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[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Fw: Fwd: Why 300 Pak Women Serving in Israeli Army



Not a whole lot of different reason than the true believers have for migrating to non Muslim countries in americas and Europe ; for better and secured life for their children.


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Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2016 12:35:36 AM

When morons are going for more purer form of Islam, some of the current dedicated Wahabis would be considered as non-Muslims soon or later. To some people, Shias have already become non-Muslims. According to all criteria, only ISIL cadres are probably practicing the real Islam? It is a pure comedy!




On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:

I believe Qadiyanis or members of the Ahmedia community have been declared non-Muslims in Pakistan. There were reports of many brutal attacks on the Ahmedies by Sunni Muslims there. Yet, Pakistan had great many talents belonging to this community. Prominent among them were former Foreign Minister Chwdhury Muhammad Jaffarullah Khan, former Chairman of Planning Commission M M Ahmed, the father of Pakistan's atomic project Adbul Qadeer Khan.  I understand, Bangladesh also has a small Ahmedia community in Brahmanbaria and Comilla. 


Pakistan's official policy towards this sect may have forced its members to emigrate to the West and Israel. Obviously, most of them are no more Pakistanis, if they have been naturalized in their host countries. A few years back, I saw the picture of a fantastic modern Ahamedia City in south Israel, which imply of a special privilege enjoyed by this group in Israel, which otherwise is so security conscious


Therefore, Israeli military having members--men and women-- of Ahmedia community in its fold is not surprising. But they cannot be called "Pakistanis," as they no more belong to Pakistan. And, acknowledging the communities suffering in Pakistan, the opposition of this group to Pakistan is also natural.  


To me, Pakistan had been, and still is, on wrong track in many ways. It's treatment of the Ahmedias in one. 


   




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Subject: {PFC-Friends} Fw: Fwd: Why 300 Pak Women Serving in Israeli Army
 
I had no idea. did u guys ??
 



                                 Why 300 Pak Women Serving in Israeli Army 
CorporateAmbassador Monitoring Report: More Qadiyanis serve in the Israeli Armed Forces than Pakistan according to a book "Israel: A Profile", by a ...

Corporate Ambassador focuses on the coverage of issues relating to corporate sector, economy, finance, stock markets, diplomatic events/interviews, showbiz, art, culture, organised crimes and politics.

