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Monday, January 19, 2015

[mukto-mona] FW: Dr. Maher Hathout Passed Away last night



 

 

From: Ahmad Totonji [mailto:atotonji@darmanar.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Dr. Maher Hathout Passed Away last night

 

Dr. Maher Hathout Passed Away last night


Mohammad Auwal <mauwal@gmail.com>

Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:38 PM

 

 

With deep sorrow and sadness the Islamic Center of Southern California announces the passing of our beloved Dr. Maher Hathout

 

 

Inna lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raaji'oon. To God we belong and to Him we will return.

Last night, the world lost a pioneer, visionary and a leader of the American Muslim community. Dr. Maher Hathout (1936-2015) was a leader for Islam and for humanity, a voice for the voiceless, a patriot, a poet, a physician, a friend, and a family man. He made an indelible impression on everyone he met.

 

The Islamic Center of Southern California family asks for prayers of patience and support for the Hathout family during this difficult time. Funeral services are scheduled for this Monday, Jan. 5, at 2 pm at Rose Hills Memorial Park in Whittier, California. More information will be available at www.icsconline.org and www.mpac.org. In lieu of flowers, the family is requesting that donations be made either to the Islamic Center of Southern California or the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

 

 

http://www.mpac.org/multimedia-old/video-old/dr-maher-hathout-speaks-about-islamophobia.php

 

 

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Date: Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:49 PM
Subject: Dr. Maher Hathout passes away (1936-2015)
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From: Rashid Ahmed <ahmedrns@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: {LA-Discussion} Dr. Maher Hathout passes away (1936-2015)
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Inna lillahe Wa Innah Illahe Rajeoun

 

May Allah bless him in the best of the  best place of the Jannah. Ameen.

 

Rashid 

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 PM, mahbubkhan@ieee.org <mahbubkhan35@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

 

From: MPACnews <news@mpac.org>
Date: January 3, 2015, 1:08:57 PM EST
To: Mahbub <mahbubkhan@ieee.org>
Subject: In Memory of Dr. Maher Hathout (1936-2015)
Reply-To: MPACnews <news@mpac.org>

 

In Memory of Dr. Maher Hathout

 

 

Inna lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raaji'oon. To God we belong and to Him we will return. 

Last night, the world lost a pioneer, visionary and a leader of the American Muslim community. Dr. Maher Hathout (1936-2015) was a leader for Islam and for humanity, a voice for the voiceless, a patriot, a poet, a physician, a friend and a family man. He made an indelible impression on everyone he met. 

Born in Egypt in 1936, Dr. Maher Hathout has been an activist and a thinker dedicated to the cause of freedom and Islam since his childhood. Widely regarded as the Father of the American Muslim identity, he stressed for more than four decades that being a faithful Muslim was entirely compatible with being a proud American. Dr. Hathout believed that American Muslims would contribute to America by practicing the Islamic values of mercy, equity and justice. He moved many of us from darkness to light and he wanted all of us to discover the power in the Quran’s message to do the same for others.

Upon moving to Los Angeles from Buffalo, New York, Dr. Hathout immersed himself in volunteering at the Islamic Center of Southern California (ICSC) as Chairman and Spokesperson. One of the most progressive mosques in the country -- the ICSC had a woman on its board of directors in 1952 -- the Islamic Center became a vehicle for a vision of Islam in America that is rooted in what Dr. Hathout called the definition of home: "Home is not where my grandparents are buried, but where my grandchildren will be raised." 

Dr. Hathout went on to work with the founders of the Center to launch a series of pioneering projects and organizations, including the first-ever co-ed Muslim Youth Group, the Islamic Information Service that produced a nationally televised weekly program on Islam, The Minaret magazine, the New Horizon School system, and the Muslim Public Affairs Council. In 1988, he co-founded MPAC, and served as our Senior Advisor thereafter.  These organizations are examples of Dr. Hathout’s tireless dedication to pioneering institution-building in the American Muslim community and to fostering a strong American Muslim identity among youth. Despite working as a full-time cardiologist, he made his thinking and working for Islam a life-time endeavor.

Throughout his life, Dr. Hathout firmly spoke out to clarify Islam as a religion of coexistence, reason and moderation.  With that as his mission, he authored the “Declaration Against Extremism” in 2013. In his most recent public appearance at MPAC’s 2014 convention, Dr. Hathout embodied the message of this document during a speech titled, “Extremism: Between Wrong Policy and Corrupt Ideology.”

