not, a real rodeo clown. In any case, it was quite a spectacle to see Obama fly to Russia to become Putin's court jester, for he delivered one joke after another, most of them unintended.


En route to Saint Petersburg, Obama stopped in Sweden, and there, promised that he would bug Putin about Raoul Wallenberg, a Swedish diplomat who died in Soviet custody in 1945. The Nobel Peace laureate never wastes a chance to appear humanitarian and noble, and the Swedes had also done him a favor by prosecuting Assange over that CIA-staged threesome, but the real reason Obama dug up this man, one suspects, was to draw a parallel between Wallenberg's protection of Jews in World War II with himself trying to "save" Syrians today. Brilliant! He's evoking this famous saver of Jews to mass murder more Arabs. In the process, though, he will trigger the deaths of countless others, maybe even you.


Linh Dinh is the author of two books of stories, five of poems, and a novel, Love Like Hate. He's tracking our deteriorating socialscape through his frequently updated photo blog, State of the Union.
















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Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা




Jefferson is said to have said, "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
 
The question is whether Mujib was a tyrant. The question is also whether people or a just a few as a part of a conspiracy hatched nationally and internationally took arms in their hands. One should also ask with what agenda this small group killed Mujib and captured power. Why did a group of freedom fighters, for example, change the name "Bangladesh Betar" to "Radio Bangladesh"? Why did they choose Mustaque to lead the country? How come some countries including Saudi Arabia realize that at last time had come to recognize Bangladesh? Is the conspiracy theory that the group of freedom fighters who led (Col. Faruqur Rahman---was he a freedom fighter?) the coup had infiltrated the freedom fighters not tenable? 
 
Now let me say a few words on formation of BKSAL. Personally I was against it. But the rule was justified by majority (although a brute one) in the parliament. It was not only AL who was in BKSAL. Even Ataur Rahman Khan joined BKSAL. Ziaur Rahman did not resign, he rather tried hard to get involved in the new system. The calm that we observed in Dhaka did not mean consent by silence. As a part of the then public, that is what I felt. Kader Siddiquey started organizing to fight. Our coward and unsure leaders failed to respond on time. The cunning Mustaque played pretty well although he faced strong protest by Nur-e-Alam Siddiquey within the parliament. Even the so called heroes of the coup could not feel secure and welcome.         

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 

You need to think politically, not academically, Dr. Rahman. Politics is not academic exercise, it's all about reality on the ground, and 4th dimension (time) is very critical in politics. Sheikh Mujib's decision to form BAKSAL needs to be analyzed using all four dimensions.
 
You are talking about corrupt people around Sheikh Mujib. Who were those corrupt people? They were not some petty criminals; every one had political sphere of influence. When you sack one of those people from your party, you need some good ones to fill the void; otherwise, you will weaken your political party. The political reality in Bangladesh is that – expelled ones from one party find red-carpet welcome in other parties. This is possible only because of  total ignorance of the public. The only way you can punish corrupt people is when people and media demand punishment for them. Bangladesh is not a place to expect such public outcry.  
 
The advantage of the one party rule is that - you have many more good apples to choose from to replace those bad ones, and bad ones have nowhere to go, but to the waste basket. I believe - that was his goal in forming the BAKSAL. Just think about this – most nationalist Bangladeshi political, academic, and scientific elites joined hands in BAKSAL with a single mission to rebuild Bangladesh. You need a personality, like Mujib, to make that event a reality. This was once in a lifetime event, which can never be repeated, ever. Bangladesh, as well as Bangalee-Jati, has lost such a golden opportunity. When I hear criticism of formation of BAKSAL from some people, it raises question about their intellectual maturity. It's easy to say many things from outside, but difficult to follow through when you are inside.
 
I remember that day when teachers and students of Dhaka University were getting ready to join BAKSHAL ceremoniously. I was just getting dressed up to go to the TSC auditorium to join them, when I overheard the radio broadcast of the dreadful message. That message marked the beginning of the downfall of Bangladesh.
 
Even though I did not like Sheikh Mujib personally for many of his comments about religious minorities, who he used to refer as Malauns, but - I will not be able to question his love for Bangalee-Jati and Bangladesh. I have a feeling from your comments that - you have no first-hand experience of those days. Most of what you are saying appears to be coming from shallow understanding of the overall situation at the time. I could be wrong. 
  
Jiten Roy

From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Mr Jiten Roy,

I agree with the sentiments you expressed, but I differ on the reasoning. 

You said that when Sheikh Mujib could not control corruption (because of the 'chamchas') he changed the democratic structure of the country - multiparty system to one party system. Do you want me to believe that was the motive? Did he ever try to control corrupt individuals, remove them from positions of authority, punish them etc? Everyone, even the lowly rickshaw wallas, at that time could tell you who those corrupt individuals are and Sheikh Mujib did not take a single step to rectify the situation. In fact, the top corrupt individuals used to live with him, they came from his family, they had day to day dealings with him and hence people assumed that they had his blessings in what they were doing. Nobody could touch them because they were the authority, the power. If he would have punished just a few of them, fear would have gone down the spine of other corrupt people and things would have improved tremendously.

In the context of that situation, when people saw that BAKSAL was formed suspending democratic rights and they would not even be given the opportunity to dissent and protest against the corruption in the government, what would you do? All your avenues were closed then. In that situation, some freedom fighters took things in their own hands and committed those atrocities. As I said before, I am not condoning their actions at all. But I appreciate the predicament they faced at that time. 

