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Tuesday, October 31, 2017

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Waaj.



So, you expect Awamis to clean religious politics from Bangladesh? How can you be so naive about Awami politics? With the exception of few good Awami politicians, most of them are very similar to BNP/Jamat cadres. Only thing they do differently is that they play the game covertly. . 


On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 7:15:02 PM EDT, Dristy Pat dristypat5@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

"It would be interesting whether Hasina will do the right thing this time?"

Right things for Awami League would be to ban religious political parties, drive all religious functions out of state business, ban all political activities by anti-independence political  groups, and promote Banglee-culture in schools and colleges. Until these steps are implemented, plural democracy will not work in Bangladesh.  

The question is - what system will run Bangladesh in the mean time?

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 4:58 PM, DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

There is no charity in international politics. States have their own narrow national interests and they love to preserve them as hard as they can. Do you think bigger countries like US, China and EU are not projecting that hegemony on other poorer countries? It comes with the territory. You can fight it only when you are strong and need no favor. Weaker and poorer countries have not much to say in international arena, period. Should we consider Bangladesh as a strong country? Can it tell Myanmar to take back Rohingas when it knows fully that many of them were originally from Bangladesh no matter what we manufacture as history.

As for Pranab, the man was too weak to be an Indian PM. Singh was not a charismatic PM but he served the office as just another weakling. Many Muslims may not like Modi but that man is outgoing and world listen to him. Indians need strongmen/women at the helm. Otherwise, Chinese and Pakistanis would be on their case and bully them without Indians returning the fire. With no strong rhetoric coming from New Delhi, India will be ignored and bullied at the world stage. So, lets be in their shoes than demanding Indians giving us proper respect.

Do Bangladesh deserve respect world wide? Not until it practices what it preaches. Hasina government is a mockery of democracy. Modi gang has explicitly expressed that view with Shusma-Sharaj visit and Awamis  have finally taken the notice. They did not like it for very good reason. Call it India hegemony too. Whether Awamis will implement democracy in Bangladesh, that is a different question. Mukerjee gang has failed Bangladesh miserably by patronizing Hasina government for too long. It would be interesting whether Hasina will do the right thing this time? 

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Taj Hashmi <tajhashmi@gmail.com> wrote:
Sharing My Next Op-Ed

Pranab Mukherjee tells it all!

 

Taj Hashmi

 

India's immediate past President Pranab Mukherjee (82) in his The Coalition Years, 1996-2012 – his twelfth book – tells his own tale about the last 16 years of his experience in active politics until 2012, when he became the President of the Republic. He was in active politics for 43 years (1969-2012), holding important positions as MP; Leader of the Lok Sabha, and Rajya Sabha; Deputy Chair of the Planning Commission; Defence; External Affairs; and Finance Minister. But for Congress President Sonia Gandhi's selection of Manmohan Singh, he would have become the Prime Minister.

 

Since I haven't seen his latest book yet, this piece isn't about the book per se but what media has revealed from excerpts of the work, some of which are very revealing, and relevant to Bangladesh. This piece is all about the excerpts, which I consider very disturbing from the Bangladeshi perspective. The small paragraph on India's relationship with Bangladesh tells us all. I know those who know about India's hegemonic designs in Bangladesh, and its big brotherly attitude toward all its smaller neighbours, the excerpt I'm referring to here gives them the "you're telling me!" moment.

 

They know, as I know, India has been very condescending, deceptive, domineering, and demeaning to Bangladesh. And Pranab Mukherjee – possibly inadvertently –  has re-confirmed our perception and experience that India considers itself as a hegemon, a neo-colonial master in the postcolonial world. Some of Pranab Mukherjee's up-close comments about his intimate personal relationship with Sheikh Hasina and her family members, and some other important people in Bangladesh is very discomforting for patriotic Bangladeshis in general. However, those who want Bangladesh to remain an Indian satellite, would be ever thankful to Mukherjee for his role in doctoring the 2008 Elections in Bangladesh.

 

In Part II of his autobiography, he narrates an episode which virtually amounts to meddling in the internal affairs of Bangladesh. Mukherjee writes: "In February 2008 (while he was India's External Affairs Minister), Bangladesh army chief Moin Ahmed came to India on a six-day visit. He called on me too. During the informal interaction, I impressed upon him the importance of releasing political prisoners." Then Mukherjee mentions his assuaging the fears of the General about his personal safety under Hasina Government: "I took personal responsibility and assured the general of his survival after Hasina's return to power….With my intervention through the then National Security Advisor MK Narayanan, I ensured the release of all political prisoners and the nation's return to stability." He also mentions India's continued engagement with the military-backed caretaker government in Bangladesh.

