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Thursday, October 25, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] FW: [Secular Perspective] Faith versus Sanitation ISP III Oct 2012



Dr. Das is right, a good sanitary house is like a temple. Some religious people have lost their thinking abilities; they cannot tolerate any criticism of their religion or religious institutions. You can scold them as much as you like, they will tolerate it, but - whenever you say something against their religion or religious institution, they are up in arms to fight.

I totally agree with the Indian Minister who suggested building more sanitary facilities, not temples. It is also true that - foreign funds were available from middle-east to build huge mosques in Gujrat after the riot, but houses there forever remained small. What a fallacy!

Jiten Roy
--- On Thu, 10/25/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: [Secular Perspective] Faith versus Sanitation ISP III Oct 2012
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012, 12:28 AM

 
Every house becomes a temple with proper sanitation facility.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
         Although Bangladesh has a considerably better record in the matter of rural sanitation than India it is far from being ideal.  Masjids have proliferated all over the country at an alarming rate without any viible need for such a vast number of them.  If ever we had a minister who would pit "masjid v. toilet" he or she would be eaten alive by the cannibalistic Jamaat/hijbut Tahrir type.

      Prof. Ram Puniyani writes:

<< Most fundamentalist politics is revolving around Temple (Mosque and Church), while the hunger pangs, basic necessities and violation of human rights of weaker section are being bypassed. On the side of temple are the practitioners of politics in the name of religion. On the side of Toilet, provisions for social living are the ones' who are denied this basic survival thing in daily life or those who give primacy to these. There is bit of mix up also. >>


Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:09:57 +0530
Subject: [Secular Perspective] Faith versus Sanitation ISP III Oct 2012


Faith versus Sanitation
Jairam Ramesh's remarks on Temple, Toilets
 

Ram Puniyani

 

The Union Rural development Minister's remark that "toilets are more important than temples" (October 2012) was met with diverse responses. Ramesh was speaking at a launch of campaign to sensitize people about the ill effects of open defecation, a practice very common in rural areas and city slums, where sanitation facilities are poor or non-existent. Ramesh said that open defecation was the main reason for the hygiene related problems and that there are more temples than toilets in the country.

 

The BJP and friends immediately pounced on the minister saying that he is insulting their faith.  While BJP's associates VHP and Bajrang dal took to strong condemnation of Ramesh, demanded an apology from him and launched protests. One case has also been registered against the minister for insulting the faith. Congress spokesman, in order to play safe said that Congress respects all religions. The only support the minister could get was from the NGO Sulabh International, the NGO which has initiated a chain of public toilets in places where they are most needed.  

 

What a shame that the basic point Ramesh is making is undermined by most and is being taken as an insult to Hindu religion. Surely he is talking of the holy places which have been the center of attention for spending money for their construction and upkeep while the core social issue is being undermined.  Temple here is a metaphor for the holy places, where people go for worship and associate it with their identity. Being in India the dominant number of temples is very obvious. The UN data shows the gross inadequacy of our sanitation facilities. While our sanitation system suffers from gross neglect, during last few decades many grander temples have come up along with the other small ones also. Even the affluent NRIs have also donated heavily for these temples. One should also notice here that even when Pundit Nehru, when he underlined the importance of dams, industries and modern education, he also used the word temple, saying that these are the temples of Modern India.

 

One should register that when the holy Hindu practices are done in the state functions, breaking of coconut, lighting the lamp, the BJP and company and many others take it as a routine. Now but when the word temple is generalized to draw the attention of deeper social issue, their protest and hysterical reaction, their defense of 'faith' is deafening! One concedes that as such also during last few decades many a Muslims making living in the gulf countries have been remitting money home for Mosques. During the relief work of Gujarat carnage victims, when the Modi Government stopped the rehabilitation work for the victims, the Muslims' conservative organizations continued the relief work. In the colonies which they got constructed for the violence victims, the Mosques are big and grand while the houses are small.  

 

The core issue is related to social concerns of poor versus the identity based concerns in general. In independent India, thanks to the uncompromising values of Nehru, he could ward off the pressures of conservative sections to get Somnath temple repaired from state coffers. He also advised the President of India not to inaugurate the Somnath temple. His focus was on the basic issues of bread-butter, shelter, employment. Even at that time the previous avatar of BJP, Jan Sangh was talking of identity based issues related to protection of Mother Cow. This dichotomy, as to which type of issue is more important has been an age old one. Lord Gautama Buddha while opposing the caste system, focused that the central concerns are related to life in this world, 'the other' world around which identity is constructed, Brahma etc. are not his concern. Dr. Ambedkar pointed out that Buddha's teachings were the major revolution in India, whereby the low caste could come out from the grip of Brahminical exploitation and identity issues. This revolution of Lord Buddha was met with the counter revolution led by Shankaracharya, as per whom this world is Mythya (illusion) and one should focus on the real truth in the form of Brahma.

 

In medieval times the saints of bhakti tradition in particular, like Kabir Tukaram, Dadu, Paltu, Pipa all drew our attention to the plight of people of the world, while clergy called for importance of rituals, holy places and the wrath of God, if people don't follow their dictates about the identity related concerns. Sufis and Liberation theologians also talked about people's issues and showed the path of love. Kabir at one point compares the grinding stone (chakki) and the idol of God. For him the grinding stone is more important than the idol of the Lord as grinding stone helps people to grind the grains and satisfy their hunger. During most of the social transformations when average people, poor come up to rebel, their issues are related to bread, while those opposed to social change harp on the identity related temples and mosque. During freedom movement, while National movement was talking about the values of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity so that people's problems can be solved the communal organizations, standing for status quo, Muslim League and Hindu Mahasabha-RSS were taking the cover of their respective religions and keeping aloof from freedom movement for preserving their privileges under the garb of their religion.

 

Post Independence we see that the ideologies of status quo, have been taking up defense of Holy cow, and later India politics got transformed with the identity related issue of Babri Mosque, opposition to Shah Bano getting maintenance. Later other such issues have been waiting in the wings to oppose the social issues; the ones' like Amarnath yatra, Ram Setu and a list of temples, which need to be built. The politics around temple, identity, issues related to 'other world' are stalking the world. Most fundamentalist politics is revolving around Temple (Mosque and Church), while the hunger pangs, basic necessities and violation of human rights of weaker section are being bypassed. On the side of temple are the practitioners of politics in the name of religion. On the side of Toilet, provisions for social living are the ones' who are denied this basic survival thing in daily life or those who give primacy to these. There is bit of mix up also. Pure agenda may be difficult to come by so there are different degrees of emphasis. While the most radical one's like Bhagat Singh, Ambedkar and their followers will talk of this world and rights, the middle of the road parties will give less emphasis to identity, temple, while the electoral wings of fundamentalist will give primacy to temple and lip service to grinding stone or toilets. In a way the temple-toilet debate is reminiscent of Kabir's grinding mill versus stone-idol debate. Who dare to stand for toilet and who stands for temple, mosque church will tell us their social commitment. Commitment to social change versus aggressive desires to maintain status quo is the issue!  
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[mukto-mona] NYPD paid Shamiur to 'bait' Muslims



Well, Muslims want to fight US monster and in return, the monster fights dirtier! I was wondering who would be the next idiot to get trapped?