I do not agree with your assessment that people were so absolutely numb and stricken bound by this awful event that they could not contemplate any protest, any dissent and hence there was no show of sympathy after the event. The fact is people had the silent support. You may recall that immediately after the brutal crackdown by the Pakistani military (killing my colleagues at Dhaka University staff quarters and in the Jagannath Hall), people did rise up and protest. But nothing like that did ever happen after Sheikh Mujib's killing.

Yes, democracy is unsuitable to a country like Bangladesh. But Sheikh Mujib was no benevolent dictator. He was neither benevolent nor dictator. He was a medieval autocrat trying to run the country in the late 20th century whimsically. The corruption that he tolerated and dare I say nurtured has gone into the psyche of the nation and is in full flourish now. His daughter now is following the practices (creating 'chamchas', let 'chamchas' go wild etc) her father created and Bangladesh bleeds. I will say no more.

- Anis Rahman 

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 0:15
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 

Dr. Rahman said: ".....Did Sheikh Mujibur Rahman do anything to rectify the situation? Did he reign in his corrupt nephews and other relations? Did he stop importing new cars and divert the money to import basic food products? No, No, No, No. His solution was to ditch the only democratic institution that existed at that time - the multiparty system - and replace it with a single party dictatorial system (BAKSAL)...."

I am not sure if you were there, but I was. In order to judge the existing political condition at the time, you have to be there, because much of the history has been distorted in the aftermath of 1975. Your comments indicate that you subscribe to the distorted facts. You seem to support killings of most decorated leaders of the country, which made Bangladesh orphan and leaderless. The country is still leaderless, Dr. Rahman.

You said Sheikh Mujib killed democracy by creating one political party. Obviously - democracy is preferable to one party rule, but - was democracy a right system for Bangladesh at the time? Let's analyze.
Bangladesh did not have a functioning economy after the independence; on top of that - a devastating flood engulfed Bangladesh right after the independence.  USA delayed committed shipment of grains and humanitarian aid, probably because - Bangladesh was in the Soviet-bloc at the time. Delayed shipment of grains created a food scarcity, which resulted famine and mass starvation. Your notion that - Sheikh Mujib did nothing to mitigate the food crisis - was just incorrect.
 
Mujib was not happy with such food-politics, and he was also very unhappy with the corrupt people (Chamchas) around him. In many occasions, he said – "Whatever I bring by begging abroad are sucked out by the corrupt Chamchas." So, he decided to consolidate all powers in his hand. His goal was to make Bangladesh self-sufficient in food as fast as possible. He wanted to empower down-trodden people, instead of Chamchas. That was the idea behind the creation of Bangladesh Krishak Sramik Awami League (BAKSAL). I was not a supporter of Awami League, but his decision made sense to me at the time. It was obviously a socialist system, which had a chance to succeed in Bangladesh.  It was an appropriate social system for a newly independent country, engulfed in famine. Organizing farmers to encourage collective farming and sharing national wealth among citizens were panaceas to move the famine stricken newly independent country forward. A benevolent nationalist dictatorship in the earlier stage could have been a much better system for Bangladesh, and Sheikh Mujib was that nationalist benevolent dictator the country needed at that time. But, international conspiracy against Bangladesh won.
 
You can decry for democracy, but that's just a political rhetoric. Democracy cannot work in a country with vastly uneducated ignorant population. You need peoples' constructive input in the democratic system; you are not getting that from the people of Bangladesh. As a result - rampant corruption by politicians can flourish. Political corruption breeds in an environment when people do not know how to hold politicians accountable for their misdeeds. In Bangladesh, only corrupt politicians can succeed. Just look around and see if this assumption is correct or not.
 
Here we are enjoying democracy for 38 years after Mujib-assassination; what did we get? Bangladesh is at the top of the list of most corrupt countries in the world. Wishing for something that we cannot handle could be detrimental to our interest. You need to be practical - if you want to get out of the mess - that was created after the assassination of Shekh Mujib. They got rid of all leaders, and Bangladesh is now leaderless country. I am not sure how you can defend such acts.
 
Yes, Dr. Rahman, you are right, no one protested at the time assassination of Sheikh Mujib, his family, and other leaders. I had that question in my mind at that time, and I scratched my head to find an answer to this question. The answer I found was convincing enough for me. I thought – country just witnessed the most unthinkable horrific terror with total shock and awe. Sheikh Mujib appeared to be invincible and almighty at that time; such a personality could face such a horrible destiny is beyond anyone's comprehension. Such thought sucked courage out of the people to protest against these atrocities. The utter silence on the part of the people, in no way can be translated into a tacit support for the perpetrators of such heinous acts. You said, foreign embassy took off the portrait of Sheikh Mujib to show their support for the assassination. It is a wrong assumption as well. They did so - out of panic and fear of reprisal.
 
Excuse me for such lengthy reply.
 
Jiten Roy

From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
What Jiten Roy had said is absolutely true, but they are only relevant in a civilised society where rule of law prevails, decent human behaviour exists. None of these things prevailed in Bangladesh in the mid 1970s. Where was your high moral (political) ground when people had been dying of starvation in the streets of Dhaka and other cities in droves (worst famine since 1940s Bengal famine), people had been going around naked because of lack of one piece of cloth, when political elites in Dhaka were having endless gorgeous parties, corruption and cronyism were rampant, the law and order situation broke down completely? Did Sheikh Mujibur Rahman do anything to rectify the situation? Did he reign in his corrupt nephews and other relations? Did he stop importing new cars and divert the money to import basic food products? No, No, No, No. His solution was to ditch the only democratic institution that existed at that time - the multiparty system - and replace it with a single party dictatorial system (BAKSAL) and he ordered all government officials, teachers of all educational establishments (schools, colleges and universities) etc to be registered members of this party. Some Dhaka university teachers were about to resign from their teaching positions than become political prostitutes. In a situation like that some well meaning patriots (who happen to be freedom fighters) took things in their own hands and undertook the most horrendous act of savagery, because they had no other option. All avenues were closed down for them and for everybody.That action by those junior army officers, although totally illegal and highly condemnable, should be seen in the light of the situation that existed at that time, not retrospectively in a benign situation from a foreign country. History may treat them (freedom fighters turned political assassins) more generously and with compassion than we are prepared to give them now.