 

What's even more revealing in the autobiography that after Hasina came to power, she assured that General Moin would remain in office, and that Pranab Mukherjee also reprimanded Awami League leaders who deserted Hasina during her bad days: "In fact, when some Awami League leaders deserted her at the time she was in jail, I rebuked them for their stand and told them that to leave someone when they are down is unethical." One may thank Mr Mukherjee for being so candid and honest! But there's a problem here! He tells us – despite being an Indian politician – he regularly meddled into the internal affairs of Bangladesh, and moulded its politics to serve Indian interests.

 

So far, so good! We know India has always been an intrusive, big brotherly, and malignant neighbour of Bangladesh. And as to how some top Indian leaders assert India's hegemony over Bangladesh is well-reflected in a personal correspondence of Dr Kamal Siddiquie, a former Principal Secretary to the PM Khaleda Zia, with this writer on October 23, 2017. He gives a candid eye-witness account of as to how India's External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee behaved with PM Khaleda Zia in this regard, at a top-level meeting in New Delhi in 2006:

 

"It was a formal official meeting between the two PMs in Delhi in March 2006. On our side were the PM, Foreign Minister Morshed Khan, State Minister for Foreign Affairs Reaz Rahman, myself the Principal Secretary, and Shamsher Mobin Choudhury, the Foreign Secretary. As soon as the meeting began, I found the Indian Foreign Minister grossly overstepping his role and firing broadside against us, for our 'bad behaviour' with India, including our alleged support to the ULFA which was a damn lie. As he was speaking, he was also pointing his finger at our PM in a most disgusting manner, and it showed that he was no gentleman. His language was the Babu English spoken by clerks in West Bengal." 

 

Dr Kamal Siddiquie's account corroborates what Babu Pranab Mukherjee – who was once an upper division clerk – has written about his manoeuvring and undermining Bangladeshi politicians in the recent past. There's no reason to assume that he was the first and only Indian leader to do so. Even senior Indian civil servants at times could be much more powerful than most powerful and influential leaders in Bangladesh. We know India's former External Affairs Secretary Sujata Singh – who was just a public servant, not politician – directly intervened into Bangladesh politics on the eve of the so-called parliamentary elections of January 5th 2014. She flew to Dhaka, and literally coerced Ershad into submission. Who, till his close-door meeting with Sujata Singh in Dhaka was unwilling to take part in the farcical elections, had to change his mind. He participated in the voter-less election, and was "elected" uncontested. As desired by India, Ershad simply legitimised Hasina's re-ascendancy to power, for another five years.  

 

In view of the above, it's obvious that Indian politicians in general – particularly those from the Congress Party – leave no stone unturned to see their own people in power in Bangladesh. Their most preferred Bangladeshi politicians mostly belong to the Awami League and the various factions of the Jatiya Party, originally floated by General Ershad. Possibly with the exceptions of Morarji Desai, V.P. Singh, and I.K. Gujral, all Indian Prime Ministers since 1971 have been intrusive and hegemonic with regard to Bangladesh. What we get from the anecdotes narrated by Pranab Mukherjee in his latest book, and from his grossly disrespectful behaviour with Khaleda Zia – a visiting Prime Minister from Bangladesh in 2006 – are just tips of the iceberg called "India's Bangladesh Policy", which is all about treating Bangladesh as an Indian satellite, not as a sovereign country.  

 

As Mukherjee's condescendingly intrusive mindset with regard to the internal affairs of Bangladesh is sickening, so are his public assertions as to how he treated General Moin, and rebuked those Awami League leaders who deserted Sheikh Hasina while she was in jail during the army-led "caretaker" government in 2007-2008. Most importantly, Bangladesh should not take Pranab Mukherjee as an exception in this regard. There's no reason to believe that Narendra Modi, Shushma Swaraj, and other members in the Modi Government have any benign or non-intrusive policy toward Bangladesh. What Shushma Swaraj did during her recent visit to Bangladesh – she didn't meet Rowshan Ershad, the so-called Leader of the Opposition, and instead met Khaleda Zia (despite Hasina's dislike) – shouldn't make self-respecting and patriotic Bangladeshis complacent about New Delhi's not-so-hidden anti-Bangladesh agenda.

