Monday, September 14, 2009

Re: [mukto-mona] SEMINAR on my Sharia-book & Sharia-Movie

Mr. Latif In 2004, Rania al—Baz, who had been beaten by her husband, made her ordeal public to raise awareness about violence suffered by women in the home in Saudi Arabia.

Many people justify their beliefs and actions by the word of religion, such as Shariah as if it is the literal word of God. Is there way to prove that, some archeological evidence actually proves otherwise?

Hegel, a 19th century philosopher, argued that if you are a member of an organized religion, you become a product of that religion and not a product of humanity, where you are unable to distinguish between a religious consciousness and your natural human consciousness.

Hassan Mahmud didn't give his own verdict on religion. He shows how far the Shariah law deviated from the Holy Quran. It is the right way to judge the role of so-called Shariah people's exploitation. The Koran is the source of Islamic law and interpretation and consensus are the final determination of what the law is. The qiyas, a sort of reasoning by analogy that extends the law to issues not explicitly addressed in the holy texts. Show minimum respect that shows the originality or otherwise prove it is wrong. Without giving an example no one could be a critic.

Momtaz Ahmed

Canada

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[mukto-mona] BANGLADESH: Rural mothers lack awareness of malnutrition risks - experts

41% children under 5yrs -- underweight... - where is our future???

DHAKA, 14 September 2009 (IRIN) - Rural mothers in Bangladesh lack adequate knowledge about malnutrition risk factors, say experts.

Forty-one percent of children under five are underweight and 43 percent are stunted due to malnutrition, the latest Bangladesh Demographic and Health Survey (BDHS) reports.

"The lack of awareness among rural mothers in our country is alarming," AKM Azad Choudhury, a leading child care specialist in the country, told IRIN in Dhaka.

"Few are conscious about the proper diet of an infant," he explained, adding that many were ignorant about the aggravating effect malnutrition had on other childhood diseases.

Diarrhoea and pneumonia are responsible for 36 percent of deaths among children aged 1-5 in Bangladesh, health officials say.

According to the latest national Child and Mother Nutrition Survey (CMNS), only 30.9 percent of rural mothers have proper knowledge regarding the importance of exclusive breastfeeding in the first six months of life, and only 38.8 percent knew the proper age of complementary feeding.

"Maintaining a balanced diet is crucial in avoiding malnutrition. The people of our country, especially in the rural areas are not properly informed about the importance of having a balanced diet," Ferdousi Begum of Dhaka Medical College (DMCH) told IRIN.

Over 80 percent of the Bangladeshi diet is comprised of rice, he said.

Photo: David Swanson/IRIN

Of children born to illiterate mothers, 46.8 percent are underweight – more than twice the percentage of those born to mothers with formal education

Education makes a difference

Of the children born to illiterate mothers, 46.8 percent were underweight and 52.4 percent were stunted, CMNS shows.

However, among children whose mothers had 10 or more years of formal education, those numbers dropped to 21.4 and 24.7 percent respectively, it added.

But bringing about change will not be easy in Bangladesh: Child malnutrition levels are higher here than in many places in Africa.

"The ratio of underweight children in Ethiopia, Rwanda and Uganda is 38 percent, 22 percent and 20 percent, which is much better than Bangladesh," Tahmeed Ahmed, head of the nutrition programme of the International Centre for Diarrhoeal Disease Research, Bangladesh (ICDDR,B), said.

Leading international medical journal The Lancet, lists Bangladesh among 20 countries which are home to 80 percent of the world's malnourished children.

Government efforts

In 1995, with support from the World Bank, Bangladesh launched the National Nutrition Programme (NNP), aimed at improving the country's nutritional status.

"We are trying hard to address the malnutrition situation. A lot of progress has been made but we still have a long way to go," Mustafizur Rahman, assistant director of NNP, said.

The NNP and other branches of the government's Health and Family Welfare Ministry and Education Ministry regularly launch public campaigns to increase awareness about malnutrition.

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=86135

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RE: [mukto-mona] SEMINAR on my Sharia-book & Sharia-Movie

Hello Mr. Latif,
So you believe the living legend, most read and respected columnist in the Bangla Universe, Abdul Gaffar Choudhury is not an intellectual and Hasan Mahmood is a confused Islamic scholar! You could convince us if you could establish your authority for making these comments. Once a person made such a blistering comment on Gaffar Choudhury in my presence. I immediately demanded his credentials to make such comments. He said he passed his BA exams and has read a few of Gaffar Choudhury's articles.When I told him about his short stories, poems, his epoch making editorials, his innumerable columns of various nature and his unique position in the hearts 225 million Bangalis, he became very sorry and apologized to all present there for his stupid comment.
Mukta-mona is a forum for free thinking intellectuals. Our members will definitely call you an opinionated idiot if you do not prove your case against these two celebrities with elaborations.
Belal Beg

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: latifakm@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:26:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] SEMINAR on my Sharia-book & Sharia-Movie

what does A.Gaffar Chowdhruy Know about sharia? Why do consider him as a intellectual?

