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Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence



A great piece indeed. Thanks Sukhamaya babu. 

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On Aug 13, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

I am unclear as to how the following exchanges between Dr. Roy and Mr. Chakrabarty are related to the Mumbai violence on the media people.
 
The way I see the problem in Mumbai, some criminal elements within the protesting group caused the violence. There is no need to point at their religion; they just need to be punished, as the petitioners below have demanded. Religion teaching violence or not, some people in lawless societies like in India, Bangladesh and Myanmar do have a tendency to get violent. Buddhism is nonviolent, yet members of that religion acted violently against the Rohinga Muslims in Myanmar.
 
As for the exchanges below, let me make two points.
 
I do tell my people that I do not have any faith in the silliness of the religions. Most of my immediate family members are not religious, and they tell me that they do some of the rituals just to go with the flow in the society. However, I do not shy away from telling my more religious family members and neighbors that I do not follow any religion. When I contribute money to the traditional Bain Family Durga Puja, I tell clearly that I do it for the people at my rural family home in Bangladesh to have some fun, not for any religious belief.
 
For religious hatred, I would blame people more than religions. People need to ignore and discard the hatred that can be found in most of the religions. Religions would have no power if people did not follow them. I see a lot of selective praises for religions by both religious and religion-appeasing people. If they can do that, I am sure they can at least do some selective ignoring (not following), if not outright condemning, of religions for the good of all humanity. In fact, I think a lot of the good people who call themselves Muslims and Hindus do actually ignore (not follow) a lot of the hateful aspects of their respective religions.
 
Sukhamaya Bain

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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
 
You said: " They are not stupid; they will decide on their religious belief--there is nothing to impose on them. Experiments with forcefully abolishing religion did not work well.
 
Who is trying to impose anything on anyone? I am not a preacher; I have no intention to implement any of my views on anyone. My goal is to express my mind; that's all. No one needs to accept or follow anything I say. Can I do that, without a challenge thrown at me?
 
You said, religious people are not 'stupid'. I agree. Then, don't try to be their spokesperson? Let them speak for them. When an atheist starts to advocate views of a religious person, it sounds like - 'Bhuter Mukhae Ram-Nam (i.e., Ram-nam from the mouth of a ghost).
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Sun, 8/12/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 10:17 PM

 
I am not inconsistent. Many a time I have said that religion, a man made prouct, is the opiate of the masses. But I am not an extremist. Personally I do not need it, but I try to understand why believers need it and if it is taken away from them how they would be affected. Showing off is one thing and caring about your fellow people is a different thing. We cannot do it sitting in an ivory tower. If you want to try it you will simply be rejected. So you have to go slow if you really want them to be with you. Do not hurt their feelings too hard. They are not stupid; they will decide on their religious belief--there is nothing to impose on them. Experiments with forcefully abolishing religion did not work well. That was my point and if you think carefully you will see no inconsistency. Keep preaching atheism, I have no problem with that. My request was not to ignore the "people" part. 
I put you into a little challenge. Try to implement your atheism idea in your small community, family or an extended family. See what happens. You have sidetracked my challenge. Your comment on the same is still awaited.   
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
 
Subimal: Why do you selectively overlook what I have said?
 
Do you know why I overlook most of your comments? It's because they are inconsistent, in my view.
 
Here is why. You are accusing me of criticizing religion from the ivory tower, and at the same time you are claiming that - you are an atheist. Whenever I criticize religion, you start supporting it, and praising it. Do you see any inconsistency in your thought process? I do.
  
In my previous post, I have defined what makes people unwise, and that was – if people support religion and cannot see the wrong religion has done to the humanity. I call those people unwise. You are an atheist, and you do not agree with my view. To prove me wrong, you brought in your illiterate religious grandmother; you think she was a wise religious woman. I do not know her views, so I can't judge her. I came to this conclusion based on the history of religious violence and conflict around the world, and most recently in Assam and Mumbai. Such conflicts will continue unabated as long as we have various religions on earth. I could understand your point of view clearly if you were a religious man, but you claim that you are not. That's the puzzle, I can't solve. I wonder if you are a fake or a confused atheist.
 
Therefore, my suggestion to you, at this time, would be to know yourself first, and when you do, please be true to yourself and be consistent with your own views. When someone, being an atheist, praise religion, it becomes hypocrisy or confusion. I have no time or patient to hear any more confusing comments from you.
 
Thank you so much.
 
Jiten Roy
 
 
--- On Sun, 8/12/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 1:25 PM

 
Why do you selectively overlook what I have said? I have said I am atheist. I will welcome you as a hero if you can practice in your social life what you preach in limited discussion groups. I have never kept it secret that Taslima Nasrin is a 'hero' to me.  Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Jiten Roy <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

You are right - I cannot accomplish what I want to even in a small forum like this, let alone outside world, all because of people like you, who cannot see through the clutter in spite of possessing required quality and knowledge.