Another point you high minded people might consider. Was there a single demonstration anywhere in the whole world after Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's assassination? None whatsoever. In Bangladesh High Commission in London government officials took out Mujib's portrait immediately quite happily and started saying almost voluntarily how disgusted they were with this man and he had got what he deserved! I detested that attitude then and I detest it now. Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was undoubtedly a great patriot, a great soul. But he had no right to destroy the basic foundation of the country. I honour him for his patriotism, but not for competence as the prime minister.  

Sukhamaya Bain had said that he was killed by a Bangladeshi within four years of independence. Do you remember that Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated within few months of independence? To say that people of Bangladesh should have started an underground political movement/party when Mujib's BAKSAL forbade them to have a political party before killing him is just ridiculous. It was not only loss of democratic right but also loss of livelihood of those people due to rampant corruption, black marketeering etc.

The situation in Bangladesh now has the uncanny resemblance to that of mid-1970s (although famine situation is luckily nonexistent). Corruption is rampant, but the present PM keeps saying: "Look, Look, there is no corruption in Bangladesh"! The country is run for the benefit of AL only, not for the people or the country. BNP would be even worse - because they will be as corrupt as the AL and then they will allow religious zealots take over the country. For Bangladesh, the future is not very bright.

- Anis Rahman
  (Dr A RAhman)    

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013, 23:44
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 

Mr. Anisur Rahman,
 
You have some fundamental flaws in your thoughts. You seem to think that a freedom-fighter has a right to take up justice in his hand, whenever he/she believes someone is taking the country in a wrong direction. That's just plain wrong line of thought.
 
Freedom-Fighter is a person who fought for the independence of the country. Once the country is free, his/her fight has ended. Now, he/she is a veteran freedom-fighter in the free country. His/her activities will be guided by the established laws of the country, just like any other citizen in the country.
 
If someone is acting against the interest of the free country, he/she is a traitor. Who will judge - if someone is a traitor or not? It will be the judicial system, not some veteran freedom-fighters, to make that determination. The patriotic duty of a veteran freedom-fighter would be to bring the traitor(s) to the justice system. A freedom-fighter does not have the impunity to take up laws in hand. This is, obviously, the norm in a civilized country. In Bangladesh, though, we have seen people entrust authority to run the country to proven traitors, who fought against the very independence of the country. Anything can happen in that country; a traitor could become a freedom-fighter, and a freedom-fighter could become a traitor. 
 
Jiten Roy
 

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
A freedom fighter killing innocent people during liberation war! Well, Mr. Rahman, no real freedom fighter kills innocent people on purpose. If he did that unintentionally, he would not be proud of it, he would certainly regret it later.
 
I will give you this. If a freedom fighter tortured a Paki soldier to a terribly painful death, I would understand that. For, the Paki soldier was likely to have committed the most heinous crimes on innocent people that the freedom fighter loved. But, I would certainly condemn it if a freedom fighter killed a Bihari child or raped a Bihari woman.
 
Mr. Rahman, are you talking about freedom fighters killing innocent people during the liberation war of 1971 to justify the killings of people like the 11 year old Sheikh Russel and the pregnant wife of Sheikh Moni in 1975? If so, please try to bring your mind to the world of decency and civilization.
 
As for Sheikh Mujibur Rahman destroying the country, you must be out of your mind. Mujib loved his country too much to do that. The barbarian cowards who murdered him had no record that could challenge Mujib on loving Bangladesh.
 
I would give you this. Mujib had his flaws on running the country, and on being the strong personality that he should have been. Among his major flaws was his softness toward the war criminals, due to his personal, familial and religious relationships with those criminals.
 
Mujib spent most of his life fighting for the rights of his people (Bangladeshis). If he were taking the country in the wrong direction, anyone would have had the right to start a new political party against his party. Even if BAKSAL were for banning other parties, an underground political movement should have operated for many years before contemplating the murder of Mujib. Isn't it too much of a shame on the people, if they were willing to kill him only four years after voting for him. Mind you, his popularity in toady's land of Bangladesh in 1970-71 probably broke all records in the world. To me, if Mujib deserved to be murdered in 1975, the voters of the 1970 East Pakistan (now Bangladesh)should be considered the world's stupidest people, who gave him an unprecedented mandate.
 
Democracy in Bangladesh is too much of a talk. There is no intra-party democracy in AL or BNP. For the most part, the head of the party dictates the party; they nominate their favorite people, including criminals, for election. Ordinary members have practically no say in who would be nominated from their party.

In any case, the criminals who murdered Mujib and his absolutely innocent family and associates in 1975 are indefensible in my book.

Sukhamaya Bain

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From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Dear Sukhamaya Bain,

It is quite easy to adopt a lofty legal position that no one is above the law and try to apply that legal standard to the blatantly corrupt situation that existed in Bangladesh in 1970s. In a normal, peaceful democratic society, a man committing a murder has, of course, no impunity at all, even if that man happens to be a freedom fighter. That goes without saying.