-SD


NYPD paid Shamiur to 'bait' Muslims





Shamiur Rahman, a 19-year-old American of Bangladeshi descent who used to work as a paid informant for the New York Police Department's intelligence unit, said he was assigned to "bait" Muslims into saying provocative things.
He had been living a double life. He used to take pictures inside mosques and collect names of those who attended group-study on Islam, Shamiur told the Associate Press during an interview on October 15.
The teenager now regrets his work as an informant, as police told him to embrace a strategy called "create and capture".
He said the strategy involved starting conversations on jihad or terrorism with a person and recording the response for sending it to the NYPD.
For this, he used to earn as much as $1,000 a month and also goodwill from the police after a string of minor marijuana arrests.
"We need you to pretend as one of them," Shamiur recalled police as saying him. "It's street theatre."
Shamiur said he now believed his work against Muslim New Yorkers as an informant was "detrimental to the constitution".
The time since he had disclosed the details of his work for police to his friends and informed the police that he had been contacted by the AP, he stopped receiving text messages from his NYPD handler "Steve". He found the handler's phone number disconnected.
Shamiur's account shows how the NYPD unleashed informants on Muslim neighbourhoods, often without specific targets or criminal leads. Much of what Shamiur said represents a tactic the NYPD has denied using.
The AP corroborated Shamiur's account through arrest records and weeks of text messages between him and his police handler.
It also reviewed the photos Shamiur had sent to police. His friends confirmed Shamiur was at certain events when he said he was there, and former NYPD officials, while not personally familiar with Shamiur, said the tactics he described were used by informants.
Informants like Shamiur are a central component of the NYPD's wide-ranging programmes to monitor life in Muslim neighbourhoods since the 2001 terrorist attacks. Police officers have eavesdropped inside Muslim businesses, trained video cameras on mosques and collected licence plates of worshippers. Informants who trawl the mosques -- known informally as "mosque crawlers" -- tell police what the imam says at sermons and provide police lists of attendees, even when there's no evidence they committed a crime.
The programmes were allegedly built with unprecedented help from the CIA.
Police recruited Shamiur in late January, after his third arrest on misdemeanour drug charges, which Rahman believed would lead to serious legal consequences.
An NYPD plainclothes officer approached him in a Queens jail and asked whether he wanted to turn his life around.
The next month, Shamiur said, he was on the NYPD's payroll.
NYPD spokesman Paul Browne did not immediately return a message seeking comment on Tuesday. He has denied widespread NYPD spying, saying police only follow leads.
In the interview, Shamiur said he received little training and spied on "everything and anyone."
He took pictures inside the many mosques he visited and eavesdropped on imams. By his own measure, he said he was very good at his job and his handler never once told him he was collecting too much, no matter whom he was spying on.


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[mukto-mona] FW: THE SAUDI DYNASTY



           The story told here rings true because it corroborates other circumstantial evidences. I have done some research on Ibn Wahhab and his rise in 1740-44 and his arrival in Nejd after he was thrown out of his own province.   Bangladeshi Muslims are forbidden to learn about this ignominious background of the crooks who reign in the land of Arabia.  Who but a bunch of brutal pretenders would name the country (with the Holiest places in Islam) after their own family name?  Now they've built that hideous Mecca Clock Tower that physically and visually belittles the Kaba Sharif!  I cannot think of any bigger insult to the world's Muslims!

<< They have named the whole Arabian Peninsula after their family name (SAUDI ARABIA) as if the whole region is their own personal real estate, and that all other inhabitants are their mere servants or slaves, toiling day and night for the pleasure of their masters (THE SAUDI FAMILY). >>


Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:30:36 +0100
Subject: THE SAUDI DYNASTY



THE SAUDI DYNASTY: 
IT'S ORIGIN AND WHO IS THE REAL ANCESTOR OF THIS 'ROYAL' FAMILY? / familytree

 

 

RESEARCH AND PRESENTATION OF MOHAMMAD SAKHER who was ordered killed by the Saudi Regime for the following findings:

 

1. Are the Saudi Family members belonging to the Tribe of ANZA BEN WA'EL as they allege to be?
2. Is Islam their actual religion?
3. Are they of an ARAB ORIGIN at all?

In the year 851 A.H. a group of men from AL MASALEEKH CLAN, which was a branch of ANZA Tribe, formed a caravan for buying cereals (wheat and corn) and other food stuff from IRAQ, and transporting it back to NAJD. The head of that group was a man called SAHMI BIN HATHLOOL. The caravan reached BASRA, where the members of the group went to a cereal merchant who was a Jew, Called MORDAKHAI BIN IBRAHIM BIN MOSHE'.

During their bargaining with that merchant, the Jew asked them : "Where are you from?" They answered: "From ANZA TRIBE; a clan of AL MASALEEKH." Upon hearing that name, the Jew started to hug so affectionately each one of them saying that he, himself, was also from the clan of AL MASALEEKH, but he had come to reside in BASRA (IRAQ) in consequence to a family feud between his father and some members of ANZA Tribe.

After he recounted to them his fabricated narrative, he ordered his servants to load all the camels of the clan's members with wheat, dates and tamman; a remarkable deed so generous that astonished the MASALEEKH men and aroused their pride to find such an affectionate (cousin) in IRAQ- the source of their sustenance; they believed each word he said , and , because he was a rich merchant of the food commodities which they were badly in need, they liked him (even though he was a Jew concealed under the garb of an Arab from AL MASALEEKH clan).

When the caravan was ready to depart returning to NAJD, that Jewish Merchant asked them to accept his company, because he intended to go with them to his original homeland, NAJD. Upon hearing that from him, they wholeheartedly welcomed him with a very cheerful attitude.

So that (concealed) Jew reached NAJD with the caravan. In NAJD, he started to promulgate a lot of propaganda for himself through his companions (his alleged cousins), a fact, which gathered around him a considerable number of new supporters; but, unexpectedly, he confronted a campaign of opposition to his views led by SHEIKH SALEH SALMAN ABDULLA AL TAMIMI, who was a Muslim religious preacher in AL-QASEEM. The radius of his preaching area included Najd, Yemen, and Hijaz, a fact which compelled the Jew (the Ancestor of the present SAUDI FAMILY to depart from AL QASEEM to AL IHSA, where he changed his name (MORDAKHAI) To MARKHAN BIN IBRAHIM MUSA. Then he changed the location of his residence and settled at a place called DIR'IYA near AL-QATEEF, where he started to spread among the inhabitants a fabricated story about the shield of our Prophet MOHAMMAD (p.b.u.h), that it was taken as a booty by an Arab Pagan in consequence of OHOD Battle between the Arab pagans and the Muslems. "That shield, he said, was sold by the Arab Pagan to a Jewish Clan called BANU QUNAIQA' who preserved it as a treasure!

He gradually enhanced his position among the Bedouins through such stories which indicated how the Jewish clans in Arabia were so influential and deserved high esteem. He gained some personal importance among the Bedouins, and decided to settle permanently there, at DIR'IYA town, near AL QATEEF, which he decided to be his (Capital) on the Persian Gulf. He aspired to make it his spring board for establishing a Jewish Kingdom in Arabia.