 

Nothing would be more counterproductive and disastrous for Bangladesh than considering Modi a better alternative to Manmohan, and Shushma Swaraj a better person than Pranab Mukherjee, with regard to India's Bangladesh policy. By the way, who's Shushma Swaraj to tell Bangladesh that parliamentary elections under an unelected caretaker government is not the right thing for democracy?

 

Dr Taj Hashmi teaches security studies at Austin Peay State University in the US. He is the author of several books, including his latest, Global Jihad and America: The Hundred-Year War Beyond Iraq and Afghanistan (Sage, 2014). tajhashmi@gmail.com

 


On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

Am man with very low intelligence! Think about how little these people contribute to the society and Bengali culture..

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[mukto-mona] 'If an ideology values death over life, then there is no way to stop it but brutal force?'



We condemn Islamic militants' latest attack in Manhattan. Where are those 'Peace loving' religious bigots? How long the civilized world will tolerate those Islamic thugs? it's a sad day for NYC. 
A case has been filed, please see below: 

See my writting on this published Monaday in Dhaka, will be published in Weekly Thikana, 1st Nov 2017. http://www.bhorerkagoj.net/epaper/2017/10/30/4/details/4_r4_c2.jpg





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Obviously, the faculty is run by very poorly educated teachers with communal and bigoted minds. If these idiots are expecting students would be pandering the religious ideologies and be accepted/admitted for the 'right' answer, then they got it totally wrong. It would be healthier to get rid of such poor teachers from the campus for the greater good of the university education. An university is not a madrassa! As for filing a discrimination suit, I do not know where that would lead us in a country where average IQ is gradually decreasing even with 'highly educated' morons.

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[mukto-mona] Al-Masahif 24: Terrorism over prohets wife Hafsa.

Why did, so called muslim scholar snatched original holy book from the dead body of Hafsa to burn in bonefire. They created a book after burning now that fanatics and not so savvy beliver claims to be words of Almighty. Was the bornfire sanctioned by Almighy, or for them those scholar is almughty. Why muslims dont respect the 12+"suras that approve of secularism and undisputably authentic words from prophet, but they do to those contradicts and makes look like taking from both sides of mouth. Isn't that ultimate afront to preaching






murtard decree one such, which mandate terrorism. If you have give benefits of doubts, it should be on the error on the side of Islam/peace, not terror. How one can be true muslims without accepting undisputable 12+ suras without qualificans? Are lost souls who dont care to accept undisputable suras.


At best fool, if not murtad believers. The murtard decree contradics, i suspect added after bonefire.


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[mukto-mona] ‘এক দিনের ঘোষণায় স্বাধীনতা আসেনি’




'এক দিনের ঘোষণায় স্বাধীনতা আসেনি'

নিজস্ব প্রতিবেদক
৩১ অক্টোবর ২০১৭, ২১:৪০

তোফায়েল আহমেদ । ফাইল ছবিবাণিজ্যমন্ত্রী তোফায়েল আহমেদ বলেছেন, এক দিনের ঘোষণায় বাংলাদেশের স্বাধীনতা আসেনি। তিল তিল করে বঙ্গবন্ধু জীবন দিয়ে বাংলাদেশের স্বাধীনতার প্রেক্ষাপট তৈরি করেন। আজ মঙ্গলবার সচিবালয়ে ঐতিহাসিক ৭ই মার্চের ভাষণকে ইউনেসকোর 'মেমোরি অব দ্য ওয়ার্ল্ড' স্বীকৃতি দেওয়ার প্রতিক্রিয়া জানাতে গিয়ে তিনি সাংবাদিকদের এসব কথা বলেন।

বাণিজ্যমন্ত্রী বলেন, 'আজ যাঁরা বলছেন জিয়াউর রহমানের ঘোষণায় দেশ স্বাধীন হয়েছে, তাঁরা অজ্ঞ। বিশ্বাসের সঙ্গে তাঁরা প্রতারণা করেন। জিয়াউর রহমান যদি ১৯৭১ সালে চট্টগ্রামে না থেকে পাকিস্তান বা ঢাকায় থাকতেন, তাহলে তাঁর নামই কেউ জানত না।' তিনি নিজেও ১৯৬৯ সাল পর্যন্ত জিয়াউর রহমানকে চিনতেন না বলে জানান।