But consider the situation: that man may have killed many people, including many innocent people, during the course of his freedom fighting only a few years back. He did those activities for the sake of the country and he was acclaimed and honoured for his actions. Now after the liberation, to which he contributed enormously by killing people, if he found someone who was destroying the country which he helped to liberate and killed that anti-state person, was he guilty? He was just applying his patriotic zeal which he nurtured during his freedom fighting period. 

One must not put that freedom fighter in the category of a simple murderer and apply homicidal law verbatim. He did not kill someone for the sake of money or position. He killed a person, an elected leader for that matter who was out to destroy the very foundation of the State, to save the country. Is he not a patriot now, as he was a freedom fighter before?

I am not condoning political murders, far from it. But in a country where democracy is abused regularly then and now, accountability is totally non-existent and corruption is rampant, one should not just apply strict high more code verbatim. If all the elements of democracy would have been followed, then that situation which warranted such drastic step would not have arisen. So try to judge someone within that context, not outside it. That is my point.

Best wishes.

- Anis Rahman 

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013, 10:49
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
(To me, the obvious answer is that once a freedom fighter does not mean no punishment for criminal acts later

>>>>>>>> Fully agree. No one is above the law and no one should be going around killing people with impunity. Recently Shajib Wazed Joy spoke about our culture of impunity and I agree with his statement on state of Bangladesh. Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
The AL MP, Abdul Wadud Dwara, should have been able to respond to the question by the BNP MP, Nilofar Moni, in the talk show. The fact that the AL MP could not provide the obvious response probably just shows how poorly educated the Bangladeshi MPs are. Awami League, being the principal political party, should make serious efforts to recruit academically top-ranking and honest students in the colleges and universities to become future leaders of that party. Unfortunately, there are too many criminals and cronies that are part and parcel of that party now. This must change for a better Bangladesh.
 
(To me, the obvious answer is that once a freedom fighter does not mean no punishment for criminal acts later; and those soldiers had committed the most heinous and condemnable crime when they murdered an elected leader along with his family, including women and children, against whom even those criminals had no allegation other than they being related to Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.)
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 5:53 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Dear Russel,                 I was responding to Delwar Hussain's column in Shaptahik who was reacting to the disgusting suggestion of BNP MP Nilofar Moni at a TV talk-show.  Now read Mir Monaz' s response.Mir Monaz Haque
ইদানিং টিভি টক্ 'শো তে বিরোধী দলের নেতারা অভিযোগ করেন যে, বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা। তাই তাদের কেন রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদায় দাফন করা হয়নি, এই প্রশ্নটি তুলেছেন বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনির দল বিএনপির জাঁহাবাজ এমপি নিলোফার মণি। এই প্রশ্নের তীরটি তিনি আজ ছুড়ে দিয়েছেন টকশো তৃতীয় মাত্রায় অংশগ্রহণকারী প্রতিপক্ষ রাজশাহী অঞ্চল থেকে নির্বাচিত আওয়ামী লীগের এমপি আব্দুল ওয়াদুদ দারাকে। বাংলাদেশে মুক্তিযোদ্ধারা আওয়ামী লীগ দ্বারাই হয়েছেন সবচেয়ে বেশি নিপীড়িত ও নির্যাতিত। তার অন্যতম একটি উদাহরণ হলো বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনিদের রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদা না দেয়া। মণির এই প্রশ্নের জবাব যেমন এমপি দারা দিতে পারেননি তেমনি আমার অনেক অনুজ ভাই বোনদের ও জানা নেই, তাই নতুন প্রজন্মকে বলছি কেউ যদি আপনাদেরকে এই ধরনের প্রশ্ন করে > তখন তাদেরকে ইতিহাস পড়তে বলবেন, ওরা ইতিহাসে দারুন কাঁচা। ফরাসী বিপ্লবের কাহিনী পড়তে বলবেন, কারণ ফরাসী বিপ্লবকেই বলা হয় আধুনিক গণতন্ত্রের পূর্ণ শাসন ব্যবস্থা।রাজা লুই-১৬ কে হত্যা করে যে ফরাসী জাতি বিপ্লবের সুচনা করলো, আর কেন সেই রক্তক্ষয়ী বিপ্লবের পরে আবার সেই বিপ্লবের মূল নায়ক সয়ং রবিসপিয়েকে গিলোতিন এ জীবন দিতে হলো।ষড়যন্ আর সন্ত্রাস এর অভিযোগে দার্শনিক রুসোর আদর্শে আদর্শিত হয়েও ১৭৯৪ সনে (বিপ্লবের ২ বছর পরে) বিপ্লবী রবিসপিয়েকে ফরাসী ন্যাশনাল কনভেনশন ছাড়েনি। তাকেও রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যদায় দাফন করা হয়নি, যারা জাতির সাথে রাষ্ট্রের সাথে বেইমানি করে তাদের রাষ্ট্রীয় ভাবে দাফন হয় না, এটা ইতিহাস আমাদেরকে শেখায়। http://www.shaptahik.com/v2/index.php?DetailsId=8494&Comments=1&e=1

CC: bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:10:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা 
I can hardly find any person from that era who was not a freedom fighter. Even some dogs were fighting the war but I am  not sure who they were killing/targeting?