We know Sharia itself a man made vested interest, what does necessary to do research on it? just avoid it, individual whom practices sharia as his personal beliefe& choice as well as like as freethinker can be thought in his own way.Why we don't tolerate to diverse ideology.

Better to leave it individual choice and perception.Mr Hassan is a self-propagada person,such type of Seminar is one of his self-drumbeating element,no doubt.I have gone thorough his relevant book, I have found him as a cofused entity, he is saying "Nobighi said' like this belief content, in contrast oppose his (nobigi) given dogmas.Mr Hassan neither a agnostic nor a atheist nor a true believer nor a "Protha birodi' intellegentia but simply a self-potroit media coverage person as well

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From: Hasan Mahmud <hasan.mahmud@hotmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] SEMINAR on my Sharia-book & Sharia-Movie [1 Attachment]
To: "MUKTO MONA" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "RAIHAN- BLOG" <mukti4bd@yahoo.com>, "MUKTO CHINTA" <mukto-chinta@yahoogroups.com>, "KHOBOR" <khobor@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 3:16 AM

FYI, and see attachment - now it goes beyond....

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SEMINAR on ISLAM O SHARIA and show of Sharia Docu-Movie HILLA
Author - Hasan Mahmud

This is a theological struggle with Islamic mechanism against the violent interpretation of Islam. The book is available in Pathok Somabesh, Aziz Supermarket near PG hospital, Dhaka.

Chairperson : Ambassador Waliur Rahman.

Chief Guest : Abdul Gaffer Chowdhury (Columnist, writer of "Amar Bhayer Rokte Rangano...." )

Speakers : Professor Dr. Syed Anwar Husain, Professor Dr. Shawkat Ara Husain, Mr. Shah M. Khairul Mustafa, Professor Nisar Husain and Professor Dr. Sukomal Barua and 2 from Projonmo 71.

Date 9th September, 5 Pm onward, iftar will be provided at BILIA Auditorium, House 22 Road 7 Dhanmondi Suhrawardy Bhaban

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[ALOCHONA] No India’s (JUJU) Fear of Sheikh Hasina!

No India's (JUJU) Fear of Sheikh Hasina!

M.T. Hussain

Silly

On the 9^th September, Sheikh Hasina, the leader of the House and the Prime Minister of Bangladesh while speaking in the Parliament and seen in the TV screen looked very exuberant and confident that she had no fear at all of India JUJU. Her logic and assertion appeared to have been based on that the people of Bangladesh fought for and sacrificed for independence in 1971. On the same evening in the Parliament there was a row and serious indiscipline continuing for fifteen minutes as the report we had in the media that the 1971 war owed all to the armed men and not to any politicians! The indiscipline cooled down only after the State Minister Tajul Islam, himself an army man and freedom fighter amended his comment and included in the list the politicians, as well. The other silly remark she made was that should Bangladesh not join the 'Asian Highway' the country would be isolated from the world!

Sheikh Hasina in 1971

Recalling back one may find that Sheikh Hasina in 1971 had both good and bad days; she had been carrying her first issue JOY and her father in the West Pakistan prison. The independence war went on in the real war fronts not only in the absence of her father but also in her being in almost royal care of the army doctors and nurses in the Dhaka Cantonment Combined Military Hospital (CMH). In that sense State Minister Tajul Islam was right before amending his first comment about politicians' participation in the war fronts. Many fought undoubtedly very courageously for the name of Hasina's father but none for Hasina's name, because she was then a young house wife of a working young scientist and rarely known to other people except to the very near ones. The question of her participation in the war did not arise at all for her age just passed teens and first child carrying or expecting mother. Only historical forces and incidents of rare kind made her the P.M. not only this time in 2009 but also in the earlier term (1996-2001). Even so, when she as the P.M. shows courage for upholding the sovereignty of Bangladesh against India (JUJU), the attitude is undoubtedly laudable. People would appreciate her in the exuberance shown. But the crucial questions remain elsewhere.

India in 1971

The first is the tricky issue of legacy of India's active help in the 1971 war of independence and the way they came in for help that in the end despite heroic sacrifices of the Bangladeshi freedom fighters, the war ended in the form of war between India and Pakistan. Whatever may have been the argument against this thesis and whatsoever have been the style of rhetoric, the surrender of Pakistan Eastern Command was not made, in fact, to the joint command of the Mukti Bahini and the Indian Army Eastern Command but to the Indian command General Arora alone who signed the document as against Pakistan's General Niazi. That documentarily made Bangladesh then an occupied territory of Indian army. The incident preceded another lacuna that established India as the invader for at least three days of the territory of East Pakistan starting on the 3^rd December 1971 for the simple reason that Indian Government did not recognize Bangladesh as an independent country until on the 6^th December 1971. Such initial lacunas put the Indian lordship on top that clearly impinged on and limited the sovereignty of Bangladesh. Thus until the withdrawal of the Indian army in March 1972, Bangladesh had been not only under Delhi's full army control but also the administration were being run by them.