Why 300 Pakistani women serving in Israel's army

CorporateAmbassador Monitoring Report: More Qadiyanis serve in the Israeli Armed Forces than Pakistan according to a book "Israel: A Profile", by a renowned Jewish Professor, I.T Naomi. He stated: "600 Ahmadi sect people from Pakistan are working in Israeli army. About 300 are young Pakistani Qadiyani girls and 300 are men, serving in the Israeli army. To many analysts, Qadiaynis are a political issue and have always been a security threat for Pakistan. In India, Qadiyanis have collected and donated thousands to the Indian Army fund after Kargil.
Now the question is after 20 years where are these officers? How far up have they gone? What is their current status in the armed forces and intelligence agencies? Qadiyanis were created for political reasons and also to confuse the Muslims especially on the matter of "jihad", said a senior analyst, reports The London Post.
"Give peace to the Ahmadis if you want peace in Karachi", in 1995 a very senior Qadiyani leader said to me while sitting in one of his fully licensed restaurant at Wilmslow Road, Manchester. It was the time when Benazir Bhutto's government was doing "operation clean up" in Karachi under interior minister Naseerullah Babar.
On 15th February 1987, Pakistani Foreign Minister Sahibzada Yakub Khan declared in the National Assembly that there were 328 Qadiyani officers of different ranks in the Pakistan Armed Forces. According to his report 1, Lt. General, 5 Brigadiers in the army and 1 similar rank in the Air Force = 6, Colonial 10 Army, 2 Navy, 3 Air Force= 15, Lt. Colonials 56 Army, 6 Navy, 11 Air Force = 73, Major 135 Army, 5 Navy, 16 Air Force = 156, Captain 58 Army, 5 Navy, 14 Air Force = 77,  Total 328.
Tariq Aziz reportedly Qadiyani relative of Rehman Malik and former president Musharaf's National Security Advisor, has been hired for the "track two diplomacy with India". His rank and salary was equivalent to a federal minister.
Impact magazine wrote: "The National Assembly (in 1974) would go to remove a long standing but an unnecessary anomaly. The decision would serve only to formalise the defacto even de jure position. The problem had arisen not because the Muslims in some fit of orthodoxy or fanaticism wanted to "excommunicate" any group of people. Its origin, on the other hand, lay in the assumption by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadiyan of Messiahship, and prophethood  and as a consequence, branding those who did not believe in him to be outside the pale of his Islam.
The Qadiyani view of their relationship with Muslims was well summarised by their second caliph, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad:
"Our worship has been separated from the non Ahmadis, we are prohibited from giving our daughters (in marriage) to them and we have been stopped from offering prayers for their dead. What then left that we can do together? There are two kinds of ties: one religious the other mundane. The greatest expression of the religious bond is in common worship and in matters mundane, these are the ties of family and marriage. But then both are forbidden (haram) to us. If you say that we are permitted to take their daughter (in marriage), then I would reply that we are allowed to marry the daughters of Christians as well.
In 1935 that Sir Mohammad Iqbal, a poet philosopher asked the British Government to declare the Qadiyanis as separate community just as they done with the Sikhs. Sir Iqbal said, "the Qadiyanis while pursuing a policy of separation in religion and social matters", however, anxious to remain politically with the fold. The Qadiyanis will never take initiative for separation, argued Sir Iqbal because their small number (56,000) according to 1931 census would not entitle them even to a single seat in  any legislature. The Qadiyanis asked the British Government that, ‘our rights too should be recognised like those of Parsees and Christians reported (Al Fadhi 13th November 1946).
It was common knowledge that Jalaluddin Qamar, the Ahmedyah Missionary of Rabwah had been serving in Israel since 1956 when Ch. Muhammad Sharif was called back to Pakistan from Israel. All Qadiyani missionaries who had been formerly posted in Israel since 1928 namely J.D Shams, Allah Dita Jalundhari, Rashid Ahmed Chaughtai, Noor Ahmad and Ch. Sharif lived in Rabwah after serving in Israel. Their families had mysterious contact channels when they were in Israel , wrote Bashir Ahmad in "Ahmadiyah Movement: British Jewish Connection".
As far as Jewish help and support is concerned, Mirza Mubarak Ahmad, grandson of the Qadiyani prophet has himself acknowledged in his book "OUR FOREIGN MISSIONS"
(Writer Dr Shahid Qureshi is senior award wining investigative journalist and writer on security, foreign policy, and terrorism based in London)



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[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Fw: Fwd: Why 300 Pak Women Serving in Israeli Army



When morons are going for more purer form of Islam, some of the current dedicated Wahabis would be considered as non-Muslims soon or later. To some people, Shias have already become non-Muslims. According to all criteria, only ISIL cadres are probably practicing the real Islam? It is a pure comedy!




On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:

I believe Qadiyanis or members of the Ahmedia community have been declared non-Muslims in Pakistan. There were reports of many brutal attacks on the Ahmedies by Sunni Muslims there. Yet, Pakistan had great many talents belonging to this community. Prominent among them were former Foreign Minister Chwdhury Muhammad Jaffarullah Khan, former Chairman of Planning Commission M M Ahmed, the father of Pakistan's atomic project Adbul Qadeer Khan.  I understand, Bangladesh also has a small Ahmedia community in Brahmanbaria and Comilla. 


Pakistan's official policy towards this sect may have forced its members to emigrate to the West and Israel. Obviously, most of them are no more Pakistanis, if they have been naturalized in their host countries. A few years back, I saw the picture of a fantastic modern Ahamedia City in south Israel, which imply of a special privilege enjoyed by this group in Israel, which otherwise is so security conscious


Therefore, Israeli military having members--men and women-- of Ahmedia community in its fold is not surprising. But they cannot be called "Pakistanis," as they no more belong to Pakistan. And, acknowledging the communities suffering in Pakistan, the opposition of this group to Pakistan is also natural.  


