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Tuesday, October 22, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] Read and delete



Dear Profesor Roy:
I respect your disagreement with Marxism, but your statement, "Marxism has been tried various ways around the world (Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Eastern Europe, etc.); it did not work anywhere.", is not at all true. Marxian principles or call them, Marxism, was distorted much more than applied and for that Lenin was responsible. Marxism was not applied anywhere excepting in Paris Commune and
I would request you to read Paresh Chattopadhyay's 'Myth of Twentieth Century Socialism' Or at least, his' Two Approaches to Socialism: Marx Versus Lenin and Trotsky-
http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/7/3/6/6736569/chattopadhyay_marx_vs_lenin_countdown.doc.

Regards,

Sankar Ray


Sankar Ray
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I understand how a Capitalist system satisfies Malthusian principle, but - do not know or understand how an ultra-liberal proletarian system can satisfy that principle. I believe Marxism ignores Malthusian principle, and that's the death-nail of the Communism.
 
If I am wrong, please correct me. I will be extremely delighted if someone can provide me a convincing short contrary explanation to my understanding of Marxism.
 
As you know, Marxism has been tried various ways around the world (Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Eastern Europe, etc.); it did not work anywhere. Therefore, implementation fault is not the cause for the failure of the Marxism around the world.
 
This situation is exactly similar to that of religion, where believers always blame implementation fault, not religion.
 
As you know, religion is here to establish peace on earth, but it failed miserably to accomplish the goal. It has been introduced various ways around the world also, but failed everywhere. Yet, diehard proponents of religion always blame the implementation fault for the failure of the religion. 
 
Jiten Roy


On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:01 PM, Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com> wrote:
 

Marx for Christmas
 
Scholars around the world shall have a unique Christmas gift – The Oxford Handbook of the History of Communism (OHC). The book, enriched with 35 papers, has been edited by Steve Smith, professor of history at the European University Institute in Florence and currently senior research fellow at the All Souls College, University of Oxford.

In the preface, 'Towards a Global History of Communism', Smith says ingenuously that, "Communism was the twentieth century's most idealistic political experiment, yet major Communist regimes evolved into some of that century's most bloody tyrannies. At the peak of its influence in the 1970s, states purporting to espouse Communist principles (Leave aside the question of whether they were in any genuine sense 'Communist') governed about a third of the world's landmass. Throughout the colonial, post-colonial and underdeveloped worlds millions viewed such states with sympathy for having apparently broken with the injustices and inequalities of capitalism and big-power politics."

But Smith thinks "the Communist experiment was finished" in contrast to what a doyen among India's political theorists, Dr Randhir Singh, thinks: that the collapse of the once-mighty Soviet Union didn't mean the defeat of Marxism but the fall of 'official Marxism'. Small wonder then that Bloomberg News carried an opinion piece by George Magnus, captioned 'Give Karl Marx a Chance to Save the World Economy'.

According to Magnus, "The spirit of Marx has risen from the grave amid the financial crisis and subsequent economic slump. ...Today's global economy bears some uncanny resemblances to the conditions he foresaw".

The most theoretically significant paper is written by Prof Paresh Chattopadhyay, an outstanding Marx scholar, 'Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels on Communism'. Belonging to the Subcontinent and part of the teaching staff of the Department of Political Economy at Quebec University, Chattopadhyay is a member of the workshop (werkstatt) of the ongoing project of a 15-volume Historical-Critical Dictionary of Marxism under the sponsorship of Institut Fur Kritische Theorie, InkriT, Berlin.

Prof Chattopadhyay has the advantage of being comfortable with the French, Russian, German, Russian and Italian languages, something that helped him study the texts. After reading the first draft, Smith wrote candidly "Your erudition – across the range of Marx's writing and in various languages – is staggering and I learned a great deal that I didn't know before".

Among others who contributed to the invaluable treatise in the theoretical section on ideology – Marx and Engels in German Ideology warned the proletariat against ideologies and ideologues, arguing that "in all ideology, men and their circumstances appear upside down as in a camera obscura" – are Lars T Lih ('Lenin and Bolshevism'), Kevin McDermott ('Stalin and Stalinism') and Timothy Cheek 'Mao and Maoism').

Chattopadhyay takes up cudgels for the validity of Marx and his works, "The proletariat is the 'bad side' of the present society, and 'history moves by the bad side'", as Marx reminded Proudhon in 1847. Marx and Engels, he reminds, enunciated that the 'consciousness of the necessity of a profound revolution, the communist revolution, arises from this class itself'. Communism indeed is "the beginning, and not the end of human history".

