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Mr. Russell read it wrong. I wrote, Pakistani Muslims can have dual citizenship with Bangladesh if they wish. Among those who wished so are my former friend Brigadier Tony Mahmud and the Ispahanis. Among those who believe in religious discrimination are many Awami leaguers as well. As long as we believe in religion, we shall carry on with religious discriminations. Some are more blatant and that makes the difference. Even in the U. S. A., the equal privilege act has not removed religious or racial discrimination completely.
Mr. Kamal Das,
This is a news to me that 'any muslim born is Bangladesh automatically gets a dual citizenship of Pakistan and Bangladesh'?. I do not belive that is true at all. Bangladesh is an independent country and it is for all people regardless of their religious background. Aside from the radicals of JAMAT/HUJI/some BNP radicals, no one beieves in religious discrimination in Bangladesh. Thanks, Russell
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I don't know where I have siad that Tasloima is a reactionary. I have always shown respect for her. I have been fighting for her even in this forum. Is Prof. Das angry as because I have called RSS a reactionary party?From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ডা. দীপু মনিA large part of the Jewish 'holocaust' is fiction rather than fact. Reputed western historians, not just the present Iranian President has questioned it's authenticity. About 'Lajja', what is Mr. Chakravarty's view. Is he convinced that minorities are not persecuted here? Apparently this guy is worse than Jogen Mandal. Does he deem Taslima as a reactionary? Does he know that in spite of the atrocities carried out by the Pakistan army during our liberation war, any Muslim born in Pakistan is allowed dual citizenship in Bangladesh, but a Hindu forced out of Bangladesh into India loses his citizenship and property? Call it by any name you wish, the 'Enemy Property act' has been in force in Bangladesh for about half a century. I do not wish to believe that Mr. Chakravarty is a moron, but is he dumb and blind? He can't see what even members of Muslim community do. Or is he too apologetic to those who treat 'minority property' as mal-i-ganimat?
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:20 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:Believe it or not: Dr. Majid is right. Reactionaries coming from diverse groups act toward the same goal although there are no written agreements among them. They do it only to fulfill their respective hidden agenda. They do it to fish in the troubled waters. You should not be surprised if you find that a muslim organization in India wants to capitalize on an anti-muslim riot. RSS may like to see persecution of hindus in Bangladesh to promote its own agenda. It has been reported that RSS spent huge amount of money to translate, print, and distribute atheist Taslima's "Lajja". Both the groups need "proofs" to make their cases stronger. Iranian president even does not recognize the history of persecution of Jews by Hitler. Is he then not an ally of Hitler?
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ডা. দীপু মনিIt is highly unlikely that our current FM is a agent for RAW. However we expect our honorable ministers to know how to speak and how to make a statement. They are not ordinary citizens and their words have much more weight than you or I.
Because of her education, family background etc I was very excited to have her as our FM. Now a days I hear more disappointing comments about her than and rarely hear anyone supporting her position. It is painful to watch that our democratically elected officials are really out of touch with situation of our country.
As I said before blind supporters of parties makes me angry as well. However it is VERY unlikely that, extreme BD right group is work WITH Indian Sangh Parivar. It is as absurd as telling that, Ziaur Rahman was working for ISI during our liberation war.
There are quite a few comedians in this forum but I enjoy constructive criticism based on facts, knowledge, logic. NOT blind slavery to one party or one country. Our Creator gave us that much freedom and I don't see why we should not stay free. It makes our discussion very enjoyable...
