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Sunday, August 4, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্য



That Modi might have been passive when the riot started is a parallel thinking with Prof. Amartya Sen.  If that allegation is proven, it would definitely add a negative point to his aspiration to become Prime Minister of India.  His inexperience at that time might have contributed to lack of quick decision.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

It is highly probable that Modi may have been passive in response to the riot. If passivity on the part of Modi is unpardonable crime, then Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina committed similar unpardonable crimes. They had been passive during all communal violence in Bangladesh during their tenures. In fact, Awami League government recently ordered stand down instructions to the local law and order administration during the communal violence on Buddhist community at Hazarihat, Chittagong. When religious minorities were begging for protection, Police officer-in-charge said his hands are tied. No one is asking for heads in these cases?

Are you sure you are all making fair judgment here.

Jiten Roy
 


From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য [1 Attachment]

 
"How do we justify Modi's instruction to the police officer" - that looks like a fiction.  Debate has continued since the riot on the role of Modi in it and nobody has proven his involvement.  For details please read the attachment.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
How do we justify Modi's instruction to the police officer: Let the people vent their anger (ref. a recent post in mukto-mona). How do we justify Vajpayee's annoyance with Modi: how long have I to watch the bloodshed? Forget about active imvolvement. Even all such passivity on the part of a seating CM is unpardonable crime. 

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On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 
Involvement of Modi in Gujrat riots has never been proved.  One may look into the myth of Gujrat Riots in http://www.gujaratriots.com/.  In a land where H. S. Suhrawardy is adored as a prince of democracy(Ganatantrer Barputra), Modi should be treated as an angel, albeit of a Hindu variety.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
While I do not have a problem with Amartya Sen's comments regarding Chandam Mitra's demand for him to return the Bharat Ratna because he did not want Narendra Modi to be the Prime Minister of India, I probably would have handled the issue differently. If I were in Sen's shoes, I probably would have said something like, "my honorability has nothing to do with what Modi or BJP was, and I am ignoring Mitra's demand."

As for India's leaders influencing what goes on in Bangladesh, Modi could not be effective in secularizing Bangladesh; because he does not have a secular credential. However, talking theoretically, if India had no-nonsense secular people running the country, Bangladesh would have felt a lot more pressure to get its acts together; Bangladeshi Hindus would not have been going to India because of being victims of Muslim hatred and atrocities at their homeland of centuries.

SuBain


From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
"Did Modi call that a "National Shame", Dr. Roy?"

My comment was not against Sen's remark about Modi, Dr. Bain. I said that - he has the right to do so.
My comment was, rather, on the subject of returning the Bharat Ratna medal and the tile to Vajpayee. This award has nothing to do with Modi.

Indian people know better who should be their Prime Minister. I am not in tune with their situations.
Whether Modi or someone else becomes the PM, things will not change much for Bangladesh. In fact, 2001 carnage on Hindus in Bangladesh happened during the BJP rule in India; India did not come forward to save the religious minorities in Bangladesh. So, what could be different if they come to power again? That's why - I don't care who becomes the PM.

As for our relatives in India, I am sure - nothing will change for them during another BJP tenure. They have been there before.

Thanks.

Jiten Roy



From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
Looks like Dr. Roy has missed the justification that I have provided in the last post below as to why "I also think that it was OK for Professor Sen to say that he would return it if Atal Bihari Vajpayee asked it back." Clearly, Dr. Roy has failed to think what he was talking about below about Narendra Modi. Professor Sen was not allergic to the award from Prime Minister Vajpayee, who was respectable enough to term the Gujarat Riots a "National Shame." Did Modi call that a "National Shame", Dr. Roy? Did Modi as the Chief Minister of Gujarat take the responsibility of the failure of his administration to stop the riots? Never mind who started it and how many were killed from what religious community, it was Modi's job to provide safety and security for all citizens of Gujarat.

As for the sorry state of affairs in Bangladesh, I agree with Dr. Roy.

As for India, while I am not a voter there, I do care about what kind of people leads that country. In spite of Dr. Roy's statement below, I have no doubt that he also cares about what kind of people leads India. Both he and I have too many friends and relatives in India, both of us know that the leaders of India can influence what happens in Bangladesh, our beloved motherland. Obviously, we probably have some differences in philosophies, and what the two of us want India to be might be somewhat different.

Sukhamaya Bain 

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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
"I also think that it was OK for Professor Sen to say that he would return it if Atal Bihari Vajpayee asked it back."