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Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence



I am unclear as to how the following exchanges between Dr. Roy and Mr. Chakrabarty are related to the Mumbai violence on the media people.
 
The way I see the problem in Mumbai, some criminal elements within the protesting group caused the violence. There is no need to point at their religion; they just need to be punished, as the petitioners below have demanded. Religion teaching violence or not, some people in lawless societies like in India, Bangladesh and Myanmar do have a tendency to get violent. Buddhism is nonviolent, yet members of that religion acted violently against the Rohinga Muslims in Myanmar.
 
As for the exchanges below, let me make two points.
 
I do tell my people that I do not have any faith in the silliness of the religions. Most of my immediate family members are not religious, and they tell me that they do some of the rituals just to go with the flow in the society. However, I do not shy away from telling my more religious family members and neighbors that I do not follow any religion. When I contribute money to the traditional Bain Family Durga Puja, I tell clearly that I do it for the people at my rural family home in Bangladesh to have some fun, not for any religious belief.
 
For religious hatred, I would blame people more than religions. People need to ignore and discard the hatred that can be found in most of the religions. Religions would have no power if people did not follow them. I see a lot of selective praises for religions by both religious and religion-appeasing people. If they can do that, I am sure they can at least do some selective ignoring (not following), if not outright condemning, of religions for the good of all humanity. In fact, I think a lot of the good people who call themselves Muslims and Hindus do actually ignore (not follow) a lot of the hateful aspects of their respective religions.
 
Sukhamaya Bain

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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
 
You said: " They are not stupid; they will decide on their religious belief--there is nothing to impose on them. Experiments with forcefully abolishing religion did not work well.
 
Who is trying to impose anything on anyone? I am not a preacher; I have no intention to implement any of my views on anyone. My goal is to express my mind; that's all. No one needs to accept or follow anything I say. Can I do that, without a challenge thrown at me?
 
You said, religious people are not 'stupid'. I agree. Then, don't try to be their spokesperson? Let them speak for them. When an atheist starts to advocate views of a religious person, it sounds like - 'Bhuter Mukhae Ram-Nam (i.e., Ram-nam from the mouth of a ghost).
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Sun, 8/12/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 10:17 PM

 
I am not inconsistent. Many a time I have said that religion, a man made prouct, is the opiate of the masses. But I am not an extremist. Personally I do not need it, but I try to understand why believers need it and if it is taken away from them how they would be affected. Showing off is one thing and caring about your fellow people is a different thing. We cannot do it sitting in an ivory tower. If you want to try it you will simply be rejected. So you have to go slow if you really want them to be with you. Do not hurt their feelings too hard. They are not stupid; they will decide on their religious belief--there is nothing to impose on them. Experiments with forcefully abolishing religion did not work well. That was my point and if you think carefully you will see no inconsistency. Keep preaching atheism, I have no problem with that. My request was not to ignore the "people" part. 
I put you into a little challenge. Try to implement your atheism idea in your small community, family or an extended family. See what happens. You have sidetracked my challenge. Your comment on the same is still awaited.   
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
 
Subimal: Why do you selectively overlook what I have said?
 
Do you know why I overlook most of your comments? It's because they are inconsistent, in my view.
 
Here is why. You are accusing me of criticizing religion from the ivory tower, and at the same time you are claiming that - you are an atheist. Whenever I criticize religion, you start supporting it, and praising it. Do you see any inconsistency in your thought process? I do.
  
In my previous post, I have defined what makes people unwise, and that was – if people support religion and cannot see the wrong religion has done to the humanity. I call those people unwise. You are an atheist, and you do not agree with my view. To prove me wrong, you brought in your illiterate religious grandmother; you think she was a wise religious woman. I do not know her views, so I can't judge her. I came to this conclusion based on the history of religious violence and conflict around the world, and most recently in Assam and Mumbai. Such conflicts will continue unabated as long as we have various religions on earth. I could understand your point of view clearly if you were a religious man, but you claim that you are not. That's the puzzle, I can't solve. I wonder if you are a fake or a confused atheist.
 
Therefore, my suggestion to you, at this time, would be to know yourself first, and when you do, please be true to yourself and be consistent with your own views. When someone, being an atheist, praise religion, it becomes hypocrisy or confusion. I have no time or patient to hear any more confusing comments from you.
 
Thank you so much.
 
