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Friday, February 17, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] What is not antisemitism

'anti-semetic', 'antisemetic'; The same spelling mistake made twice by
a scholar?!

On 2/18/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> As I was saying in an earlier post with regard to accusation of M.
> Mahathir of Malaysia as an 'anti-semetic', the term or the particular racism
> has an European context because it was specifically crafted by the Nazi. An
> Asian man lambasting post-WWII Jewish dominance of Western foreign policy,
> and protesting the plight of the Palestinians and the resulting Islamophobia
> cannot be characterized as antisemetic no matter how many glitzy Western
> Statesmen condemned Mahathir with that allegation.
>
> Farida
>
> Read also Pankaj Mishra on Tony Judt: Orwell's Heir?
>
> http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2012/01/orwell-tony-judt-pankaj-mishra-liberalism/
> Goodbye to all that
> Tony Judt
> 18th December 2004 — Issue 105
>
> Europe has a more balanced debate than America about the extent and causes
> of today's antisemitism. But in both places we must defend a firewall
> between criticism of Israeli governments and antisemitism
>
>
>
>
> Antisemitism today is a genuine problem. It is also an illusory problem. The
> distinction between the two is one of those contemporary issues that most
> divides Europe from the US. The overwhelming majority of Europeans abhors
> recent attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions and takes them very
> seriously. But it is generally recognised in Europe that these attacks are
> the product of local circumstances and are closely tied to contemporary
> political developments in Europe and the middle east.
>
> Thus the increase in anti-Jewish incidents in France or Belgium is correctly
> attributed to young men, frequently of Muslim or Arab background: the
> children or grandchildren of immigrants. This is a new and disconcerting
> challenge and it is far from clear how it should be addressed, beyond the
> provision of increased police protection. But it is not, as they say, "your
> grandfather's antisemitism."
>
> As seen from the US, however, Europe—especially "old" or western Europe—is
> in the grip of recidivism: reverting to type, as it were. Rockwell Schnabel,
> the US ambassador to the EU, recently spoke of antisemitism in Europe
> "getting to a point where it is as bad as it was in the 1930s." George Will,
> a prominent columnist in the Washington Post, wrote in May 2002 that
> antisemitism among Europeans "has become the second—and final?—phase of the
> struggle for a 'final solution to the Jewish question.'" These are not
> isolated instances: among American elites as well as in the population at
> large, it is widely assumed that Europe, having learned nothing from its
> past, is once again awash in the old antisemitism.
>
> The American view clearly reflects an exaggerated anxiety. The problem of
> antisemitism in Europe today is real, but it needs to be kept in proportion.
> According to America's Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which has worked harder
> than anyone to propagate the image of rampant European antisemitism, there
> were 22 significant antisemitic incidents in France in April 2002, and a
> further seven in Belgium; for the whole of that year the ADL catalogued 193
> such incidents in France, varying from antisemitic graffiti on Jewish-owned
> shops in Marseille to Molotov cocktails thrown at synagogues in Paris, Lyon
> and elsewhere.


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RE: [mukto-mona] ‘নন্দীরহাটে মসজিদের দেয়াল ভেঙে গুজব রটানো হয়’ !!!!!!



           Those Indian border guards are real nasty bastards and they kill and torment both Indian and BD citizens.  Human Rights Orgs in India like MASUM are monitoring them for a long time.  Kirity Roy works for MASUM; a couple of years ago the authorities threw him in jail. Hope he is out by now and continuing his good work. My friends in Kolkata reported harassment of other HR activists.
              
                Funny thing is when I mentioned border killings back in 2004 there was not much of a squeak from our adorer jamai, Mohishasur.
 

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: subimal@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:38:33 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'নন্দীরহাটে মসজিদের দেয়াল ভেঙে গুজব রটানো হয়' !!!!!!

 
I hope Mohiuddin Anwar is reading it. The problem is that he does not believe in any conspiracy theories in which the conspirators are BNP, Jamaat, and Shibir. The conspiracy can go so low that they do not even hesitate to cause harm to "the house of Allah!" I hope this news clipping will bring some sense to him and he will now be able to look at the border killings (particularly brutal ones) from a different angle (I mean a possiblity of cruel game having been played by BNP-Jamaat-Shibir.) 

From: Muhammad Ali <man1k195709@yahoo.com>
To:
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] 'নন্দীরহাটে মসজিদের দেয়াল ভেঙে গুজব রটানো হয়' !!!!!!
 