He was also among the pioneers of interfaith engagement within the American Muslim community, helping found the Religious Coalition Against War in the Middle East with Rev. George Regas and Rabbi Leonard Beerman in 1991. Dr. Hathout was a charter member of the Pacific Council on International Policy, the western partner of the Council on Foreign Relations, served on the Board of Directors of the Interfaith Alliance and Claremont Lincoln University, and as Chairman of the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California.

Over the years, Dr. Hathout was invited repeatedly to Capitol Hill and the State Department to address a variety of topics, such as "Islam and U.S. Policy," "Islamic Democracy," "Emerging Trends in Islamic Movements," and "The Future of the Middle East." He was also the first Muslim invited to give the invocation prayer at the Democratic National Convention in 2000. He was the author of several books, including Jihad vs. Terrorism, In Pursuit of Justice: The Jurisprudence of Human Rights in Islam, and Islam 2.0: Conversations for Muslim Generations.

Dr. Hathout was the recipient of many awards, including the George Regas Courageous Peacemaker Award, the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California’s Lifetime Service Award, the South Coast Interfaith Council Award for his life-long commitment to interfaith work and the Los Angeles CountyJohn Allen Buggs Award for excellence in human relations. 

He is survived by his wife Dr. Ragaa Hathout, his children Gasser and Samer, and his grandchildren Heba, Laith, Dean and McKenna.

The MPAC family asks for prayers of patience and support for the Hathout family during this difficult time.

Funeral services are scheduled for this Monday, Jan. 5, 2pm at Rose Hills Cemetery in Whittier, California.  More information will be available at www.mpac.org

In lieu of flowers, the family is requesting that donations be made either to the Islamic Center of Southern California or the Muslim Public Affairs Council

Founded in 1988, the Muslim Public Affairs Council improves public understanding and policies that impact American Muslims by engaging our government, media and communities.

 

 

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[mukto-mona] অবরোধে ভাংচুর, অক্ষত বিএনপি নেতার পণ্য





 

ফেনী শহরে অবরোধ সমর্থকরা বিভিন্ন আড়তের নিত্য প্রয়োজনীয় পণ্যবোঝাই ট্রাক ও পিকআপ ভ্যানসহ অন্তত ২৫টি গাড়ি ভাংচুর করলেও অক্ষত ছিল এক বিএনপি নেতার আড়তের পণ্যবোঝাই ট্রাক।

সোমবার দুপুরে শহরের বড় বাজার এলাকার তাকিয়া রোড়, বড় মসজিদ রোড, রামপুর রোড ও ইসলামপুর রোডের বিভিন্ন পাইকারি আড়তের পণ্যবোঝাই গাড়ি ভাংচুর হয়।

তবে ইসলামপুর রোডে জেলা বিএনপির সাধারণ সম্পাদক জিয়াউদ্দিন মিস্টারের চালের আড়তের সামনে থাকা পণ্যবোঝাই ৪/৫টি ট্রাকের একটিও ভাংচুর হয়নি।

বিএনপি নেতৃত্বাধীন ২০ দলের অবরোধের মধ্যে সারাদেশে বিক্ষিপ্তভাবে ভাংচুর চলছে। অবরোধের চতুর্দশ দিনে ফেনী শহরে এই ঘটনা ঘটে।  

ফেনী শহর ব্যবসায়ী সমিতির সভাপতি ও স্থানীয় বিএনপি নেতা ফারুক হারুন বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকমকে বলেন, "১৫/২০ জন দুর্বৃত্ত হুট করে বাজারে ঢুকে পণ্যবাহী ট্রাকগুলো ভাংচুর করেছে। তাদের হাতে লাঠিসোঁটা থাকায় বাজারের শ্রমিকরা তা প্রতিহত করার চেষ্টা করেও ব্যর্থ হয়েছে।"