ইউনেসকোর স্বীকৃতি প্রত্যাশিত, উল্লেখ করে বাণিজ্যমন্ত্রী বলেন, 'আমরা বিশ্বাস করতাম, একদিন না একদিন এই স্বীকৃতি আসবে। এসেছে এবং এর মধ্য দিয়ে প্রমাণিত হলো যে ৭ই মার্চের ভাষণ বিশ্বের শ্রেষ্ঠ ভাষণ।' তিনি বলেন, ৭ই মার্চের ভাষণে ইয়াহিয়া খানকে বঙ্গবন্ধু চারটি শর্ত দিয়েছিলেন—সামরিক আইন তুলে নেওয়া, সেনাবাহিনীকে ব্যারাকে ফিরিয়ে নেওয়া, নির্বাচিত প্রতিনিধির কাছে ক্ষমতা হস্তান্তর করা এবং পাকিস্তান বাহিনীর চালানো বর্বরতার বিচার বিভাগীয় তদন্ত করা।

তোফায়েল আহমেদ বলেন, বঙ্গবন্ধু বাঙালি জাতিকে শত্রুর মোকাবিলা করার জন্য প্রস্তুত থাকারও নির্দেশ দিয়েছিলেন। তিনি ভাষণে দেশকে শত্রুমুক্ত করার কথা বলেছিলেন। এটি ছিল কৌশল; যেন ইয়াহিয়া খানরা বিচ্ছিন্নতাবাদী না বলতে পারে বা পাকিস্তান ভাঙার দায় বঙ্গবন্ধুর ঘাড়ে না দিতে পারে। পাকিস্তান সেনাবাহিনীর এক গোয়েন্দা প্রতিবেদনে শেখ মুজিবকে 'চতুর' হিসেবে উল্লেখ করা হয়। প্রতিবেদনে এক গোয়েন্দা কর্মকর্তা বলেছিলেন, 'শেখ মুজিব কৌশলে স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দিয়ে গেলেন, কিন্তু আমরা কিছুই করতে পারলাম না।'

বাণিজ্যমন্ত্রী বলেন, 'বঙ্গবন্ধুর ৭ই মার্চের ১৮ মিনিটের ভাষণ ছিল অলিখিত। এই ভাষণ একটি নিরস্ত্র জাতিকে স্বাধীনতার জন্য উদ্বুদ্ধ করেছিল। তিনি সারা জীবন যা বিশ্বাস করতেন, তার ওপর ভিত্তি করেই ওই ভাষণ দিয়েছিলেন। বিশ্বে অন্য কোনো ভাষণ এতবার উচ্চারিত হয়নি, এতবার বাজানো হয়নি। অথচ এই ভাষণ আমরা এক সময় ১৫ আগস্ট ও ৭ মার্চ বাজাতে পারিনি। বিএনপির শাসনামলে আমাদের তা বাজাতে দেওয়া হয়নি। মাইক কেড়ে নেওয়া হয়েছে।'

তোফায়েল আহমেদ বলেন, ইয়াহিয়া খান শেখ মুজিবের নাম উচ্চারণ করেছিলেন, জিয়াউর রহমানের নয়। শেখ মুজিবকে আগরতলা মামলায় ফাঁসিতে ঝোলাতে চেয়েছিলেন, জিয়াউর রহমানকে নয়। তিনি বলেন, 'ছাত্রনেতা হিসেবে পল্টন ময়দানের জনসভায় আমিও ঘোষণা দিয়েছিলাম, আজ থেকে বাংলাদেশ স্বাধীন। পাকিস্তানের পতাকা পুড়িয়ে দিয়েছিলাম। তাতে কি বাংলাদেশ স্বাধীন হয়েছিল? মহান নেতার ঘোষণা না পাওয়া পর্যন্ত বাঙালি জাতি মুক্তিযুদ্ধে নামেনি।'

http://www.prothom-alo.com/bangladesh/article/1355641/'একদিনের-ঘোষণায়-স্বাধীনতা-আসেনি'

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"It would be interesting whether Hasina will do the right thing this time?"

Right things for Awami League would be to ban religious political parties, drive all religious functions out of state business, ban all political activities by anti-independence political  groups, and promote Banglee-culture in schools and colleges. Until these steps are implemented, plural democracy will not work in Bangladesh.  

The question is - what system will run Bangladesh in the mean time?