But the top brass of Indian communist parties, the Communist Party of India (Marxist), Communist Party of India, and various Maoist groups of the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) and other so-called Marxist parties such as the Revolutionary Socialist Party of India have been lukewarm to the idea of this Oxford publication. The reasons are not difficult to guess.

Chattopadhyay is ranked among top Marxist scholars such as Maximilien Rubel, David Borisovich Riazanov (who discovered shelved texts like the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844, The German Ideology, Holy Family, Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy and Grundrisse), Anton Pannekoek, formulator of Council Communism, and Charles Bettelheim author of the four-volume Class Struggles in the USSR. Chattopadhyay has to his credit seminal works such as The Marxian Concept of Capital and the Soviet Experience and papers like 'Myth of Twentieth Century Socialism' and 'Two Approaches to Socialist Revolution: Marx Versus Lenin and Trotsky'.

Agonising as it may seem to those generations that gravitated to Marx through Lenin's works, Lenin's distortions of Marx did considerable damage to the possibilities of a proletarian revolution. For instance, Marx never stated that socialism is the lower stage of communism, but conceived socialism, communism, republic of labour, cooperative society, society of free and associated producers as interchangeable and synonymous. Lenin's formulations – namely, 'socialist state' or 'commune state' are brazen deviations from the fundamentals of Marx and Engels.

"The existence of the state is inseparable from the existence of slavery", Marx categorically stated in theCritical Notes on the Article: The King of Prussia and Social Reform. Lenin himself stated in his The State and Revolution that state and freedom are mutually exclusive. Not only Chattopadhyay, but Cyril Smith, Marcello Musto and other Marxist scholars who studied Marx and Engels in the original have stated unhesitatingly that all the so-called socialist states were actually capitalist states.

The attraction of the upcoming book for scholars – particularly Marxist scholars not adhering to the Leninist tradition – is irresistible. The first task before them and prosperity is to present Marx in the Marxist way.

The writer is a Kolkata-basedcontributor. Email: sankar.ray@gmail.com


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[mukto-mona] Three divorces every hour in Saudi Arabia ...



Three divorces every hour in Saudi Arabia

Religious scholars call for imposing mandatory training courses before marriage

  • By Habib Toumi Bureau Chief
  • Published: 13:56 October 21, 2013

Manama: Saudi Arabia has an average of three cases of divorce every hour, official figures indicate.

The total divorce cases recorded in 2012 were more than 30,000, an average of 82 a day and 3.4 an hour, according to a study published in local daily Al Eqtisadiya on Monday.

The figure was slightly higher than in 2011 when 29,800 couples filed for divorce and in 2010 with its 27,200 divorce cases, an average of 75 cases a day and 3.1 an hour.

The report, based on data released by the justice ministry, said that 90 per cent of the divorces occurred between Saudi husbands and Saudi wives.

Divorces among couples were neither of the spouses was a Saudi national constituted seven per cent of the total figures with 2,174 cases.

The figure among couples in which the husband was a Saudi citizen and the wife non-Saudi was two per cent with 575 cases while the number of divorce cases between Saudi wives and non-Saudi husbands was 207, or one per cent of the total number.

According to the study, the figures showed an average of 2.5 divorce cases for every 1,000 men aged above 15. The total number of males who were more than 15 years old in the kingdom in 2012 was 12 million.

The figure places Saudi Arabia second in the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), the alliance that brings together Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Bahrain topped the list with an average of 2.7 divorce cases for every 1,000 men aged above 15. Oman was third with an average of 1.9, followed by Qatar with 1.2. The study said that data for Kuwait and the UAE was not available.

Saudi authorities, alarmed by the high rate of divorce, have been pushing for a better approach by young couples to the concept of marriage with proper training and advice for matrimonial lives. Several religious scholars have also been calling for imposing mandatory training courses before marriage.



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Re: [mukto-mona] Why Evolution is True and Why Many People Still Don't Believe It



Subtle is the God, said Einstein.  In the eyes of faith mongers, however, shuttle is the God!


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:06 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
 

It's a very good video to watch, particularly for those who think (blindly) God created everything. 