তবে কারা এ ভাংচুরের সঙ্গে জড়িত, তা জানেন না বলে দাবি করেন এই বিএনপি নেতা।

তবে ক্ষতিগ্রস্ত ব্যবসায়ীরা বলছেন, ছাত্রদলের নেতাকর্মীরাই ভাংচুর করেছে।

নিরাপত্তার কারণে কেউ তাদের নাম প্রকাশ করতে রাজি হননি।

বিএনপি নেতা জিয়াউদ্দিন মিস্টারের সঙ্গে যোগাযোগ করা যায়নি। ফেনীতে বিচারপতি কাজী রেজা-উল হকের গ্রামের বাড়িতে অগ্নিকাণ্ডের ঘটনায় দায়ের করা মামলায় আসামি হওয়ার পর তিনি আত্মগোপনে রয়েছেন।

ফেনী মডেল থানার পরিদর্শক (তদন্ত) মো. শাহীনুজ্জামান বলেন, ভাংচুরের খবর পেয়ে পুলিশ ঘটনাস্থল পরিদর্শন করেছে। অবরোধ সমর্থকরা ১০/১২টি ট্রাক ও বেশ কিছু পিকআপভ্যান ও অটোরিকশা ভাংচুর করেছে

প্রত্যক্ষদর্শীরা জানান, সোমবার সকাল থেকে বড় বাজারের তাকিয়া রোড়, বড় মসজিদ রোড, রামপুর রোড ও ইসলামপুর রোডের পাইকারি আড়তে পণ্যবোঝাই ট্রাক ও পিকআপভ্যান থেকে পণ্য নামানো হচ্ছিল।

দুপুর ১২টার দিকে একদল লাঠি হাতে বাজারে ঢুকে অতর্কিত হামলা চালিয়ে ট্রাক, পিকআপভ্যান ও অটোরিকশাসহ অন্তত ২৫টি গাড়ি ভাংচুর করে।

ভাংচুর করা গাড়িগুলোতে চাল, আটা, মসুরের ডাল, চিনি, লবণ, পেঁয়াজসহ বিভিন্ন ধরনের নিত্য প্রয়োজনীয় পণ্য ছিল।

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[mukto-mona] [Mukto-Mona Writers' Corner] 'Saraswati Puja at Bangladesh Parliament – It is Progress Indeed'

Mukto-Mona Writers' Corner has posted a new item, 'Saraswati Puja at Bangladesh
Parliament – It is Progress Indeed'


The Bangladesh Parliament is apparently ready to host the Saraswati Puja for the
first time. The proposition was made by an MP who is from the Hindu community,
was supported by the Prime Minister and has been approved by the Speaker of the
Parliament. Thus, the country and the world are likely to see the [...]


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[mukto-mona] জাবি উপাচার্যের বাসভবনে ছাত্রদলের ককটেল হামলা



জাবি উপাচার্যের বাসভবনে ছাত্রদলের ককটেল হামলা

জাবি প্রতিনিধি
জাহাঙ্গীরনগর বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের (জাবি) উপাচার্য অধ্যাপক ফারজানা ইসলামের বাসভবনে ককটেল হামলা চালিয়েছে শাখা ছাত্রদলের নেতাকর্মীরা। গতকাল সোমবার রাতে এ হামলা চালানো হয়। তবে এতে কেউ হতাহত হননি। 
প্রত্যক্ষদর্শীরা জানান, রাত নয়টার দিকে বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের উপাচার্য অধ্যাপক ফারজানা ইসলামের বাসভবন লক্ষ্য করে ককটেল নিক্ষেপ করে কয়েকজন ছাত্রদল নেতাকর্মী। এ সময় দৌড়ে পালানোর সময় বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের দর্শন বিভাগের ৪০তম ব্যাচের ছাত্র ও শহীদ রফিক-জব্বার হল শাখা ছাত্রদলের যুগ্ম আহ্বায়ক অসীম আহমেদ অনিকে আটক করে বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের নিরাপত্তাকর্মীরা। পরে খবর পেয়ে আশুলিয়া থানা পুলিশ উপাচার্যের বাসভবনের কাছ থেকে একটি অবিস্ফোরিত ককটেল উদ্ধার করে। আটক ছাত্রদল নেতাকে রাত দশটার দিকে আশুলিয়া থানা পুলিশের কাছে সোপর্দ করে বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় প্রশাসন। 
এ বিষয়ে বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের প্রক্টর অধ্যাপক তপন কুমার সাহা জানান, আটক ছাত্রদল কর্মীকে পুলিশে সোপর্দ করা হয়েছে। বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের সার্বিক নিরাপত্তা বাড়ানো হয়েছে। তবে এ ব্যাপারে মামলা করা হবে কিনা এ বিষয়ে কিছু জানাননি তিনি।
এ সংক্রান্ত আরো খবর:

মধ্যরাতে বাসে পেট্রোল বোমায় মা-মেয়ে দগ্ধ (ভিডিওসহ)


বিএনপির লাগাতার অবরোধের মধ্যে রাজশাহীতে মধ্যরাতে ঢাকাগামী একটি বাসে পেট্রোল বোমা হামলায় মা-মেয়ে দগ্ধ হয়েছেন।

http://bangla.bdnews24.com/bangladesh/article912820.bdnews


সহিংসতা, জ্বালাও-পোড়াওয়ের নিন্দায় কূটনীতিকরা


জ্যেষ্ঠ প্রতিবেদক,  বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম

Published: 2015-01-20 01:10:22.0 BdST Updated: 2015-01-20 01:11:51.0 BdST

http://bangla.bdnews24.com/bangladesh/article912801.bdnews



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Re: [mukto-mona] French farce on Charlie



Freedom of speech is a universal concept. Theoretically we all should have the freedom to express our own views, opinions, and creative ideas. But the problem is that we all are not equally ready for it to the fullest extent. I will never go to a remote village and tell my relatives that their gods and goddesses are all false. 

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On Jan 19, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Freedom of speech is subjective; it needs to be defined on the basis of prevailing circumstances. What is a freedom of speech in one country may not be so in another country.  For example, what is a freedom of speech in France may not be a freedom of speech in Muslim countries. 
Now, if you come to France, you must accept the freedom of speech of that country; you cannot redefine freedom of speech in your own way.
Jiten Roy

 

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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] French farce on Charlie

 
The West is indeed hypocritical when they prosecute speeches that they do not like, while defend speeches that they like. In case of Charlie Hebdo, the "Je Suis Charlie" slogan is a shame. While I defend Charlie Hebdo's right to print their cartoons, I am not Charlie. I do not like making provocative/stupid jokes involving religious icons. Making stupid jokes involving someone who is considered a prophet or God by hundreds of millions of people is not the same as shunning religious stupidity and hatred. The civilized world needs to do the latter, not the former, which can go against realizing the latter. My understanding is that most Westerners are actually not Charlie.
 
The civilized world certainly needs to prosecute and forcibly stop barbaric crimes, such as killing, raping, burning people's home, etc., that are being committed by Muslims in many parts of the world. However, any kind of hate speech, including the ones that come from Muslim bigots, should be criticized with words only. If the hate speech causes anyone to contemplate/commit a crime, the crime should be stopped and the criminal should be punished. In a truly free speech regime, no speech is to be prosecuted.
 
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On Sunday, January 18, 2015 6:15 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
It is hard to know whether Mr. Ray endorses the article or he simply wants us to pass opinions about the contents? It would be absurd to say that the West are free of hypocrisy. No they are not! But despite all the western hypocrisies, Muslim migrants have been pouring into the west and love to stay in the West? For what? Western liberty, luxury and glitters? The answer is of course is obvious. Islamic homelands have failed Muslims miserably for few centuries. But ironically, nobody would acknowledge that cruel truth. Muslims  would migrate but do not want to assimilate in their newly adopted countries but to bring baggage from their home countries to create a state within a state. So, what country would tolerate such silent foreign invasion in their republics? Maybe, Ray should have a first-hand experience after being cleansed from then East Bengal or East Pakistan? Is he still a gullible man, who thinks, it is the fate that determines people' destiny?

Why only Muslims get marginalized and profiled in the West and other infidel countries? The author of course know the answers but he would not say it publicly because that would invalidate the lame arguments that he has made about the Muslim specific discrimination. If Muslims look everything through the prism of the religion and prophet, I do no see how that community can become an enlightened one and stronger. A self critic is overdue! Murders would not silence the West and it's hypocrisy.