May I know what the justification behind this comment is?
Let me ask you also - why didn't he decline to receive the medal and the title from Atal Bihari Vajpei if he was so allergic to this award?

As I said before, not supporting Modi is his legitimate right. But, being an academician and a Nobel Laureate, he should know better. The riot in Gujrat was the result of a statewide spontaneous mob outbreak from both sides, which resulted 31,000 arrests throughout the state, 80% were Hindus. Total 140 killed in Police firing, 80 of them were Hindus. In the first 3 days 100 were killed, 70 were Hindus. Let's remember, Indian communal riots are never one-sided. Prime Minister termed this disaster as a "National Shame." One BJP State Minister of Modi government has been hanged recently. Do you still think Modi and Indian government did not do enough? I believe - Modi is a victim of propaganda. Modi is banned from entry to USA as a result of propaganda campaign. Some people even compared him as Golam Azam of India. So on and so forth …

Educated people should not get carried away by prop






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Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য



QR remains an incurable idiot.  He should not be referred to or discussed at all.


2013/8/5 Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
 

He likes Sen, not because of his scientific works; he likes him because of his stand against Modi. This is what I am talking about.

Sen is a socialist, which Modi is not. Modi's economic model worked so well in Gujrat that he wants to emulate throughout India; hence his popularity. A few days back, I circulated a post in which Muslim Women from UP, not Gujrat, is praying for Modi's success. Indian youths are organizing behind him. Can we just ignore all these news?

Jiten Roy



From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 


The proof lies in the pudding! Gujrat followed Jagadish Bhagwati fast track gowth model while West Bengal got stuck with Amatya Sen' equity model economy. Why should be so difficult to understand Prof. Sen's work? Why that man should be beyond critic? What light has Mr. QR seen with Prof. Sen except his endorsement for Indian Congress?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Gujarat

 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
Rest assured that I don't have to learn to understand Prof. Sen's work from a moron of your standard.


2013/8/4 QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
 
Not sure you have the right education to even understand works of Dr. Sen. Come to think of it, ignorance never stopped you from delivering "Fatwa" and cursing everybody.

What religion teaches this sick attitude?

Not interested to turn a person into a bitter individual.

Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:03 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
"Like many great economists Sen is also a versatile scholar." - Scholar, according to the Oxford Dictionary is primarily defined as a student who as been awarded money to help pay for his/her education, and secondarily defined as a person who has deep knowledge of an academic subject.  The first definition is irrelevant here.  The second definition applies to Prof. Sen only superficially.  His thesis that democratization is the precursor of economic development ignores the history of economic development of most countries on earth (I do not know about the fantasy land where Prof. Sen belongs)  proving his shallowness even in his own subject though he earned a Nobel on it.  I have not been impressed by his other observations as well.


2013/8/1 Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
 
1. Like many great economists Sen is also a versatile scholar. All the books he has authored testify to this fact. I think he teaches philosophy also in Harvard. His field is more like political economy. He goes far beyond the classical economic theories to explain famine and poverty. This is not possible with a narrow world view. 

2. His comment regarding Bharat Ratna to me seems to be a sarcastic one. I read his mind like this: you little MP want to strip me of my title! Let me see what your big boss has to say on this. He knows that Chandan Mitra with his narrow political view is pretty insignificant compared to Vajpayee. I remember Vajpayee having asked Modi, "How much more bloodshed do I have to see in Gujarat?"

3. Like many (belonging to all religious communities) I also got involved in raising fund for the Hindu victims and condemning the attacks on Hindus by BNP. I do not remember how Sen sabotaged all these efforts. Even if he did it unconsciously, that alleged act is indefensible. Some one may kindly provide me with relevant references. Rabindranath made a scandalous mistake by praising Mussolini. 

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On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Getting a Nobel Prize in a subject does not make someone expert in everything else.
 
Prof. Sen expressed his opinion about his political view on Modi, which is fine.  But, his reaction to the remark to one of the BJP leaders was unpatriotic. The Bharat Ratna title is not a personal gift from the then Prime Minister Vajpei - that Prof. Sen can return to him; it was given to him on behalf of the people of India to show their appreciation and respect for him on his achievement. By expressing his desire to return the medal and the title if Vajpei ask him to do so, he disrespected the desire of the people of India. This shows his level arrogance and self-righteousness. The fact that he misjudged this honor - is a proof that even a Nobel Laureate can make stupid mistakes.
 