'নন্দীরহাটে মসজিদের দেয়াল ভেঙে গুজব রটানো হয়'
Fri, Feb 17th, 2012 8:22 pm BdST
চট্টগ্রাম, ফেব্র"য়ারি ১৭ (বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম)- হাটহাজারীর নন্দীরহাটে মন্দির ভাংচুরের পর স্থানীয় মসজিদের দেয়াল ভেঙে গুজব রটিয়ে হিন্দুদের ধর্মীয় স্থাপনা, বাড়ি ও দোকানে হামলা চালাতে উস্কানি দেওয়া হয় বলে পুলিশি তদন্তে বেরিয়ে এসেছে। গত ৯ ফেব্র"য়ারির এই ঘটনায় পুলিশ ১০ জনকে গ্রেপ্তার করেছে। এর মধ্যে একজন স্বীকারোক্তিমূলক জবানবন্দিও দিয়েছে। আদালতে স্বীকারোক্তিমূলক জবানবন্দি দেওয়া মো. জসিম পেশায় রাজমিস্ত্রি। তিনি মসজিদের দেয়াল ভাঙার কথা স্বীকার করেছেন বলে পুলিশ জানিয়েছে। চট্টগ্রাম জেলা পুলিশের হাটহাজারী সার্কেলের জ্যেষ্ঠ সহকারী সুপার বাবুল আক্তার বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকমকে বলেন, নন্দীরহাটের ঘটনাটি ছিল পরিকল্পিত। অস্থিরতা সৃষ্টির উদ্দেশ্যে তা করা হয়েছে, যা প্রাথমিক তদন্তে প্রমাণ পাওয়া যাচ্ছে। "মসজিদের দেয়াল ভাঙার সঙ্গে জসিম নামে একজন রাজমিস্ত্রীর যুক্ত থাকার সংবাদ পেয়ে হাজীপাড়া থেকে তাকে গ্রেপ্তার এবং তার স্বীকারোক্তির ভিত্তিতে লোকমান ও এমদাদসহ বাকিদের গ্রেপ্তার করা হয়," বলেন তিনি। নাম প্রকাশে অনিচ্ছুক এক পুলিশ কর্মকর্তা জানান, ৫০ টাকার বিনিময়ে হাজীপাড়া মসজিদের দেয়ালের একাংশ ভাঙার কথা জসিম তার জবানবন্দিতে স্বীকার করেছে। হাজীপাড়ার মো. এমদাদ উল্লাহ ও মো. লোকমান তাকে এ কাজে বাধ্য করেছে বলে সে জানায়। লোকমান হাজীপাড়া জামে মসজিদ পরিচালনা কমিটির সাধারণ সম্পাদক এবং এমদাদ বিএনপির সমর্থক বলে পুলিশ জানতে পেরেছে। গত ৯ ফেব্র"য়ারি নন্দীরহাটে লোকনাথ সেবাশ্রমের বার্ষিক উৎসবের শোভাযাত্রা স্থানীয় একটি মসজিদ অতিক্রমের সময় দুই ধর্মের কয়েকজন মানুষের কথা কাটাকাটি হয়। এরপর এক দফা মন্দির ভাংচুর হয়। রাতে হিন্দুরা মসজিদের দেয়াল ভাংচুর করেছে- এই গুজব রটিয়ে পরদিন ভাংচুর ও লুটপাট হয় পাঁচটি মন্দির এবং কয়েকটি বাড়ি ও দোকানে। পুলিশ জানায়, মন্দিরে ভাংচুরের আগে হাজী পাড়া মসজিদে দুই পক্ষকে নিয়ে সমঝোতা বৈঠকে লোকমান ও এমদাদ ছিলেন। সভা চলাকালীন লোকমান ও এমদাদের কিছু সমর্থক বাইরের কিছু লোককে নিয়ে মন্দির ভাংচুর করে। এর পেছনে কারা ইন্ধনদাতা তা খতিয়ে দেখা হচ্ছে বলে পুলিশ জানায়। জামায়াত ইসলামী ও ইসলামী ছাত্র শিবিরের ইন্ধন রয়েছে বলে আওয়ামী লীগ নেতারা অভিযোগ করে আসছেন। পুলিশ কর্মকর্তা বাবুল বলেন, এই বিষয়টিও খতিয়ে দেখা হচ্ছে। বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম/এমসি/এমআই/২০১৭ ঘ.
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Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly



SC: "Meat eaters will slaughter animals. That should be O.K. Let us do it in a civilized manner."
 
SB: Amen to what Mr. Chakrabarty wrote.
 
Now, let me ask Mr. Chakrabarty to comment on the following comment by Q. A. Rahman, whom he has thanked on a different thread for 'enlightening us with the Koranic knowledge':
 
"For example, Islam is totally against "Idol worshiping" but out of respect to many Hindus in Bangladesh, our government keep extra security to ensure a safe and joyous festivals for Hindus. I strongly support such steps to ensure safety and security."
 
I wanted to provide some guidance, but let me refrain from that. I will comment, if necessary after comments from Mr. Chakrabarty, and from anyone else who may do it.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 
Animals are killed. They are killed in the name of religion, nutrition, and vanity (omuk mia this time bought a cow at Tk. 5 lac, or omuk babu scrificed ten pathas.) They are mostly done publicly in our subcontinent. You are not allowed to do it publicly in an advanced country. If you do it, you will be accused of committing cruelty to animals. Even you cannot show slaughter/sacrifice in images. This is civilized behavior. I have heard complaints about the way cows are slaughtered in the public areas. The mess made is unhygeinic. Meat eaters will slaughter animals. That should be O.K. Let us do it in a civilized manner. 

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 

This probably would be my last comments on Q. A. Rahman's posts, at least for a while. Let me go point by point.
 
QAR: "In theory everything is possible. BUT this also means you are "Proposing" to impose your values on others!!"
 