 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss


From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:38 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Very good, Delwar!  << বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা। তাই তাদের কেন রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদায় দাফন করা হয়নি, এই প্রশ্নটি তুলেছেন বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনির দল বিএনপির জাঁহাবাজ এমপি নিলোফার মণি। এই প্রশ্নের তীরটি তিনি আজ ছুড়ে দিয়েছেন টকশো তৃতীয় মাত্রায় অংশগ্রহণকারী প্রতিপক্ষ রাজশাহী অঞ্চল থেকে নির্বাচিত আওয়ামী লীগের এমপি আব্দুল ওয়াদুদ দারাকে। বাংলাদেশে মুক্তিযোদ্ধারা আওয়ামী লীগ দ্বারাই হয়েছেন সবচেয়ে বেশি নিপীড়িত ও নির্যাতিত। তার অন্যতম একটি উদাহরণ হলো বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনিদের রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদা না দেয়া। মণির এই প্রশ্নের জবাব যেমন এমপি দারা দিতে পারেননি তেমনি আমারও জানা নাই এই প্রশ্নের জবাব কিভাবে দেয়া যায়। >>
 


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Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা



I disagree with most of what Dr. Roy has opined below. We would never know if BAKSaL was the solution to Bangladesh's problems. However, there is no reason to believe that BAKSAL would have diminished corruption in Bangladesh.
 
No one in the history of Bangladesh had as much popularity as Mujib did. He was in the best possible strength of popularity to be able to kick out a lot of corrupt people from politics in Bangladesh. I do not see a good reason as to why he did not even attempt to do that. I think that was another of his major flaws.
 
Having said that, I think the leader who had the unprecedented popular support in 1970-71 deserved more time to try what he wanted to try for the future of Bangladesh. The short-cut of murdering him in 1975 was not done for a better future for the country; rather it was done for converting the country to another Pakistan. Calling those coward criminal murderers heroes is a shame, no doubt about that.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 

You need to think politically, not academically, Dr. Rahman. Politics is not academic exercise, it's all about reality on the ground, and 4th dimension (time) is very critical in politics. Sheikh Mujib's decision to form BAKSAL needs to be analyzed using all four dimensions.
 
You are talking about corrupt people around Sheikh Mujib. Who were those corrupt people? They were not some petty criminals; every one had political sphere of influence. When you sack one of those people from your party, you need some good ones to fill the void; otherwise, you will weaken your political party. The political reality in Bangladesh is that – expelled ones from one party find red-carpet welcome in other parties. This is possible only because of  total ignorance of the public. The only way you can punish corrupt people is when people and media demand punishment for them. Bangladesh is not a place to expect such public outcry.  
 
The advantage of the one party rule is that - you have many more good apples to choose from to replace those bad ones, and bad ones have nowhere to go, but to the waste basket. I believe - that was his goal in forming the BAKSAL. Just think about this – most nationalist Bangladeshi political, academic, and scientific elites joined hands in BAKSAL with a single mission to rebuild Bangladesh. You need a personality, like Mujib, to make that event a reality. This was once in a lifetime event, which can never be repeated, ever. Bangladesh, as well as Bangalee-Jati, has lost such a golden opportunity. When I hear criticism of formation of BAKSAL from some people, it raises question about their intellectual maturity. It's easy to say many things from outside, but difficult to follow through when you are inside.
 
I remember that day when teachers and students of Dhaka University were getting ready to join BAKSHAL ceremoniously. I was just getting dressed up to go to the TSC auditorium to join them, when I overheard the radio broadcast of the dreadful message. That message marked the beginning of the downfall of Bangladesh.
 
Even though I did not like Sheikh Mujib personally for many of his comments about religious minorities, who he used to refer as Malauns, but - I will not be able to question his love for Bangalee-Jati and Bangladesh. I have a feeling from your comments that - you have no first-hand experience of those days. Most of what you are saying appears to be coming from shallow understanding of the overall situation at the time. I could be wrong. 
  
Jiten Roy

From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Mr Jiten Roy,

I agree with the sentiments you expressed, but I differ on the reasoning. 

You said that when Sheikh Mujib could not control corruption (because of the 'chamchas') he changed the democratic structure of the country - multiparty system to one party system. Do you want me to believe that was the motive? Did he ever try to control corrupt individuals, remove them from positions of authority, punish them etc? Everyone, even the lowly rickshaw wallas, at that time could tell you who those corrupt individuals are and Sheikh Mujib did not take a single step to rectify the situation. In fact, the top corrupt individuals used to live with him, they came from his family, they had day to day dealings with him and hence people assumed that they had his blessings in what they were doing. Nobody could touch them because they were the authority, the power. If he would have punished just a few of them, fear would have gone down the spine of other corrupt people and things would have improved tremendously.

In the context of that situation, when people saw that BAKSAL was formed suspending democratic rights and they would not even be given the opportunity to dissent and protest against the corruption in the government, what would you do? All your avenues were closed then. In that situation, some freedom fighters took things in their own hands and committed those atrocities. As I said before, I am not condoning their actions at all. But I appreciate the predicament they faced at that time. 

I do not agree with your assessment that people were so absolutely numb and stricken bound by this awful event that they could not contemplate any protest, any dissent and hence there was no show of sympathy after the event. The fact is people had the silent support. You may recall that immediately after the brutal crackdown by the Pakistani military (killing my colleagues at Dhaka University staff quarters and in the Jagannath Hall), people did rise up and protest. But nothing like that did ever happen after Sheikh Mujib's killing.

Yes, democracy is unsuitable to a country like Bangladesh. But Sheikh Mujib was no benevolent dictator. He was neither benevolent nor dictator. He was a medieval autocrat trying to run the country in the late 20th century whimsically. The corruption that he tolerated and dare I say nurtured has gone into the psyche of the nation and is in full flourish now. His daughter now is following the practices (creating 'chamchas', let 'chamchas' go wild etc) her father created and Bangladesh bleeds. I will say no more.