Jiten Roy
 
 
--- On Sun, 8/12/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 1:25 PM

 
Why do you selectively overlook what I have said? I have said I am atheist. I will welcome you as a hero if you can practice in your social life what you preach in limited discussion groups. I have never kept it secret that Taslima Nasrin is a 'hero' to me.  Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Jiten Roy <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

You are right - I cannot accomplish what I want to even in a small forum like this, let alone outside world, all because of people like you, who cannot see through the clutter in spite of possessing required quality and knowledge.  It's disappointing, indeed!
Jiten Roy --- On Sun, 8/12/12, subimal chakrabarty <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
To: "http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 12:42 PM

 
 

Most religious people are either unwise or fake. They are unwise because they can't visualize the evil done on earth by what religion. All they need to do is - look around the world with open eyes and minds, but – they can't.---Jiten Roy
-----My grandmother was illiterate. Was she unwise? Or fake? Did religion have any positive impact on her? I think millions of moms, wives, sisters, daughters, and grandmothers are like this. What is your comment on them? Is your comment not too strong and devoid of touch of reality?  
I know – people will still say – religion is not to blame; it's the people, the so called misguided religious fundamentalists, to blame.  That's hogwash; I don't blame anybody, but religion, for this. Some people are just reacting to what religion is feeding to them. Obviously, not everybody will react to the same extent, but - some will. Don't blame them for reacting.------Jiten Roy
------ No question, religion is to blame. But you need to learn which part is shuva sanskar. If you don't do that you will be isolated from the greater society and and you will be irrelevant. Rebels like you are always welcome to me (remember personally I am an atheist). But I do not preach atheism among my friends and relatives as the objective conditions have not yet been created. I however preach humanitarian and rational thinking and scientific outlooks as well. "e pothei alo jweley e pothei prithibir kromomukti hobey, se onek shotabdeer monishar kaaj"---Jibananada Das. No cruel hurry. "phul phutabi baas chhutabi sobur bihoney!"---Madan Baul.     
So, please - no more blame, excuses, and double talks; try to analyze the root cause, if you can, and try to expose all evils of religion on humanity. Also, please don't tell me that some big-shot said - religion is the 'shuva-sanskar,' on earth, because I have seen enough of those shuvo-sanskars by now already. Don't show me anymore.-----Jiten Roy
---- It is easy to speak against religion bitterly in a limited forum, but the case is not same when it comes to a bigger world. You can take a pilot project to verify what I am saying. Rally against all the poojas and religious functions in your area. Stop this in your family and extended family. I will welcome you as a hero. 
Let us not live in the ivory tower to show light to people beneath. Let us descend to the grass root levels and be a part of them in the enlightening and developmental process.
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Sun, 8/12/12, ram puniyani <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jhang45@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ram puniyani <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jhang45@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
To: "Ram Puniyani" <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ram.puniyani@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 1:24 AM

 
Condemnation of Attack on Media in Mumbai
 
 
We strongly and unequivocally condemn the attack on media in Mumbai by a section of people gathered at the Azad maidan to protest the violence in Assam and Burma. Using violence in a protest against violence is an insult to the suffering victims in whose support the protest was purportedly organised.
 
There are many non violent and democratic ways to communicate and protest any grievances, including against the media.  This mindless and shameful action by a few misguided individuals discredits protest and becomes a disservice to a cause.
 
We offer our solidarity with media; sympathy with all those injured and wish for their quick recovery. We urge the government to take immediate and exemplary action against the guilty. We also appeal to all citizens not to get swayed by this isolated and dastardly incidence and allow the situation to become a cause of conflict.  Any communalisation of the situation will be harmful for everyone and totally against the interests of the nation.
 
 
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Mazher Hussain – Hyderabad
Admiral L. Ramdas- Ali Bagh
Mahesh Bhatt- Mumbai
Ram Punyani- Mumbai
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[mukto-mona] Fw: Bangladesh : Investigative Report of BDMW : Attack on Minority village at Rajapur & Abdulpur of Chrir Bandar of Dinajpur district of Bangladesh : [6 Attachments]

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--- On Mon, 8/13/12, Rabindra Ghose <ravin_3bd@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Rabindra Ghose <ravin_3bd@yahoo.com>
Subject: Bangladesh : Investigative Report of BDMW : Attack on Minority village at Rajapur & Abdulpur of Chrir Bandar of Dinajpur district of Bangladesh :
To: "Media Monitor" <media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, August 13, 2012, 2:06 PM


Hi ALL,


Bangladesh Minority Watch (BDMW) investigated the incident of attack on Minority communities belonging to Hindus setting fire on their houses, looting wealth and sexually assaulting women on 4th of August, 2012. ( The Daily Protidin, The daily Ekdin, The Daily Pally Barta, The Karatoa dated 10th of August,2012)
 
Thousands of Muslims militant attacked and destroyed about 50 Hindu houses, ransacked, looted and injured Minority Hindus on 4th of August,12 at about 9 a.m.to 12 a.m. in front of police at Chiriribandor Upazila of Dinajpur District in BANGLADESH.
 
 
1)Chirir Bandar P.S. case No.08 dated 07.08.2012 under section 4(1)5 of speedy Trial Act,2002 against 110 perpetrators.
2)Chirir Bandar  P.S. case No.09 dated 04.08.12 under section 143/323/325/307/332/323/435/436/379/427/186/188/114/ of penal code against 64 perpetrators.
3)Chirir Bandar P.S. case No.10 dated 09.08.2012 under section 4(1)5 of Speedy Trial Act,2002 against 13 perpetrators.
 