In order to fulfill his ambitious scheme, he started to approach the desert Arab Bedouins for support of his position, them gradually, he declared himself as their king!

At that juncture, AJAMAN Tribe together with BANU KHALED Tribe became fully aware of that Jewish cunning plan after they had verified his true identity, and decided to put an end to him. They attacked his town and conquered it, but before arresting him he had escaped by the skin of his teeth.

That Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY, (MORDAKHAI), sought shelter in a farm called at that time AL-MALIBEED-GHUSAIBA near AL-ARID, which is called at our present time : AL-RIYADH.

He requested the owner of that farm to grant him an asylum. The farmer was so hospitable that he immediately gave him sanctuary. But that Jew (MORDAKHAI), no longer than a month had he stayed there, when he assassinated the land lord and all members of his family, pretending that all were killed by an invading band of thieves. Then he pretended that he had bought that real estate from them before that catastrophe happened to them! Accordingly, he had the right to reside there as a land lord. He then gave a new name to that place: He named it AL-DIRIYA – the same name as that he had lost.

That Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY (MORDAKHAI), was quick to establish a "GUEST HOUSE" called "MADAFFA" on the land he usurped from his victims, and gathered around him a group of hypocrites who started to spread out false propaganda for him that he was a prominent Arab Sheikh. He plotted against Sheikh SALEH SALMAN ABDULLA AL TAMIMI, his original enemy, and caused his assassination in the mosque of the town called (AL-ZALAFI).

After that, he felt satisfied and safe to make (AL-DIRIYA) his permanent home. There he practiced polygamy at a wide scale, and indeed, he begot a lot of children whom he gave pure Arab names.

Eversince his descendants grew up in number and power under the name of SAUDI CLAN, they have followed his steps in practicing under ground activities and conspiracies against the Arab Nation. They illegally seized rural sectors and farm lands, and assassinated every person who tried to oppose their evil plans. They used all kinds of deceit for reaching their goals: they bought the conscience of their dissidents; they offered their women and money to influential people in that area, particularly to those who started to write the true biography of that Jewish Family; they bribed writers of history in order to purify their ignominious history, and make their lineage related to the most prominent Arab Tribes such as RABI'A, ANZA and ALMASALEEKH.

A conspicuous hypocrite in our era whose name is MOHAMMAD AMIN AL TAMIMI- Director/Manager of the contemporary Libraries of the SAUDI KINGDOM, made up a genealogical tree (FAMILY TREE) for this JEWISH FAMILY (THE SAUDIS), connecting them to our Great Prophet, MOHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) For his false work, he received a reward of 35 (THIRTY FIVE) THOUSAND EYPTIAN POUNDS from the then SAUDI AMBASSADOR TO CAIRO, EGYPT, in the year 1362 AH.- 1943 A.D. The name of that Ambassador is : IBRAHIM AL-FADEL.

As aforementioned, the Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY, (MORDAKHAI), practiced polygamy by marrying a lot of Arab women and begot many children; his polygamous practice is, at the present time, being carried out " to the letter" by his descendants; they cling to his marital heritage!

One of MORDAKHAI'S sons called AL-MAQARAN, arabized from the Jewish root (MACK-REN) begot a son called Mohammad, then another son called SAUD, which is the name of the present day SAUDI DYNASTY.

Descendants of SAUD (the present day SAUDI FAMILY )started a campaign of assassination of the prominent leaders of the Arab Tribes under the pretence that those leaders were apostates; renegading from the Islamic Religion, and deserting their Koranic doctrines; so they deserved the SAUDI condemnation and slaughter!

In the History Book of the SAUDI FAMILY pages (98-101), their private family historian declares that the SAUDI DYNASTY considers all the people of NAJD blasphemous; so their blood must be shed, their properties confiscated, and their females be taken as concubines; no muslem is authentic in his /her belief unless he/she belongs (affiliates) to the sect of MOHAMMAD BIN ABDUL WAHAB, (whose origins are also Jewish from TURKEY.) His doctrines give authority to the SAUDI FAMILY to destroy the villages with all their inhabitants-males including children, and to sexually assault their women; stab the bellies of the pregnant, and cut off the hands of their children, then burn them! They are further authorized by such a BRUTAL DOCTRINE to plunder all the properties of whom they call renegades (not following their Wahabi Sect).
Their hideous Jewish Family has, in fact, done all that kind of atrocities in the name of their false religious sect (the Wahabi), which has actually been invented by a Jew so as to sow the seeds of terror in the hearts of people in towns and villages. This Jewish Dynasty has been committing such brutal atrocities eversince 1163 A.H. They have named the whole Arabian Peninsula after their family name (SAUDI ARABIA) as if the whole region is their own personal real estate, and that all other inhabitants are their mere servants or slaves, toiling day and night for the pleasure of their masters (THE SAUDI FAMILY).

They are completely holding the natural wealth of the country as their own property. If any poor person from the common people raises his/her voice complaining against any of the despotic rules of this Jewish Dynasty, (the Dynasty) cuts off his/her head in the public square. A princess of theirs once visited FLORIDA, USA, with her retinue; she rented 90 (NINETY) Suite rooms in a Grand Hotel for about One Million Dollars a night! Can anyone of their subjects comment about that extravagant event If he/she does, his/her fate is quite known: DEATH WITH THE EDGE OF THE SAUDI SWORD IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE!!!!!!


Witnesses on the Jewish Ancestry of this Saudi Family: 
In the 1960′s the "SAWT AL ARAB" Broadcasting Station in Cairo, Egypt, and the YEMEN Broadcasting Station in SANA'A confirmed the Jewish Ancestry of the SAUDI Family.

King FAISAL AL-SAUD at that time could not deny his family's kindred with the JEWS when he declared to the WASHINGTON POST on Sept. 17, 1969 stating: "WE, THE SAUDI FAMILY, are cousins of the Jews: we entirely disagree with any Arab or Muslem Authority which shows any antagonism to the Jews; but we must live together with them in peace. Our country (ARABIA) is the Fountain head from where the first Jew sprang, and his descendants spread out all over the world." That was the declaration of KING FAISAL AL-SAUD BIN ABDUL AZIZ!!!!!

HAFEZ WAHBI, The SAUDI Legal Adviser, mentioned in his book entitled: "THE PENINSULA OF ARABIA" that KING ABDUL AZIZ AL-SAUD, who died in 1953, had said : "Our Message (SAUDI MESSAGE) encountered the opposition of all Arab Tribes; my grandfather, SAUD AWAL, once imprisoned a number of the Sheikhs of MATHEER Tribe; and when another group of the same tribe came to intercede for the release of the prisoners, SAUD AWAL gave orders to his men to cut off the heads of all the prisoners, then, he wanted to humiliate and derogate the interceders by inviting them to eat from a banquet he prepared from the cooked flesh of his victims whose cut off heads he placed on the top of the food platters!! The interceders became so alarmed and declined to eat the flesh of their relatives; and, because of their refusal to eat, he ordered his men to cut off their heads too. That hideous crime was committed by that self imposed king to innocent people whose guilt was their opposition to his most cruel and extremely despotic rules.