I will never forget his comment on the atrocities on Hindus in Bangladesh after the 2001 general election, when BNP came to power by defeating Awami League government. We were running around the world to raise awareness about the atrocities to the international communities, and asking them to intervene and save religious minorities from the BNP/Jamat onslaughts. At that time, Sen visited Bangladesh on the invitation of the BNP government.
 
End of his visit, he said in a press conference that - religious harmony exists in Bangladesh. He just recited the same line that Khaleda Zia was propagating to the outside world, when villages after villages were being burned down in the southern belt of Bangladesh. In Charfashion, entire Hindu village was burned down and 200 women were raped in one night; even pregnant women were not spared; mothers and daughters were raped simultaneously. Can this image be forgotten? If we could know these facts from abroad, how come this Nobel Laureate could not find them out during his visit in Bangladesh? That's the question I ask. After his statement of support, Khaleda Zia's propaganda found legitimacy in the international community; we had hard time to establish our credibility on the issue. Wherever we went, everybody was pointing to the comment of the Nobel Laureate Professor Amartya Sen, who is after all a religious minority from Bangladesh. Therefore, I know this loose cannon professor very well. 


Jiten Roy



From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
Sen has the liberty not to vote for somebody.  However, he does not have the right to express his wish about who should be posted where.  Apparently, he has little or no respect to the democratic right of Indians to select their premier.


2013/7/30 subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
 
It is interesting and surprising too to notice that Shiva Sena considers over-zealous BJP parliamentarian Chandan Mitra's proposal to snatch away Sen's Bharatratna title as improper.
 
A careful study of the report on Sen's comment on Modi reveals that Sen's "No" to Modi is conditional----Modi has to be more secular and he has to do more so that the religious minorities feel more safe under his present and future rule. This soft attitude is kind of a narrow canal through which the crocodile may enter the locality. Most of the voters are guided by short term memory. It will not be hard for Modi to prove himself to be more secular and a greater lover of the religious minorities. He will have no difficulty in having some influential Muslim leaders on his side. This is all politics. Modi is shrewd enough to how to play political game in Gujarat and nationally. 
 
We must not forget that Indians once voted BJP to power for a full term. Looks like this time the Indian capitalists are in favor of having Modi as the new PM. There is a great challenge ahead for the secular forces of India. 
 
Water sharing depends mostly on Mamata Banerjee.        

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য
 
মোদি প্রসঙ্গে সাম্প্রতিক মন্তব্যের প্রতিক্রিয়ায় বিজেপির সাংসদ চন্দন মিত্র বলেছেন, অমর্ত্য সেনের 'ভারতরত্ন' পদক কেড়ে নেওয়া উচিত।
এর জবাবে অমর্ত্য সেন বলেছেন, সাবেক প্রধানমন্ত্রী অটল বিহারি যদি চান, তবে তিনি ওই পদক ফেরত দেবেন।
অমর্ত্য সেনকে রাজনীতিতে নাক না গলানোর আহ্বান জানিয়েছে ভারতের হিন্দু জাতীয়তাবাদী দল শিব সেনা।
>>>>>>>> Shib Sena thinks Dr. Sen lives in their daddy's country. Dr. Sen expressed his views based on rise of fanaticism and Modi with BJP. He is not the only one who sees this. Besides India is facing economic crisis and severe social crisis. There are no indications for these elements to go away anytime soon. If a character like Modi leads future India, it will go for worse by dividing the country even more. In international relations, it is also facing lack of credibility in friendly country like Bangladesh. Even the hard core pro-Indian Bangladeshi do not expect India to live up to it's obligation to it's neighbors. Bangladeshis were hoping against hope for our critical issues to be resolved (River water sharing, border killing, enclave exchange, removal of trade barrier etc). Except partial progress in trade barriers, no other critical issues were resolved with such a India friendly administration. It seems India is tied up in it's own bureaucratic mess. Hope India will be able to sort these out with Bangladesh soon. Shalom!