To me, Pakistan had been, and still is, on wrong track in many ways. It's treatment of the Ahmedias in one. 


   




From: 'javed helali' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:20 PM
To: Bfc; Taj Hashmi; Khurshid Alam; SYED AHMED; pfc-friends@googlegroups.com; pfc1966@googlegroups.com
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Subject: {PFC-Friends} Fw: Fwd: Why 300 Pak Women Serving in Israeli Army
 
I had no idea. did u guys ??
 



                                 Why 300 Pak Women Serving in Israeli Army 
CorporateAmbassador Monitoring Report: More Qadiyanis serve in the Israeli Armed Forces than Pakistan according to a book "Israel: A Profile", by a ...

Corporate Ambassador focuses on the coverage of issues relating to corporate sector, economy, finance, stock markets, diplomatic events/interviews, showbiz, art, culture, organised crimes and politics.

Why 300 Pakistani women serving in Israel's army

CorporateAmbassador Monitoring Report: More Qadiyanis serve in the Israeli Armed Forces than Pakistan according to a book "Israel: A Profile", by a renowned Jewish Professor, I.T Naomi. He stated: "600 Ahmadi sect people from Pakistan are working in Israeli army. About 300 are young Pakistani Qadiyani girls and 300 are men, serving in the Israeli army. To many analysts, Qadiaynis are a political issue and have always been a security threat for Pakistan. In India, Qadiyanis have collected and donated thousands to the Indian Army fund after Kargil.
Now the question is after 20 years where are these officers? How far up have they gone? What is their current status in the armed forces and intelligence agencies? Qadiyanis were created for political reasons and also to confuse the Muslims especially on the matter of "jihad", said a senior analyst, reports The London Post.
"Give peace to the Ahmadis if you want peace in Karachi", in 1995 a very senior Qadiyani leader said to me while sitting in one of his fully licensed restaurant at Wilmslow Road, Manchester. It was the time when Benazir Bhutto's government was doing "operation clean up" in Karachi under interior minister Naseerullah Babar.
On 15th February 1987, Pakistani Foreign Minister Sahibzada Yakub Khan declared in the National Assembly that there were 328 Qadiyani officers of different ranks in the Pakistan Armed Forces. According to his report 1, Lt. General, 5 Brigadiers in the army and 1 similar rank in the Air Force = 6, Colonial 10 Army, 2 Navy, 3 Air Force= 15, Lt. Colonials 56 Army, 6 Navy, 11 Air Force = 73, Major 135 Army, 5 Navy, 16 Air Force = 156, Captain 58 Army, 5 Navy, 14 Air Force = 77,  Total 328.
Tariq Aziz reportedly Qadiyani relative of Rehman Malik and former president Musharaf's National Security Advisor, has been hired for the "track two diplomacy with India". His rank and salary was equivalent to a federal minister.
Impact magazine wrote: "The National Assembly (in 1974) would go to remove a long standing but an unnecessary anomaly. The decision would serve only to formalise the defacto even de jure position. The problem had arisen not because the Muslims in some fit of orthodoxy or fanaticism wanted to "excommunicate" any group of people. Its origin, on the other hand, lay in the assumption by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadiyan of Messiahship, and prophethood  and as a consequence, branding those who did not believe in him to be outside the pale of his Islam.
The Qadiyani view of their relationship with Muslims was well summarised by their second caliph, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad:
"Our worship has been separated from the non Ahmadis, we are prohibited from giving our daughters (in marriage) to them and we have been stopped from offering prayers for their dead. What then left that we can do together? There are two kinds of ties: one religious the other mundane. The greatest expression of the religious bond is in common worship and in matters mundane, these are the ties of family and marriage. But then both are forbidden (haram) to us. If you say that we are permitted to take their daughter (in marriage), then I would reply that we are allowed to marry the daughters of Christians as well.
In 1935 that Sir Mohammad Iqbal, a poet philosopher asked the British Government to declare the Qadiyanis as separate community just as they done with the Sikhs. Sir Iqbal said, "the Qadiyanis while pursuing a policy of separation in religion and social matters", however, anxious to remain politically with the fold. The Qadiyanis will never take initiative for separation, argued Sir Iqbal because their small number (56,000) according to 1931 census would not entitle them even to a single seat in  any legislature. The Qadiyanis asked the British Government that, ‘our rights too should be recognised like those of Parsees and Christians reported (Al Fadhi 13th November 1946).
It was common knowledge that Jalaluddin Qamar, the Ahmedyah Missionary of Rabwah had been serving in Israel since 1956 when Ch. Muhammad Sharif was called back to Pakistan from Israel. All Qadiyani missionaries who had been formerly posted in Israel since 1928 namely J.D Shams, Allah Dita Jalundhari, Rashid Ahmed Chaughtai, Noor Ahmad and Ch. Sharif lived in Rabwah after serving in Israel. Their families had mysterious contact channels when they were in Israel , wrote Bashir Ahmad in "Ahmadiyah Movement: British Jewish Connection".
As far as Jewish help and support is concerned, Mirza Mubarak Ahmad, grandson of the Qadiyani prophet has himself acknowledged in his book "OUR FOREIGN MISSIONS"
(Writer Dr Shahid Qureshi is senior award wining investigative journalist and writer on security, foreign policy, and terrorism based in London)



