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Wednesday, January 28, 2015

RE: [mukto-mona] Saraswati Puja at Bangladesh Parliament



With due respect to all religions,  the parliament is the temple of democracy.  The majority must be granted.  If have any doubt, then put to the litmus test of current or any issue.  do a survey, online, on TV or any kind. The democratic decision will come out.
 
The secularism, the spirituality, the religiosity , the mysticism the liberalism all are high sounding catch words indeed and all those exist in human society for long time.. But real life comes first, the day to day life practices comes first, the norms of lives in any society comes first. The ever evolving social changes comes on its own pace. A political decision in the parliament, a constitutional amendment does not change those norms over night.  
 

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 03:23:10 +0000
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Saraswati Puja at Bangladesh Parliament

 
Secularism means equal treatment for all religions, which can be achieved - 1) by showing indifference to all religions, or 2) giving equal treatment to all religions. Bangladesh won't be able to meet condition 1 ever; so, the best we can expect is equal treatment of all religions.
Jiten Roy


From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Saraswati Puja at Bangladesh Parliament

 
True, secularism is to discourage all religions; and I never suggested that by allowing Saraswati Puja at the parliament premises Bangladesh was promoting secularism. What I suggested was that by allowing that event there, Bangladesh would be showing respect for the Hindu citizens of that country, much like what it has been doing to an extent for the Christians and overwhelmingly for the Muslims. Of course, one can paraphrase Shah Deelder's words like "why do the Hindus need respect?"
 
In any case, Bangladesh is not secular. The way madrassas and mosques have been growing there, the country is going in the backward direction from secularism. One way to make some improvements wound be to encourage the Muslims to think that the non-Muslims are also part of Bangladesh.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:56 AM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Secularism is not to encourage all religions. It is to discourage them all.

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On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:08 AM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
This was an odd idea to begin with and as expected it failed to materialize for very obvious reasons. Look, anything that promotes Hindu,Budhist or Christian traditions would be unpalatable for many Bangladeshis.This is not new. I am not sure why Hindu members even bother to propose such event at the parliament? How that makes Bangladesh more secular and tolerant? Do these people live in the bubble?
-SD


On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 8:04 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 

{Postscript from the Author (January 27, 2015): It is a great disappointment that in spite of the initial consent by the Prime Minister and approval by the Speaker, there was actually no Saraswati Puja at the Bangladesh Parliament. I am not sure why the big leaders' approvals were not implemented. But there is no doubt that this reneging pleases and supports the Islamic/Muslim hate-mongers of Bangladesh.}









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Re: [mukto-mona] Saraswati Puja at Bangladesh Parliament



Secularism means equal treatment for all religions, which can be achieved - 1) by showing indifference to all religions, or 2) giving equal treatment to all religions. Bangladesh won't be able to meet condition 1 ever; so, the best we can expect is equal treatment of all religions.
Jiten Roy


From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Saraswati Puja at Bangladesh Parliament

 
True, secularism is to discourage all religions; and I never suggested that by allowing Saraswati Puja at the parliament premises Bangladesh was promoting secularism. What I suggested was that by allowing that event there, Bangladesh would be showing respect for the Hindu citizens of that country, much like what it has been doing to an extent for the Christians and overwhelmingly for the Muslims. Of course, one can paraphrase Shah Deelder's words like "why do the Hindus need respect?"
 
In any case, Bangladesh is not secular. The way madrassas and mosques have been growing there, the country is going in the backward direction from secularism. One way to make some improvements wound be to encourage the Muslims to think that the non-Muslims are also part of Bangladesh.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:56 AM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Secularism is not to encourage all religions. It is to discourage them all.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:08 AM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
This was an odd idea to begin with and as expected it failed to materialize for very obvious reasons. Look, anything that promotes Hindu,Budhist or Christian traditions would be unpalatable for many Bangladeshis.This is not new. I am not sure why Hindu members even bother to propose such event at the parliament? How that makes Bangladesh more secular and tolerant? Do these people live in the bubble?
-SD


On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 8:04 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 

{Postscript from the Author (January 27, 2015): It is a great disappointment that in spite of the initial consent by the Prime Minister and approval by the Speaker, there was actually no Saraswati Puja at the Bangladesh Parliament. I am not sure why the big leaders' approvals were not implemented. But there is no doubt that this reneging pleases and supports the Islamic/Muslim hate-mongers of Bangladesh.}








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[mukto-mona] DDD 228. শিষ্টাচারের নসিহত : বাচ্চালোগ তালিয়া বাজাও [1 Attachment]

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DDD 228. শিষ্টাচারের নসিহত : বাচ্চালোগ তালিয়া বাজাও
Dhaka Daily Dish, 228th Issue, 28th Jan '15
 
Dear All
Late Arafat Rahman was absolutely a non-political person.  But for
being from a political family– his death has also become a pawn in
power play of Bangladesh.  This issue, instead of bringing the two  
"Begums" nearer, as expected by some wishful thinkers, may take
them far apart on political platform.  That is what Mr Farhad Mazhar,
a prominent n respectable socio-political think tanker of Bangladesh,
apprehended in his feature placed in today's DDD.  As space was
there, his imm recent past feature is also added here, which was
printed in Naya Diganta also.  Both are thought generating. Thanks.
Haque, Lowell, MA, USA.
 