SB: I was not proposing to impose anything on anyone. I was just trying to put some sense into the heads of people who are too brainwashed to find any imperfection, let alone faults, in the religion that they inherited from their parents. I probably should admit, how foolish of me to get into trying an unattainable goal! I am not sure what Mr. Rahman means by "your values." But I would certainly claim to have a superior value system than the average ignorant religious person of any kind.
 
QAR: "There are places in India where Muslims are not "Allowed" to slaughter cow. Last time I checked Bangladesh is not part of India."
 
SB: Good point! Some people in the world do sensible things voluntarily, some people are sensible because they are not allowed to act on their insensibility.
 
QAR: "Still ALL religious sentiments have to be considered. NOT just for one community for long term peace here."
 
SB: How is killing cow a religious sentiment for the Muslims? Their religious books certainly did not ask them to slaughter cow. So, is the sentiment like, "To prove that I am a Muslim, I have to show that I kill, with a lot of fanfare, the animal that the Hindus treat like a god?"
 
QAR: "The fundamental DIFFERENCE in Muslim and Hindu narrative is unlike Hindu tradition God of Abraham (Allah-SWT) did NOT want human's to be sacrificed. While many Hindu gods (According to the tradition) do accept such "Sacrifices"."
 
SB: I do not think a thoroughly brainwashed religious Muslim is in a position to judge the differences between Islam and any other religion. There are differences. Some differences would make Islam better; some differences would make Islam worse. Seriously religious people are too biased to see the faults in their own religion. Unfortunately, I do not have much time to talk about what I call "the primitive wisdoms" in the religions.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
 
I'll become crazy if I keep getting such big doses of 'knowledge'.


>>>>  
;-)

< From member Bain>

Muslims could certainly give up the extra 15% similarity

> out of respect for their neighbors, and out of caring for a harmonious
> coexistence with the neighbors, while following their own religious
> tradition.


>>>>>>>>>> In theory everything is possible. BUT this also means you are "Proposing" to impose your values on others!!

I can understand if the request is to hide the animal from public eye as a good neighbor. But your are actually "Bold" enough the propose this on the whole country.
During my university days, I had a Roommate (Still very good friends) who came from Hindu tradition. I never cooked beef in front of him albeit he gave me permission. That is courtesy and I understand that. But your proposal is only good for mindless debate in this forum but not a "Practical" solution for a whole country.

There are places in India where Muslims are not "Allowed" to slaughter cow. Last time I checked Bangladesh is not part of India. So I think more "Practical" solution can be reached. Otherwise our people would think a minority values have been imposed on us. Also beef is cheaper in Bangladesh (Because Indian Hindus have no problem selling cows to Muslims who would make beef curry out of it!) and a good source of protein. It would deprive many poor people from getting their protein intake. Still ALL religious sentiments have to be considered. NOT just for one community for long term peace here.


As far as I know, the pre-Islamic prophet Ibrahim
> was ready to sacrifice his son Ishmail to express his true devotion to God.
> The Hindus used to sacrifice little children to please their God by offering
> the purest/most sinless thing. Of course, this kind of human sacrifices
> would be seriously prosecuted in today's world, because we are civilized
> enough to realize that the person that is to be offered/sacrificed has a
> right to this world, which even his/her father can not take away; devotion
> to God or not.



>>>>>>>>> This is a good point. The fundamental DIFFERENCE in Muslim and Hindu narrative is unlike Hindu tradition God of Abraham (Allah-SWT) did NOT want human's to be sacrificed. While many Hindu gods (According to the tradition) do accept such "Sacrifices".

The Muslim story shows us Allah (SWT) want our love and devotion towards Him but NOT our sons!!



Again NOT here to criticize other views here BUT need to point out this FUNDAMENTAL difference in narratives.

Hope this will be some help those who seek to understand different point of views.

Shalom!

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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam



A funny response indeed although it testifies to the fact that Mr. Kamal Das always takes out his pocket some stunning information to prove wrong some thing that is more or less well founded! Rabindranath could not go beyoond primary education and Nazrul did not pass matriculation exam. They are lucky that they have not been attacked by Das! From the top of my head I cannot exactly say on which pages Bankim has praised Pathan rulers, but I can assure you he has done it. As far as I remember Bankim has praised the Pathan rulers for their contributions including sponsoring Bengali language and literature. (I will find more about it. I have complete works of Bankim.)
 
"Alahuddin Hussain Shah (1493-1519) ------ who gave pride of place to the fledgling Bengali language, ruled the land without showing any discrimination between his Hindu and Muslim subjects and gave his kingdom a peaceful and prosperous period ...." ---From History of the Bengali-speaking people.  

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam

 
Both Bankim and Bhudev were made to pass the B. A. Exam on grace.
There is no reason to take Bankim as a serious historian. Besides, in
which novel did Bankim call the Pathan dominated Bengal a golden era?
If Bengal had any golden period at all, it was under the rule of the
Buddhists. "Since I have studied the Medieval period of both Europe,
Islamic civilization, and Bengal's history I know how rich and
big-hearted that period was. Medieval Bengal under the Muslim rule (or
the Pathan period, as Bankim calls the era), for instance, was
considered the Golden Age by Bankim." Had this lady really studied so
much, she could not find that period 'rich and big-hearted'. Which
period does she define as medieval? Isn't Salafism another name of
Wahabism? In my opinion, the Deobandis are closer to Salafism than
the Jamatis. Whoever may outcast Moududi, Ali Shariati, the Guru of
the Islamic revolution in Iran worked on the model put forward by him.
The aim of Islam is global domination right from the beginning. Had
it not been eradicated from Spain in the fifteenth century, they would
have probably conquered the American continents, and be nearer to
their goal.