-----Original Message-----From: SyedAslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:14 amSubject: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য
 

মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

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অমরতয সনগুজরাটের মুখ্যমন্ত্রী ও ভারতীয় জনতা পার্টির (বিজেপি) নির্বাচনবিষয়ক প্রধান নরেন্দ্র মোদিকে নিয়ে মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না বলে সাফ জানিয়ে দিয়েছেন নোবেলজয়ী ভারতীয় অর্থনীতিবিদ অমর্ত্য সেন। 'দ্য টাইমস অব ইন্ডিয়া'কে দেওয়া এক বিশেষ সাক্ষাত্কারে অমর্ত্য সেন এ কথা বলেছেন।অমর্ত্য সেন বলেন, 'মোদিকে নিয়ে মন্তব্যের জন্য আমি ক্ষমা চাইব না।'কয়েকদিন আগে একটি টেলিভিশন চ্যানেলকে দেওয়া সাক্ষাত্কারে অমর্ত্য সেন বলেন, 'গুজরাটের মুখ্যমন্ত্রী ও ভারতীয় জনতা পার্টির (বিজেপি) নির্বাচনবিষয়ক প্রধান নরেন্দ্র মোদিকে আমি দেশের প্রধানমন্ত্রী পদে দেখতে চাই না।'সিএনএন-আইবিএন চ্যানেলকে দেওয়া এক বিশেষ সাক্ষাত্কারে অমর্ত্য সেন বলেন, 'একজন ভারতীয় নাগরিক হিসেবে আমি মোদিকে আমার প্রধানমন্ত্রী হিসেবে চাই না।তিনি দেশের সংখ্যালঘুদের নিরাপদ ভাবার মতো যথেষ্ট কিছু করেননি।'মোদিকে কেন প্রধানমন্ত্রী পদে দেখতে চান না—এমন এক প্রশ্নের জবাবে অমর্ত্য সেন বলেন, সবার আগে তাঁকে আরও বেশি ধর্মনিরপেক্ষ হতে হবে। সংখ্যালঘু সম্প্রদায় যাতে নিজেদের আরও নিরাপদ ভাবতে পারে, তাঁকে সে রকম কিছু করতে হবে।মোদিকে নিয়ে দেওয়া বক্তব্যের যৌক্তিকতা ব্যাখ্যা করতে গিয়ে অমর্ত্য সেন বলেন, এ বিষয়ে কথা বলাটা তাঁর মৌলিক অধিকার। সংখ্যাগরিষ্ঠ সম্প্রদায়ের সদস্য হিসেবে সংখ্যালঘুদের ভীতির বিষয়ে কথা বলা তাঁর দায়িত্বও বটে।
মোদি প্রসঙ্গে সাম্প্রতিক মন্তব্যের প্রতিক্রিয়ায় বিজেপির সাংসদ চন্দন মিত্র বলেছেন, অমর্ত্য সেনের 'ভারতরত্ন' পদক কেড়ে নেওয়া উচিত।
এর জবাবে অমর্ত্য সেন বলেছেন, সাবেক প্রধানমন্ত্রী অটল বিহারি যদি চান, তবে তিনি ওই পদক ফেরত দেবেন।
অমর্ত্য সেনকে রাজনীতিতে নাক না গলানোর আহ্বান জানিয়েছে ভারতের হিন্দু জাতীয়তাবাদী দল শিব সেনা।একই সঙ্গে মোদির বিষয়ে মন্তব্যের জের ধরে তাঁর 'ভারতরত্ন' পদক কেড়ে নেওয়ার দাবি তোলা সঠিক হয়নি বলে মন্তব্য করেছে দলটি।
গুজরাটের ২০০২ সালের হিন্দু-মুসলিম দাঙ্গার জন্য বিতর্কিত মোদিকে সম্প্রতি বিজেপির নির্বাচনবিষয়ক প্রধানের দায়িত্ব দেওয়া হয়।গুরুত্বপূর্ণ এ দায়িত্ব পাওয়ায় বিজেপি ভারতের আগামী সাধারণ নির্বাচনে জয়ী হলে মোদিই প্রধানমন্ত্রী হবেন বলে ধারণা করা হচ্ছে।মোদিকে ওই পদের দায়িত্ব দেওয়া নিয়ে দলের ভেতরে-বাইরে ব্যাপক আলোচনা-সমালোচনা হয়েছে