শিষ্টাচারের নসিহত : বাচ্চালোগ তালিয়া বাজাও
ফরহাদ মজহার, ২৭ জানুয়ারি ২০১৫, Naya Diganta, Post Editorial                        
আরাফাত রহমান কোকোর অকালমৃত্যুর পর এখন দেখছি এই শহুরে শিক্ষ তি এলিটরা
হঠাৎ দুই ব্যাটলিং বেগমকে মা জননী ডাকতে শুরু করেছে। এই এক বিচিত্র নাটক।
এক সন্তানের জননী নাকি শোকে কাতর আরেক মা জননীকে দেখতে ছুটে গিয়েছিলেন ,
কিন্তু সন্তানহারা শোকার্ত জননী গেটের দরজা খোলেননি , ফলে এলিটদের মহা অভিমান
হয়েছে। ক্ষ মতাবান মা কত মহানুভব সেই কাঁদুনি শুনতে শুনতে ইতোমধ্যে কান ঝালা
পালা হয়ে যাবার জোগাড়। আর মন্দ মা হলেন তিনি যিনি সবে সন্তান হারিয়েছেন।
শুধু তাঁর নিজের সন্তান নয় , হারিয়েছেন আরো সন্তান। হামলা মামলা তো আছেই , যৌথ
অভিযানে তার জোটের নেতাকর্মীদের গুম করা হচ্ছে , যাদের অনেকের লাশই খুঁজে পাওয়া
যাচ্ছে না। গুলি তো চলছেই , তার পরও যাদের দেখা মাত্রই গুলি করবে বলে ইতোমধ্যে
বিজিবি প্রধান ঘোষণা করেছেন। সমাজকল্যাণমন্ত্রী ঘোষণা দিচ্ছেন , সংসদ সদস্যরা
চিৎকার করে সরকার কঠোর হবার দাবি করছেন। আঙুল নাচিয়ে বলা হচ্ছে তাকে টেনে -
হিঁচড়ে ঘর থেকে বের করে গ্রেফতার করা হবে। তার পরও ডায়লগ চাই। ডায়লগ । …..
 
সরকারের পতন আসন্নফরহাদ মজহারের মত 
17 Jan, 2015,  BDNews24.com, NY, USA.
আওয়ামী লীগ সরকারের পতন 'আসন্ন' বলে মত প্রকাশ করেছেন বিশিষ্ট রাজনৈতিক
বিশ্লেষক ফরহাদ মজহার। তিনি লিখেছেনসাধারণ মানুষযারা সরকারের পক্ষে নন
কিন্তু সরাসরি আন্দোলন সংগ্রামেও নাইতারা কিছুটা বিভ্রান্ত বটে। সরকার ক্রমে সব
নিয়ন্ত্রণে নিয়ে আসছে এই প্রপাগান্ডায় অনেকের মনে একটি দ্বিধান্বিত প্রশ্ন আছে যেএই
সরকারের পতন ঘটবে কি ?  উত্তর : অবশ্যই। সেটা আসন্নই বলা যায়।'  ……..




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Re: [mukto-mona] Saraswati Puja at Bangladesh Parliament



True, secularism is to discourage all religions; and I never suggested that by allowing Saraswati Puja at the parliament premises Bangladesh was promoting secularism. What I suggested was that by allowing that event there, Bangladesh would be showing respect for the Hindu citizens of that country, much like what it has been doing to an extent for the Christians and overwhelmingly for the Muslims. Of course, one can paraphrase Shah Deelder's words like "why do the Hindus need respect?"
 
In any case, Bangladesh is not secular. The way madrassas and mosques have been growing there, the country is going in the backward direction from secularism. One way to make some improvements wound be to encourage the Muslims to think that the non-Muslims are also part of Bangladesh.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:56 AM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Secularism is not to encourage all religions. It is to discourage them all.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:08 AM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
This was an odd idea to begin with and as expected it failed to materialize for very obvious reasons. Look, anything that promotes Hindu,Budhist or Christian traditions would be unpalatable for many Bangladeshis.This is not new. I am not sure why Hindu members even bother to propose such event at the parliament? How that makes Bangladesh more secular and tolerant? Do these people live in the bubble?
-SD


On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 8:04 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 

{Postscript from the Author (January 27, 2015): It is a great disappointment that in spite of the initial consent by the Prime Minister and approval by the Speaker, there was actually no Saraswati Puja at the Bangladesh Parliament. I am not sure why the big leaders' approvals were not implemented. But there is no doubt that this reneging pleases and supports the Islamic/Muslim hate-mongers of Bangladesh.}






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Mukto Mona plans for a Grand Darwin Day Celebration: 
Call For Articles:

http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=68

http://mukto-mona.com/banga_blog/?p=585

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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
               -Beatrice Hall [pseudonym: S.G. Tallentyre], 190





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