-SD



On Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:15 PM, "'Sankar Kumar Ray' sankarray62@rediffmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

France Arrests a Comedian For His Facebook Comments, Showing the Sham of the West's "Free Speech" Celebration

 
Forty-eight hours after hosting a massive march under the banner of free expression, France opened a criminal investigation of a controversial French comedian for a Facebook post he wrote about the Charlie Hebdo attack, and then this morning, arrested him for that post on charges of "defending terrorism." The comedian, Dieudonné (above), previously sought elective office in France on what he called an "anti-Zionist" platform, has had his show banned by numerous government officials in cities throughout France, and has been criminally prosecuted several times before for expressing ideas banned in that country.
The apparently criminal viewpoint he posted on Facebook declared: "Tonight, as far as I'm concerned, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly." Investigators concluded that this was intended to mock the "Je Suis Charlie" slogan and express support for the perpetrator of the Paris supermarket killings (whose last name was "Coulibaly"). Expressing that opinion is evidently a crime in the Republic of Liberté, which prides itself on a line of 20th Century intellectuals – from Sartre and Genet to Foucault and Derrida – whose hallmark was leaving no orthodoxy or convention unmolested, no matter how sacred.
Since that glorious "free speech" march, France has reportedly opened 54 criminal cases for "condoning terrorism." AP


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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: An article in the Daily Star/ Terrorism and Islam



A religion is essentially defined by its scriptures. But it is best known by how it is practiced. The medieval Christianity has a different face than the modern Christianity. Church persecuted Galileo. The same church admitted its past wrong doing. Islam practiced in one geopolitical environment (ISIS for example) is quite different from Islam practiced in Bangladesh. The madness shown during crusade and dark period in Europe not comparable with what we see now in the modern world in general. 


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On Jan 19, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

A religion is defined by its products, not by words or fancy phrases. Islam will be known by its products also.

If a religion can be praised for good deeds of its followers, it can be blamed for the bad deeds of its followers also.

Jiten Roy
 

 
It is understandable why Mr. Zamir would defend Islam with the quote from Ibn Qayyim al Jawziyya:  "Islam is a mercy. If you see it's opposite, cruelty, then know that is not Islam. Islam is wisdom. If you see it going to foolishness and stupidity, then know that is not Islam. Islam is justice. If you see it going to oppression, then know that is not Islam." These words have become totally meaningless to the people, who have become the receiving ends of the Islamic terror and assaults. Can anybody find any truth in this quote in any Muslim dominated country? Bringing Robespierre and KKK in the discussion is basically comparing apple with oranges. While Robespierre/KKK terror was local, Islamic terror has become a global phenomenon. If deranged minds are not following the Islamic preachings, then there must be problem in some where in the religion? Why not address that before it is too late. What I see so far is that a great number of Muslims rather justifying these terror acts. Have they become non-Muslims too? Is that a good excuse?
-SD

 



On Sunday, January 18, 2015 1:21 PM, "'skmirza.mirza' Skmirza.mirza@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Many thanks to both Mr. Asghar and Mr. Anisur Rahman for their pertinent questions asked which need to be answered by Mr. Zamir. Also, Mr. Zamir got plenty of questions from me to answer. Let us wait with our utmost eagerness for his answers to our all questions. Thanks to all for reading our discourse about peaceful Islam!


SKM

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 1:12 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Reading Mahfuzur Rahman's (MR) and Syed K Mirza's (SKM) rebuttal to Zahid Zamir's (ZZ) 'opinion' in the Daily Star that Islam is a religion of peace is quite an eye-opener. I have nothing more to add to what MR and SKM had already said in this thread of emails, except putting forward some pertinent questions for ZZ to answer . 

The first question that I would ask ZZ and the ilk is this: why is it that all the vicious, barbaric acts of terrorism are being committed by Muslims only (in the name of religion)? Other religions do not resort to anything like such barbarity. Admittedly, all Muslims (1500 million) are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. The terrorist Muslims are goaded into barbaric actions by the religion (Islam) to be good Muslims and the religion promises rich rewards in their after-lives. So, if dim-witted illiterate (or even brain-washed literate) people take such exhortations to heart and carry them out, is it not the fault of the religion? Where is peace if the religion dictates 'kill and be killed' in the name of religion? 

Mr. ZZ, have some decency and common sense to bring out in your write-up the root cause that drives Islamists to such extremes as to kill other human beings to please the all-powerful, all-loving Allah! But for such religious exhortations, these people may not be vicious animals as they are now.