HAFEZ WAHBI, states further that King ABDUL AZIZ AL-SAUD related that bloody true story to the Sheikhs of the MATHEER Tribe, who visited him in order to intercede for their prominent leader at that time, FAISAL AL DARWEESH, who was the king's prisoner. He related that story to them in order to prevent them from interceding for the release of their Sheikh; otherwise, they would face the same fate; He killed the Sheikh and used his blood as an ablution liquid for him just before he stood up for his prayer (after the false sect doctrine of the Wahabi); The guilt of FAISAL DARWEESH at that time was that he had criticized King ABDUL AZIZ AL-SAUD when the king signed the document which the English Authorities prepared in 1922 as a declaration for giving PALESTINE to the Jews; his signature was obtained in the conference held at AL AQEER in 1922.

That was and still is the system of this Regime of the JEWISH FAMILY (SAUDI FAMILY): All its goals are : plundering the wealth of the country, robbing, falsifying, and committing all kinds of atrocity, iniquity, and blasphemy-all are executed in compliance with their self invented Wahabi Sect which legalizes the chopping of the heads of their opposing subjects.


Brief synopsis about the leading Saudi figures

King Abdel Aziz:

CONT: 

http://www.datarabia.com/royals/familytree.do 

The Saudi family tree consists of at least six distinct branches that trace their heritage back to an 18th century founder. The "Royal"branch of the family draws its lineage through each generation's leading chieftan within the descendants of Saud, denoted below in blue, through the kingdom's modern founder, Abd al-Aziz.  Only descedandants of this "Royal" line are considered candidates of the throne. The other, non-royal branches of the family are referred to as "Cadet" branches. Abd al-Aziz broke with family tradition by decreeing that leadership would pass among his sons by eldest and most qualified, rather than continue to pass directly from father to son. (Click on the name of any family member below to view his individual family tree.)



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[mukto-mona] Re: [KHABOR] Khaleda Meets Indian High Commissioner Tuesday ....

After all realised Anti Indian sentiment will be no use.
Mr Anwar and gong: Pls comment !
 
 
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Subject: [KHABOR] Khaleda Meets Indian High Commissioner Tuesday ....
 

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Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ



When an empty head pretends intelligence, we have blogger syndrome of Chakrabarty variety.  He does not understand the plight of minority communities in any Muslim dominated country.  (History of Islam across fifteen hundred years is full of subjugation and annihilation of people who do not share their faith.)  He genuinely gets offended when any body blames the philosophy of Islam as the main cause behind it.  He thinks appeasing the offenders is the right way.  Dr. Roy, instead of wondering about him getting clueless by the day, show me a day when he had any clue.  Mr. Guha shares the opinion put forward by Mr. Datta, his straight talking article has more content than the lifelong posting of Mr. Chakrabarty.  It is natural that he would feel offended.

2012/10/22 Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
 

This article reflects writer's emotional outburst over minority situation in Bangladesh. It is true - there are some inflammatory languages and some harsh words towards Muslims, but – it has also pointed out many realities about the plights of minority communities ib Bangladesh.  One can find them only when he/she has the right aptitude for it. He could not sugar-coat the truth due to his emotion. I liked the straight-talks. Most people divert the reality to appease people instead of reporting the reality on the ground.

It is true that Muslims can support other Muslim countries openly without being called as agents of those countries. Many people preach for middle-eastern countries, even though Bangladeshi-Muslims are treated there as Miskins. Hindus cannot preach for India like that without being called RAW agents right away. That's a fact. It is also true that very few ever got punished for atrocities on religious minorities. I haven't heard of anybody ever got unprecedented punishment for talking part in the communal riots. It is true that government becomes bystander when minority communities are under attack. It is true Awami League is infiltrated by many razakars, which may explain why minority situation remains the same even when Awami League comes to power.

How come none of those points caught your attention? Instead, you seemed to be offended by this article because of the term - Urdu is a bustard language. It seems like - you are getting clueless day by day.

Jiten Roy

 

--- On Sun, 10/21/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2012, 12:07 PM


 
It is a badly written article. It is the screaming of a frustrated angry man belonging to a religiously minority section. We should feel sorry for the writer. He does not understand or does not want to understand politics or the workings of the society. His obsession with minority persecution in Bangladesh has made him miss the bigger picture. This low level journalism does not help promote minority cause at all. It rather causes confusion and throws away the baby with dirty water. Also it strengthens the hands of the reactionary forces home and abroad. His description of Urdu as a bastard language is laughable. He sees every perpetrator as a Jihadi ("jongi" if my translation is right)!
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বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ। বহু বছরের সম্প্রীতির ইতিহাস। গত কয়েকদিন পত্রপত্রিকায় ও প্রাইভেট চ্যানেলের টকশোতে এসব শুনতে শুনতে কান একেবারে জ্বালা পালা। বনে বাঘ থাকে। বাঘের সাথে থাকে তার সম্প্রদায়। আবার একই বনে থাকে হরিণ ও তার সম্প্রদায়। পৃথিবীর সবকটি অভয়ারণ্যে এ এক পরি
চিত দৃশ্য। তাই বলে কেউ বলে না বনে বাঘ ও হরিণ সম্প্রীতিতে বসবাস করছে। কারণ বাঘ হরিণ খেয়ে বেঁচে থাকে। বাংলাদেশে মুসলমান ও সং...
খ্যালঘু শ্রেণীর মধ্যে বিরাজ করছে এ জাতীয় সম্প্রীতি। মুসলমানরা সংখ্যালঘুদের খেতে খেতে নিম্ন সংখ্যায় নামিয়ে এনেছে। সরকার পরিচালিত আদম শুমারি এসব তথ্য জানান দিচ্ছে। সামান্য ঠুনকো কারণে বাংলাদেশের জঙ্গি মুসলমানরা সংখ্যালঘুদের বাড়িঘরে হামলা চালায়। আর প্রশাসন থাকে নীরব। সরকার ও বিরোধীরা করে রাজনীতি। সংবাদ ছেপেও কাজের কাজ কিছু হয় না। অত:পর সংখ্যালঘুদের দেশ ত্যাগ। বাংলাদেশের ধর্মীয় সংখ্যালঘু সম্প্রীতির সাথে বসবাস করছে । এ শ্রেণীর কথাবার্তা বাংলাদেশের মতলববাজ মুসলমানরা বলে।

বাংলাদেশের মুসলমানদের সাম্প্রদায়িকতা আমি প্রতিবেশী দেশের বৃহৎ জনগোষ্ঠীর সাম্প্রদায়িকতার সাথে তুলনা করি না। তুলনা করা উচিতও নয়। কিন্তু অনেকে করে। যারা করে তারা না জেনেই করে। বাংলাদেশের মুসলমানদের সাম্প্রদায়িকতা ভিন্ন প্রকৃতির। এটা ভারত এমনকি মোল্লাতন্ত্র পাকিস্তানেও দেখা যায় না। একটি নির্দিষ্ট রাজনৈতিক দলকে ভোট দেবার জন্য সংখ্যালঘুদের ওপর হামলা নির্যাতন করে জঙ্গি মুসলমানরা। গ্রাম কে গ্রাম হিন্দু সম্প্রদায়ের মানুষের ঘরবাড়ি জ্বালিয়ে দেয়া হয়। ২০০১ সালে বাংলাদেশের জাতীয় সংসদ নির্বাচনের পর এলাকা বিশেষ এসব সাম্প্রদায়িক নির্যাতনের ঘটনা ঘটতে দেখা যায়। যা উপমহাদেশে নজিরবিহীন।