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Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly



KDas: "I find nothing wrong in slaughtering cows in Bangladesh ."
 
SBain: I also find nothing wrong in slaughtering cows in Bangladesh. Not only in Bangladesh, I am sure people like Dr. Das and I do not find anything wrong in slaughtering cows in any country of the world, including India. As I wrote in this forum, I even cook beef in my own kitchen.
 
The point really is, should it be done in an intimidating manner in a public place with utter disrespect or callous indifference for the Hindus? There were occasions in Bangladesh, where cow slaughtering was done in front on an ongoing Hindu religious festival. In fact, the fanaticism and irresponsibility are at such a high level now that the strong stench of rotten blood, flesh, and discards of slaughtered animals lingers in many parts of Dhaka for days, if not weeks, after the Muslim celebration of Eid-ul-Azha.
 
Now, I of course find cow worshiping silly. But do the believers of the silliness of other religions have a basis to say/think that, let alone insult that practice?
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 
There is no point to argue with people like Q. A. Rahman, who does not even read Quran regarding the chapters they talk about.  All they do is to click on a website written by another ignorant mullah.  Nowhere in Quran is mentioned that Ismael was taken for sacrifice, though being the elder son, it was his due.  But being illegitimate(born in a woman not married to Abraham), according to their own scripture, he was banished along with his mother to a place far from where Abraham lived.  One cannot both banish and sacrifice a son, besides the contemporary God Moloch/Melech/Malik would not accept an illegitimate son as sacrifice.  Allah(swt) was not the God of Abraham; according to the Old Testament, it was El Elyon instead, even Isaac and Jacob had different Gods.  Modern scholars(e.g.,Prof. Albright) believe, however,  God of Abraham was named El Shaddai, literally, a God with breasts.

Read Bible and you would find out that sacrificing the first child was practiced by the Jews at least till they were conquered by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon.  Child sacrifice might have happened in India too, they were mostly thrown into water, not roasted for the consumption of the priests.  The tantrics/kapaliks killed adults to meditate sitting on their corpse.

I find nothing wrong in slaughtering cows in Bangladesh.  The religious Muslims should ensure that they are consuming the cows bought properly, not stolen and/or smuggled from India.  I also fail to realize how an animal bought a few days ago from a cowshed becomes 'the most favorite item' to be sacrificed for Allah(swt).  Roasting a brand new car could be closer to serving the divine command.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

This probably would be my last comments on Q. A. Rahman's posts, at least for a while. Let me go point by point.
 
QAR: "In theory everything is possible. BUT this also means you are "Proposing" to impose your values on others!!"
 
SB: I was not proposing to impose anything on anyone. I was just trying to put some sense into the heads of people who are too brainwashed to find any imperfection, let alone faults, in the religion that they inherited from their parents. I probably should admit, how foolish of me to get into trying an unattainable goal! I am not sure what Mr. Rahman means by "your values." But I would certainly claim to have a superior value system than the average ignorant religious person of any kind.
 
QAR: "There are places in India where Muslims are not "Allowed" to slaughter cow. Last time I checked Bangladesh is not part of India."
 
SB: Good point! Some people in the world do sensible things voluntarily, some people are sensible because they are not allowed to act on their insensibility.
 
QAR: "Still ALL religious sentiments have to be considered. NOT just for one community for long term peace here."
 
SB: How is killing cow a religious sentiment for the Muslims? Their religious books certainly did not ask them to slaughter cow. So, is the sentiment like, "To prove that I am a Muslim, I have to show that I kill, with a lot of fanfare, the animal that the Hindus treat like a god?"
 
QAR: "The fundamental DIFFERENCE in Muslim and Hindu narrative is unlike Hindu tradition God of Abraham (Allah-SWT) did NOT want human's to be sacrificed. While many Hindu gods (According to the tradition) do accept such "Sacrifices"."
 
SB: I do not think a thoroughly brainwashed religious Muslim is in a position to judge the differences between Islam and any other religion. There are differences. Some differences would make Islam better; some differences would make Islam worse. Seriously religious people are too biased to see the faults in their own religion. Unfortunately, I do not have much time to talk about what I call "the primitive wisdoms" in the religions.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:32 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
 
I'll become crazy if I keep getting such big doses of 'knowledge'.


>>>>  
;-)

< From member Bain>

Muslims could certainly give up the extra 15% similarity

> out of respect for their neighbors, and out of caring for a harmonious
> coexistence with the neighbors, while following their own religious
> tradition.


>>>>>>>>>> In theory everything is possible. BUT this also means you are "Proposing" to impose your values on others!!