- AR  



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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: An article in the Daily Star/ Terrorism and Islam

Dear Mr. Zamir,

While I was kind of locked-up with my TV set watching every details of our Islamic jihadis' Monkey dances in Europe, your esteem article (which is rebutted by Mahfuzur Rahman) posted in the Daily Star having most usual Islamic Taqqiyya has caught my attention to this thread one more time. Your article in Daily star perhaps was well received by those super ignorant Bangladeshi Muslims and also all those Taqqiyaa (islamic deception infested) loving Muslims in general. Dr. Mahfuzur Rahman has made quite good rebuttal by some valid points and I thank him for his good job.  But, I can see Mr. Zamir needs more truth about the so called peaceful Islam. In short, Mr. Zamir has told some utter lies and distortions and his write-up can be taken as a Hog-wash only, at best. Let me bring some key points for Mr. Zamir to answer to the readers here:

Mr. Zamir said: "Some deviated individuals and groups have adopted the method of destruction just to achieve political motives by using the name of the great religion of Islam, thereby blackening Islam in the eyes of many people. They might have Muslim identity, but this dreadful act cannot be labeled as Islamic terrorism just as it cannot be called Jewish terrorism if the perpetrators are Jewish or Christian terrorism if the perpetrators are Christian. That is because murdering innocent people in the name of religion is absolutely unacceptable. Religion preaches love, peace and mercy while terrorism is cruel and merciless, and brings bloodshed as well as misery.  "

My rseponse: Those Islamic terrorists are never any deviate muslims at all; they are highly devout and Koranic muslims. You are totally wrong and doing only Islamic taqqiyya to delude all westerners as well as ignorant Muslims. Truth is: Koran and Sunnah are the complete and Primary Mannual of Islamic terrorism, period. Please peruse my article attached

Mr. Zamir said: "In Islam, life is considered to be very sacred. The first and the foremost basic right of a human being is the right to live. It has been stated in the Holy Qur'an (Ch5, V.32) that if someone kills an innocent person, it would be as if he had killed the whole of mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole of mankind. "

My response: Again you are doing Taqqiyya by mis-quoting verses here. The verse (5:32) is purely a deceptive verse used by most hypocrites of Islam like you  to fool the Westerners. This verse was meant to describe historical aspects of Israelites and is nothing to do with the Muslims. Nor does this verse do any abrogation of the hundreds of killing verses came afterwards (while in Medina) to incite random killings (Jihad) of any un-believers by Allah's soldiers called Muslims. Here the verse in full:  Quran-5:32- On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
The above verse is purely a deceptive verse used by most hypocrites of Islam to fool the Westerners. This verse was meant to describe historical aspects of Israelites and is nothing to do with the Muslims. Nor does this verse do any abrogation of the hundreds of killing verses came afterwards (while in Medina) to incite random killings (Jihad) of any un-believers by Allah's soldiers called Muslims.

Mr. Zamir said: "Terrorism in the name of Islam is not only unislamic and unholy, it is also foolish and unwise. It is foolish because those people who are committing terrorism in the name of religion to draw strength for their political purposes have turned out to be counterproductive. Every time some so-called Muslim individuals or groups commit terrorism, they not only fail to achieve any political gain but also put the lives of millions of innocent Muslims in danger and tarnish the very good image of the great religion of Islam.'
My response: Much before 9/11 and right after 9/11 about 30,000 (thirty thousands) cases of terrorism happened killing and maiming tens of thousands of innocent humans around the globe. And almost 100% were done by the Muslims who were devout muslims. 100% terrorsists are either Madrassha stuedents, Mullah , Mufti, Maolana, Imams or someway connected with Mosques, Madrasshas and islamic ceneters. Never ever they were from any other religion nor they were any atheist, homosexuals or mad man either. They were all deboutely Quranic muslims. What is your answer Mr. Zamir?

Mr. Zamir said: the Qur'an never condones killing of innocent people. Terrorising defenseless civilians, and the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all detestable acts according to Islam." 

My response: Oh, really? Quran: 9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran. Does this verse sounds lovable to you?