- Anis Rahman 

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 0:15
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 

Dr. Rahman said: ".....Did Sheikh Mujibur Rahman do anything to rectify the situation? Did he reign in his corrupt nephews and other relations? Did he stop importing new cars and divert the money to import basic food products? No, No, No, No. His solution was to ditch the only democratic institution that existed at that time - the multiparty system - and replace it with a single party dictatorial system (BAKSAL)...."

I am not sure if you were there, but I was. In order to judge the existing political condition at the time, you have to be there, because much of the history has been distorted in the aftermath of 1975. Your comments indicate that you subscribe to the distorted facts. You seem to support killings of most decorated leaders of the country, which made Bangladesh orphan and leaderless. The country is still leaderless, Dr. Rahman.

You said Sheikh Mujib killed democracy by creating one political party. Obviously - democracy is preferable to one party rule, but - was democracy a right system for Bangladesh at the time? Let's analyze.
Bangladesh did not have a functioning economy after the independence; on top of that - a devastating flood engulfed Bangladesh right after the independence.  USA delayed committed shipment of grains and humanitarian aid, probably because - Bangladesh was in the Soviet-bloc at the time. Delayed shipment of grains created a food scarcity, which resulted famine and mass starvation. Your notion that - Sheikh Mujib did nothing to mitigate the food crisis - was just incorrect.
 
Mujib was not happy with such food-politics, and he was also very unhappy with the corrupt people (Chamchas) around him. In many occasions, he said – "Whatever I bring by begging abroad are sucked out by the corrupt Chamchas." So, he decided to consolidate all powers in his hand. His goal was to make Bangladesh self-sufficient in food as fast as possible. He wanted to empower down-trodden people, instead of Chamchas. That was the idea behind the creation of Bangladesh Krishak Sramik Awami League (BAKSAL). I was not a supporter of Awami League, but his decision made sense to me at the time. It was obviously a socialist system, which had a chance to succeed in Bangladesh.  It was an appropriate social system for a newly independent country, engulfed in famine. Organizing farmers to encourage collective farming and sharing national wealth among citizens were panaceas to move the famine stricken newly independent country forward. A benevolent nationalist dictatorship in the earlier stage could have been a much better system for Bangladesh, and Sheikh Mujib was that nationalist benevolent dictator the country needed at that time. But, international conspiracy against Bangladesh won.
 
You can decry for democracy, but that's just a political rhetoric. Democracy cannot work in a country with vastly uneducated ignorant population. You need peoples' constructive input in the democratic system; you are not getting that from the people of Bangladesh. As a result - rampant corruption by politicians can flourish. Political corruption breeds in an environment when people do not know how to hold politicians accountable for their misdeeds. In Bangladesh, only corrupt politicians can succeed. Just look around and see if this assumption is correct or not.
 
Here we are enjoying democracy for 38 years after Mujib-assassination; what did we get? Bangladesh is at the top of the list of most corrupt countries in the world. Wishing for something that we cannot handle could be detrimental to our interest. You need to be practical - if you want to get out of the mess - that was created after the assassination of Shekh Mujib. They got rid of all leaders, and Bangladesh is now leaderless country. I am not sure how you can defend such acts.
 
Yes, Dr. Rahman, you are right, no one protested at the time assassination of Sheikh Mujib, his family, and other leaders. I had that question in my mind at that time, and I scratched my head to find an answer to this question. The answer I found was convincing enough for me. I thought – country just witnessed the most unthinkable horrific terror with total shock and awe. Sheikh Mujib appeared to be invincible and almighty at that time; such a personality could face such a horrible destiny is beyond anyone's comprehension. Such thought sucked courage out of the people to protest against these atrocities. The utter silence on the part of the people, in no way can be translated into a tacit support for the perpetrators of such heinous acts. You said, foreign embassy took off the portrait of Sheikh Mujib to show their support for the assassination. It is a wrong assumption as well. They did so - out of panic and fear of reprisal.
 
Excuse me for such lengthy reply.
 
Jiten Roy

From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
What Jiten Roy had said is absolutely true, but they are only relevant in a civilised society where rule of law prevails, decent human behaviour exists. None of these things prevailed in Bangladesh in the mid 1970s. Where was your high moral (political) ground when people had been dying of starvation in the streets of Dhaka and other cities in droves (worst famine since 1940s Bengal famine), people had been going around naked because of lack of one piece of cloth, when political elites in Dhaka were having endless gorgeous parties, corruption and cronyism were rampant, the law and order situation broke down completely? Did Sheikh Mujibur Rahman do anything to rectify the situation? Did he reign in his corrupt nephews and other relations? Did he stop importing new cars and divert the money to import basic food products? No, No, No, No. His solution was to ditch the only democratic institution that existed at that time - the multiparty system - and replace it with a single party dictatorial system (BAKSAL) and he ordered all government officials, teachers of all educational establishments (schools, colleges and universities) etc to be registered members of this party. Some Dhaka university teachers were about to resign from their teaching positions than become political prostitutes. In a situation like that some well meaning patriots (who happen to be freedom fighters) took things in their own hands and undertook the most horrendous act of savagery, because they had no other option. All avenues were closed down for them and for everybody.That action by those junior army officers, although totally illegal and highly condemnable, should be seen in the light of the situation that existed at that time, not retrospectively in a benign situation from a foreign country. History may treat them (freedom fighters turned political assassins) more generously and with compassion than we are prepared to give them now.

Another point you high minded people might consider. Was there a single demonstration anywhere in the whole world after Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's assassination? None whatsoever. In Bangladesh High Commission in London government officials took out Mujib's portrait immediately quite happily and started saying almost voluntarily how disgusted they were with this man and he had got what he deserved! I detested that attitude then and I detest it now. Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was undoubtedly a great patriot, a great soul. But he had no right to destroy the basic foundation of the country. I honour him for his patriotism, but not for competence as the prime minister.  