Shalom!-----Original Message----- From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 6:37 am Subject: [mukto-mona] RE: ডা. দীপু মনিHow many times do we have to hear this? Every single time is it necessary to call everyone a RAW agent? This RAW agency of their unlimited deprived imagination has unlimited RAW agents. There is never any variety. Whenever their puny little brain runs out of ideas it is RAW time! Get it RAW. No time to cook. Herr Goebbels himself would object to his own formula --lies being told repetitively in order to make people believe in lies -- being overused and loosing its efficacy. It is getting deafening! There are all sorts of sign that these hukka hua choir (the extreme right wing faction of BD) is hired by the extreme right-wing Sangh Parivar of India. They have at least one common agenda: keeping communalism alive and kicking. We have to be mindful of that while we grit our teeth and bear the antics of these very bad comics.From: shahadathussaini@hotmail.com To: bangladeshiamericans@googlegroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com; alochona@yahoogroups.com Subject: ডা. দীপু মনি Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:56:32 -0500
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পররাষ্ট্রমন্ত্রীজাতীয় সংসদের বৈঠকে মৌখিক উত্তরদানের জন্য উত্থাপিত এম এ মান্নানের এক প্রশ্নের জবাবেআরটিএনএন, ৩০/০১/২০১২সোনা মনির কথা শুনে মোটেও অবাক হইনি,উনি তো ঐ দেশের মন্ত্রী। উনিতো উনার দেশের কথা বলবেন।আমরা ভারতের প্রতিবেশী,তাদের কল্যাণ আমাদের চিন্তা করতে হবে ।যেহেতু ভারত বন্যার পানি সামাল দিতে এ বাধ দিচ্ছে ,সুতরাং আমাদের নৈতিক দায়িত্ব হচ্ছে ভারতকে এ বাধের ব্যাপারে আর্থিকভাবে সাহায্য করা । মাননীয় মন্ত্রীর বক্তব্য থেকে আমি এটা বুঝতে পেরেছি । কেউ যদি আর ভাল কিছু বুঝে থাকেন তাহলে দয়া করে শেয়ার করুন ।This is outrageous,despicable and totally insulting.This kind of remark is befitting for paid RAW's agent.These agents are totally blind to the catastrophic damage caused by the Farakka and Teesta barrage.Now the Tipaimukh would turn Bangladesh into desert.But these water aggression and brutal tortures and killings at the border are of no concern to them.They have no love,respect and concern for Bangladeshis and Bangladesh.These agents has only one concern to be in the Indian payroll and implement the Indian agenda.This is shame that they are enjoying the luxary of expensive cars,mansions and frequent royal foreign trips at the cost of hard earned Bangladeshi tax payer money.
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"This gut sees things from one angle only." Deities are desecrated by fanatical Islamists. What's the other angle of this story? Jiten Roy --- On Sun, 2/5/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Chakravarty has not read any Jewish or Islamic scripture regarding the matter. These scriptures encourage iconoclasm. Probably he doesn't know the real meaning of the word 'gut' either.
"This gut sees things from one angle only."
Deities are desecrated by fanatical Islamists. What's the other angle of this story? Jiten Roy
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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hindu Deities demolished at Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj district of Bangladesh on 21.01.2012
Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 10:23 PM
When some one's hatred for some thing or some community is so blind that it has reached the level of fanaticism, then it is really meaningless or wastage of time to engage in any fruitful conversation with him. In a forum like Mukto-mona we need to learn see things from different angles. This gut sees things from one angle only.From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
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Children of Abraham are assured of their place in heaven for such deeds. Hence they ruin the icons of other religions.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:[Attachment(s) from Jiten Roy included below]
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Subject: Hindu Deities demolished at Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj district of Bangladesh on 21.01.2012
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Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 1:56 PM
Hi all,Some unknown perpetrators on pof January,2012 unlawfully entered into Hindu temple and demolished "Kali Deity" at village-Chormordon within Serajdi Khan Upazila of Munshigonj District of Bangladesh. When the devotees on last Saturday went to worship their Goddess "Kali Deity" they found that Hindu idols have been broken into pieces. They also informed police and police visited the spot. As a result of repeated incidents of such desecration of Hindu dities Minority Hindus of those locality feeling unsafe as insecurity was prevailing. Mr. Sheikh Mahabubur Rahman,the officer in Charge of Serajdi Khan police station said that a group of unidentified perpetrators are very much active in doing this sort of nefarious activities in the area. He hoped that he will identify those perpetrators and bring them to book. In this connection a complain has been filed at Serajdi Khan police station. The matter has been published in the national daily "Jugantor" dated 22nd of January,2012. BDMW and GHRD hurriedly communicated with the local administration over phone who informed us the situation is now under control. But till date no perpetrators has been identified by police. Through Adv.Rabindra Ghosh Founder President-Bangladesh Minority Watch (BDMW) 12, K.M. Das Lane, Tikatully, Bholagiri Trust, Sutrapur P.s.,Dhaka, Bangladesh. www.bdmw.org
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History, being reconstructed from 'evidences' may sometimes be indeed different from facts. Different authors would place the same things differently. Different people would also have different opinions, worst are those who would not stand any criticism. My question to Mahbub Kamal, "Do you have any clue to why Michelangelo's Moses has horns? Was he a goat?"