Fall out of 1971

The withdrawal of the Indian Army from the soil of Bangladesh was not completed and took effect unless and until the so-called 'friendship' treaty was undertaken on the 19^th March 1972 in Dhaka that made Dhaka in reality subservient to Delhi for the term of 25 years set therein. The articles of the treaty 8, 9 and 10 were clear proofs for the point. That amazingly looked like an extension of the Seven Point Treaty Tajuddin, the Exile Government P.M., undertook as pre condition for armed help before the war began in December 1971. The interesting issue about the total subservience under the treaty was such that the then Acting President of the country Syed Nazrul Islam got fainted as Tajuddin had signed the treaty in his presence in Delhi for the document was nothing but a signed piece of paper for Bangladesh to give in to remain bonded subservient to Delhi for good for Delhi's help for winning in the impending war against Pakistan and getting Bangladesh out of Pakistan frame work. The clauses 8, 9 and 10 of the 25-year treaty, in fact, formalized those conditions of subservience Tajuddin had yielded. In other words, the recognized formal leader of Bangladesh gave a clear and irrevocable nod to those disabilities about sovereignty of Bangladesh at per with India.

1996 onwards

The treaty duration expired in March 1997 when Hasina had been in power as the P.M. in her first term. She tried to renew the treaty for her safe survival, but could not do so for stiff opposition in the country against the treaty. But she took other means to give India other advantages against the sovereignty of Bangladesh. The first one being the 30 years treaty for Ganges water sharing that in fact gave all advantage to India so much so that Bangladesh since then continued to receive less than what normal natural quantity should have been obtained as from the age old natural course of water flow down in Bangladesh territory in the Padma River. The other one was the inequitable treaty signed with the Hill Tracts people so much so that the people other than tribal groups turned into second-class citizens in their own 'sovereign' country.

Term 2009 onwards

In the second term she began in January 2009, she is well on for giving land transit to India first by nodding to use the Ashuganj River port that was resisted by the people for decades, seems to have yielded to India for the Tipaimukh Dam /Barrage at the cost of consequent desertification of about one fourth of the eastern south of Bangladesh that is estimated to cost Bangladesh nearly two and a quarter million Taka loss of production etc. each year for adverse effects of the Tipaimukh Dam just as Farakka Barrage's adverse effects have been costing nearly one and half million Taka each year to Bangladesh and would continue so possibly at increasing figures year after year. Nod is given by the recent visit of the Bangladesh Foreign Minister also to the loss of Bangladesh due to India's Gazaldoba Barrage erected recently at the upstream of the River Teesta like the Farakka is yet to be figured out but the likely figure would be anything of thousands of million Taka each year as adverse effects during each dry season scarcity of water flow since about a decade now as the Teesta Irrigation Project of Bangladesh has been made almost nonfunctional due to withdrawal of almost all water in the dry season by India (See, Asaf Ud Dowla, Daily Naya Diganta, 13 September, 2009). The amazing thing is that when she has been pursuing without putting the slightest resistance against India for the sovereignty of the country clearly as a loyal good woman of India, her humbug on the question of sovereignty can be nothing, to say the least, but only absurd rhetoric.

Anti-Indians

It is reported in The Times of India on September 11, 2009 that Delhi need be 'hard' on Dhaka for anything and everything that Bangladesh tend to hit India's interest. The prestigious daily of India has invented that the bureaucracy and intelligence people being trained as 'anti-Indian' have been trying to restrain Hasina to become soft on India in any matter! What a new theory! Fortunately, the daily has, in their way, reconfirmed that compared to the patriotic bureaucracy she is much more for protecting Indian interests. Albeit, so. How can she forget that she had the best sympathy and protection in Delhi not only during her six years of trying time following the 1975 August coup in Dhaka but also it is well known that Delhi played the crucial role in bringing her the second term into power this time in the December 2008 general election revealing lately as the fraudulent one of only of its kind in the history of Bangladesh.

Humbleness

The real situation and geographical position is that Bangladesh has remained encircled by Indian territories almost on all sides. Bangladesh has, as such, genuine fear (JUJUR VOE) against the sovereignty and that mainly from India not only for India encircling Bangladesh but also much bigger in military might in comparison to the much smaller might of Bangladesh. There is thus no scope to remain careless about the threat that may at any time come from India as the past experience shows that since six decades now she has forcibly occupied many of her smaller neighbors and assimilated them all into the Indian domain, the only exception has been the continuing resistance in the Indian held Jammu and Kashmir.

India's fear

I am sure India has a genuine fear that should India violate the sovereignty of Bangladesh, she might face continued resistance like the overwhelming people of Jammu and Kashmir now going on with huge sacrifices for over six decades. If Hasina has in mind the example of the continued resistance of the overwhelming majority people of Jammu and Kashmir, that is certainly appreciable and a different matter.