Sukhamaya Bain had said that he was killed by a Bangladeshi within four years of independence. Do you remember that Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated within few months of independence? To say that people of Bangladesh should have started an underground political movement/party when Mujib's BAKSAL forbade them to have a political party before killing him is just ridiculous. It was not only loss of democratic right but also loss of livelihood of those people due to rampant corruption, black marketeering etc.

The situation in Bangladesh now has the uncanny resemblance to that of mid-1970s (although famine situation is luckily nonexistent). Corruption is rampant, but the present PM keeps saying: "Look, Look, there is no corruption in Bangladesh"! The country is run for the benefit of AL only, not for the people or the country. BNP would be even worse - because they will be as corrupt as the AL and then they will allow religious zealots take over the country. For Bangladesh, the future is not very bright.

- Anis Rahman
  (Dr A RAhman)    

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013, 23:44
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 

Mr. Anisur Rahman,
 
You have some fundamental flaws in your thoughts. You seem to think that a freedom-fighter has a right to take up justice in his hand, whenever he/she believes someone is taking the country in a wrong direction. That's just plain wrong line of thought.
 
Freedom-Fighter is a person who fought for the independence of the country. Once the country is free, his/her fight has ended. Now, he/she is a veteran freedom-fighter in the free country. His/her activities will be guided by the established laws of the country, just like any other citizen in the country.
 
If someone is acting against the interest of the free country, he/she is a traitor. Who will judge - if someone is a traitor or not? It will be the judicial system, not some veteran freedom-fighters, to make that determination. The patriotic duty of a veteran freedom-fighter would be to bring the traitor(s) to the justice system. A freedom-fighter does not have the impunity to take up laws in hand. This is, obviously, the norm in a civilized country. In Bangladesh, though, we have seen people entrust authority to run the country to proven traitors, who fought against the very independence of the country. Anything can happen in that country; a traitor could become a freedom-fighter, and a freedom-fighter could become a traitor. 
 
Jiten Roy
 

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
A freedom fighter killing innocent people during liberation war! Well, Mr. Rahman, no real freedom fighter kills innocent people on purpose. If he did that unintentionally, he would not be proud of it, he would certainly regret it later.
 
I will give you this. If a freedom fighter tortured a Paki soldier to a terribly painful death, I would understand that. For, the Paki soldier was likely to have committed the most heinous crimes on innocent people that the freedom fighter loved. But, I would certainly condemn it if a freedom fighter killed a Bihari child or raped a Bihari woman.
 
Mr. Rahman, are you talking about freedom fighters killing innocent people during the liberation war of 1971 to justify the killings of people like the 11 year old Sheikh Russel and the pregnant wife of Sheikh Moni in 1975? If so, please try to bring your mind to the world of decency and civilization.
 
As for Sheikh Mujibur Rahman destroying the country, you must be out of your mind. Mujib loved his country too much to do that. The barbarian cowards who murdered him had no record that could challenge Mujib on loving Bangladesh.
 
I would give you this. Mujib had his flaws on running the country, and on being the strong personality that he should have been. Among his major flaws was his softness toward the war criminals, due to his personal, familial and religious relationships with those criminals.
 
Mujib spent most of his life fighting for the rights of his people (Bangladeshis). If he were taking the country in the wrong direction, anyone would have had the right to start a new political party against his party. Even if BAKSAL were for banning other parties, an underground political movement should have operated for many years before contemplating the murder of Mujib. Isn't it too much of a shame on the people, if they were willing to kill him only four years after voting for him. Mind you, his popularity in toady's land of Bangladesh in 1970-71 probably broke all records in the world. To me, if Mujib deserved to be murdered in 1975, the voters of the 1970 East Pakistan (now Bangladesh)should be considered the world's stupidest people, who gave him an unprecedented mandate.
 
Democracy in Bangladesh is too much of a talk. There is no intra-party democracy in AL or BNP. For the most part, the head of the party dictates the party; they nominate their favorite people, including criminals, for election. Ordinary members have practically no say in who would be nominated from their party.

In any case, the criminals who murdered Mujib and his absolutely innocent family and associates in 1975 are indefensible in my book.

Sukhamaya Bain

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From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Dear Sukhamaya Bain,

It is quite easy to adopt a lofty legal position that no one is above the law and try to apply that legal standard to the blatantly corrupt situation that existed in Bangladesh in 1970s. In a normal, peaceful democratic society, a man committing a murder has, of course, no impunity at all, even if that man happens to be a freedom fighter. That goes without saying.

But consider the situation: that man may have killed many people, including many innocent people, during the course of his freedom fighting only a few years back. He did those activities for the sake of the country and he was acclaimed and honoured for his actions. Now after the liberation, to which he contributed enormously by killing people, if he found someone who was destroying the country which he helped to liberate and killed that anti-state person, was he guilty? He was just applying his patriotic zeal which he nurtured during his freedom fighting period. 

One must not put that freedom fighter in the category of a simple murderer and apply homicidal law verbatim. He did not kill someone for the sake of money or position. He killed a person, an elected leader for that matter who was out to destroy the very foundation of the State, to save the country. Is he not a patriot now, as he was a freedom fighter before?

I am not condoning political murders, far from it. But in a country where democracy is abused regularly then and now, accountability is totally non-existent and corruption is rampant, one should not just apply strict high more code verbatim. If all the elements of democracy would have been followed, then that situation which warranted such drastic step would not have arisen. So try to judge someone within that context, not outside it. That is my point.