Names of perpetrators: -
 
  1. Ms. Hamida Khatun, 2. Serajul Islam, 3. Mohammad Aftab Hosainn Mollah, 4. Al-Amin, 5. Manik Kazi, 6. Rafiqul Islam, 7) Rahman, 8) Majedul Islam, 9) Syedul Islam, 10) Mamun Sah, 11) Md. Faizur Rahman, 12) Faruk, 13) Babu son of Anisur Raman, 14) Aftabuddin- Upazilla Chairman, 15) Tayab Hajee, 16) Kader Mollah, 17) Rafiqul, 18)Rayhan,19) Liaquat, 20) Abul Hossain, 21) Faizer 22) Yakub Ali, 23) Nur Islam, 24) Saidur, 25) Sekandar, 26) Apon son of Farman 27) Dulal 28) Serajul Islam, 29) Zabed Ali, 30) Hasanul, 31) Afil Sah, 32) Momtaz Ali, 33) Faizur Rahman, 34) Saiful Islam, 35) Kamal Sardar, 36) Zakabuddin Sha, 37) Noor Alam Sarkar 38) Noor Amin Sha, 39) Altaf Hossain 40) Babuu 41) Azizer Rahman, 42) Serajul Islam, 43) Ashraful Islam, 44) Afzal Hossain, 45) Shafiqul Islam, 46) Zakir Hossain, 47) Mosharaf Hossain, 48) Nur Islam Babu, 49)Moazzem Hossain, 50) Imran Ali, 51) Gulzer 52) Hasinur Rahman, 53) Shamsul Alam, 54) Mazedur Rahman 55) Mintu Bablu Hossain 56) Kartabuddin, 57) Nur Amin, 58) Hasin Babu, 59) Aminul Islam, 60) Hakimuddin, 61) Ahad Ali, 62) Nurul Mollah, 63) Moznu Kant Sah, 64) Jalil, 65) Reeazul 66) Mohammad Malek, 67) Mahabur Rahman, 68) Saber Ali 69) Abu Taher, 70) Enamul Hoque, 71) Gulzer Rahman, 72) Lokman Hossain 73) Zahidul Islam, 74) Afzal Hossain, 75) Khorshed Ali, 76) Delwar Hossain, 77) Abed Ali, 78) Nure Alam, 79) Sajjad Hosain, 80) Tanzimul Mollah 81) Faruk, 82) Mahatabuddin, 83) Shazad Hossain, 84) Shahajan Ali, 85) Majedur Rahman, 86) Golam Rabbani, 87) Shahajan Ali son of late Faizuddein, 88) Nurul Hoque, 89) Lal Chand, 90) Ghatu 91) Shahajan 92) Md. Hamid, 93) Babu son of Anisur Rahman, 94) Bulbul Sarkar son of Sultan Sah, 95) Mukta, 96) Sunny 97) Rahimuddin, 98) Anwar Hossain, 99) Shahajan Ali, 100) Sultan 101) Mofazzel Hossain, 102) Al-Amin, 103) Bablu 104) Shimanta son of Afazuddin, 105) Delwar, 106) Jewel son of Hamidul, 107) Kamrul 108) Reazul, 109) Bhulu son of Habibur, 110) Arif Hossain, 111) Monayem, 112) Golam Mustafa, 113) Azimat Ali, 114) Wahidul Islam, 115) Quamrul Islam and more 1000-2000 unruly mob.
 
Date and time of occurrence: 4th of August, 2012 at about 9 a.m to 12 p.m
Place of occurrence: Within Rajapur Mouza of Abdulpur Union of Balai Bazaar, Chirir Bandar P.S., District –Dinajpur – Bangladesh.
 
Date of investigation: 9th of August, 2012
Name of investigator: Advocate Rabindra Ghosh, Advocate Abdul, Aziz Kamal Karmakar, Shymol Banarjee, Uttam Kumar Mondal, Joytirmoy Banarjee, Danonjoy Mohanta, Biswanath Singh.
 
Religion of the victims: Hindus.
 
Investigation:

I, on behalf Bangladesh Minority Watch (BDMW) on 09.8.12 along with Mr.Satish Chandra Roy - Ex Minister for Fisheries - Presidium Member  of Awami League and more than 20 HR activists visited the spot, talked with victims, seen the sign of atrocities committed by Muslim perpetrators. We have been given to understand that 72 cows, 105 goats belonging to Hindus have been looted, 16 dwelling houses set on fire, belongings, utensils broken, looted, women had been sexually assaulted. During our fact finding investigation Mrs. Shova Rani and her relatives disclosed that the perpetrators unclothed five women their wearing clothes have been put in the fire which were extinguished and they became nude.
 