You haven't seen it because Maulana Azad never declared as Dar-ul-Harb (I have never heard the term 'Dar-ul-Arb' unless it is not a typo). As far as I know Abdul Aziz, son of Shaw Waliullah Deolawi, declared India as Dar-ul-Harb. His disciple, Syed Ahmed Barelvi of Rai Bareilly was the founder of Wahabi movement in India. He was known as Shahid-e-Balakot as he was killed in place called Balakot while fighting against Ranjit Singh's army.Some people present many 'facts' very forcefully (sometimes too forcefully) which a semi-literate like me find hard to digest, some examples are the English word whore having the same origin as Arabic hur, Ram and Ra-Amun (Amun-Ra?) being the same personality :-)Anyway they may have authentic sources out of at least my reach :-)BTW, one of my ex-colleauges had a strong belief that Nooh (Noah) and Manu were same personality. Another senior colleague told me poet Imrul Kayes embraced Islam after losing in poetry contest with the prophet (P.B.U.H) and that Surah Al-Kawser was a result of the contest. When I said that Imrul Kayes died before the prophet's birth he became extremely angry as he heard that 'history' from his father who was an 'Alim'.
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Looked up some stories on Maulana Azad but did not see anything about calling India "Dar-ul_harb"-----Original Message-----
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The exodus occurred in the twenties of last century. The man you cited existed a century earlier. Read the history of Indian Independence and Azad's contribution to it.On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
The message remains the same whether it is Azad or Berelvi. Ain't it?
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:44 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am afraid you are confusing Moulana Abul Kalam Azad with Syed Ahmed Berelvi!Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:56 AM
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One should be a little more aware of history. When Maulana Azad called India 'Darul-i-arb' or the land of war, hundreds of thousands of Moslems packed their bags and crossed the Khyber pass to walk their holy land and perished in Afghanistan.
"In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem."
Indeed, anyone is entitled to his opinion. However that would cot change the facts.On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
- "Spiritual home" of 4 million Hindus is not "thousands of miles away." You are forgetting them!
- Modern civilized world will never consider letting "him drown" as a good option.
- In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem.
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Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh
I wish to sympathize with my brother. The basic problem, though, is that his spiritual home is thousands of miles away. If he does not relocate to the place where his mind is, I have little choice but to let him drown. Abraham left his motherland after it was too saline to support cultivation. Rest is history. If my brother and I are invaded by the ocean, I would have less difficulty than these children of Abraham with a desire to conquer other civilizations by hook or crook.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
- First we should express our concern about the potentially endangered 35 million. We should think about what should be done about them. We do not have even 40 years at our disposal.
- Of these 35 million about 4 million will be non-Muslims.
- If the crisis really arises and mass migration to India occurs, can India and the rest of the world really remain indifferent in the face of this humanitarian crisis?
- Why do we assume that most of them "will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat?" Why can't we see them as the distressed humanity?