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[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} SAARC is a joke! Give it a different name and drop Pakistan!



KAC ,
A lingow worshiper and bottom feeder like you would know about ass biz more than anybody else. you r Also breath fart for oxygen and nuetruent, that's why you can't away those topics. Most people moved on. I bet , A year from now you will be still dewelling on.

I am moving on.



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Subject: RE: {PFC-Friends} SAARC is a joke! Give it a different name and drop Pakistan!
Sent: Sun, Oct 2, 2016 11:36:28 PM

Dear Asghar Mullah,

 

I never said you are a "Homo" but guy (Othithee) who brought this "Ass" issue should answer your question! You might ask him why he is so fond of Ass! 

 

KAC

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:22 PM
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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} SAARC is a joke! Give it a different name and drop Pakistan!

 

 

Thank you, sir.

 

But it is known to many that Mullahs love to have sex with young boys. The blind Egyptian cleric Kisk says that those Muslim

men who enter heaven and love to have sex with young and perpetually fresh boys have perpetual erection to remain stuck

with boys as do the dogs!

 

Do you think I am one of them?

 

No Sir. I am straight and since I am not a candidate to enter heaven, I will never practice homosexuality on earth!!

 

Perhaps, our "Othithee" loves "asses" We need to have him confirm his sexual orientation!!

 

 

MA

 

 

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Sent: Sun, Oct 2, 2016 3:59 pm
Subject: RE: {PFC-Friends} SAARC is a joke! Give it a different name and drop Pakistan!

Dear Mullah Asghar,

 

You know that "ass" is most favorite to a Homosexual only. So, rest is clear to you, I hope!

 

 

KAC

 

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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 10:58 AM
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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} SAARC is a joke! Give it a different name and drop Pakistan!

 

 

Thank you, sir!

 

 

Othithee (a male or a female or a eunuch) says I am a smart ass, and you are saying Allah will give me star marks!?

 

You know, Sir, who talks about "ass"?

 

 

MA

 

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Sun, Oct 2, 2016 5:12 am
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Mr. Asghar,

 

You have given 'A grade' answer to my question. You will get star marks from Allah (SWT) for clear understanding of Koran because Allah has made it so easy to understand. Massaallah!!!

 

KAC

 

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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} SAARC is a joke! Give it a different name and drop Pakistan!

 

 

 

"Those Jihadists (ISIS) in Syria are also doing the same??? What do you say Mr. Asghar? "

 

Thank you, Sir, for your question!

 

In my humble opinion, what those Jihadist ISIS members are doing is the true and correct practice of Islam. And those Muslims

who are opposing them are not Muslims at all!