কবি বলে ছিলেন এমন দেশটি কোথায়ও খুঁজে পাবে নাকো তুমি……। আসলেই এমন দেশে খুঁজে পাওয়া যাবে না। কুয়েত থেকে বাংলাদেশি শ্রমিকদের পিটিয়ে রক্তাত্ব করে এক কাপড়ে বিমানে উঠিয়ে দেয়া হয়। জঙ্গি ওই মুসলমানরা থাকে প্রতিক্রিয়াহীন। কোন মিছিল প্রতিবাদ নেই। সৌদিতে এক ব্যক্তির খুনের অভিযোগে আট বাংলাদেশি মুসলমানকে হিন্দুদের পশু বলির মত বলি দেয়া হয়। তারপরও জঙ্গি ওই মুসলমান গোষ্ঠী চুপ থাকে। দেশের মা বোনদের তুলে দেয়া হয় মধ্যপ্রাচ্যের শেখদের হারেমে। মুসলমান প্রতিক্রিয়াহীন। গ্রামের বাচ্চা ছেলেদের উটের জকি বানিয়ে মরু ভূমিতে মেরে ফেলা হয়। মুসলমান প্রতিক্রিয়া হীন। অন্যদিকে প্রতিবেশী দেশের সীমান্ত রক্ষী কোন গরুচোরকে গুলি করেছে তা ফলাও করে প্রচার করে। ফেসবুকে ও ব্লগে জিহাদি জোশে লেখা আসতে থাকে। মনে হবে ওই গরুচোরটি ছিলও দেশপ্রেমিক বাংলাদেশি নাগরিক। মুসলমানের হৃদয়ে শুরু হয় রক্তক্ষরণ। ভারতীয় গরু খাওয়া ছেড়ে দিলেই হয়। তাহলেই কেউ গরুপাচার করতে গিয়ে মারা পড়বে না। লক্ষাধিক ভিসা যে দেশ দেয় কি প্রয়োজন কাঁটাতারের বেড়া কেটে অথবা ডিঙ্গিয়ে প্রতিবেশী দেশে ঢোকার? আবার অবৈধ এসব অনুপ্রবেশকারীর পক্ষে মানবিক হতে হবে। না হলে দালাল জাতীয় উপাধি পেতে হবে জঙ্গি মুসলমানদের কাছে।

বাংলাদেশ ২৪ বছর ছিলও পাকিস্তানের শাসনে। তখনকার দিনের রাজনীতি, পত্র পত্রিকা, এদেশের শিক্ষিত মুসলিম শ্রেণীকে সাম্প্রদায়িক শিক্ষায় শিক্ষিত করেছে। এই শিক্ষিত বাংলাদেশি মুসলমানরাই বিহারি মুসলমানদের সাথে কাঁদে কাঁদ মিলিয়ে ১৯৪৭ থেকে ১৯৭১ সালের পূর্ব পর্যন্ত বাংলাদেশের আনাচে কানাচে সংখ্যালঘু নিধনের নেতৃত্ব দিয়েছে। এদের বেশির ভাগ ছিলও মুসলিম লীগ(বর্তমানে বিএনপি) ও জামাত সমর্থক। সাম্প্রদায়িক এই শিক্ষা এমনই এক রূপ নিয়েছিলো যা এদেশের সংস্কৃতি তথা ভাষার ওপর প্রথম আঘাত হানে। উর্দুর মত একটি জারজ ভাষাকে মুসলমানের ভাষা হিসেবে চাপিয়ে দিতে চেয়েছিলও পাকিস্তানের তৎকালীন পাঞ্জাবী শাসক গোষ্ঠী। আজকাল ফেসবুকে বাংলা লেখাকে ইংরেজি বর্ণ দিয়ে যেভাবে লেখা হয়, উর্দু ভাষা হচ্ছে এমন এক প্রকৃতির ভাষা। হিন্দিকে আরবি বর্ণ দিয়ে লেখার রীতিকে উর্দু বলা হয়। এরকম এক হাস্যকর জারজ ভাষা হতো আমাদের রাষ্ট্রভাষা। আর সেটা হতো সেই ইসলামের দোহাই দিয়ে। মুসলমানের মুসলমানিত্বের দোহাই দিয়ে। এখন যেমন মুসলমানিত্ব জাহির করে এদেশের হিন্দু ও বৌদ্ধদের ভারত যাবার হুমকি দেয়া হচ্ছে। আজ ওই একই শক্তি রামুর বৌদ্ধদের প্রতিবেশী ভারত ও মিয়ানমারে চলে যাবার হুমকি দিচ্ছে।

সেই যাই হোক, পাকিস্তান আমলে সাম্প্রদায়িক শিক্ষায় শিক্ষিত ওই বাঙ্গাল জনগোষ্ঠী করত মুসলিম লীগ। বর্তমানে যারা বিএনপি, জাতীয় পার্টি করে। দেশ স্বাধীন হবার পর ৪০ বছর কেটে গেছে। এসব সাম্প্রদায়িক মুসলিমদের সাথে আত্মীয়তা হয়েছে প্রগতিশীল মুসলিম ঘরানার(আওয়ামেলীগ-বামপন্থী)
লোকদের সাথে। যার ফলে দেখা যায় রাজাকারের ঘরে মুক্তিযোদ্ধার সন্তান লালিত পালিত হচ্ছে। আত্মীয়তার সূত্রে মুসলিম-লীগের সাম্প্রদায়িকতা এদেশের সিংহভাগ তরুণ প্রজন্মর মধ্যে সঞ্চারিত হয়েছে। যে কারণে এখন অন্য সম্প্রদায়ের লোক কিছু দিন পর পরই হামলার শিকার হচ্ছে। আর নীরব থাকছে প্রগতিশীল আওয়ামীলীগ সরকার। রামুর ঘটনা সেটাই প্রমাণ করে। বিভিন্ন সূত্রের খবর হচ্ছে সব রাজনৈতিক ঘরানার লোক এক হয়ে সংখ্যালঘু বৌদ্ধদের ওপর হামলা করেছে। অন্যদিকে পুলিশ ও স্থানীয় প্রশাসন ছিলও নিষ্ক্রিয়। কিছুদিন আগে মিয়ানমারের রাখাইন রাজ্যে সাম্প্রদায়িক দাঙ্গা হয়। ওই দাঙ্গার পর চট্টগ্রামের মুসলমানদের মনে ক্ষোভ সঞ্চার হয়। সেই ক্ষোভ পড়ে নিজ দেশে বসবাসকারী বৌদ্ধদের ওপর। তাই সামান্য একটি ঠুনকো অভিযোগের ওপর ভিত্তি করে কক্সবাজারের বৌদ্ধদের ওপর হামলা করে সংখ্যাগুরু জঙ্গি মুসলমানরা। এতে সহায়তা করে স্থানীয় পুলিশ, সরকার ও বিরোধী দলের লোকজন। শত হোক তারও তো মুসলমান। তারা কেনও মুসলমানিত্ব দেখানো থেকে পিছিয়ে যাবে।