Hasina grossly wrong

I am afraid she is grossly wrong, illogical and very much silly when she said that Bangladesh would be isolated from the world unless it gets on the Asian High way obviously the way India has imposed on Bangladesh. Is that at all so? If she had really meant Asian Highway of the type of historic Grand Trunk Road of the 16^th century that would have been something worth. Because we could then get road connection to the east and the West from further east of Akiab (Myammar) to Bangladesh to Delhi to Peshawar to Khybar to Kabul and onwards, not only to Nepal and Bhutan, our two other closest neighbors. Let's not be fooled that we are now in 2009 A.D. in the fastest moving internet-age connecting one another from one corner of the globe to another in seconds, not even minutes. Besides, road transports are now a day considered not at all suitable for heavy goods both for quantity and for road durability in alluvial soil that most Bangladesh soil is. Bangladesh had no direct road/rail transports for the last six decades the way India has been insisting on and Hasina seems to have yielded to the idea. Even so, the people of Bangladesh, much less the country had not been isolated from the world. The silly remarks she made in the Parliament might have made, if one may use the term used by BBC's renowned journalist Serajur Rahman, the HUQQA HUAs pleased but not any sensible one in the country.

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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum

So u don't believe 3 million of our people did not perish in our war of independence ,I guess only way u would feel the pain if ur mother or sister was raped or brother or father or brother were butchered my paki or rajakat. !
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From: "ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@q8.com>

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:33:16
To: <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum

Dear Alochok Habib

Nice for you to have such faith in the election held under the CTG.

Maybe 110% of the votes were cast in the same places that 3 million people were buried in 1971.

Please let me know where 3 million people are buried.