- Anis Rahman

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Subject: [mukto-mona] Why Evolution is True and Why Many People Still Don't Believe It

 
"Faith" is a dangerous thing,  it blunts our intellect and cognitive ability of rational thinking.  It took Humans more than four hundred years (since the time of Copernicus ) to get ride of our Geocentric belief - in spite of all the scientific evidences against this age old belief.  At present, billions of people are perfectly comfortable believing 'Adam and Eve story' of creation, but they have trouble accepting scientific truth of Evolution - though every comfort of our today's life  is the product of  'scientific invention /discoveries' in one form or another.  
Their is a "inverse co-relation between religiosity and acceptance of evolution regardless of our affluence  and/ or academic/educational background". The greatest example  is the USA.  Though the US is one of the most developed countries of the world with very high literacy rate, because of 'it's" religiosity, the acceptance rate of  "evolution" among  general public in the US is ranked "33"  - just ahead of Turkey (ranked 34). The  US is one of the most religious country of the developed world,.
Please take your time and watch this wonderful lecture  of Professor Jerry Coyne: 

Why Evolution is True and Why Many People Still Don't Believe It https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW9G2YVtBYc






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Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: When Someone Needs You.......(worth a repeat)



The marine was performing his duty as a messenger.  Love and passion are much more intense, I suppose.


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 A nurse took the tired, anxious serviceman to the bedside.
 "Your son is here," she said to the old man.
 She had to repeat the words several times before the patient's eyes
 opened.
 Heavily sedated because of the pain of his heart attack, he
dimly saw

 the young uniformed Marine standing outside the oxygen tent. He
 reached out his hand. The Marine wrapped his toughened fingers
around
 the old man's limp ones, squeezing a message of love and
 encouragement.

 The nurse brought a chair so that the Marine could sit beside the bed.
 All through the night the young Marine sat there in the poorly lighted
 ward, holding the old man's hand and offering him words of love and
 strength. Occasionally, the nurse suggested that the Marine move away
 and rest awhile.
 He refused. Whenever the nurse came into the ward, the Marine was
 oblivious of her and of the night noises of the hospital - the
 clanking of the oxygen tank, the laughter of the night staff members
 exchanging greetings, the cries and moans of the other patients.
 Now and then she heard him say a few gentle words. The dying man said
 nothing, only held tightly to his son all through the night.
 Along towards dawn, the old man died. The Marine released the now
 lifeless hand he had been holding and went to tell the nurse. While
 she did what she had to do, he waited.
Finally, she returned. She started to offer words of sympathy, but the
 Marine interrupted her.
 "Who was that man?" he asked.
 The nurse was startled, "He was your father," she answered.
 "No, he wasn't," the Marine replied. "I never saw him before in my life."
 "Then why didn't you say something when I took you to him?"
 "I knew right away there had been a mistake, but I also knew he needed
 his son, and his
 son just wasn't here.

 When I realized that he was too sick to tell
 whether or not I was his son,
 knowing how much he needed me, I stayed."
 I came here tonight to find a Mr. William Grey.

 His son was killed in Iraq today, and I was sent to
 inform him. What was this gentleman's name?

 The Nurse with tears in her eyes answered:
 Mr. William Grey...

 The next time someone needs you ... just be there. Stay.





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I understand how a Capitalist system satisfies Malthusian principle, but - do not know or understand how an ultra-liberal proletarian system can satisfy that principle. I believe Marxism ignores Malthusian principle, and that's the death-nail of the Communism.
 
If I am wrong, please correct me. I will be extremely delighted if someone can provide me a convincing short contrary explanation to my understanding of Marxism.
 
As you know, Marxism has been tried various ways around the world (Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Eastern Europe, etc.); it did not work anywhere. Therefore, implementation fault is not the cause for the failure of the Marxism around the world.
 
This situation is exactly similar to that of religion, where believers always blame implementation fault, not religion.
 
As you know, religion is here to establish peace on earth, but it failed miserably to accomplish the goal. It has been introduced various ways around the world also, but failed everywhere. Yet, diehard proponents of religion always blame the implementation fault for the failure of the religion. 
 
Jiten Roy


On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:01 PM, Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com> wrote:
 

Marx for Christmas
Sankar Ray
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 (http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9-209449-Marx-for-Christmas)
 
Scholars around the world shall have a unique Christmas gift – The Oxford Handbook of the History of Communism (OHC). The book, enriched with 35 papers, has been edited by Steve Smith, professor of history at the European University Institute in Florence and currently senior research fellow at the All Souls College, University of Oxford.