Quran-4:74- Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory (i.e. killed or be killed) - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
Quran-4:95- Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons (sacrifice both life and wealth) than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.
Quran-3:169-: Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; (Here Allah is saying that those jihadi who dies [commit suicide] is not dead but he will be living with Allah).
Now, I do not believe that anybody can have slightest doubt that the above clear invitations (from Allah) for the ardent fanatical believers can very easily convince the blind pukka (pure) Muslims to become a time-bomb (suicidal) in order to kill infidels/kaffirs-for the cause of Allah! The above verses (9:111; 3:169; 4:74; 4:95) are clearly ordering devout Muslims "to kill and be killed"; that is, Allah is teaching Muslims to sacrifice their own lives (to commit suicide) in His cause (Allah's cause) in order to kill infidels (enemy of Allah). This single verse (9:111) very precisely justifies suicide bombing-the most lethal, most terrifying, most inhuman and most successful weapon majority Islamic terrorists are using today to kill Allah's enemies. It is the perfect example (without any ambiguity) of suicidal method Allah has prescribed for devout Muslims. In the verse above (9:111) Islamic Allah clearly saying that: He (Allah) purchased life and property of believers in exchange of lustful and unimaginable lucrative heavenly pleasures for those who will die (commit suicide) for the cause (killing kaffirs) of Allah. After this, Muslims (ardent followers of the Quran) do not need any more killing instructions for their motivation to kill kaffirs/infidels. For good reason we can sum up that the Islamic God (Allah) is the most dangerous deity having unlimited vengeful, cruel, intolerant, intimidating and war-loving blood thirsty divine entity.
But, Holy Koran has hundreds of more killing verses: Readers please read (in my attached article) some of these lovable Koranic verses: 8:39,9:29, 3:85, 9:39, 9:73, 8:65, 8:66, 4:78, 9:5, 9:28,8:67, 8:17, 9:23, 2:191, 2:193, 5:33, 4:89, and hundreds of more and much more Sahih hadiths where Allah ask Muslims simply to slaughter all non-muslims as well as bad muslims too! Are you color blind Mr. Zamir? Please open your own Koran and read it in details only to find Allahs love affairs with all non-muslim kaffirs and infidels!!!!   I urge you to read my articles (attached) and learn well why devout Muslims all over the world are busy killings and beheading all non-muslims. And people like yourself--making Taqqiyya only to help those jihadists to deceive all non-muslims. Whole Koran is loaded with hatreds and asking devout muslims to do jihad to eliminate all un-believers in islam only to establish Islam all over the world. 
Mr. Zamir said: "So, a true follower of Islam must therefore stand up against all sorts of terrorism and violence; and instead propagate peace, mercy and forgiveness..... The condemnation of violence is deeply rooted in true Islamic values based on the Qur'anic instructions and the tradition of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)...... So, a true follower of Islam must therefore stand up against all sorts of terrorism and violence; and instead propagate peace, mercy and forgiveness."      

My response: Where are those good/moderate muslims? Where are the protest against pious muslims who are busy killing non-muslims? Absolutely none. Only some hypocrites like you who are doing Taqqiyya only. There are only whole bunch of utter ignorant muslims and many more devout muslims who are obeying Koran by killing non-muslims. How muslims can go against the sacred Koran by which Allah asked to kill, kill, and kill, and be killed? Do you have any answer to all these questions?  

Actually, all terrorists are the real Muslims, and they are the Muslims by the book. All others so called progressive Muslims (living in the western comfort) are simply Muslims by virtue of their birth in a Muslim family only. They don't know real Islam. 

I urge you Mr. Zamir to read all the attached articles and please tell me who is wrong here!!!!  Thank you very much.


Sincerely,


Syed K. Mirza (SKM)

(A sincere Koran reader)


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, mahfuzur@aol.com <mahfuzur@aol.com> wrote:
                        Islam and terrorism: response to Zahid B. Zamir's article in the Daily Star, January 14, 2015
 