I can understand if the request is to hide the animal from public eye as a good neighbor. But your are actually "Bold" enough the propose this on the whole country.
During my university days, I had a Roommate (Still very good friends) who came from Hindu tradition. I never cooked beef in front of him albeit he gave me permission. That is courtesy and I understand that. But your proposal is only good for mindless debate in this forum but not a "Practical" solution for a whole country.

There are places in India where Muslims are not "Allowed" to slaughter cow. Last time I checked Bangladesh is not part of India. So I think more "Practical" solution can be reached. Otherwise our people would think a minority values have been imposed on us. Also beef is cheaper in Bangladesh (Because Indian Hindus have no problem selling cows to Muslims who would make beef curry out of it!) and a good source of protein. It would deprive many poor people from getting their protein intake. Still ALL religious sentiments have to be considered. NOT just for one community for long term peace here.


As far as I know, the pre-Islamic prophet Ibrahim
> was ready to sacrifice his son Ishmail to express his true devotion to God.
> The Hindus used to sacrifice little children to please their God by offering
> the purest/most sinless thing. Of course, this kind of human sacrifices
> would be seriously prosecuted in today's world, because we are civilized
> enough to realize that the person that is to be offered/sacrificed has a
> right to this world, which even his/her father can not take away; devotion
> to God or not.



>>>>>>>>> This is a good point. The fundamental DIFFERENCE in Muslim and Hindu narrative is unlike Hindu tradition God of Abraham (Allah-SWT) did NOT want human's to be sacrificed. While many Hindu gods (According to the tradition) do accept such "Sacrifices".

The Muslim story shows us Allah (SWT) want our love and devotion towards Him but NOT our sons!!



Again NOT here to criticize other views here BUT need to point out this FUNDAMENTAL difference in narratives.

Hope this will be some help those who seek to understand different point of views.

Shalom!

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Re: [mukto-mona] Hathazari Pogrom (UPDATE)!!!!




If Jamat/Shibir can break their own religious houses for political propaganda and expediency, then question arises – if there is anything that they will not do or say for their political propaganda. I am still not convinced that recent incidents involving BSF are all real. Some or part of those stories could be legitimate, but most of them are concocted and inflated. That's my belief. They cannot be trusted; they can do or say anything.

I do not understand why such communal politics and political exploitation of religion are allowed in Bangladesh. They have no right to desecrate a religion for political purpose, and such practices should be banned immediately.

Jiten Roy

--- On Fri, 2/17/12, GT International <gti82@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: GT International <gti82@hotmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Hathazari Pogrom (UPDATE)!!!!
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, mohiuddin@netzero.net
Cc: jnrsr53@yahoo.com, guhasb@gmail.com, aanis06@yahoo.com, chottola@yahoogroups.com, ovimot@yahoo.com, syed.aslam3@gmail.com, akhtergolam@gmail.com
Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:06 PM

 
All,
Here is what latest news on who is really behind the 'HATHAZARI MOSJID and MONDIR VANGA PPLOT'.....none other than JAMAT-SHIBIR Gundas...
How would Mohiuddin Anwar (orphe Dhamad Mia) explain this I wonder!!!
-Russel
 