উল্লেখ্য, ১৯৭১ সালে ভারতীয় সেনাবাহিনী মুসলিম-লীগ সমর্থিত বাংলাদেশি মুসলমানদের চরম শিক্ষা দেয়। জিন্নাহ টুপি ছেড়ে ওই জঙ্গি মুসলমান ৯৯% মুজিব কোট পড়ে। এরপর মুজিব কোটের অনেকে কালো সানগ্লাস পড়ে। বর্তমানে মুজিব কোট ও সানগ্লাস পড়ে আগের মত সংখ্যালঘুদের ওপর ঝাঁপিয়ে পড়া যায় না। যেমনটা আগে বিহারিদের নিয়ে বাংলাদেশি মুসলমান করতো। পাছে ভয় হয় আবার যদি ভারত এদেশ আক্রমণ করে। তখন কি সাজ সেজে নিজেদের রক্ষা করবে বাংলাদেশি মুসলমান। তাই এবার তারা কৌশল বদল করে। হিন্দু বৌদ্ধদের ধীরে ধীরে খতম করার কৌশল। রাতের আধারে সংখ্যালঘুর মন্দির, বিগ্রহ ভাঙ্গা। চিংড়ি ঘের লুট করা।তাদের জমি জবর দখল করা। তাদের মেয়ে ছেলেদের অপহরণ করা। ইত্যাদি।

তথাকথিত ধর্মনিরপেক্ষ এ সরকার ক্ষমতায় আসার পর চট্টগ্রামের নন্দিরহাটে একটি গুজবকে কেন্দ্র করে পুরো গ্রামের হিন্দু সংখ্যালঘুদের ঘরবাড়ি, দোকানপাট, জ্বালিয়ে দেয়া হলও। ভাংচুর করা হলও ওই এলাকার ছয় সাতটি বৃহৎ মন্দির। দুই তিন দিন ধরে এ হামলা চলে। পুলিশ নীরব দর্শক। এ ঘটনায় কারো শাস্তি হয়েছে বলে জানা যায় না। এর পর সাতক্ষীরার কালীগঞ্জে হুজুরে কেবলা নাটকে নবীর অপমান করা হয়েছে। একটি সাম্প্রদায়িক দৈনিকের জেলা প্রতিনিধির মিথ্যা প্ররোচনায় লোকজন উত্তেজিত হয়ে ওই গ্রামের হিন্দুর সম্প্রদায়ের ঘরবাড়ি ও দোকান পাটে আগুন লাগায়। অথচ নাটকে মুসলমান হিন্দু উভয় সম্প্রদায়ের লোকজন ছিলও। কিন্তু আক্রমণের শিকার হলো হিন্দুরা। এক্ষেত্রেও পুলিশকে নীরব দর্শকের ভূমিকায় দেখা যায়। এ ঘটনায় যারা জড়িত তাদের কারো শাস্তি হয়েছে বলে জানা যায়নি। এরপর দিনাজপুরে মসজিদ নির্মাণকে কেন্দ্র করে একটি গ্রামের সকল হিন্দুদের ঘরবাড়িতে আগুন লাগানো হয়। এ ঘটনারও সুষ্ঠু তদন্ত হয়েছে বলে জানা যায় না। কারো গ্রেফতার বা সাজা হয়েছে বলে জানা যায় না। শুধু খবর আসে মন্ত্রী অথবা ডিসি গিয়েছে। ক্ষতি পূরণ দিয়ে এসব ঘটনার সমাপ্তি টানা হয়। এরপর সব-চুপ চাপ। দৃষ্টান্তমূলক বিচার না হওয়ার কারণে প্রশ্রয় পাচ্ছে মুসলিম জঙ্গিরা। তারা যখন দেখবে এসব ঘটনা করে আনায়েসে পার পাওয়া যাচ্ছে। পুলিশ কিছু করবে না। তখন আগের চেয়ে বেশি উৎসাহ নিয়ে তারা এসব করবে। রামুর ঘটনা হচ্ছে সেই ধারাবাহিকতায়। এখন শোনা যাচ্ছে রামুর ঘটনা নিয়ে তদন্ত হবে। তদন্ত করবে সেই নিস্ক্রিয় মুসলিম পুলিশ। যাদের সহায়তায় হামলা হলো। তারা কীভাবে নিজেদের দোষী বলবে? এরই মধ্যে হাউকোর্ট আবার সুয়োমোটো দিয়েছে মন্দির মসজিদ রক্ষার। বুঝলামনা মসজিদ রক্ষার জন্য কেনো সুয়োমটো দিতে হবে। মসজিদ আক্রান্ত হয়েছে এমনটা শুনিনি। তাছাড়া এই সুয়োমোটোর কি মূল্য আছে? এটি বাস্তবায়ন করবে তো সরকারে সেই নিস্ক্রিয় মুসলমান পুলিশ।

আফগানিস্তানে বামিয়ানের বৌদ্ধ মুর্তি ভেঙ্গে তালেবানরা ছয় মাসের বেশি ক্ষমতায় থাকতে পারেনি। দেখি বাংলাদেশে হাসিনা-খালেদার অনুসারিরা এসব কর্মকাণ্ড করে কতদিন টিকে থাকতে পারে।

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist




People' allegiance should be to the truth and their country! But allegiance to a country should not automatically mean an unconditional allegiance to a governm
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not agree more.


HOWEVER in reality, most of our political "allegiances" are very predictable and often goes against interest of our country and people in it.

Why can't Mr. Guha have same right to show allegiance to Hindu center of origin, India?

>>>>>>>> Having said that, I just read your earlier post and it seems you are contradicted yourself. For Mr. Guha or Mr. Gulam (As long they are Bangladeshis), they HAVE to have their respective countries as "First priority" over any other countries. Similarly when someone migrates to the US, they should be loyal to USA in social and political matters.

Having emotional connection is one thing and having "Allegiance" is another.


A  tormentor belonging to the state has no right to ask any such insulting question to anybody, let alone a minority. 

>>>>>>> Fully agree.

HOWEVER if any person (regardless of their religious identity) is involved in anti-state activities, they should be questioned and persecuted (If found guilty). Despite all of our shortcomings, we are a free country and we should give it a little respect.


Did not Surjo Sen love his country? If he were alive today, he would have been called many different names and eventually be thrown out from his country of origin?

>>>>>>>>>>> Well we have seen many fundamental changes in our political allegiances since liberation.

Also to be fair to all, politics and politicians do evolve respecting the climate around them. For example, Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibor Rahman started as part of the then "Muslim league". His mentor was undoubtedly a leader for the Muslims first. Because that was needed for the time (during 40's). Even Awami League was born as "Awami Muslim league" and during course of time, it changed to address need of people.