Best wishes.

- Anis Rahman 

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013, 10:49
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
(To me, the obvious answer is that once a freedom fighter does not mean no punishment for criminal acts later

>>>>>>>> Fully agree. No one is above the law and no one should be going around killing people with impunity. Recently Shajib Wazed Joy spoke about our culture of impunity and I agree with his statement on state of Bangladesh. Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
The AL MP, Abdul Wadud Dwara, should have been able to respond to the question by the BNP MP, Nilofar Moni, in the talk show. The fact that the AL MP could not provide the obvious response probably just shows how poorly educated the Bangladeshi MPs are. Awami League, being the principal political party, should make serious efforts to recruit academically top-ranking and honest students in the colleges and universities to become future leaders of that party. Unfortunately, there are too many criminals and cronies that are part and parcel of that party now. This must change for a better Bangladesh.
 
(To me, the obvious answer is that once a freedom fighter does not mean no punishment for criminal acts later; and those soldiers had committed the most heinous and condemnable crime when they murdered an elected leader along with his family, including women and children, against whom even those criminals had no allegation other than they being related to Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.)
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 5:53 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Dear Russel,                 I was responding to Delwar Hussain's column in Shaptahik who was reacting to the disgusting suggestion of BNP MP Nilofar Moni at a TV talk-show.  Now read Mir Monaz' s response.Mir Monaz Haque
ইদানিং টিভি টক্ 'শো তে বিরোধী দলের নেতারা অভিযোগ করেন যে, বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা। তাই তাদের কেন রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদায় দাফন করা হয়নি, এই প্রশ্নটি তুলেছেন বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনির দল বিএনপির জাঁহাবাজ এমপি নিলোফার মণি। এই প্রশ্নের তীরটি তিনি আজ ছুড়ে দিয়েছেন টকশো তৃতীয় মাত্রায় অংশগ্রহণকারী প্রতিপক্ষ রাজশাহী অঞ্চল থেকে নির্বাচিত আওয়ামী লীগের এমপি আব্দুল ওয়াদুদ দারাকে। বাংলাদেশে মুক্তিযোদ্ধারা আওয়ামী লীগ দ্বারাই হয়েছেন সবচেয়ে বেশি নিপীড়িত ও নির্যাতিত। তার অন্যতম একটি উদাহরণ হলো বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনিদের রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদা না দেয়া। মণির এই প্রশ্নের জবাব যেমন এমপি দারা দিতে পারেননি তেমনি আমার অনেক অনুজ ভাই বোনদের ও জানা নেই, তাই নতুন প্রজন্মকে বলছি কেউ যদি আপনাদেরকে এই ধরনের প্রশ্ন করে > তখন তাদেরকে ইতিহাস পড়তে বলবেন, ওরা ইতিহাসে দারুন কাঁচা। ফরাসী বিপ্লবের কাহিনী পড়তে বলবেন, কারণ ফরাসী বিপ্লবকেই বলা হয় আধুনিক গণতন্ত্রের পূর্ণ শাসন ব্যবস্থা।রাজা লুই-১৬ কে হত্যা করে যে ফরাসী জাতি বিপ্লবের সুচনা করলো, আর কেন সেই রক্তক্ষয়ী বিপ্লবের পরে আবার সেই বিপ্লবের মূল নায়ক সয়ং রবিসপিয়েকে গিলোতিন এ জীবন দিতে হলো।ষড়যন্ আর সন্ত্রাস এর অভিযোগে দার্শনিক রুসোর আদর্শে আদর্শিত হয়েও ১৭৯৪ সনে (বিপ্লবের ২ বছর পরে) বিপ্লবী রবিসপিয়েকে ফরাসী ন্যাশনাল কনভেনশন ছাড়েনি। তাকেও রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যদায় দাফন করা হয়নি, যারা জাতির সাথে রাষ্ট্রের সাথে বেইমানি করে তাদের রাষ্ট্রীয় ভাবে দাফন হয় না, এটা ইতিহাস আমাদেরকে শেখায়। http://www.shaptahik.com/v2/index.php?DetailsId=8494&Comments=1&e=1

CC: bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:10:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা 
I can hardly find any person from that era who was not a freedom fighter. Even some dogs were fighting the war but I am  not sure who they were killing/targeting?

 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss


From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:38 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা
 
Very good, Delwar!  << বঙ্গবন্ধুর হত্যাকারী ফারুক-রশীদ গং-এর সকলেই ছিলেন খাঁটি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা। তাই তাদের কেন রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদায় দাফন করা হয়নি, এই প্রশ্নটি তুলেছেন বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনির দল বিএনপির জাঁহাবাজ এমপি নিলোফার মণি। এই প্রশ্নের তীরটি তিনি আজ ছুড়ে দিয়েছেন টকশো তৃতীয় মাত্রায় অংশগ্রহণকারী প্রতিপক্ষ রাজশাহী অঞ্চল থেকে নির্বাচিত আওয়ামী লীগের এমপি আব্দুল ওয়াদুদ দারাকে। বাংলাদেশে মুক্তিযোদ্ধারা আওয়ামী লীগ দ্বারাই হয়েছেন সবচেয়ে বেশি নিপীড়িত ও নির্যাতিত। তার অন্যতম একটি উদাহরণ হলো বঙ্গবন্ধুর খুনিদের রাষ্ট্রীয় মর্যাদা না দেয়া। মণির এই প্রশ্নের জবাব যেমন এমপি দারা দিতে পারেননি তেমনি আমারও জানা নাই এই প্রশ্নের জবাব কিভাবে দেয়া যায়। >>
 


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