হাটহাজারীতে ভাংচুর
মসজিদের দেয়াল ভাঙতে ৫০ টাকা দেওয়া হয় মিস্ত্রি জসিমকে
 
রেটিং :
21.38%
 
গড় রেটিং:
হাটহাজারীতে সংঘর্ষের ঘটনায় গ্রেফতার কয়েকজন সমকাল
ফিরোজ শিবলী, চট্টগ্রাম ব্যুরো
'বৃহস্পতিবার (৯ ফেব্রুয়ারি) রাতে আমি ঘুমে ছিলাম। ঘুম থেকে ডেকে মসজিদের দেয়াল ভাঙতে বলে এমদাদ উল্লাহ ও লোকমান। পরে তাদের কথামতো মসজিদের বারান্দার দেয়াল ভাঙি। তারা আমাকে ৫০ টাকা দেয়।' গতকাল বৃহস্পতিবার বিচারিক হাকিম মাসুদ পারভেজের খাস কামরায় হাটহাজারীর নন্দীরহাট এলাকার রাজমিস্ত্রি মোঃ জসিম ফৌজদারি কার্যবিধির ১৬৪ ধারার স্বীকারোক্তিমূলক জবানবন্দিতে এসব কথা স্বীকার করেন।
জবানবন্দিতে জসিম আরও বলেন, মসজিদ ভাঙতে রাজি না হলেও এমদাদ ও লোকমান তাকে বাধ্য করে। তাকে ৫০ টাকা দিয়ে বিষয়টি কাউকে না বলতেও নিষেধ করে। পরদিন মসজিদ ভাঙার গুজব ছড়িয়ে পড়লে শত শত লোক চট্টগ্রাম-হাটহাজারী সড়কে ব্যারিকেড দেয় ও হাটহাজারীতে মন্দির পুড়িয়ে দেয়।
হাটহাজারী সার্কেলের সিনিয়র এএসপি বাবুল আকতার সমকালকে জানান, বৃহস্পতিবার সন্ধ্যায় লোকমান ও এমদাদসহ হিন্দু এবং মুসলিম উভয়পক্ষের লোকজন নিয়ে সমঝোতা বৈঠকের চেষ্টা চলছিল। ওই সময় লোকমান ও এমদাদের ছেলেরা লোকনাথ মন্দিরে হামলা ও ভাংচুর চালায়। সে ঘটনা ধামাচাপা দিতে একই দিন রাতে রাজমিস্ত্রি জসিমকে
দিয়ে মসজিদের কিছু অংশ ভাঙা হয়। লোকমান ও এমদাদের পেছনে কারা ইন্ধনদাতা তা খতিয়ে দেখা হচ্ছে। জামায়াত-শিবিরের কোনো ইন্ধন আছে কি-না তারও তদন্ত চলছে।
মামলার তদন্তকারী কর্মকর্তা হাটহাজারী থানার
ওসি (তদন্ত) অং সা তোয়াই সমকালকে বলেন, গ্রেফতার হওয়া ১০ জনের মধ্যে চার জনকে জিজ্ঞাসাবাদ করতে সাত দিনের রিমান্ডের আবেদন করা হয়েছে। জিজ্ঞাসাবাদে তাদের কাছ থেকে বেশকিছু চাঞ্চল্যকর তথ্য বেরিয়ে আসবে। ইতিমধ্যে গ্রেফতার হওয়া জসিম মসজিদ ভাঙার কথা স্বীকার করেছে।
তদন্ত সংশ্লিষ্ট পুলিশ কর্মকর্তারা জানান, নন্দীরহাট এলাকায় লোকনাথ মন্দিরে উৎসব উপলক্ষে গত ৯ ফেব্রুয়ারি দুপুরে র‌্যালি বের করা হয়। এ সময় একই এলাকার হাজিপাড়া মসজিদের বাসিন্দারা নামাজ চলাকালে মাইক ছোট করে বাজানোর অনুরোধ করেন। কথা কাটাকাটির এক পর্যায়ে র‌্যালির পেছনে থাকা কে বা কারা মসজিদে ঢিল ছুড়ে মারলে কাচ ভাংচুর ও তিনজন মুসলি্ল আহত হন। এ ঘটনায় এলাকায় উত্তেজনা ছড়িয়ে পড়লে সন্ধ্যায় সমঝোতা বৈঠকের চেষ্টা চালায় প্রশাসন। এরই মধ্যে মন্দিরে ভাংচুর ও লুটপাট চালায় কে বা কারা।
১০ জন কারাগারে
চট্টগ্রামের হাটহাজারীতে সংঘর্ষ ও ভাংচুরের ঘটনায় গ্রেফতার হওয়া ১০ জনকে কারাগারে পাঠানো হয়েছে। গতকাল বৃহস্পতিবার বিচারিক হাকিম বেগম ইয়াসমিন আরা এ নির্দেশ দেন। একই সঙ্গে চার জনের রিমান্ড আবেদনের শুনানির দিন ধার্য্য করেন ২২ ফেব্রুয়ারি।
জানা গেছে, তদন্ত কর্মকর্তা হাটহাজারী থানার ওসি অং সা তোয়াই গ্রেফতার হওয়া ১০ আসামির মধ্যে চার জনের সাত দিনের রিমান্ডের আবেদন করেন। গত বুধবার রাতে এএসপি বাবুল আকতারের নেতৃত্বে হাটহাজারীর নন্দিরহাট হাজিপাড়া থেকে রাজমিস্ত্রি জসিমকে গ্রেফতার করা হয়। পরে তার স্বীকারোক্তি অনুযায়ী নয় জনকে গ্রেফতার করা হয়। তারা হলেন_ এমদাদুল্লাহ, মোঃ লোকমান, মোঃ আবদুল করিম, মোঃ ফরিদ, মোঃ মনজুর আলম, মোঃ শাফি, মোঃ আবু তাহের, মোঃ ওসমান ও হাজী মোঃ বাদশা।

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To: mohiuddin@netzero.net
From: subimal@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:17:08 -0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom

 
How would Hindus trust you. All the time you are spreading communal hatred by identifying all Hindus as Indian agents. Past performance of BNP and Jamaat whom you never criticize is so ugly. Probably the years you are shedding are of a crocodile. You are trying to fish in the troubled waters. Be sincere in your sympathy for the Hindus. Show this in action. Common Hindus will vote for BNP. 
Don't tell me about Goyeshwar Roy and Nitai Roychowdhury. I know about them very well. We have spent our university life together in the same dorm.

BNP is a party of quitters. 


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On Feb 16, 2012, at 2:56 AM, "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

Mr. Subimal,
 
Who said I  don't condemn Murthi destruction. Of course I want severe punishment for the culprits. That has to be done by the government not opposition BNP or Jamat.
Miss Shahara khatun should take responsibility for punishing the criminals. But I see some pro-Awami Hindu leaders failed to condemn this destruction and they donot want to embarass the ruling Awami League. Why ?
Yes, there are  Hindu supporters of opposition BNP. More Hindus now supporting BNP and the number will increase day by day.Goyessar Roy, Nitai Roy Chowdhury both are senior leaders of BNP, there are thousands of other Hindu workers supporting BNP.
My request to Hindu Bangladeshi  Leaders, Please don't support Awami League unconditionally.
 