I think despite all of our shortcomings (Both Bangladesh and west Bengal), we have some respect for people like Surjo Sen and Titumir (And many undocumented freedom fighters).

Because of "Monatization of modern Bangladeshi politics" most folks were affected adversely. Today (In most cases) money decides our politics not ideologies. And it is a reflection of mainstream people from all faith backgrounds.

If we care to stand up for people of Bangladesh, our politics will refect a positive shift. Today our major political parties do not have "Democracy" inside their political parties (Except Jamat-e-islami). So before we keep pointing fingers and take over the "Victim" position, we have to advocate positive changes with ourselves first then the politics we love/like to support.

It will be a monumental task to change from "Money/power base politics" to "Value based politics". However unless we make some waves towards our "Common values", we cannot expect to see anything good from our political leaders anytime soon.

Even in cyberspace, I see more "Blind love for parties" than value based support. By doing this we are making enemies among between brothers and sisters. So the evolution process has to start from our own little world.

Shalom!
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: bangladesh-progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 9:01 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 
People' allegiance should be to the truth and their country! But allegiance to a country should not automatically mean an unconditional allegiance to a government. A  tormentor belonging to the state has no right to ask any such insulting question to anybody, let alone a minority. Did not Surjo Sen love his country? If he were alive today, he would have been called many different names and eventually be thrown out from his country of origin?
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 
I think we are just arguing over nothing.

First of all, Muslims do NOT show "Allegiance" to Mecca or Median. Rather we show our "Allegiance" to our creator--Allah(SWT). We like to visit Mecca to perform some religious duties and learn from history of those special places.

Similarly, there is nothing wrong if a Bangladeshi Hindu have some affection to India (For religious or other reasons). However his/her allegiance HAVE to be to their respective countries. Same goes for Muslims as well. We do not have an "Islamic Kahlifa" in our times. So there is nothing wrong to have sympathy, emotional or religious connections with certain places outside Bangladesh. However "Allegiance" has to be with Bangladesh.

I know there are some idiots among us (in all faiths) who go overboard to show their love/respect for "Foreign" countries but we have use our God given common sense to have a priority. For me, God, family, country is a good order ( I think US Marines have the same).


American and European Jews do the same thing.

>>>>>>>>> Jews have some affection for the place where they have some history. It is normal as long they don't cross the line. Click here to read what happens when they are caught crossing the line.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17660646

Some more info...

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=566

America is a nation of immigrants and pretty liberal about such things. Still the punishment for having "Allegiance" (AKA treason) during war is death penalty. Most countries of the civilized world have similar policies.

Therefore, If a Bangladeshi Hindu have some affection towards India or America, there is NOTHING wrong with it. However some of them start to work for India/America against Bangladesh, you can call them "Rajakar/Mirjafar" for it. That would be WRONG!

BTW, I have said nothing new. Most of us know these things. Just a reminder to all.


I urge all members to be a little tolerant and respectful of each other. If the educated among us acts like fools, how in God's name we expect illiterate and less educated people to act "Perfectly" all the time? Let us set a good example for everyone and do our little bit for our people. :-)

Shalom!


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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 7:49 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 
Why can't Mr. Guha have same right to show allegiance to Hindu center of origin, India? American and European Jews do the same thing. You can justify your allegiance towards Mecca and Medina but others have no choice but to follow your Islamic dictate? Practice as you preach, bro!

Why terrorist Nadal Hassan can kill his own American colleagues in the name of Islam and be treated like a hero by people like you? Why is that discrimination, bro? Because being a Muslim is so different from being a Hindu, Jew or  Christian?

I do not now whether Mr. Guha is a fan of Modi but I know Osama and Al-Zahihis are the true heroes of millions of Muslims. But you think that is totally OK because they pray with you in the same row?

You do not make good arguments, bro. Look at yourself in the mirror and then judge others!
-SD

  

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
Mr. SD
Not only myself,  billion Muslims pleadge their alligience to Holy Makkah and Holy Madina (except some Athiests who has Islamic name). Donot complicate your view like attaching Pakistan or Israel or other nations with our pleadge to Islams holiest place Makkah and Madinah.   Hindu fundamentalist Narendra's are hero of people like you and Guho's not myself..Shibshena are Guho's favourite party.  Why calling the so called issue of  cleansing minorities from Bangladesh while  pro-Indian Baksalis are in power in Bangladesh ? Why Guho's never protest killing inncocent Bangladeshis by Hayena BSF Force ?
 

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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:30:05 -0400

Brother Mohi,
If you can show your full love and dedication to Mecca, Medina, Pakistan and Muslim ummah, why can't Mr. Guha show some affinity for a country like India? Why should that bother you when people like you are ready to cleanse minorities from their ancestral land? Does he need to be a Jamati or BNP cadre to earn your trust? Who do you consider yourself? You don't own Bangladesh? Do you?

It would be better if you talk to the point. People in the US can burn their own flag if they wish and you as a foreign national are allowed to sing your Islami song as much you want. Why do you think Mr. Guha needs to think and act like you?
-SD

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
Sri Sitangshu,
 
Your love for Mohan Bharot is well known to most Bangladeshis. Mohan Bharot
is your second home make no doubt about it. Can you deny that ?
Did you forget Rohinga muslim killing by Burmese security forces well supported by
Burmese Monks ?
I don't thnk Bangladeshi Buddists supported that killing.
Ramu Tragedy was created by Hasina regime to show to the civilized
World that Hasina is needed to fight the extreamist elements of Bangladesh, therefore
We saw lot of Awamis engaged in tne demonstration before the Ramu Tragedy.
You never protested the recent Murti destruction in Bangladesh, Why ?
Your love  for oppressive/dictatorial Hasina regime is well known to us.
Do you think opporessive Hasina will remain in power indefinitely ?
She has to go, change is coming InshaAllah.
 
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, baaiwdc_comm@yahoogroups.com,  khabor@yahoogroups.com, farida_majid@hotmail.com, shahdeeldar@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:20:29 -0400

 
Hello Mohiuddin: I never expect your support and if you support me sometime, then I must think, I am not in the right path!
 
Can you tell me one thing: When Buddhists were beating Muslims in Burma, you had proposed that all Buddhists need to be sent to Burma from BD. Now you are shedding crocodiles tears for Buddhists and Hindus! For what?
 
I am glad that I am not pro-Pakistan or Iran or BNP, Jamat and I am pro-democracy. India is the largest democracy. Just think this point: will you send your under 18 son (Imaginary) to Pakistan, Iran, BD alone to stay there; but you will send him to London, USA or India; this is not because they are non-Muslims; rather they are democratic and give some respect to all. Look, all those Muslim countries could not produce an Oscar winner AR Rahman; India does, because in democracy you have the ability to grow, not in any religion based country! That is why we will always want BD a democratic country, not a mini Pakistan.
Thank you.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
Very good comment from Ms.Farida Mazid. I support her views not views of Sitanshu's. Sitangshi is pro-Indian and always tries to protect the interest
of his second home India and forgets the interest of his motherland Bangladesh. He never condemned the killing of Banladeshis by Hayena BSF'[s.