পাঠকের মন্তব্য

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    সাবাস এই না হলে বাংগালী। ভারতে তো সেলিব্রেটীর অভাব নেই, কিন্তু ধর্ম ব্যাবসায়ী, দাংগাবাজ মানবতার শত্রু নরেন্দ্র মোদী শম্পর্কে একমাত্র তিনিই সাহসী কন্ঠে সোচ্চার হয়ে তাকে প্রত্যাখ্যান করেছেন।আমি মনে করি এটা বাংগালী জাতির জন্য গর্বের।
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    অমত্য মহান !
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    বাঙালী অমর্ত্য সেন । বাংলাদেশেই যার শিকড় প্রোথিত । তিনি অাজ প্রমান করলেন , বাঙালীর পরম গর্বের ধন প্রথম নবেল লরিয়েট রবীন্দ্রনাথের স্বার্থক উত্তরসূরী ।মনে পড়ে তার জালিয়ান ওয়ালা বাগের হত্যাকান্ডের প্রতিবাদে নাইট উপাধি বর্জনের ঘোষনা । অমত্যের্র মননে সেই অমর গানের ধ্বনি শুনি , "দুর্বলেরে রক্ষা করো,দুর্জনেরে হানো ,নিজেরে দীন নিসহায় যেন কভু না জানো " । তাকে অামাদের অভিনন্দন ।
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    প্রশ্নই ওঠেনা এই তৃত্বীয় শ্রেণীর রাজনীতিক মোদীর জন্য নেভেল জয়ী ডঃসেনের ক্ষমা চাওয়ার। তাঁর এই দৃঢ় উচ্চারণের জন্য বাঙালি হিসেবে আমরা কৃতজ্ঞ।
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    brave heart
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    আমাদের বাংলাদেশেও কিছু তার মত ধর্মনিরপেক্ষ লোক দরকার.মানবতা। যে পরম ধরম এটা আমৄত্যসেন বুজালেন। বড় যত মানুষ তত বড় মন.
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    একেই বলে নোবেল বিজয়ী। যে শুধু তার কর্মে নয়, মর্মেও উদার, ধর্মনিরপেক্ষ এবং সুশীল।আমাদের নোবেল যদি যুদ্ধাপরাধী আর মৌলবাদী দের বিরুদ্ধে এমন ভুমিকা রাখতেন তবে আমরাও সত্যিকারের আদর্শ পেতাম।
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    অনেক ভালো লাগলো, সাহসী মন্তব্যের সাহসী স্ট্যান্ড!
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    রাজনীতিবিদদের কাছে ক্ষমা চাওয়ার কিছু নাই। ডঃ ইউনুসকে নিয়ে যা করা হয়েছে, অমর্ত্য সেনকে নিয়ে অবশ্য তা করা সম্ভব নয়। বাংলাদেশের আওয়ামী লীগাররা যেমন হাসিনার কন্ঠে কথা বলে, ভারতে সবাই হয়তো মোদীর কন্ঠে কথা বলবে না।
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    একেই বলে নোবেল বিজয়ী। আমাদেরও ত একজন নোবেল বিজয়ী আছেন। কেউ কি তার মুখে মানবতাবিরোধী এবং এদের লালনকর্তাদের বিরুদ্ধে কোন কথা বলতে শুনেছে? তার ত ধরি মাছ না ছুঁই পানির মত অবস্থা। তিনি দেশকে নিয়ে ষড়যন্ত্রে মেতে আছেন। তিনি জাতির দুশমনে পরিনত হচ্ছেন। অমর্ত্য সেনের মত যদি একজন দেশপ্রেমিক ও নিরপেক্ষ ব্যক্তি থাকতেন বাংলাদেশে, তাহলে মৌলবাদী এবং এদের লালনকর্তা বিএনপি পালানোর পথ খুঁজে পেত না।
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    সবাশ ! আপনাকে বাংলাদেশের জনগনের পক্ষ থেকে আন্তরিক অভিনন্দন ! আপনি ও ড. ইনুস আমাদের গর্ব।
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    Amartya Sen is more a humanist than a politician and so took a stand based on his values. Dr Yunus behaves more like a politician because unlike Amartya Sen, he has different agenda.