regards

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

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> He is nothing but the "hired Bhudhijibi" of the Awami Camp. He just re-iterated his Masters voice.
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> Now, 'democracy is for the fully grown adults." Insteresting! Since 1996 to 2007, according to Ms Majid our politicians were children.
> As soon as with the help of pro-Awami Election Commission, when Awami League ascended to the Throne, now they have become adult including 59 years Sheikh Hasina and 64 years Begum Zia. I did not know that in Bangladesh someone needs to wait that long to be an adult.
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> AWAMI League leaders of the middle variety as well as a few of the top ones â€" or should we say ex-top ones â€" have recently started to deride the caretaker government system which has been in place for almost two decades. It is stated to have been an experiment that has lived out its purpose and time, and is ready to be discarded.
> Â Â Â The Awami League has, of course, said that it is not a decision and that the issue should be debated and even the Election Commission should be part of the debate but the intentions are clear â€" it does not want the caretaker government system anymore.
> Â Â Â The caretaker government system was introduced as an interim measure in 1990 after the fall of Ershad following the mass movement. The movement had been on for nearly a decade against the somewhat feeble regime of Ershad because the two contenting parties â€" the Bangladesh Nationalist Party and the Awami League â€" were so antagonistic to each other that they never even managed to get together to fight their common enemy jointly, allowing Ershad to go on for so long.
> Â Â Â Once Ershad had fallen, there was no succession and so the concept of â€˜neutral caretaker governmentâ€™ under Justice Shahabuddin Ahmed, then the chief justice of the Supreme Court, took over, a concept born out of necessity. It was supposed to be an interim, short-term arrangement in view of the complete lack of trust of the political parties in each other at that time. The arrangement worked the first time but trust in each other never increased. The arrangement was incorporated into the constitution in 1996.
> Â Â Â The arrangement was never popular but everyone accepted it because it was convenient for the two warring parties during an election. The neutral tag of the caretaker government soon disappeared as the interim members of the government were largely split between representatives of both the
> parties but it swayed and rolled on till in 2006-7 when it faced its worst crisis when the BNP abused the mechanism to an absurd level. Its very transparent manipulation attempt exposed the fact that even this system could itself cause a crisis. That such action by politicians can hurt the system so badly that political options can disappear from the table leaving only violence behind. The inevitable result was the military-backed civilian takeover and the rest is well known. The Awami League had even then expressed unhappiness and now is doing so again. Why the sudden acceleration of dislike of the system which has brought them to power through the 2008 elections is not well understood. Meanwhile, the BNP has already expressed opposition to the idea as expected.
> Â Â Â The system of non-party supervision of elections is a unique system in the world
> and product of our political parties and their immaturity and absolute inability to come to power through fair and public participatory methods. The situation could be worth changing if the situation had improved but, remarkable as it may seem, our political parties have remained as unable to be part of a democratic process as they were two decades back in 1990. The reason which had led to the birth of the neutral caretaker government system remains as valid as it was then. So what has changed since then that the Awami League is keen to replace it with a party-in-power- based election is not understood?
> Â Â Â Speculation one â€" the Awami League wants to do a BNP in future, that is just as the BNP distorted the system to try to stay on in power in 2006 by manipulating the mechanism. It couldnâ€™t face the idea of handing over power after only a term
> and it was very unsure that it could win on a popular ticket. It was a desperate move that backfired on them.
> Â Â Â The Awami League till now has been having a very bad time since elections and its performance is not winning vote points. Many of the problems it faces have grown over the years under both party regimes and by ignoring such issue they have now become huge and perhaps unmanageable. If the Awami League canâ€™t handle them, unpopularity is inevitable and that may translate into an electoral disaster the next time. The party may not want to risk a free and fair election under the present system. Hence, it wants to do away with it and reduce risk unlike the BNP which wanted to keep the system but manipulate it.
> Â Â Â Speculation two â€"
> the Awami League believes that the time is right for making a move that will further push the BNP into a corner. The BNP doesnâ€™t resemble a winnerâ€™s party anymore and the tag of corruption and support to terrorist elements is a major burden for the BNP. It does have a degree of dependence on these elements for its political clout but, as the regional concern for extremist violence grows, the Awami League may find itself as a facilitator of clamping down on such forces. The Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, the BNPâ€™s main ally, is basically a Pakistan-based party of its ancestors, and its brothers in Pakistan arenâ€™t doing too well as all extremists get lumped together there as â€˜enemiesâ€™ as the fight against the Taliban expands. These parties while varying in their extremism are all ideologically anti-Indian and if that is an ideology, then it will soon become involved in regional politics, if not terrorism. Should the security scenario become more
> dangerous, there may be a nod to the Awami League to at act tough against such elements and both the BNP and Jamaat may be at the receiving end of the AL stick with regional and global support behind it. So if the Awami League emerges as the only goods on the political shelf the neutral caretaker government system will lose relevance.
> Â Â Â Speculation three â€" the Awami League knows that the BNP is weakened and after the war crimes trials which will be held most probably even if in a diminished manner, both the BNP and Jamaat will be on the back foot and the Awami League will be able to push through a series of changes suiting its politics. If the BNP can be shown to have consorted too closely with Jamaat, which is certain to be linked with war crimes, if not tried as such, the Awami League will hope to cut down the level of street opposition and
> push its new plan. The time may be right according to them.
> Â Â Â These may well be what the Awami League is thinking and it doesnâ€™t matter if they are speculation or not but the fact of the matter is, the Awami League is on the move to cut down a system which, given our political performance, should stay much longer. The people of Bangladesh have shown that they have political maturity but the BNPâ€™s action during its last regime and the Awami Leagueâ€™s action since coming to power in its last incarnation can hardly make anyone think that Bangladesh has reached a state of political stability under which fair elections will be or can be held.
> Â Â Â Of course there are two factors that can make or unmake the argument. One is the function of
> the Election Commission and the other is the role of the army.
> Â Â Â It can be argued that the caretaker government is not necessary as the Election Commission is strengthened enough. This is a key question but there have been doubts about the level of power the commission enjoys and if those powers actually allow it to supervise the entire electoral process and the conducting of related business. The tirade of the BNP politician Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury against the commission after it declared him guilty of misinforming it about his educational qualifications the people and his refusal to resign followed by threats are indicators that the commission is still far short of the powers that would give it the kind of clout needed to ensure a free and fair election even when a party is in power.
> Â Â Â Apart from that, given the history of our politics, there is little evidence that the government will make the Election Commission so strong and independent that it can call the shots in an election no matter who rules the roost. Since our political parties have, in fact, systematically weakened the judiciary and the political institutions, it would take an unrealistic optimist to think that our parties will make any institution stronger than the party in power. In that case, we would not need the caretaker government but right now the Election Commission is nowhere near empowered to make a difference that will see an unpopular government thrown out by the voters even if in power.
> Â Â Â Right now the most organised and strengthened institution in the country is the army and it is their
> tilt to a proper election managed by the Election Commission saw the results that we have now. Itâ€™s no secret that the ex-army chief General Moeenâ€™s actions in this regard hurt the BNP which is why the plethora of cases and condemnations of this man by BNP leaders. However, still now, itâ€™s the military guarantee that ensures civilian rule. That will be so in the future unless some major incident occurs or any new factor is introduced. Is the Awami League hoping that the military will also support this move to end caretaker government thinking that the army has gone pro-Awami League?
> Â Â Â The army wears olive uniforms and not the black coat of the Awami League and its support to the Awami League was strategic given in the best interest of self-preservation. If the AL decision to end the caretaker government system makes it unpopular, a
> generator of instability and again returns the kind of situation which forced the army to act as protector of the state and the army itself, the Awami League may find a friend missing, the friend that matters.
> Â Â Â The decision to try to shift away from an established system that has provided and can provide stability, if both parties decide to respect it, is a matter of great concern. It seems that the Awami League has decided to do so and is now making dry runs but there is no evidence to suggest that it can be carried off because the BNP will certainly oppose it on the streets and the situation is not so strong for the Awami League that it can override them.
> Â Â Â Simply put, Bangladeshi parties donâ€™t have the political maturity, intent or
> will to have free and fair elections when in power. The Election Commission can do a much better job and by strengthening the commission much can be improved and even moved towards a system where the caretaker government will not be required. But, to decide that, a system which is designed to protect the people from the political parties and their antagonism shouldnâ€™t be done away with simply because it looks a good time to act in a way that will ensure the favourite fantasy of Bangladeshi parties â€" endless rule.
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Asian Highway no threat to Bangladesh sovereignty: Hasina

Dear Alochoks

Its very easy to appear like a rabid anti governmnet hyena. I'm talking about myself here. But the more I learn about the Asian Highway the more unhappy I am that it exits Bangladesh back into India.