In the preface, 'Towards a Global History of Communism', Smith says ingenuously that, "Communism was the twentieth century's most idealistic political experiment, yet major Communist regimes evolved into some of that century's most bloody tyrannies. At the peak of its influence in the 1970s, states purporting to espouse Communist principles (Leave aside the question of whether they were in any genuine sense 'Communist') governed about a third of the world's landmass. Throughout the colonial, post-colonial and underdeveloped worlds millions viewed such states with sympathy for having apparently broken with the injustices and inequalities of capitalism and big-power politics."

But Smith thinks "the Communist experiment was finished" in contrast to what a doyen among India's political theorists, Dr Randhir Singh, thinks: that the collapse of the once-mighty Soviet Union didn't mean the defeat of Marxism but the fall of 'official Marxism'. Small wonder then that Bloomberg News carried an opinion piece by George Magnus, captioned 'Give Karl Marx a Chance to Save the World Economy'.

According to Magnus, "The spirit of Marx has risen from the grave amid the financial crisis and subsequent economic slump. ...Today's global economy bears some uncanny resemblances to the conditions he foresaw".

The most theoretically significant paper is written by Prof Paresh Chattopadhyay, an outstanding Marx scholar, 'Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels on Communism'. Belonging to the Subcontinent and part of the teaching staff of the Department of Political Economy at Quebec University, Chattopadhyay is a member of the workshop (werkstatt) of the ongoing project of a 15-volume Historical-Critical Dictionary of Marxism under the sponsorship of Institut Fur Kritische Theorie, InkriT, Berlin.

Prof Chattopadhyay has the advantage of being comfortable with the French, Russian, German, Russian and Italian languages, something that helped him study the texts. After reading the first draft, Smith wrote candidly "Your erudition – across the range of Marx's writing and in various languages – is staggering and I learned a great deal that I didn't know before".

Among others who contributed to the invaluable treatise in the theoretical section on ideology – Marx and Engels in German Ideology warned the proletariat against ideologies and ideologues, arguing that "in all ideology, men and their circumstances appear upside down as in a camera obscura" – are Lars T Lih ('Lenin and Bolshevism'), Kevin McDermott ('Stalin and Stalinism') and Timothy Cheek 'Mao and Maoism').

Chattopadhyay takes up cudgels for the validity of Marx and his works, "The proletariat is the 'bad side' of the present society, and 'history moves by the bad side'", as Marx reminded Proudhon in 1847. Marx and Engels, he reminds, enunciated that the 'consciousness of the necessity of a profound revolution, the communist revolution, arises from this class itself'. Communism indeed is "the beginning, and not the end of human history".

But the top brass of Indian communist parties, the Communist Party of India (Marxist), Communist Party of India, and various Maoist groups of the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) and other so-called Marxist parties such as the Revolutionary Socialist Party of India have been lukewarm to the idea of this Oxford publication. The reasons are not difficult to guess.

Chattopadhyay is ranked among top Marxist scholars such as Maximilien Rubel, David Borisovich Riazanov (who discovered shelved texts like the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844, The German Ideology, Holy Family, Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy and Grundrisse), Anton Pannekoek, formulator of Council Communism, and Charles Bettelheim author of the four-volume Class Struggles in the USSR. Chattopadhyay has to his credit seminal works such as The Marxian Concept of Capital and the Soviet Experience and papers like 'Myth of Twentieth Century Socialism' and 'Two Approaches to Socialist Revolution: Marx Versus Lenin and Trotsky'.

Agonising as it may seem to those generations that gravitated to Marx through Lenin's works, Lenin's distortions of Marx did considerable damage to the possibilities of a proletarian revolution. For instance, Marx never stated that socialism is the lower stage of communism, but conceived socialism, communism, republic of labour, cooperative society, society of free and associated producers as interchangeable and synonymous. Lenin's formulations – namely, 'socialist state' or 'commune state' are brazen deviations from the fundamentals of Marx and Engels.

"The existence of the state is inseparable from the existence of slavery", Marx categorically stated in theCritical Notes on the Article: The King of Prussia and Social Reform. Lenin himself stated in his The State and Revolution that state and freedom are mutually exclusive. Not only Chattopadhyay, but Cyril Smith, Marcello Musto and other Marxist scholars who studied Marx and Engels in the original have stated unhesitatingly that all the so-called socialist states were actually capitalist states.

The attraction of the upcoming book for scholars – particularly Marxist scholars not adhering to the Leninist tradition – is irresistible. The first task before them and prosperity is to present Marx in the Marxist way.

The writer is a Kolkata-basedcontributor. Email: sankar.ray@gmail.com


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