 
 


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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Cc: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>,  "jnrsr53@yahoo.com" <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>,  "aanis06@yahoo.com" <aanis06@yahoo.com>,  "ovimot@yahoo.com" <ovimot@yahoo.com>,  "syed.aslam3@gmail.com" <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>,  "akhtergolam@gmail.com" <akhtergolam@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:28:24 -0600


 
Ultimate responsibility lies with the ruling party. But they need support from all other political parties and organization including civil societies. Even when the ruling party ignites a communal riot, other organizations and common people come forward to stop it and help minorities at their own life risk. Mr. Anwar is simply blaming AL. He is not condemning the perpetrators who are his own people. BNP-Jamaat wants Hindu votes even though they are helping them. Bring the Hindus into your confidence. My little town had never communal riots and before 1971 many Hindus used to vote for ML. I have seen a couple of ML leaders giving assurance to Hindu community when mayhem was going on in some other parts of the country. Sometimes humanity and good sense get priority over nasty politics.

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On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:36 PM, "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

 
Mr. Russel,
My communication was with minorities not with you. Bangladeshi minorities are vote bank for Awami League therefore, it is Awami  duty to
protect Hindu Temple and stop  Murthi destruction. Ruling Awami League failing to protect Murthi destruction and that has to be protested. It is not BNP or Jamat's duty to protect Murthi because they donot control Poilice and RAB.
Minority support to Awami League should not be unconditional, that was my point. Do you agree ?


---------- Original Message ----------
From: GT International <gti82@hotmail.com>
To: <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:51:42 +0000

 
 
Hello Mr. Mohiuddin Anwar (Dhamand Mia),
You missed the point; I did not suggest the attack on temple be ignored. I actually suggested Mr. Roy to IGNORE you and your cooked upi theory. You moududibadi JAMATI always try to create anarchy in the society in the name of religion just like your cousin SHIV-SENA/RSS does in India. You guys always play dirty game and attack minorities to inflame the situation so you can fis in troubled water. You can not do politics in clean environment as people generally rejects this fanaticism you believe in. We know you people very well; dhormo beboshayee is what you are. You boast on regularly witnessing human be-heading along with your family members. Is that not sick?
-M.Islam(Russel)
 
 

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; jnrsr53@yahoo.com
From: mohiuddin@netzero.net
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:37:35 +0000
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom

 
Mr. Roy,
Why you should ignore?
Why not demanding justice from the government ?
How long you people will remain silent when Deity Murthi is destroyed ?
Speak to demand justice and culprits should receive justice.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: GT International <gti82@hotmail.com>
To: <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:46:23 +0000


 

 Mr. Roy,
I would suggest IGNORE..........IGNORE.........IGNORE....
By now hope you got to know Mr. Anwar little better as to what he stands for.
Thanks, Russel
 

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:18:41 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom

 
Mr. Mohiuddin Said: "Do something to protect minority interest, otherwise Jamat will demand punishment for the Murthi destruction and monority harrasment."
 

 

I do not know if I will laugh or cry for joy hearing the above statement from Mr. Mohiuddin.

Jiten Roy


--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, jnrsr53@yahoo.com, guhasb@gmail.com, captchowdhury@yahoo.ca, rkhundkar@earthlink.net, aanis06@yahoo.com, ovimot@yahoogroups.com, dahuk@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:50 AM

 
Sri Jiten Roy,
 
Instead of criticizing  Jamat/BNP for the suffering f minorities in Hathazari area why don;t you blame BAL government for failing to
protect the minorities interest. Jamat/BNP not in power now and can't do any harm to any one because Bangladesh already became
a Police state. There is no gurantee for peoples lives under Hasina rule. Killing, abduction, looting ,tender terrorism, rape is out of control.
In addition to that minority suffering incresed. Stll minorities not protesting against the so called secular government. The reason is  unknown to us.
Unity Council doing practically nothing. They should have demonstrated against Hathazari incident at home and abroad. 
Do something to protect minority interest, otherwise Jamat will demand punishment for the Murthi destruction and monority harrasment.




na] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:07:34 -0800 (PST)

 
FYI

--- On Sun, 2/12/12, unitycouncilusa@aol.com <unitycouncilusa@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Colleagues:
 
The incident of minority persecution that happened in Hathazari and its vicinity this past Thursday and Friday is not unusual in Bangladesh after the passage of the 15th Amendment. You all remember what happened throughout the country in 1988 after the passage of the 8th Amendment.  What shocked us is that when leaders of Unity Council urged the IG to intervene, he told them that the police were not equipped to stop the carnage.   This is clearly an absurd excuse.  It happened during the Luxmi Bazaar pogrom (Sutrapur eviction); there was clear instruction to the police not to intervene. The police stood-by while the campaign of cleaning continued.  The same thing repeated in this case also.
 
This area is strategically important for Jamat/BNP and pro-Pakistani forces in Bangladesh. Jamat/Shibir has many militant training outposts in the vicinity of the border-belt; we believe - they are unable to establish the logistical linkage of those facilities to the mainland because of large religious minority population in this area. Radical Islamists have opened numerous Madrassas in this largely religious minority community - yet, failed to gain control of this area. They have been trying to persecute religious minority communities to vacate this area for a very long time. If anything, religious minorities in this area deserve protection from the Awami-government, who claims to be secular,  for acting as a buffer against the radical Islamists� invasion. Unfortunately, they were surprised to see that Awami-government was nowhere near them when they desperately needed protection. This is a defeat for spirit of secularism in Bangladesh.
 