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    BNP, Jamayat, Hefajat in Bangladesh is like BJP, Shib-Sena in India. Dr. Yunus, Please say something. Indians feel proud of Amarta Sen and we are proud of you.
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    নিজের বাঙ্গালী পরিচয়ে খুব গর্ব হচ্ছে। স্যালুট জানাই অমর্ত্য সেনকে। ড: ইউনুসের কাছ থেকেও এমন অবস্থান আশা করি। শেখ হাসিনা ড: ইউনুসের সাথে যা করেছে তা নিন্দনীয়। কিন্তু দেশের বিভিন্ন সংকটে গত পাঁচ বছর ড: ইউনুসকেও তেমনভাবে পাইনি। কক্সবাজারে সাম্প্রদায়িক সহিংসতা, মানবতাবিরোধী অপরাধ, শাহবাগ, হেফাজত- এরকম বিষয়গুলোতে ড: ইউনুসের কাছ থেকে গঠনমূলক দিকনির্দেশনা পাব আশা করেছিলাম। ড: সেন যদি অর্থনীতিতে নোবেল পেয়ে দেশের দুর্যোগে নিজের অবস্থান প্রকাশ করতে পারেন, তবে শান্তিতে নোবেল পাওয়া ড: ইউনুসের কাছ থেকে আমাদের প্রত্যাশা আরো অনেক বেশি।
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    It was honestly desired that Dr Yunus would break his silence during communal harassment on the minority occurred in last several times specially in 2001 and then later near past . But very unfortunate, unlike Dr. Sen he kept himself silent keeping busy in his own agenda. Sorry.
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    ''সংখ্যাগরিষ্ঠ সম্প্রদায়ের সদস্য হিসেবে সংখ্যালঘুদের ভীতির বিষয়ে কথা বলা তাঁর দায়িত্বও বটে '' - শিখুন বাংলাদেশের বুদধিজিবি পরিবার ।
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    বাঙালী অমর্ত্য সেন । আপনাকে অভিনন্দন !
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    নোবেলজয়ী ভারতীয় অর্থনীতিবিদ অমর্ত্য সেন সিএনএন-আইবিএন চ্যানেলকে দেওয়া এক বিশেষ সাক্ষাত্কারে বলেছেন , "একজন ভারতীয় নাগরিক হিসেবে আমি মোদিকে আমার প্রধানমন্ত্রী হিসেবে চাই না।তিনি দেশের সংখ্যালঘুদের নিরাপদ ভাবার মতো যথেষ্ট কিছু করেননি"। তাই আরও বলেছেন "সবার আগে তাঁকে আরও বেশি ধর্মনিরপেক্ষ হতে হবে। সংখ্যালঘু সম্প্রদায় যাতে নিজেদের আরও নিরাপদ ভাবতে পারে, তাঁকে সে রকম কিছু করতে হবে"। এবং বিজেপির সাংসদের দাবীর মুখে তিনি 'ভারতরত্ন' পদক ফেরত দিতেও রাজী হয়েছেন। তবুও ধর্মনিরপেক্ষ ও সংখ্যালঘু সম্প্রদাযইয়ের নিরাপদ এর বিষয়ে মাথা নত করতে রাজী হননি । একেই বলে "নোবেলজয়ী" । আর অতিসম্প্রতি রামুতে ৪০০ বছরের পুরানো মুক্তি ও মন্দির রাতের আঁধারে ভাঙচুর, লুটপাট ও অগ্নিসংযোগ করা হয় এবং তারপর দিন চট্টগ্রাম, কক্সবাজার সহ সারাদেশে আরও অনেক কয়টা মন্দিরে ভাঙচুর, লুটপাট ও অগ্নিসংযোগ করা হয় । সারা দেশের মানুষ প্রতিরোধে ফেটে পড়ল । কিন্তু তারপরও আমাদের "নোবেলজয়ী" একটা বার প্রতিবাদ করেননি । পরিদর্শনে যাননি । এমনকি আজ অবধি কোন বক্তব্য করেনি । এও "নোবেলজয়ী"। অতএব আমদের বুঝতে হবে কেন দেশের একটা বড় অংশ এই "নোবেলজয়ী" র সমালোচনা করে । আমি অত্যন্ত দুঃখিত এভাবে তুলানামুলুক বিশ্লেষণ দেওয়ার জন্য ।
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    " এক জন বাঙ্গালী হিসেবে আমরা তাকে নিয়ে গর্ব করতেই পারি "
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    ডঃ ইউনুছ স্যার কে এখানে না আনাই ভালো । গ্রামীন ব্যাংক নিয়ে ব্যাস্ত আছেন উনি ।