- My brother is sinking and I am worried that he will share and pollute my cousin's home! This cannot be the line of thinking.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:19 PM
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"Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level."If the above prediction of Al Gore really comes true, can you guess where those 35 million people will go? All of them will move in to India. The eastern belt of West Bengal and Assam is already saturated with Bangladeshi settlers and migrant workers. Colonies after colonies of Bangladeshi settlers are already present all around Delhi, Bombay, and Gujrat; can they take another 35 million Bangladeshi settlers? Most of them will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat. What can India do with such unwanted guests? I do not envision a happy ending. Do you?Jiten RoyFrom: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
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Portrait, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore, 11/03/09. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh
Al Gore, Reader Supported News01 February 12
fter crossing the legendary Drake Passage, we came in sight of the Antarctic continent. It is a majestic, otherworldly place. The Antarctic Peninsula, which juts northward toward South America, is lined with ice-covered mountains and surrounded by abundant wildlife in the sea. But even on this continent that looks and feels pristine, a troubling process is underway because of global warming.
The ice on land is melting at a faster rate and large ice sheets are moving toward the ocean more rapidly. As a result, sea levels are rising worldwide. Most of the world's ice is contained in Antarctica - more than 90 percent. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which lies south of the Peninsula, contains enough water to raise sea levels worldwide by more than 20 feet. Part of the ice sheet, the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf, is among the many in Antarctica that are shrinking at an accelerating rate. This has direct consequences for low-lying coastal and island communities all over the world - and for their inland neighbors.In analyzing the relationship between melting ice and sea level rise, it is important to distinguish between two kinds of ice: the ice on land and the ice floating on top of the sea. When floating ice melts, sea level is not affected, because its weight has already pushed the sea level upward. But the melting of glaciers and ice sheets resting on land does increase sea level rise. So far, the melting of small mountain glaciers and portions of ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland has been the main contributor to sea level rise from the loss of ice. (As the oceans warm up, their volume naturally expands, and this too has been a contributor to a small portion of the sea level rise that has occurred in the age of global warming).Scientists aren't yet sure precisely how much sea levels will rise over the next century. What we do know is that sea level rise is occurring already, with real consequences for human beings who live near the coasts. In the world's largest port cities, 40 million people are now already at risk of severe coastal flooding. That number could well triple within the next half-century or so.Even wealthier countries are not immune to the impacts. In the United States, for example, particularly vulnerable areas are: Miami Beach, the Chesapeake region, coastal Louisiana, and coastal Texas. In some of these areas, the land is sinking even as the oceans rise. This will have implications that extend right up to the steps of our nation's Capitol. A recent study found that sea level rise of only a tenth of a meter would lead to $2 billion in property damage and affect almost 68,000 people in Washington, D.C. In addition, the enhanced threat of storm surges was illustrated last year when tropical storm Irene led to warnings that the New York City subway system and tunnels into the city could be flooded.But the most vulnerable regions lie in developing countries, where populations are still rising fast and there is little money to shore up infrastructure. The cities most threatened by sea level rise are places like Calcutta and Mumbai in India; Guangzhou, China; and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. And of course, there are more than a few low-lying island nations - like the Maldives - that are already in imminent danger.Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level. For the nation's 142 million people packed into a small space, climate change poses a nearly unimaginable challenge. The threat of sea level rise is not simply flooding, but saltwater intrusion that hurts the production of rice, the country's staple crop. Increased damage to rice farmers could soon put 20 million farmers out of work and force them into crowded cities.Here in Antarctica, it's easy to feel isolated from the rest of the world. But as I look at this exquisite continent buried deep under the ice, it's troubling to think about what will happen as this ice melts ever more rapidly.Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.