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 4:58 PM, DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

There is no charity in international politics. States have their own narrow national interests and they love to preserve them as hard as they can. Do you think bigger countries like US, China and EU are not projecting that hegemony on other poorer countries? It comes with the territory. You can fight it only when you are strong and need no favor. Weaker and poorer countries have not much to say in international arena, period. Should we consider Bangladesh as a strong country? Can it tell Myanmar to take back Rohingas when it knows fully that many of them were originally from Bangladesh no matter what we manufacture as history.

As for Pranab, the man was too weak to be an Indian PM. Singh was not a charismatic PM but he served the office as just another weakling. Many Muslims may not like Modi but that man is outgoing and world listen to him. Indians need strongmen/women at the helm. Otherwise, Chinese and Pakistanis would be on their case and bully them without Indians returning the fire. With no strong rhetoric coming from New Delhi, India will be ignored and bullied at the world stage. So, lets be in their shoes than demanding Indians giving us proper respect.

Do Bangladesh deserve respect world wide? Not until it practices what it preaches. Hasina government is a mockery of democracy. Modi gang has explicitly expressed that view with Shusma-Sharaj visit and Awamis  have finally taken the notice. They did not like it for very good reason. Call it India hegemony too. Whether Awamis will implement democracy in Bangladesh, that is a different question. Mukerjee gang has failed Bangladesh miserably by patronizing Hasina government for too long. It would be interesting whether Hasina will do the right thing this time? 

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Taj Hashmi <tajhashmi@gmail.com> wrote:
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Pranab Mukherjee tells it all!

 

Taj Hashmi

 

India's immediate past President Pranab Mukherjee (82) in his The Coalition Years, 1996-2012 – his twelfth book – tells his own tale about the last 16 years of his experience in active politics until 2012, when he became the President of the Republic. He was in active politics for 43 years (1969-2012), holding important positions as MP; Leader of the Lok Sabha, and Rajya Sabha; Deputy Chair of the Planning Commission; Defence; External Affairs; and Finance Minister. But for Congress President Sonia Gandhi's selection of Manmohan Singh, he would have become the Prime Minister.

 

Since I haven't seen his latest book yet, this piece isn't about the book per se but what media has revealed from excerpts of the work, some of which are very revealing, and relevant to Bangladesh. This piece is all about the excerpts, which I consider very disturbing from the Bangladeshi perspective. The small paragraph on India's relationship with Bangladesh tells us all. I know those who know about India's hegemonic designs in Bangladesh, and its big brotherly attitude toward all its smaller neighbours, the excerpt I'm referring to here gives them the "you're telling me!" moment.

 

They know, as I know, India has been very condescending, deceptive, domineering, and demeaning to Bangladesh. And Pranab Mukherjee – possibly inadvertently –  has re-confirmed our perception and experience that India considers itself as a hegemon, a neo-colonial master in the postcolonial world. Some of Pranab Mukherjee's up-close comments about his intimate personal relationship with Sheikh Hasina and her family members, and some other important people in Bangladesh is very discomforting for patriotic Bangladeshis in general. However, those who want Bangladesh to remain an Indian satellite, would be ever thankful to Mukherjee for his role in doctoring the 2008 Elections in Bangladesh.

 

In Part II of his autobiography, he narrates an episode which virtually amounts to meddling in the internal affairs of Bangladesh. Mukherjee writes: "In February 2008 (while he was India's External Affairs Minister), Bangladesh army chief Moin Ahmed came to India on a six-day visit. He called on me too. During the informal interaction, I impressed upon him the importance of releasing political prisoners." Then Mukherjee mentions his assuaging the fears of the General about his personal safety under Hasina Government: "I took personal responsibility and assured the general of his survival after Hasina's return to power….With my intervention through the then National Security Advisor MK Narayanan, I ensured the release of all political prisoners and the nation's return to stability." He also mentions India's continued engagement with the military-backed caretaker government in Bangladesh.

 

What's even more revealing in the autobiography that after Hasina came to power, she assured that General Moin would remain in office, and that Pranab Mukherjee also reprimanded Awami League leaders who deserted Hasina during her bad days: "In fact, when some Awami League leaders deserted her at the time she was in jail, I rebuked them for their stand and told them that to leave someone when they are down is unethical." One may thank Mr Mukherjee for being so candid and honest! But there's a problem here! He tells us – despite being an Indian politician – he regularly meddled into the internal affairs of Bangladesh, and moulded its politics to serve Indian interests.