Reason for the attack was that, local Muslims were building a Mosque forcefully in a Hindu owned land. The Hindu landlord opposed and filed a case. Because there were tensions, he requested and was able to convince the administration to impose 144. But Muslims broke 144 in front of police and police was silent spectators during the attack. Many injured had been taken to nearest Hospital for treatment.
 
It is also alleged that the Mr.Serajul Munnf Kabir- Upazila Nirbahi Officer (UNO) instigated peaceful Muslims to attack those unarmed and peaceful Hindus on the plea that some Hindus were trying to occupy the lands belonging to Ms. Hamida Begum who was trying to erect a Mosque on the ground of Hindu religious place .The allegation of Ms.Hamida Begum was circulated through sound media which infuriated Muslims resulting serious law and order situation at 6-Union Parishad of Balai Bazaar- Amarpur, Hossainpur and Khaizapur. Imam of UNO Office Mosque and Iman of Ghugra Tali Mosque with intention circulated a wrong information towards peaceful Muslims relating to oppose to construct Mosque Balai Bazar nearer to some Hindu temples.
 
The following victims of Rajapur Union gave us to understand how much damage caused by setting fire and looting on their houses on the date of incident:
 
  1. Birendra Nath Roy of Rajapur who lost properties, houses  due to fire.
  2. Chandra Kanta Roy of Rajapur who lost tube well, cow due to looting of properties.
  3. Niren Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by setting fire, looting of 7 cows and properties.
  4. Subash Chandra Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by setting fire, looting of 4 cows and properties.
  5. Ratan Chandra Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by fire, looting of 2 goats and properties.
  6. Jogesh Chandra Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by fire, looting of valuable properties.
  7. Tapan Chandra Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by fire, looting 4 cows and valuable materials.
  8. Jiten Chandra Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by fire, looting 2 cows and 5 goats including valuable articles. 
  9. Narayan Chandra Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by fire, loot of 1 cow and necessary valuable articles.
  10. Chandan Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by fire, loot of valuable commodities.
  11. Prem Hari Chandra Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by fire, loot of valuable articles.
  12. Heren Roy of Rajapur incurred loss by fire at home, loot of valuables.
  13. Jogen Chandra Roy incurred loss by fire at home, loot of 2 cows, Taka 24,000/- burnt, 14 mounds of paddies, wheat, jute and valuables.
  14. Ranjit Chandra Roy incurred loss by fire, loot of 7 cows and necessary valuables.
  15. Dilip Chandra Roy incurred loss by fire, loot of tube well, 4 cows and necessary articles.
  16. Naresh Chandra Roy incurred loss by fire, looting valuables and utensils. 
  17. Uzzal Chandra Roy incurred loss by looting a cow and valuables.
  18. Sudhir Chandra Roy incurred loss of a cow by looting.
  19. Mohani Chandra Roy incurred loss by fire, looting 2 cows, 5 goats, 2 bags of paddies, 3 mounds of jutes.
  20. Birendra Nath Roy incurred loss by fire, looting 2 cows and 3 goats and necessary articles.
  21. Sudhir Chandra Roy incurred loss by fire, looting of valuables and utensils.
  22. Shambaru Roy incurred considerable loss by fire and destruction.
  23. Niren Chandra Roy incurred loss by fire, looting of 3 cows, 1 tube wells and necessary articles. 
  24. Monindra Nath Roy incurred serious bodily injuries on head and looting of Taka 5,000/- and mobile set.
  25. Ms.Pathani Rani Roy incurred loss of 3 goats by looting.
  26. Sudhir Chandra Roy of Chota Hashimpur incurred loss of houses by fire and looting.
  27. Prafullah Chandra Roy of Chota Hashimpur incurred extinguishing fire on his house.
  28. Jowtish Chandra Roy of Chota Hashimpur was seriously injured by weapon.
  29. Bablu Roy of Chota Hashimpur incurred loss through ransacking his dwelling house.
  30. Shib Nath Roy of Rajapur lost Bi-cycle due to setting fire on it.
  31. Toruni Kanta Sutradhar lost a Bi-cycle due to setting fire by perpetrators.
  32. Krishna Chandra Adhikari lost a Bi-cycle due to setting fire by perpetrator.
  33. Gour Hari Roy lost by looting decorator commodities worth Taka  30,000/-
  34. Shib Babu Roy of Abdulpur incurred loss by setting fire on his house and belongings looted.
  35. Debi Prasad Roy of Abdulpur incurred loss by setting fire on his house, looting TV, Cycle, fans, gold ornaments amounting of Taka 75,000/-
  36. Prodiwp Roy, Gold merchant of Abdulpur incurred a loss of goods, breaking houses, looting of 3 carets of gold and valuables.
  37. Biren Roy of Abdulpur incurred a loss of belongings, looting of 1 carets of gold, one cycle and T.V set and necessary articles.
  38. Shambaru of Abdulpur incurred a loss by looting and breaking houses, one thousand taka, 1 caret of gold and necessary goods.
  39. Prakash of Abdulpur incurred a losses by setting fire of his house, seriously injured now in the Medical hospital.
  40. Bhavesh Roy of Abdulpur incurred loss by setting fire of his house, seriously injured, looting of a cycle and mobile set.
  41. Tapan Roy of Abldulpur incurred loss by setting fire on his house, breaking of steel goods, looting of cycle and other goods; he is in the Hosptal for treatment.
  42. Dasharat Chandra Roy of Abdulpur incurred loss by setting fire on his house, looting of cycle, TV set, breaking of latrine and looting of golden ornaments of Taka 1,50,000/-
  43. Bijoy Roy Abdulpur incurred loss by setting fire on his house, looting of Taka 8,000/-, breaking valuables goods and physical assault. 
  44. Kamal Roy of Abdulpur incurred loss by setting fire on house and shelter house for cows and animals and necessary merchandise looting.
  45. Nipen Roy of Abdulpur incurred loss by setting fire and perpetrators tried to setting fire on baby aged about 3 months of Nipen Roy, he also incurred loss of uncountable valuables.
  46. Debesh Roy Abdulpur incurred loss of a Cycle, one goat, necessary wearing clothes and looting of goods.
  47. Ms.Jutika Roy of Abdulpur incurred loss by attacking women and children, loss of golden herrings, and necessary goods for the house. She was molested by perpetrators.
  48. Toroni Kanta Roy of Abdulpur sustained serious injuries on his body and he is in the Hospital.
  49. Nironjan Roy of Abdulpur sustained a loss of two goats which were looted by the perpetrators.
  50. Ramesh Roy of Abdulpur lost Cycle, TV Set, and cash amounting to Taka 10,000/-
  51. Krishna Pada Roy of Abdulpur was attacked by perpetrators, physically attacked and looting.
  52. Avinash Roy of Abdulpur sustained seriously injured and looting of goods.
  53. Hanu Roy of Abdulpur sustained damage of his house and looting.
  54. Sudasan Roy Abdulpur sustained damage of his house and looting.
  55. Shibu Roy Abdulpur  sustained damage of his house.
  56. Dinesh Roy Abdulpur sustained severe loss by setting fire, physical attack and looting of a cycle, TV sets, one fan and necessary commodities.
  57. Monoranjan Roy Abdulpur sustained loss of a goat which was looted by perpetrators.
 