 

-MA

 

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2016 6:35 am
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"In Islam, it is still valid and no Muslim is willing to admit it openly. Do you know what the Quran says about slavery and do you know that the Prophet of

Islam, who was a "Mercy" for the entire mankind, owned many slaves and had sex with them?"

 

Dear Mr. Asghar:

 

Are you talking about the following Koranic verses of pleasures of Mumin Musalmans? Here are some rewards from Allah:

 

QURAN - 70:22-30:  "Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."

 

QURAN - 23:5,6:

 

"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."

Again, Muslim men were allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls.

 

QURAN - 4:24:

"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).

 

QURAN - 33:50:

 

"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."

 

 

 

Now, we know why those Saudi Mumeens are doing some "handy works" with those so called "Maids"—brought from most Muslims poor nations including Bangladesh. Saudis are pure Mumeens and they are bound to follow the paths of pure Muslims! Those Jihadists (ISIS) in Syria are also doing the same??? What do you say Mr. Asghar?

 

Masaallah!!!

 

 

KAC

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have made a good attempt at explaining what is "white noise," but I could not understand much of it. Perhaps, I don't have the level of intelligence

that you require to understand your statistical theory on white noise!

 

Water does not have its own color. So why don't you give us your theory on "water noise." Perhaps, we can learn something from you to better our

miserable lives!

 

What you have said about Hurs and Lingo puja is a rambling. In it, you have also mentioned about slavery and said the Jews and others also legitimize

sex with slaves. But you are not aware that many civilized societies have banned slavery a long time ago!

 

In Islam, it is still valid and no Muslim is willing to admit it openly. Do you know what the Quran says about slavery and do you know that the Prophet of

Islam, who was a "Mercy" for the entire mankind, owned many slaves and had sex with them?

 

How old are you? I am just curious!!

 

 

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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} SAARC is a joke! Give it a different name and drop Pakistan!

White noise has different defination for different discipline , though underlying principle is same.

For a moment, think 'White' as " all strength or value or probability" ( white color has all colors of same strength). Noise as outcome ( wether it has sensible meaning or not in the context).

White noise , Statistically speaking, probability of occurrence of each and every elements of interest are same. Now , think , if all letters from English alphabet has a same probability in a word/spelling, in other words all 26 letters in one word, it willmakes it a gibberish/ noise.But all 26 letters form the basis ( complete background or white noise) of writing English words.

In sound, if all pitches have same volume. , results is a noise almost if a bullet being fired. Amar Bose, the founder of Bose systems, first came up idea of using bullet sound as source of 'white noise' for testing fidelity of audio system and patented it. Volume of all audible pitches in bullet sound are extremely close for human ear to detect the discrepancy in volumes. Today, all audio electronics and symphony halls uses this sound for testing out its audio fidelity for different pitches. In a ideal hall , echo of bullet will sound exactly ,like ,when it was fired, in reality 80% or better is considered great.

white canvas in a painting or photography is ideal 'white noise' background , here; like sound of bullet is a great 'white noise' background for audio designing context. But hail of bullets during a music consert is just undesirable noise. (Like wise a white screen for blocking is not a white noise background in painting or photography.)

In pattern reconization, purpose of white noise is completely different. Think of fog as white noise. Extremely dense fog is close to perfect white noise. If you filter white color from the view, that might also remove the white color from any object in the fog , if the object has mostly have white color, little to no chance of discerning it. If fog is half as dense then filtering to about 50% of the above strength ( opaque) will have more success with the same object.

In the above visual scenario, different degree of opaqueness can be considered different white noise models , in this context.


In the case fog/pattern, filtering out white noise is the objective. Where as, in earlier scenarios, white noise background is used partially at a time ; like using few letters from English alphabets for a legitimate English words.

I know, in or two reads,' white noise 'for those who never had to work with it may find it hard to grasp all the purpose, enventually will.