 

So far, so good! We know India has always been an intrusive, big brotherly, and malignant neighbour of Bangladesh. And as to how some top Indian leaders assert India's hegemony over Bangladesh is well-reflected in a personal correspondence of Dr Kamal Siddiquie, a former Principal Secretary to the PM Khaleda Zia, with this writer on October 23, 2017. He gives a candid eye-witness account of as to how India's External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee behaved with PM Khaleda Zia in this regard, at a top-level meeting in New Delhi in 2006:

 

"It was a formal official meeting between the two PMs in Delhi in March 2006. On our side were the PM, Foreign Minister Morshed Khan, State Minister for Foreign Affairs Reaz Rahman, myself the Principal Secretary, and Shamsher Mobin Choudhury, the Foreign Secretary. As soon as the meeting began, I found the Indian Foreign Minister grossly overstepping his role and firing broadside against us, for our 'bad behaviour' with India, including our alleged support to the ULFA which was a damn lie. As he was speaking, he was also pointing his finger at our PM in a most disgusting manner, and it showed that he was no gentleman. His language was the Babu English spoken by clerks in West Bengal." 

 

Dr Kamal Siddiquie's account corroborates what Babu Pranab Mukherjee – who was once an upper division clerk – has written about his manoeuvring and undermining Bangladeshi politicians in the recent past. There's no reason to assume that he was the first and only Indian leader to do so. Even senior Indian civil servants at times could be much more powerful than most powerful and influential leaders in Bangladesh. We know India's former External Affairs Secretary Sujata Singh – who was just a public servant, not politician – directly intervened into Bangladesh politics on the eve of the so-called parliamentary elections of January 5th 2014. She flew to Dhaka, and literally coerced Ershad into submission. Who, till his close-door meeting with Sujata Singh in Dhaka was unwilling to take part in the farcical elections, had to change his mind. He participated in the voter-less election, and was "elected" uncontested. As desired by India, Ershad simply legitimised Hasina's re-ascendancy to power, for another five years.  

 

In view of the above, it's obvious that Indian politicians in general – particularly those from the Congress Party – leave no stone unturned to see their own people in power in Bangladesh. Their most preferred Bangladeshi politicians mostly belong to the Awami League and the various factions of the Jatiya Party, originally floated by General Ershad. Possibly with the exceptions of Morarji Desai, V.P. Singh, and I.K. Gujral, all Indian Prime Ministers since 1971 have been intrusive and hegemonic with regard to Bangladesh. What we get from the anecdotes narrated by Pranab Mukherjee in his latest book, and from his grossly disrespectful behaviour with Khaleda Zia – a visiting Prime Minister from Bangladesh in 2006 – are just tips of the iceberg called "India's Bangladesh Policy", which is all about treating Bangladesh as an Indian satellite, not as a sovereign country.  

 

As Mukherjee's condescendingly intrusive mindset with regard to the internal affairs of Bangladesh is sickening, so are his public assertions as to how he treated General Moin, and rebuked those Awami League leaders who deserted Sheikh Hasina while she was in jail during the army-led "caretaker" government in 2007-2008. Most importantly, Bangladesh should not take Pranab Mukherjee as an exception in this regard. There's no reason to believe that Narendra Modi, Shushma Swaraj, and other members in the Modi Government have any benign or non-intrusive policy toward Bangladesh. What Shushma Swaraj did during her recent visit to Bangladesh – she didn't meet Rowshan Ershad, the so-called Leader of the Opposition, and instead met Khaleda Zia (despite Hasina's dislike) – shouldn't make self-respecting and patriotic Bangladeshis complacent about New Delhi's not-so-hidden anti-Bangladesh agenda.

 

Nothing would be more counterproductive and disastrous for Bangladesh than considering Modi a better alternative to Manmohan, and Shushma Swaraj a better person than Pranab Mukherjee, with regard to India's Bangladesh policy. By the way, who's Shushma Swaraj to tell Bangladesh that parliamentary elections under an unelected caretaker government is not the right thing for democracy?

 

Dr Taj Hashmi teaches security studies at Austin Peay State University in the US. He is the author of several books, including his latest, Global Jihad and America: The Hundred-Year War Beyond Iraq and Afghanistan (Sage, 2014). tajhashmi@gmail.com

 


On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

Am man with very low intelligence! Think about how little these people contribute to the society and Bengali culture..