Although police arrested 15 perpetrators after the incident and took three cases separately to apprehend more attackers, but no action has yet been taken against Serajul Monnaf Kabir- Upazila Nirbahi officer who is responsible for creating violence against Minorities. The Deputy Commissioner- Dinajpur was communicated many times during our visit, but his mobile was found switched off. The Relief materials so far distributed are too insufficient. Destitute homeless Minorities suffered innumerable difficulties after the attack setting fire and looting on their houses.
 
The Minority Women victims at Balai Bazar-Rajapur within Chirir-Bandar of Dinajpur District disclosed how they have been sexually assaulted by perpetrators on 4th August, 12. They have been unclothed and wearing clothes were put in the burning fire and they became nude. Police was informed on the date of our investigation at the spot but till today no such case of Women and Repression was recorded by them. This type of suppression of facts will certainly encourage responsible perpetrators to commit repeated crime against humanity. BDMW is very much concerned as we have been given to understand by the victims on 9th of August,12 and Mr.Satish Chandra Roy-Ex.Minister and Presidium Member of Awami League was also present during our fact finding report. All the statements of the victims have been video taped.

After our ground zero investigation a protest meeting organized by local people presided over by leaders of Awami League attended by Satish Chandra Roy, Ex. Minister and Presidium Member of Awami League, Advocate Rabindra Ghosh, President, Bangladesh Minority Watch, Azizul Imam Chowdhhury- Administrator Zilla Parishad, Farukuzzam Chowdhury Mical, Monmohan Roy, Khhitish Chandra Roy, Mohammad Motaleb Hossaain Sarkar-Upazila Vice chairman, Abu Sadeque, Md. Choton, Advocate Animesh Roy, Professor-Nikhil Chandra Roy were present and spoken. All of them condemned this barbarous incident of attack on Minorities and demanded immediate punishment of the perpetrators responsible for communal attack.
 