Why SHOULDN"T it exit into Burma? We could always have a road branching from the main road and up to the north east if necessary.

I also find it difficult to reconcile the 'India is our great friend' argument with the fact that the BSF regularly kills our citizens att he border. Okay, with our population I can see why the 'India is our great friend' brigade doesn't mind if dozens of people are shot dead at our borders.

But surely it shouldn't be surprising that many, many people are unhappy with India.

Apparently the single most important reality that should guide policy in 2009 is that India helped us in 1971. This is how most countries operate their policies. Right?

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, erfanul haque <erfanhaque@...> wrote:
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> hey, if there is no question of sovereignty of our country and we are not compromising anything, then why don't we ask the Indians to give us access to Pakistan the same way. i am sure they wouldn't mind us going thru their country to Pakistan? she must be dreaming. India doesn't have to come to bangladesh to take over our beloved country, they already controlling major businesses as well as people... atleast that's what looks like. i might be jumping the gun too quickly but it do'esn't seem a good idea to have such so called Asian Highway going thru our country.
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> From: Isha Khan <bd_mailer@...>
> To: Dhaka Mails <dhakamails@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:27:17 AM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Asian Highway no threat to Bangladesh sovereignty: Hasina
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> Asian Highway no threat to Bangladesh sovereignty: Hasina
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> Prime minister Sheikh Hasina has told parliament that Bangladesh will have sole control over its stretch of the proposed Asian Highway, rejecting the perceived threat to sovereignty from the highway's probable re-entry into India.
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> While answering questions from the House on Wednesday, she said Bangladesh would have full control. "Our patriotism is not so fragile that we cannot protect our sovereignty. "Even though it will come from India and re-enter through Bangladesh, we will have the control of the huge highway which will connect other countries," Hasina said in reply to a supplementary question from Jatiya Party MP Mujibul Huq Chunnu.
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> "No, we do not believe in the policy of remaining isolated contemplating a so-called fear: India will take our everything," the prime minister said. "The Asian Highway is an international network of routes. There is a propaganda that the highway will connect India from one corner to another. We have to clear the confusion. "It will not only connect Bangladesh with India, but also with Iran, Europe and the middle eastern countries. "Anyone can see the routes of the Asian highway with a Google search," Hasina said. "We will be snapped from the outside world if we don't get connected with the highway".
>
> The prime minister's statement comes in line with the recommendation of the parliamentary standing committee on communications ministry, which recommended choosing one of the two routes of the proposed highway. The first recommended route (AH1) is : Benapole-Jessore- Bhanga-Kanchpur- Sylhet-Tamabil. The other route (AH2) is Banglabandh- Hatikumrul- Tangail-Dhaka- Kanchpur- Sylhet-Tamabil.
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> The main opposition BNP, which remained absent from parliament, has already said it is in favour of the third proposed routes of the Asian highway. That route is Mongla-Khulna- Jessore-Pakshi- Hatikumrul- Dhaka-Kanchpur- Comilla-Chittago ng-Cox's Bazar-Teknaf. It says the first two routes will make Bangladesh strategically dependent on India. The BNP further says these routes will also violate the ESCAP's "connecting capital to capital" principle for the highway.
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> Hasina said UN's ESCAP had already given green signal for Bangladesh's accession to the Asian highway in response to Dhaka's application to be added to the highway. She said the cabinet on June 15, 2009 decided to be added to the Asian highway considering huge potentials for trade and communications with the outside world. The prime minister said the BNP-led four-party coalition government cancelled the ESCAP proposal for the highway on the plea that India would extract transit facilities from Bangladesh.
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[ALOCHONA] Re: AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum

Dear Alochok Habib

Nice for you to have such faith in the election held under the CTG.

Maybe 110% of the votes were cast in the same places that 3 million people were buried in 1971.

Please let me know where 3 million people are buried.