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There is no charity in international politics. States have their own narrow national interests and they love to preserve them as hard as they can. Do you think bigger countries like US, China and EU are not projecting that hegemony on other poorer countries? It comes with the territory. You can fight it only when you are strong and need no favor. Weaker and poorer countries have not much to say in international arena, period. Should we consider Bangladesh as a strong country? Can it tell Myanmar to take back Rohingas when it knows fully that many of them were originally from Bangladesh no matter what we manufacture as history.

As for Pranab, the man was too weak to be an Indian PM. Singh was not a charismatic PM but he served the office as just another weakling. Many Muslims may not like Modi but that man is outgoing and world listen to him. Indians need strongmen/women at the helm. Otherwise, Chinese and Pakistanis would be on their case and bully them without Indians returning the fire. With no strong rhetoric coming from New Delhi, India will be ignored and bullied at the world stage. So, lets be in their shoes than demanding Indians giving us proper respect.

Do Bangladesh deserve respect world wide? Not until it practices what it preaches. Hasina government is a mockery of democracy. Modi gang has explicitly expressed that view with Shusma-Sharaj visit and Awamis  have finally taken the notice. They did not like it for very good reason. Call it India hegemony too. Whether Awamis will implement democracy in Bangladesh, that is a different question. Mukerjee gang has failed Bangladesh miserably by patronizing Hasina government for too long. It would be interesting whether Hasina will do the right thing this time? 

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Taj Hashmi <tajhashmi@gmail.com> wrote:
Sharing My Next Op-Ed

Pranab Mukherjee tells it all!

 

Taj Hashmi

 

India's immediate past President Pranab Mukherjee (82) in his The Coalition Years, 1996-2012 – his twelfth book – tells his own tale about the last 16 years of his experience in active politics until 2012, when he became the President of the Republic. He was in active politics for 43 years (1969-2012), holding important positions as MP; Leader of the Lok Sabha, and Rajya Sabha; Deputy Chair of the Planning Commission; Defence; External Affairs; and Finance Minister. But for Congress President Sonia Gandhi's selection of Manmohan Singh, he would have become the Prime Minister.

 

Since I haven't seen his latest book yet, this piece isn't about the book per se but what media has revealed from excerpts of the work, some of which are very revealing, and relevant to Bangladesh. This piece is all about the excerpts, which I consider very disturbing from the Bangladeshi perspective. The small paragraph on India's relationship with Bangladesh tells us all. I know those who know about India's hegemonic designs in Bangladesh, and its big brotherly attitude toward all its smaller neighbours, the excerpt I'm referring to here gives them the "you're telling me!" moment.

 

They know, as I know, India has been very condescending, deceptive, domineering, and demeaning to Bangladesh. And Pranab Mukherjee – possibly inadvertently –  has re-confirmed our perception and experience that India considers itself as a hegemon, a neo-colonial master in the postcolonial world. Some of Pranab Mukherjee's up-close comments about his intimate personal relationship with Sheikh Hasina and her family members, and some other important people in Bangladesh is very discomforting for patriotic Bangladeshis in general. However, those who want Bangladesh to remain an Indian satellite, would be ever thankful to Mukherjee for his role in doctoring the 2008 Elections in Bangladesh.

 

In Part II of his autobiography, he narrates an episode which virtually amounts to meddling in the internal affairs of Bangladesh. Mukherjee writes: "In February 2008 (while he was India's External Affairs Minister), Bangladesh army chief Moin Ahmed came to India on a six-day visit. He called on me too. During the informal interaction, I impressed upon him the importance of releasing political prisoners." Then Mukherjee mentions his assuaging the fears of the General about his personal safety under Hasina Government: "I took personal responsibility and assured the general of his survival after Hasina's return to power….With my intervention through the then National Security Advisor MK Narayanan, I ensured the release of all political prisoners and the nation's return to stability." He also mentions India's continued engagement with the military-backed caretaker government in Bangladesh.

 

What's even more revealing in the autobiography that after Hasina came to power, she assured that General Moin would remain in office, and that Pranab Mukherjee also reprimanded Awami League leaders who deserted Hasina during her bad days: "In fact, when some Awami League leaders deserted her at the time she was in jail, I rebuked them for their stand and told them that to leave someone when they are down is unethical." One may thank Mr Mukherjee for being so candid and honest! But there's a problem here! He tells us – despite being an Indian politician – he regularly meddled into the internal affairs of Bangladesh, and moulded its politics to serve Indian interests.