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "khabor@yahoogroups.com" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:45:22 -0400

 
          Sitangshu,
                           You're a good activist, but a very lazy analyzer.  This not a time for easy arithmetics. You say you're against 'fundamentalists' but you really end up endorsing their ideas in a covert way.
            Remember 2004 Presidential election time?  There was a Osama bin Laden video that suddenly made an appearance and scared the voters against Islamic terrorists. And Bush won narrowly.  This time there is a scare tactics of Tea Parties to label Obama as a "Muslim" which would turn away millions of Christian fundamentalist voters.

            Keep in mind: A Republican win would favor Jamaati fundamentalist of Bangladesh-- they (U. S. foreign policy in general) dislike "secularism" since they equate that with communists. The State Dept. is already very cosy with Jamaati leaders.

         There were a lot of unknown factors involved in the Ramu destruction and LOT of money came pouring in for the extraordinary operation.  Your peyara Awami League people were completely ineffectual and they have a lot of answering to do.  Read this disgusting fellow's article below -- he is a bitter and extreme fundo -- but his writing has some points that need to be answered.

           Assalamu alaikum.

Please find my new article "বৌদ্ধদের উপর হামলা এবং দেশধ্বংসী সংকটে বাংলাদেশ (Attack on the Budhists and the Critical Crisis in Bangladesh)" as attached word and pdf file.

You can also find the same article by clicking the following link:
http://www.drfirozmahboobkamal.com/2010-03-24-10-21-22/877-attack-on-the-budhists-in-bangladesh-and-the-critical-crisis.html

It is also pasted below for your convenience.

If you find any merit in the article, please send it to others.
Regards.

Firoz Mahboob Kamal


 

To: bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com
CC: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: guhasb@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:05:56 -0400
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 

Here we go again!!!!!!
This is the people, who spreads the rumour that, Jews are behind 9/11-------
This is the people who spreads, India is behind Ramu's incident!!!!!!!!!
and wash their hands!
So, fundamentalism and terrorism will continue growing. Doing so, these people actually help the terrorists, they are the sympathesiers!
While they should think why a 21 year old become a terrorist, find the reason to rectify it; they are trying to find a hole to blame others and wash their hands!


 
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is Nafis really framed? Or, he was rather a willing soul to be a good victim? The kid did not believe in violence for the Muslim cause and yet, he resorted to commit the act. So, how can a westerner or easterner can trust these kinds of people who say certain things in public but would not hesitate to do the opposite? Is Islam a peaceful religion? Doesn't it sound like a broken record? How long can we keep the violent doctrine of Islam under the rug? If Nafis has committed his act in Bangladesh, he would have been showered by rose petals by a great number of people as we can see recent responses to violence against the Buddhists and minorities. Who are brainwashing these Nafises? Parents, Imams, local thugs? What should the buck stop?
-SD
 
 
 

Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist
 
NEW YORK: At the Missouri college where Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis enrolled, a classmate said he often remarked that true Muslims don't believe in violence.    
That image seemed startlingly at odds with the Bangladesh native's arrest in an FBI sting this week on charges of trying to blow up the Federal Reserve Bank in New York with what he thought was a 1,000-pound car bomb.
"I can't imagine being more shocked about somebody doing something like this," said Jim Dow, a 54-year-old Army veteran who rode home from class with Nafis twice a week. "I didn't just meet this kid a couple of times. We talked quite a bit. … And this doesn't seem to be in character."
Nafis' family in Dhaka, Bangladesh, denied he could have been involved in the plot. His parents said he was incapable of such actions and came to America only to study.
Federal investigators, often accused by defense attorneys of entrapping and leading would-be terrorists along, said the 21-year-old Nafis made the first move over the summer, reaching out for accomplices and eventually contacting a government informant, who then went to federal authorities.
They said he also selected his target, drove the van loaded with dummy explosives up to the door of the bank, and tried to set off the bomb from a hotel room using a cellphone he thought had been rigged as a detonator.
During the investigation, he and the informant corresponded via Facebook and other social media, talked on the phone and met in hotel rooms, according to a law enforcement official who was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.    Nafis spoke of his admiration for Osama bin Laden, talked of writing an article about his plot for an AL-Qaida-affiliated magazine, and said he would be willing to be a martyr but preferred to go home to his family after carrying out the attack, authorities said. And he also talked about wanting to kill President Barack Obama and bomb the New York Stock Exchange, a law enforcement official said.
Investigators said in court papers that he came to the U.S. bent on jihad and worked out the specifics of a plot when he arrived. While Nafis believed he had the blessing of al-Qaida and was acting on behalf of the terrorist group, he has no known ties, according to federal officials.
Nafis, who at the time of his arrest Wednesday was working as a busboy at a restaurant in Manhattan, was jailed without bail. His attorney has not commented on the case, but in other instances where undercover agents and sting operations were used, lawyers have argued entrapment.
Investigators would not say exactly how he initially contacted the government informant.
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, whose department had a role in the arrest as a member of a joint federal-state terrorism task force, said the entrapment argument rarely prevails.
"You have to be otherwise not disposed to do a crime," Kelly said. "And if it's your intent to do a crime, and somehow there are means made available, then generally speaking, the entrapment defense does not succeed."
Nafis was a terrible student in his native Bangladesh, and his middle-class parents said he persuaded them to send him to study in the US as a way of improving his job prospects. They don't believe he was planning an attack.
His father, a banker, said Nafis was so timid he couldn't venture out onto the roof alone.
"My son couldn't have done it," Quazi Ahsanullah said, weeping.
"He is very gentle and devoted to his studies," he said, pointing to Nafis' time studying at the private North South University in Dhaka.    Belal Ahmed, a spokesman for the university, said Nafis was put on probation and threatened with expulsion if he didn't bring his grades up. Nafis eventually stopped coming to school, Ahmed said.
The father of Bangladeshi national Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis who arrested in New York for attempting to detonate a bomb, cries alongside other relatives in Dhaka.—AFP photo
Ahsanullah said his son had argued that a US degree would give him a better chance at success in Bangladesh. "I spent all my savings to send him to America," the father said.
Nafis moved to Missouri, where he studied cyber security at Southeast Missouri State University. He also became vice president of the school's Muslim Student Association and began attending a mosque.
But he withdrew after one semester and requested over the summer that his records be transferred to a school in Brooklyn. The university declined to identify which school.    Dow, his former classmate at Southeast Missouri State, said Nafis spoke admiringly of bin Laden.
At the same time, "he told me he didn't really believe bin Laden was involved in the twin towers because he said bin Laden was a religious man, and a religious man wouldn't have done something like that," Dow said.
He said Nafis gave Dow a copy of the Quran and asked him to read it. But he "didn't rant or rave or say crazy stuff," Dow said.
"What really shocked me the most was he had specifically spoken to me about true Muslims not believing in violence," Dow said.
Dion Duncan of St. Louis, a fellow student and member of the Muslim organization, said: "Nafis was a good kid. He showed no traces of anti-Americanism, or death to America, or anything like that. He was a trustworthy, honest kid."
"He was polite and courteous. He was helpful. All the things you would expect from a good Muslim kid. He prayed five times a day," Duncan said.
 
 
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