 
 
Recommendations: -
 
  1. Immediate sufficient relief materials should be distributed amongst the victims.
  2. Responsible perpetrators should be arrested and they should be brought to book as per law of the country.
  3. An independent enquiry commission consisting High Court Judges should be formed to find out the cause of attack on innocent Minorities of Balai Bazar within Rajapur, Abdulpur of Chirir Bandar of Dinajpur District on 4th August,12.
  4. The Upazila Nirbahi Officer (UNO) responsible for agitating peaceful Muslims to take unlawful action setting fire on houses and looting of wealth belonging to Hindus should be punished.
  5. Immediate Police Camp should be installed for the protection of remaining peaceful minorities of those areas.
  6. Separate case of Women and Repression Act against perpetrators who unclothed minority women during attack should be filed and those perpetrators responsible for creating havoc in the area minority areas should be brought to book.
We came back from Dinajpur on 10th of August,12

Prepared by and submitted by :

Adv. Rabindra Ghosh
Founder President-Bangladesh Minority Watch (BDMW)
12, K.M. Das Lane,, Tikatully, Bholagiri Trust, Sutrapur P.S.,Dhaka, Bangladesh
 
 






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As I know, Sharia law is not a unique thing. It has many forms. We have seen horrifying implementation of one form in Taliban Afghanistan. We have seen a few horrifying cases in the rural Bangladesh also. Saudi Arabia seems to be progressing in this respect. Still the way Sharia law discriminates against women in that country is outrageous. The way the law punishes the guilty in SA is brutal. 

These are the samples of Sharia law I am aware of and naturally I am not impressed at all. I do not, repeat I do not, want Sharia law to replace the more civilized laws that are in force in America or Bangladesh, and for that matter, in any other country. I hate to have a religious tag on the law of the land. As a matter of fact I am against having religious tag on any system like banking system. Any thing from religion that has been time tested will be any way incorporated automatically in legal system, financial system, etc. Any explicit mention would be discriminatory and divisive in a multi-religious or pluralistic society. Religion has to be kept exclusively at personal levels. Intervention of half educated (half educated because they embrace only religious knowledge) clerics in the state matters will push the society backward. Governments must be able to work independently. 

So you see that by implementing Sharia law you segregate in order to 'eliminate' sex crimes, and you do it at the cost of subordinating half of the population to inhuman level. Also sex crimes are not limited to violating a woman by a man, it can also be violating a man by another man. Predatory acts like this are very common in every society. To stop all this law has to be strict and an appropriate set of non-religious will be able to minimize all these sex crimes. 


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Introduction of Shariah law can prevent sexual crime in all religious places as well as in the society , Do you agree or disagree ?

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I have seen numerous cases of sexual incidence in the temple. My guess is - you will find numerous homosexual cases within the fortress of Madrassa compound. 

Religion-peddlers know the truth about religion; it's the blind-believer, who needs to know.

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Mr. Mohiuddin Anwar

You have said : " In India some Hindu Purohits involv in sexual crime in temple that does mean Hindu religion ios rersponsible for such crime. Similarly in Christian World some Proests are involved in 
unethical wrongdoing and sexual crime ......"

You don't have to go to India or Christian World to find crime behind religious lebash...
We are not immune to such episodes .... Just see what is happening in our own backyard in
Bangladesh:.....:[these are just a small tip of the iceberg] :

কিছুতেই ভেবে পাই না, মোল্লা-পুরুত-পাদ্রিদের কামপ্রবৃত্তি এতো অসুস্থ ও প্রবল কেন?
কেন অধিকাংশ ক্ষেত্রেই তাদের কামতাড়নার শিকার হয় মূলত শিশুরা? ক্যাথলিক ধর্মযাজক আর শিশুকামী - 
এই দুই ধারণা এখন তো প্রায় সমার্থক হয়ে পড়েছে। তাই বলে মোল্লারা পিছিয়ে আছে? একদমই নয়। 
বাংলাদেশের কথাই ধরা যাক: দেশে মোল্লাদের যৌননিপীড়নের শিকার হয়েছে এবং হচ্ছে অজস্র শিশু, 
এটা কি নতুন কোনও কথা?
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ছিঃ