 

So far, so good! We know India has always been an intrusive, big brotherly, and malignant neighbour of Bangladesh. And as to how some top Indian leaders assert India's hegemony over Bangladesh is well-reflected in a personal correspondence of Dr Kamal Siddiquie, a former Principal Secretary to the PM Khaleda Zia, with this writer on October 23, 2017. He gives a candid eye-witness account of as to how India's External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee behaved with PM Khaleda Zia in this regard, at a top-level meeting in New Delhi in 2006:

 

"It was a formal official meeting between the two PMs in Delhi in March 2006. On our side were the PM, Foreign Minister Morshed Khan, State Minister for Foreign Affairs Reaz Rahman, myself the Principal Secretary, and Shamsher Mobin Choudhury, the Foreign Secretary. As soon as the meeting began, I found the Indian Foreign Minister grossly overstepping his role and firing broadside against us, for our 'bad behaviour' with India, including our alleged support to the ULFA which was a damn lie. As he was speaking, he was also pointing his finger at our PM in a most disgusting manner, and it showed that he was no gentleman. His language was the Babu English spoken by clerks in West Bengal." 

 

Dr Kamal Siddiquie's account corroborates what Babu Pranab Mukherjee – who was once an upper division clerk – has written about his manoeuvring and undermining Bangladeshi politicians in the recent past. There's no reason to assume that he was the first and only Indian leader to do so. Even senior Indian civil servants at times could be much more powerful than most powerful and influential leaders in Bangladesh. We know India's former External Affairs Secretary Sujata Singh – who was just a public servant, not politician – directly intervened into Bangladesh politics on the eve of the so-called parliamentary elections of January 5th 2014. She flew to Dhaka, and literally coerced Ershad into submission. Who, till his close-door meeting with Sujata Singh in Dhaka was unwilling to take part in the farcical elections, had to change his mind. He participated in the voter-less election, and was "elected" uncontested. As desired by India, Ershad simply legitimised Hasina's re-ascendancy to power, for another five years.  

 

In view of the above, it's obvious that Indian politicians in general – particularly those from the Congress Party – leave no stone unturned to see their own people in power in Bangladesh. Their most preferred Bangladeshi politicians mostly belong to the Awami League and the various factions of the Jatiya Party, originally floated by General Ershad. Possibly with the exceptions of Morarji Desai, V.P. Singh, and I.K. Gujral, all Indian Prime Ministers since 1971 have been intrusive and hegemonic with regard to Bangladesh. What we get from the anecdotes narrated by Pranab Mukherjee in his latest book, and from his grossly disrespectful behaviour with Khaleda Zia – a visiting Prime Minister from Bangladesh in 2006 – are just tips of the iceberg called "India's Bangladesh Policy", which is all about treating Bangladesh as an Indian satellite, not as a sovereign country.  

 

As Mukherjee's condescendingly intrusive mindset with regard to the internal affairs of Bangladesh is sickening, so are his public assertions as to how he treated General Moin, and rebuked those Awami League leaders who deserted Sheikh Hasina while she was in jail during the army-led "caretaker" government in 2007-2008. Most importantly, Bangladesh should not take Pranab Mukherjee as an exception in this regard. There's no reason to believe that Narendra Modi, Shushma Swaraj, and other members in the Modi Government have any benign or non-intrusive policy toward Bangladesh. What Shushma Swaraj did during her recent visit to Bangladesh – she didn't meet Rowshan Ershad, the so-called Leader of the Opposition, and instead met Khaleda Zia (despite Hasina's dislike) – shouldn't make self-respecting and patriotic Bangladeshis complacent about New Delhi's not-so-hidden anti-Bangladesh agenda.

 

Nothing would be more counterproductive and disastrous for Bangladesh than considering Modi a better alternative to Manmohan, and Shushma Swaraj a better person than Pranab Mukherjee, with regard to India's Bangladesh policy. By the way, who's Shushma Swaraj to tell Bangladesh that parliamentary elections under an unelected caretaker government is not the right thing for democracy?

 

Dr Taj Hashmi teaches security studies at Austin Peay State University in the US. He is the author of several books, including his latest, Global Jihad and America: The Hundred-Year War Beyond Iraq and Afghanistan (Sage, 2014). tajhashmi@gmail.com

 


On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

Am man with very low intelligence! Think about how little these people contribute to the society and Bengali culture..

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:02 PM, 'Khoniker Othithee' via Bangladesh Progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com> wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QM-1KEyvhww

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