Back to Hur and shiv lingo pujas. Those are giving bad taste in people's mouth. Most people moved on from that topic. Now it can only play into the hands of extremist in both religious groups. It is not just Islam or Hindu, even Jews. And Christian legitimize sex slaves. Holy books are redict documents, those many sources. One fact that most people ignore those outrages topics written many decades after the deaths of respective prophets. I will not be supprised some prophets had no idea what was written their name. Most people ignore the stuff in their daily practice. Only extremist refers it. nazi didn't treat hew any better. Dr Mengke inject blue dye and dissect their eyes while they were awake . These are not joking matters. Why put gasoline in fire.

 


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Sent: Fri, Sep 30, 2016 1:53:21 AM

 

 

Experience in the field is much more valuable than "conjectural" knowledge imparted in colleges and universities. You have done

well by opting for field experience that made you a better statistician. Your knowledge in this field is much superior to many others!

 

Congratulations!

 

By the way, what is "white noise modeling"? Never heard of it before.

 

Please explain. Thanks.  

 

 

 

 

 

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I didn't go to graduate school. My work experiences are in field theory, computing and white noise modeling using some principles of statistics and spectral analysis.

 


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Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 9:55:16 PM

 

 

My statistics : Not even one percent Muslims would like to live in the Middle East, US, Europe of Australia because 75% Hindus

would be too much for them to handle their propaganda against Islam!!

 

Which university have you obtained your doctorate on Statistics from?  

 

 

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Now you have statics which I cannot refute. My statics, 75 % of Hindu would like to live in Middle East , US, Europe or Australia when they learn about those places. I don't if that make them lesser Indian or Hindu.

 


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Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 8:42:39 PM

 

 

 

" I have to say many people same same gut feeling of religions; but in US, this considered bigotry."

 

Can you give me an statistics on how many people "same same" and how many in US consider it bigotry?

 

 

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For a moment I thought it was scientific fact that you are convinced of. And the first time any heard of correlation between hypocrisy with any particular religion. For gauging correlation statistics a must.

If it is from gut feeling, then I have to say many people same same gut feeling of religions; but in US, this considered bigotry.

 

 

 

You love to argue - unnecessarily without understanding what others have said. This is one of the traits of we Bengalis!

 

When I have used the word "most," you should have realized that this cannot be quantified with an statistics. Yet you

have asked for it!

 

To be candid, if anyone believes that following the Quran in its entirety makes one a Muslim, then hear from me - there

is not a single Muslim on earth today. Now, don't ask me to 'quantify" the number - no one knows the exact number of

humans inhabiting on earth today!

 

 I do not know how many humans are living in the skies. If you will want to know their number - then ask Allah!!

 

 

 

 

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Do you have statistics to back your claim.

 

 

 

"Hypocrite" is the other name of most of the Muslims!!

 

 

 

 

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The love for the Pakis never really vanished even after four decades? I am not surprised seeing the same people supporting the war criminals of 71 but got no shame to claim that they really fought for Bangladeshi independence. Question is where and what front? And, for whom?

According to our neo-Pakis, US and UK are considered the super terrorist states of the world because they have been bombing Pak-stan to wipe out terrorists including captain Osama and many other thousand 'innocent' non-state actors. Yet, our poor Paki lovers would not mind to settle in those countries and earn their daily bread? If that is not enough, the same Mumeens are bringing their whole family including grandmas and grandpas to these lands of  infidels for oxygenated air and civility?. I am sure these people love Islamic fairness and democracy? But, do they exist anywhere in this word in any Mummeen country?

  

 

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:11 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:

A few more to add to your wonderful list, Mr. Rashed Anam:

 

The India who stole all the sophisticated weapons and armaments left by 5 plus Divisions of Pakistan from Bangladesh in 1971 is surely not a thuggish and thieving country.  

The India who annexed Sikkim is surely not an aggressor county.
The India who snatched South Talpatti from Bangladesh maritime territory is surely not a hegemonic country. 

The India who uses Bangladesh virtually free for connectivity to its Seven Sisters is surely not an aggressive and encroaching country on neighbor's sovereignty. 

 

The list is never ending...


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Hmm..  

The India who kills us every day at the border  is surely not the Terrorist Country! 