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“The crime situation is going beyond control. We know that corruption within police force is one reason why crimes are increasing.But this increase in crimes have more reasons. Unemployment is one but we are seeing sons of rich people with cars and bikes are also involved. The street children in hundreds of thousands in
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A national daily has reported major crimes in Dhaka alone in one day.Armed muggers snatched over Tk 28 lakh after shooting at two officials of a private firm in the capital's Elephant Road yesterday.Meanwhile, another gang of criminals stabbed three fishermen on a running bus and snatched Tk 1.65 lakh from them at Bijoy Sarani in the morning.In West Rampura, a gang of armed criminals robbed 70 tolas of gold ornaments, 2.5kgs of silver ornaments and Tk 82,000 in cash from a jewellery shop in the early hours yesterday.
Those injured in the shooting at Elephant Road were Shahinur Alam, 32, an electrical engineer, and Amjad Ali Russel, 32, logistic support executive of the private company Chicks and Feeds Limited at West Panthapath of the city. Both of them received a bullet each and were admitted to Dhaka Medical College Hospital (DMCH). Shahinur told this correspondent that he along with his two colleagues was about to get into their car after withdrawing money from an NCC bank branch around 2:45pm."As soon as I pulled the car door to get in, two persons dragged me from behind. They shot at me when I fell on the ground,” he said. Russel was just behind him with the bag of money. The muggers fired at him too and ran away with the bag, Shahinur added.Security guards at the bank said the injured were taken inside the bank building to save their lives. Later, the driver of the car rushed them to DMCH.Traffic constable Azharul Islam, who was on duty a few yards off the spot, said he saw two youths with a bag running away on a motorbike. Another youth was waiting for them on the motorcycle.
Meanwhile, a gang of armed muggers yesterday hacked three fish traders on a Farmgate-bound bus at Bijoy Sarani and snatched Tk 1.65 lakh from their possession around 5:30am.The muggers then drove them out of the bus at Bijoy Sarani. Police detained two suspected muggers in this connection. Mahbubur Rahman, officer-in-charge of Tejgaon Police Station, said Tejgaon patrol police chased a bus hearing the screams of the victims and managed to stop it at Bijoy Sarani.Police managed to arrest one of the robbers and the driver of the bus. The driver might have been involved in the robbery, the OC said.Injured fish traders Mohammad Hanif, 30, Abdul Quader, 32, and Shah Alam, 35, were treated at DMCH.
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The crime situation is going beyond control. We know that corruption within police force is one reason why crimes are increasing.But this increase in crimes have more reasons. Unemployment is one but we are seeing sons of rich people with cars and bikes are also involved. The street children in hundreds of thousands in
"This gut sees things from one angle only." Deities are desecrated by fanatical Islamists. What's the other angle of this story?
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Mushtafiz Said: "It is only those who wanted a god who could be seen, touched, moved, painted, dressed up etc. who rejected him; as did the followers of Moses (they created a statue of a cow in gold in his absence) and many others." This is the problem with people, like you. You do not understand any other religious practices. Everybody believes that he/she is right. No one knows who is right. I can tell you that - every one prays to Allah; none of these people has rejected Him. You think you own Him; you don't. He also likes those who want to touch Him through His mock images. They want to dress Him up, as they wish. They want to put makeup on Him, as they wish. They do all these because they love Him that much. Get this idea out of your head that Allah likes you more than them. You haven't done anything so special for Him that you deserve such a special treatment. Most people believe in Allah in their own way. I don't have explanation for everything, I see around me. So, I believe in a creator in my own way. I do not have to follow your way for that matter. Why should I follow somebody else's way – when he/she does not know, for sure, what the right way is? If you have a concrete proof that your way is the right-way and my way is the wrong-way, come back to me; I will follow your way. Until then – get the thought out of your mind that others have rejected Him. You are just parroting someone else's thought. That's what you were told to believe. I was told to believe many things also. I follow only things that I judge myself to be right. I am an independent thinker; Allah did not make me a lamb to follow another lead lamb. That's how I think of myself. Jiten Roy
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