Please peruse the attached news and also watch the video.  We are doing what we can within our limited ability. We are trying to appraise the world of the role the government played as the Islamic nationalists/extremists were conducting their campaign of minority cleansing. 
 
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
Dwijen Bhattacharjya
General Secretary
Bangladesh Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council, USA
 
 
 
 
Temples, shops of Hindus attacked at Hathazari
 
 
 
Fri, Feb 10th, 2012 7:09 pm BDST
 
 

Chittagong, Feb 10 (bdnews24.com) � Authorities clamped Section 144 banning public gathering at Hathazari on Friday amid mounting tensions after several Hindu temples were vandalised and torched there.

Local people claimed religious bigots of Jamaat-e-Islami and its student wing Chhatra Shibir incited the vandalism and arson of the temples from Thursday evening to Friday noon.

Tensions that boiled over into violence originated Thursday morning following rumours that a mosque had been attacked. Allegations have it that houses of Hindus in the area were also attacked. The leaders of the Hindu minority there blamed the 'indifference' of the administration for the situation.


Another group of people took to the Chittagong-Rangamati road blocking traffic from Nandirhat to Hathazari Sadar Upazila around 11am Friday. They also said their Friday prayers on the road.

They alleged a mosque had allegedly been hurled with brick bats from a procession of Loknath Sebashram Thursday morning. The blockaders demanded arrest of those linked with 'hurling brick bats on the mosque'.

After simmering tensions through the day, primary and mass education minister Afsarul Ameen, city Awami League president A B M Mohiuddin Chowdhury, Chittagong Development Board chairman Abdus Salam and city Awami League's joint secretary Ibrahim Hossain Chowdhury Babul went to the area and calmed the agitated locals in the afternoon.

"Tensions mounted following a misunderstanding. Security in temples and mosques in the area has been strengthened and the law enforcers have been alerted," Ameen said.

Chittagong district deputy commissioner Faiz Ahmed told reporters about the ban on public assembly through the imposition of Section 144.

"Police will take action if they see any gathering," he said.

TIT FOR TAT: THE ORIGIN

According to the local people, Hindus in the area took out a procession to celebrate the founding anniversary of Loknath Sevasram Thursday morning.

They used microphone and drums in the procession.

When the procession was passing a mosque, Muslims in the mosque forbade them to drums. At one stage, someone hurled a brick bat on the procession.

An altercation took place at once which turned into chase and counter-chase when someone from the procession responded by throwing a brick bat.

Police organised a meeting between the two parties which was allegedly delayed with ill-intention. A group of Muslims said that the meeting will be held in the mosque and the Hindus agreed.

The meeting started in the evening. Requesting anonymity, several of those who attended the meeting told bdnews24.com that a handful of miscreants vandalised a temple on the Loknath Sevasram premises when the meeting was underway.

They also vandalised seven to eight cars of the temple's visitors.

Puja Udjapon Committee convenor Ashok Kumar Deb told bdnews24.com that someone broke a windowpane of the mosque after the incident in the morning and a rumour that Hindus vandalised the mosque spread in the area.

On Friday morning, temples in the area were vandalised and shops owned by Hindus were torched and looted after madrasa students in the area gathered following an announcement through a PA system.

A bdnews24.com correspondent in Chittagong said he saw tell-tale signs of vandalism in three other temples in the area. They are the Sri Sri Jagadeshwari Ma Temple and Jagannath Bigroho Temple at Nandirhat and Kalibari Temple at Sadar Upazila.

The Sri Sri Jagadeshwari Ma Temple was burnt, too.

JAMAAT-SHIBIR BLAMED

Many of the people in the area said a quarter is provoking the incident and Zila Parishad administrator M A Salam pointed the finger at Jamaat-e-Islami and its student wing Islami Chhatra Shibir.

As the area is only three kilometres away from the Chittagong University (CU), many of the leaders and activists of Chhatra Shibir's CU unit live there.

Moreover, the largest madrasa of the country is located in the area and Shibir allegedly controls it.

Zila Parishad administrator Salam said adequate police were not deployed in the area to tackle the situation after Thursday's incident.

Salam, an Awami League leader, said Jamaat and Shibir leaders were fuelling the tension to destabilise the situation after CU was ordered shut on Wednesday following deaths of two Shibir men in clashes with activists of pro-government students.

Hathazari Thana BNP chief S M Fazlul Haque blamed the administration for the unpleasant events.

"The situation would not have been like this in the first place had the administration been on alert at the beginning," he said.

Haque added that all local supporters and activists of BNP were asked to work together to protect communal harmony in the locality.

Local MP and Jatiya Party presidium member Anisul Islam Mahmud went to the area in the morning but failed to get the situation any better.

The disturbing developments prevented the annual festival of the Loknath Temple to begin Friday morning. A large number of Rapid Action Battalion members and police have been deployed there.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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