মেয়েটির বয়স মাত্র ১০ বছর। আর সব শিশুর সঙ্গে প্রতিদিনকার মতো বৃহস্পতিবার দুপুর ৩টার দিকে সে মসজিদে হুজুরের কাছে কোরআন শরিফ পড়তে যায়। কিন্তু এ দিন পড়াশেষে অন্য শিশুদের বিদায় দিলেও তাকে বসতে বলে হুজুর। সবাই চলে গেলে হুজুর গামছা দিয়ে মেয়েটির মুখ বাঁধে, দড়ি দিয়ে বাঁধে হাত। এরপর হুজুর তাকে ধর্ষণ করে। মেয়েটিকে রক্তাক্ত অবস্থায়ই কোরআন ছুঁয়ে হুজুর শপথ করায় যাতে এ ঘটনা আর কাউকে না জানায়। পরে মেয়েটি কোনোরকমে বাসায় ফিরেই জ্ঞান হারিয়ে ফেলে। ওইদিন সন্ধ্যায়ই মেয়েটিকে ভর্তি করা হয় স্থানীয় চৌধুরী ক্লিনিকে। সেখানে অবস্থার অবনতি হলে গতকাল শুক্রবার সকালে তাকে মাদারীপুর সদর হাসপাতালে ভর্তি করা হয়। এসব কথা এ প্রতিবেদককে জানিয়েছেন মেয়েটির মা। 
এ ধর্ষণের ঘটনা ঘটে মাদারীপুর সদর উপজেলার ঝাউদি ইউনিয়নের হোগলপাতিলা গ্রামের মসজিদে। অভিযুক্ত ধর্ষণকারী ওই হুজুরের নাম আব্বাস আলী (৪৫)। তাঁর বাড়ি বরিশালের বাগেরহাট গ্রামে। ঘটনার পর থেকেই সে পলাতক। 
গতকাল মাদারীপুর সদর হাসপাতালে গিয়ে দেখা যায়, হাসপাতালের বেডে শুয়ে আছে মেয়েটি। পাশে বসে আছে তার মা। মেয়েটির মাথায় হাত বুলাচ্ছেন আর একটু পর পর আঁচল দিয়ে নিজের চোখ মুছছেন তিনি। বেডের পাশে লোকজনের উপস্থিতি টের পেয়ে চোখ খোলে মেয়েটি। ঘটনা জানতে চাইলে নির্বাক কিছুক্ষণ তাকিয়ে থাকে সে। এরপর মায়ের আশ্বাস পেয়ে বলতে লাগল, 'সেদিন কোরআন শরিফ পড়তে মসজিদে গেছিলাম। হুজুর সবাইকে বিদায় দিয়ে আমাকে বসতে বলল। সবাই চলে যাওয়ার পর মসজিদের মধ্যেই হুজুর আমার মুখ ও হাত বাঁধে...।' এরপর মেয়েটির মা পুরো ঘটনাটি জানান। তিনি এ ঘটনার দৃষ্টান্তমূলক বিচার দাবি করেন।
এ বিষয়ে চৌধুরী ক্লিনিকের ডাক্তার দিলরুবা জানান, মেয়েটিকে যখন ক্লিনিকে আনা হয়, তখন প্রচুর রক্তক্ষরণ হচ্ছিল। পরে তার শরীরে দুই ব্যাগ রক্ত দেওয়া হয়। সেলাইও করতে হয়েছে। 
সদর হাসপাতালের মেডিক্যাল অফিসার আলতাফ হোসেন ধর্ষণের ঘটনার সত্যতা স্বীকার করে জানান, মেয়েটির অবস্থা এখন একটু ভালো। তবে প্রচুর রক্তক্ষরণে তার শরীর অনেক দুর্বল হয়ে গেছে। 
এ ব্যাপারে সদর থানার ভারপ্রাপ্ত কর্মকর্তা মো. কায়ুম আলী সরদার জানান, এ বিষয়ে এখনো লিখিত অভিযোগ পাইনি। মেয়েটির বাবা মামলা দায়ের করবে বলে শুনেছি। অভিযোগ পেলে আইনগত ব্যবস্থা নেওয়া হবে।




১০ বছরের শিশুকে ধর্ষণ করেছে ৭০ বয়সী মাদ্রাসা শিক্ষক

লালমনিরহাটে মাদ্রাসা শিক্ষক কর্তৃক শিক্ষার্থী ধর্ষণ : মামলা দায়ের, ধর্ষক আটক

হাতীবান্ধা (লালমনিরহাট) প্রতিনিধি, মোঃ শাহার্রুপ আলম সুমন : 
সোমবার সকালে লালমনিরহাটের হাতীবান্ধা উপজেলার সিন্দুর্ণা এলাকায় মক্তব 
শিক্ষক আইয়ুব আলী মোক্তার (৭৫) তার শিক্ষার্থীকে ধর্ষণের সময় জনতার হাতে ধৃত হয়। 
পরে জনতা ধর্ষক ঐ শিক্ষককে পুলিশে সোপর্দ করেছে। 
এব্যাপারে থানায় একটি মামলা হয়েছে।





On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
I completely agree with Dr. Khan's comment. Highly educated doesn't mean really educated. Some highly educated Muslims hate some
Islamic practices and support open society like the western World. Although they claim themselves Muslim but they oppose some fundamental belief of Islam.When any particular  woman in Burqa involves in Pickpocketing she is responsible for this crime not her religious belief or practice. In India some Hindu Purohits involv in sexual crime in temple that does mean Hindu religion ios rersponsible for such crime. Similarly in Christian World some Proests are involved in unethical wrongdoing and sexual crime that doersn't mean religion Christianism is responsible fot those Prorests crime. We should not blame  any religion or religious belief for such crime rather blame the wrongdoers.

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Mrs Farida Majid,
You seems very highly educated female. But I could not understand how could you blame Hijab for this crime. It is really sad to see how a highly educated person like you can be biased about some thing you hate from your heart.
Mohammad Khan, M.D., F.A.B.I.P.M., F.R.C.S.

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           Hijab can be a harbinger of crimes!
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