regards

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--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Md.Hasibul Hassan Habib" <think_tank_habib@...> wrote:
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> SH
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> can u tell me please where it was 110%Â casted vote plz
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> rtegards
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> Habib
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> --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Jamil Ahmed <jamil_dhaka@...> wrote:
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> From: Jamil Ahmed <jamil_dhaka@...>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 11:43 AM
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> In bangladesh everything comes to an end suddenly.
> That's our culture. Democracy, decency and smooth transfer of powerÂ are Â foreign concept.
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> --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Enam Haque <enam28@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: Enam Haque <enam28@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 12:24 AM
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> In Bangladesh, it is simply impossible to transfer power under the political government - whether it is BAL or BNP. We need to continue with the caretaker system for long. BAL failed the test in the Upazilla election under the current EC.
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> --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 9:17 PM
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> The timing of writing a piece in favour of abolishing the Caretaker System by Afsan Chowdhury is particularly interesting.
> He is nothing but the "hired Bhudhijibi" of the Awami Camp. He just re-iterated his Masters voice.
> Â
> Now, 'democracy is for the fully grown adults." Insteresting! Since 1996 to 2007, according to Ms Majid our politicians were children.
> As soon as with the help of pro-Awami Election Commission, when Awami League ascended to the Throne, now they have become adult including 59 years Sheikh Hasina and 64 years Begum Zia. I did not know that in Bangladesh someone needs to wait that long to be an adult.
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> Free and fair election. Yes, can be organized but not by the Election Commission under Dr Huda which scored a world record of 87% vote casting in a national election; in many cases with 110% vote casting.
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> From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@ hotmail.com>
> To: Alochona Alochona <alochona@yahoogroup s.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:50:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum
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> Â Â The childish reasoning of this person is to be noted with inyerest.Â Children need caretaking, since they know not how to act responsibly. Democracy is for fully grown adults.
> Â
> Â Â Â Â Â . . . . Simply put, Bangladeshi parties donâ€™t have the political maturity, intent or will to have free and fair elections when in power. The Election Commission can do a much better job and by strengthening the commission much can be improved and even moved towards a system where the caretaker government will not be required. .....
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> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Afsan Chowdhury got it
> right.
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> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
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> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum
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> From: Ezajur Rahman <ezajur.rahman@ q8.com>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:43:42 AM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum
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> AL move to end caretaker system gains momentum
> The system of non-party supervision of elections is a product of our political parties and their immaturity and absolute inability to come to power through fair and public participatory methods. The situation could be worth changing if the situation had improved but, remarkable as it may seem, our political parties have remained as unable to be part of a democratic process as they were two decades back
>
> in 1990, writes Afsan Chowdhury
> Courtesy New Age 24/8/09
> AWAMI League leaders of the middle variety as well as a few of the top ones â€" or should we say ex-top ones â€" have recently started to deride the caretaker government system which has been in place for almost two decades. It is stated to have been an experiment that has lived out its purpose and time, and is ready to be discarded.
> Â Â Â The Awami League has, of course, said that it is not a decision and that the issue should be debated and even the Election Commission should be part of the debate but the intentions are clear â€" it does not want the caretaker government system anymore.
> Â Â Â The caretaker government system was introduced as an interim measure in 1990 after the fall of Ershad following the mass movement. The movement had been on for nearly a decade against the somewhat feeble regime of Ershad because the two contenting parties â€" the Bangladesh Nationalist Party and the Awami League â€" were so antagonistic to each other that they never even managed to get together to fight their common enemy jointly, allowing Ershad to go on for so long.
> Â Â Â Once Ershad had fallen, there was no succession and so the concept of â€˜neutral caretaker governmentâ€™ under Justice Shahabuddin Ahmed, then the chief justice of the Supreme Court, took over, a concept born out of necessity. It was supposed to be an interim, short-term arrangement in view of the complete lack of trust of the political parties in each other at that time. The arrangement worked the first time but trust in each other never increased. The arrangement was incorporated into the constitution in 1996.
> Â Â Â The arrangement was never popular but everyone accepted it because it was convenient for the two warring parties during an election. The neutral tag of the caretaker government soon disappeared as the interim members of the government were largely split between representatives of both the
> parties but it swayed and rolled on till in 2006-7 when it faced its worst crisis when the BNP abused the mechanism to an absurd level. Its very transparent manipulation attempt exposed the fact that even this system could itself cause a crisis. That such action by politicians can hurt the system so badly that political options can disappear from the table leaving only violence behind. The inevitable result was the military-backed civilian takeover and the rest is well known. The Awami League had even then expressed unhappiness and now is doing so again. Why the sudden acceleration of dislike of the system which has brought them to power through the 2008 elections is not well understood. Meanwhile, the BNP has already expressed opposition to the idea as expected.
> Â Â Â The system of non-party supervision of elections is a unique system in the world
> and product of our political parties and their immaturity and absolute inability to come to power through fair and public participatory methods. The situation could be worth changing if the situation had improved but, remarkable as it may seem, our political parties have remained as unable to be part of a democratic process as they were two decades back in 1990. The reason which had led to the birth of the neutral caretaker government system remains as valid as it was then. So what has changed since then that the Awami League is keen to replace it with a party-in-power- based election is not understood?