   Zahid  Zamir rightly decries terrorism and many, me included, will agree with him. Under the denunciation, however, lies the facile, age-old assertion that Islam is a religion of peace, and that terrorism cannot be compatible with such a faith. "The word Islam came," he says "from the same Arabic root as the word peace." End of story? Have we not heard it a million times?   (Incidentally, "Islam" can also be said to have been derived from, "submission" to the will of Allah.)  As usual, there are quotes from the Koran and storied from hadith purporting to show how peace-loving Allah wants Muslims to be. While there are many words, there are precious little facts and history.
    It is the height of irony that Mr. Zamir invokes Robespierre, who "first used terrorism by sending thousands of people to Guillotines." I ask him to cast his mind some fourteen hundred years back. Terror by execution has a history that long predates the Reign of Terror under the French Revolution. Look at the scene that follows, for example.
   The year is 5 A.H. The besieged Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayzah has surrendered to the Prophet of Islam. The men of the tribe, numbering anywhere between 600 and 900, are lined up. Then, one by one they are beheaded, 'Ali and Zubayr, the Prophet's companions, leading the slaughter.  Trenches dug to receive the blood of the victims fill up. The high heavens fill up with the wails of women and children. The Prophet personally beheads the only woman condemned to die.
   The terror of 5 A.H. is a historical fact, recorded, among others, by the historian Al- Tabari,  and I am sure Mr. Zamir knows it. Yet in his mind it is eclipsed by the terror of the French Revolution. Neither does he mention assassinations ordered by the Prophet of Islam.  Among them was the killing of Ka'ab bin-al Ashraf, a Jewish poet. Apparently the man was not well disposed towards the Prophet and is reported to have written poems satirizing him. (Smacks of  Charlie Hebdo?) According to Sahih Al-Bukhari the Messenger of God said "Who will kill Ka'b bin al- Ashraf who has hurt allah and His Messenger?" A companion promptly agreed to kill the ruffian. The assassination was duly accomplished. Soon after, Abu Rafi, another Jew, was assassinated.  Sahih Al-Bukhari describes the killing in considerable detail. After the killing, the assassin, by the name of Atik, told his accomplices that Allah has killed Rafi, and went on to report to the Prophet that the mission had been accomplished.
    These blood-letting and cruelty speak louder than any of Mr. Zamir's pious wishes and quotations, and I have only so much time to deal with them. Muslims who have so far been content with the "Islam- is- a- religion -of- peace" slogan alone must think harder.
     Talking of that history, it is gorier than the above accounts may suggest. Much of the present acts of barbarism by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, ISIS, has been inspired by history of the caliphate that followed the Prophet's death.  Starting with the rule of caliph 'Uthman, the third Rightly Guided caliph, bloodshed started among Muslims themselves, with each belligerent faction claiming right on its side. Among the factions were the Khawarij, perhaps the most blood-thirsty.  This is that caliphate the ISIS takes to, with its Khawarij faction as its role model.  It is also that mirage of the Rightly Guided caliphs many 'true' still Muslims look up to.  Mr. Zamir seems oblivious of that bloody history.
  It has become routine for Islamists to present selective readings of the Koran and then assume that is all that is needed to 'prove' that Islam is a religion of peace and love  This is no place to go into this issue in detail.  Mr. Zamir's citation of several verses of the Koran purporting to urge men to treat fellow human beings with kindness and love call to my mind these verses of the Koran:
                   For the worst of the beasts in the sight of God are those who reject Him…(8.55)                                                                                                                               
And:
                  O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean, so let them not, after this year of
                   theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. (9.28)                                                                                                                                            
      One naturally wonders if it is possible for humans to love those whom God damns so utterly? 
     
        Mahfuzur Rahman      
 
 
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Mr. Zamir,
 
Thanks for your excellent article. But I feel it was one-sided. I posted the following comments, but not sure if it went. I don't do FB, nor did I sign up for the TDS.
 
Regards,
 
RC
 
Excellent piece. Good quotes from the Holy Quran. These quotes should be widely circulated. But there is one aspect missing in the article. One does not become a thief out of nothing. To start with, want or deprivation makes one a thief, then it becomes his habit and then a profession. Similarly one is not born with a seal of terrorist. Circumstances force him/her to be one. Once someone becomes a professional terrorist, he will put forward any argument to justify his/her action. To root out terrorism, one must go to the root cause and try to remove those causes. Treating the patient is okay, but treating the disease is more important. But few will attempt that, other than blaming and condemning the terrorist and the terror acts. Everybody knows the underlying cause of the mid-east problems but nobody will dare to fix it.


Lately there are many theories in the print to suggest that much of the terrorist activities of the past were state-sponsored. Therefore, it is difficult to apportion the blame. 
 

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Subject: An article in the Daily Star
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:50:16 -0500

Assalamu' Alaikum. Here is an article of mine published in today's daily star on Islam and Terrorism . Here is the link for your information. please pen a few sentences in the comment section after you are done reading. Although Daily star has reduced the size from 1700 words to 1000 words, the message still gets across. 

Waassalam.

Zahid 

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