The India who trains and arms Terrorists Shanti Bahini against Bangladesh is surely not the terrorists country. 

The India who has been killing Kashmiri Civilians is surely not the terrorist country

The India who has killed our 57-army officers is surely not the terrorist country

The India who has hijacked out rivers by force, build dams by force, diverted 54 rivers violating international water laws surely not the Imperial  country

The India who hijacked our democracy and install vote-less puppet govt surely not the terrorists coutnry

The India who kills its own Muslims, in Gujrat, in Babri, in Ahmedabad, in Mumbai, even for eating beef is surely not communal racist country 

The India who had imposed economic blockade on earth-quake-devastated Nepal is surely not the bully imperial country ! 

 

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

India is basically the SAARC or whatever you want to call it. If you do not like India's national interests, you can form your own if you wish. Nothing prevents you from doing that! Pakistan has become a hub of global terrorism. If it wants to terrorize others, it definitely deserves to be boycotted and boxed. India got the stronger card and it will play it for its advantage. There is no free lunch for any country as we have learned from uncle Sam and cold war.  If Pakistanis want to be more Arab or Chinese like, they should be forming trading block with Middle-eastern countries and China/North Korea. India should just cut off Pakistanis from entering India for any business including trade, cricket and cultural exchanges. Let see how long all weather friend, China would keep it bailing out from bankruptcy?

India should form a trading block with like minded countries and scrap this non-functioning crap with Pakistan. If Jamatis and BNP ever come to the power in Bangladesh, they will have the chance to revive the old SAARC again if they really please. But for now, Pakistan is out of the club and has been gradually becoming a pariah state in the subcontinent. Its only option is to join the ISIL caliphate and prosper in terror games before Uncle Sam gets in its case.

 

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com> wrote:

SAARC has been made a laughing stock  and woes of the millions and millions of people in the region and a white elephant for the poverty/war stricken south East Asia.

The poor people of the region  helplessly stares that how their Tax money is being spent  lavishly by the hypocrite leaders to make fake speech of promises and praising each other.

I remember at the 1st summit Rajib Gandhi was very skeptical about the efficacy of then dream august forum as he felt that it will be difficult for SAARC to move unless everyone make sacrifice for the other for common benefit.

But it was INDIA who refused to bring the bilateral issues to be subject of discussion in the forum. By thus the forum got the first jolt and lost it's characteristics as a regional forum and became a paper tiger/tigress ?????????????

Let's stop the foul play and stop squandering the money of the poor..

 

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Story of Awami League ______________একটি "ভারত" রচনা______________ : ভারত একটি উপকারী দেশ ভারতের একজন রাষ্ট্রপতি, একজন প্রধানমন্ত্রী, একশ কোটি মানুষ, কিছু ক্রিকেটার এবং অনেকগুলো নায়ক-নায়িকা আছে ভারত ক্রিকেট খেলে এবং সিনেমা দেখিয়ে জীবন ধারণ করে ভারত আমাদের অনেক কাজে লাগে ভারত আমাদের কোরবানীর জন্য গরু, বিপিএলের জন্য নায়িকা, সর্দি-কাশির জন্য ফেন্সিডিল, ঝিম মেরে বসে থাকার জন্য ইয়াবা এবং মন্ত্রীপরিষদের জন্য মন্ত্রী সরবরাহ করে সীমান্তে গুল্লি মেরে ভারত আমাদের জনসংখ্যা নিয়ন্ত্রণেও সাহায্য করে, তাতে আমাদের আইন-শৃঙ্খলারও উন্নতি হয় ভারত বাংলাদেশকে নিজেরই মনে করে একটি দিনও আমরা ভারত ছাড়া বাঁচতে পারি না.....! ভারত আমাদের বন্ধু দেশ (ঈষৎ সংশোধিত সংযোজিত) . . Courtesy: Ajanta Islam & Sadiya sharmin mim

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

Pakistan has better chance to get along with its chaotic Arab neighbors?


http://www.thedailystar.net/fr ontpage/islamabad-saarc-summit -set-be-postponed-1290922

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