> Â Â Â Speculation one â€" the Awami League wants to do a BNP in future, that is just as the BNP distorted the system to try to stay on in power in 2006 by manipulating the mechanism. It couldnâ€™t face the idea of handing over power after only a term
> and it was very unsure that it could win on a popular ticket. It was a desperate move that backfired on them.
> Â Â Â The Awami League till now has been having a very bad time since elections and its performance is not winning vote points. Many of the problems it faces have grown over the years under both party regimes and by ignoring such issue they have now become huge and perhaps unmanageable. If the Awami League canâ€™t handle them, unpopularity is inevitable and that may translate into an electoral disaster the next time. The party may not want to risk a free and fair election under the present system. Hence, it wants to do away with it and reduce risk unlike the BNP which wanted to keep the system but manipulate it.
> Â Â Â Speculation two â€"
> the Awami League believes that the time is right for making a move that will further push the BNP into a corner. The BNP doesnâ€™t resemble a winnerâ€™s party anymore and the tag of corruption and support to terrorist elements is a major burden for the BNP. It does have a degree of dependence on these elements for its political clout but, as the regional concern for extremist violence grows, the Awami League may find itself as a facilitator of clamping down on such forces. The Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, the BNPâ€™s main ally, is basically a Pakistan-based party of its ancestors, and its brothers in Pakistan arenâ€™t doing too well as all extremists get lumped together there as â€˜enemiesâ€™ as the fight against the Taliban expands. These parties while varying in their extremism are all ideologically anti-Indian and if that is an ideology, then it will soon become involved in regional politics, if not terrorism. Should the security scenario become more
> dangerous, there may be a nod to the Awami League to at act tough against such elements and both the BNP and Jamaat may be at the receiving end of the AL stick with regional and global support behind it. So if the Awami League emerges as the only goods on the political shelf the neutral caretaker government system will lose relevance.
> Â Â Â Speculation three â€" the Awami League knows that the BNP is weakened and after the war crimes trials which will be held most probably even if in a diminished manner, both the BNP and Jamaat will be on the back foot and the Awami League will be able to push through a series of changes suiting its politics. If the BNP can be shown to have consorted too closely with Jamaat, which is certain to be linked with war crimes, if not tried as such, the Awami League will hope to cut down the level of street opposition and
> push its new plan. The time may be right according to them.
> Â Â Â These may well be what the Awami League is thinking and it doesnâ€™t matter if they are speculation or not but the fact of the matter is, the Awami League is on the move to cut down a system which, given our political performance, should stay much longer. The people of Bangladesh have shown that they have political maturity but the BNPâ€™s action during its last regime and the Awami Leagueâ€™s action since coming to power in its last incarnation can hardly make anyone think that Bangladesh has reached a state of political stability under which fair elections will be or can be held.
> Â Â Â Of course there are two factors that can make or unmake the argument. One is the function of
> the Election Commission and the other is the role of the army.
> Â Â Â It can be argued that the caretaker government is not necessary as the Election Commission is strengthened enough. This is a key question but there have been doubts about the level of power the commission enjoys and if those powers actually allow it to supervise the entire electoral process and the conducting of related business. The tirade of the BNP politician Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury against the commission after it declared him guilty of misinforming it about his educational qualifications the people and his refusal to resign followed by threats are indicators that the commission is still far short of the powers that would give it the kind of clout needed to ensure a free and fair election even when a party is in power.
> Â Â Â Apart from that, given the history of our politics, there is little evidence that the government will make the Election Commission so strong and independent that it can call the shots in an election no matter who rules the roost. Since our political parties have, in fact, systematically weakened the judiciary and the political institutions, it would take an unrealistic optimist to think that our parties will make any institution stronger than the party in power. In that case, we would not need the caretaker government but right now the Election Commission is nowhere near empowered to make a difference that will see an unpopular government thrown out by the voters even if in power.
> Â Â Â Right now the most organised and strengthened institution in the country is the army and it is their
> tilt to a proper election managed by the Election Commission saw the results that we have now. Itâ€™s no secret that the ex-army chief General Moeenâ€™s actions in this regard hurt the BNP which is why the plethora of cases and condemnations of this man by BNP leaders. However, still now, itâ€™s the military guarantee that ensures civilian rule. That will be so in the future unless some major incident occurs or any new factor is introduced. Is the Awami League hoping that the military will also support this move to end caretaker government thinking that the army has gone pro-Awami League?
> Â Â Â The army wears olive uniforms and not the black coat of the Awami League and its support to the Awami League was strategic given in the best interest of self-preservation. If the AL decision to end the caretaker government system makes it unpopular, a
> generator of instability and again returns the kind of situation which forced the army to act as protector of the state and the army itself, the Awami League may find a friend missing, the friend that matters.
> Â Â Â The decision to try to shift away from an established system that has provided and can provide stability, if both parties decide to respect it, is a matter of great concern. It seems that the Awami League has decided to do so and is now making dry runs but there is no evidence to suggest that it can be carried off because the BNP will certainly oppose it on the streets and the situation is not so strong for the Awami League that it can override them.
> Â Â Â Simply put, Bangladeshi parties donâ€™t have the political maturity, intent or
> will to have free and fair elections when in power. The Election Commission can do a much better job and by strengthening the commission much can be improved and even moved towards a system where the caretaker government will not be required. But, to decide that, a system which is designed to protect the people from the political parties and their antagonism shouldnâ€™t be done away with simply because it looks a good time to act in a way that will ensure the favourite fantasy of Bangladeshi parties â€" endless rule.
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