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Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য .....





2002 Gujarat Riots Full Documentary:


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  1. BBC News - Narendra Modi 'allowed' Gujarat 2002 anti-Muslim riots

    Apr 22, 2011 - Gujarat's chief minister deliberately allowed anti-Muslim riots in 2002, which left more than 1000 people dead, India's Supreme Court hears.
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On Sun, 8/4/13, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য
 Date: Sunday, August 4, 2013, 6:47 PM
 

How do we justify Modi's instruction to the police officer: 
Let the people vent their anger (ref. a recent post in mukto-mona). 
How do we justify Vajpayee's annoyance with Modi: how long have 
I to watch the bloodshed? Forget about active imvolvement.
 Even all such passivity on the part of a seating CM is unpardonable crime. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:


 

Involvement of Modi in Gujrat riots has never been proved.  One may look into the myth of Gujrat Riots inhttp://www.gujaratriots.com/.  In a land where H. S. Suhrawardy is adored as a prince of democracy(Ganatantrer Barputra), Modi should be treated as an angel, albeit of a Hindu variety.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

While I do not have a problem with Amartya Sen's comments regarding Chandam Mitra's demand for him to return the Bharat Ratna because he did not want Narendra Modi to be the Prime Minister of India, I probably would have handled the issue differently. If I were in Sen's shoes, I probably would have said something like, "my honorability has nothing to do with what Modi or BJP was, and I am ignoring Mitra's demand."

As for India's leaders influencing what goes on in Bangladesh, Modi could not be effective in secularizing Bangladesh; because he does not have a secular credential. However, talking theoretically, if India had no-nonsense secular people running the country, Bangladesh would have felt a lot more pressure to get its acts together; Bangladeshi Hindus would not have been going to India because of being victims of Muslim hatred and atrocities at their homeland of centuries.

SuBain


From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
"Did Modi call that a "National Shame", Dr. Roy?"

My comment was not against Sen's remark about Modi, Dr. Bain. I said that - he has the right to do so.
My comment was, rather, on the subject of returning the Bharat Ratna medal and the tile to Vajpayee. This award has nothing to do with Modi.

Indian people know better who should be their Prime Minister. I am not in tune with their situations.
Whether Modi or someone else becomes the PM, things will not change much for Bangladesh. In fact, 2001 carnage on Hindus in Bangladesh happened during the BJP rule in India; India did not come forward to save the religious minorities in Bangladesh. So, what could be different if they come to power again? That's why - I don't care who becomes the PM.

As for our relatives in India, I am sure - nothing will change for them during another BJP tenure. They have been there before.

Thanks.

Jiten Roy



From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
Looks like Dr. Roy has missed the justification that I have provided in the last post below as to why "I also think that it was OK for Professor Sen to say that he would return it if Atal Bihari Vajpayee asked it back." Clearly, Dr. Roy has failed to think what he was talking about below about Narendra Modi. Professor Sen was not allergic to the award from Prime Minister Vajpayee, who was respectable enough to term the Gujarat Riots a "National Shame." Did Modi call that a "National Shame", Dr. Roy? Did Modi as the Chief Minister of Gujarat take the responsibility of the failure of his administration to stop the riots? Never mind who started it and how many were killed from what religious community, it was Modi's job to provide safety and security for all citizens of Gujarat.

As for the sorry state of affairs in Bangladesh, I agree with Dr. Roy.

As for India, while I am not a voter there, I do care about what kind of people leads that country. In spite of Dr. Roy's statement below, I have no doubt that he also cares about what kind of people leads India. Both he and I have too many friends and relatives in India, both of us know that the leaders of India can influence what happens in Bangladesh, our beloved motherland. Obviously, we probably have some differences in philosophies, and what the two of us want India to be might be somewhat different.

Sukhamaya Bain 

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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
"I also think that it was OK for Professor Sen to say that he would return it if Atal Bihari Vajpayee asked it back."

May I know what the justification behind this comment is?
Let me ask you also - why didn't he decline to receive the medal and the title from Atal Bihari Vajpei if he was so allergic to this award?

As I said before, not supporting Modi is his legitimate right. But, being an academician and a Nobel Laureate, he should know better. The riot in Gujrat was the result of a statewide spontaneous mob outbreak from both sides, which resulted 31,000 arrests throughout the state, 80% were Hindus. Total 140 killed in Police firing, 80 of them were Hindus. In the first 3 days 100 were killed, 70 were Hindus. Let's remember, Indian communal riots are never one-sided. Prime Minister termed this disaster as a "National Shame." One BJP State Minister of Modi government has been hanged recently. Do you still think Modi and Indian government did not do enough? I believe - Modi is a victim of propaganda. Modi is banned from entry to USA as a result of propaganda campaign. Some people even compared him as Golam Azam of India. So on and so forth …

Educated people should not get carried away by prop


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