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[mukto-mona] A Nobel Prize given in advance?



The nominations for the prize had to be in by Feb. 20, about one month after Obama was inaugurated. That means that the prize went for his rhetoric during the campaign, not anything he could have actually accomplished
 

The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons..
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics.. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."
Oslo, October 9, 2009
 
 


With Regards

Abi
 

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst"

- Aristotle


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[ALOCHONA] RE:Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea



Ms. Farida Majid, you and we all know Jamaat-E-Islam comes into politics by selling Islam for political reason not preaching the true Islam. Mr. Abul Ala Moududi, the founder of Jamaat-E-Islami always followed the harshest version of Islam, which was uncommon to our sub-continent until his arrival. Islam in undivided India flourished through Sufism. People of our subcontinent embraced Islam witnessing its beauty of inclusiveness. Surely, Islam according to Jamaat is not all embracing but Jamaat-E-Islami follows a very divisive Islam.

 

Allah created his creation with differences, with variation, variation in color, religion, creed, nationality, language, culture so on for sure reason. Allah created day and night with such distinct difference. Allah created man and women, again so much distinctly different but then again there is a natural unification works flawlessly. Jamaat works against Allah's rule of distinct difference then again welcoming unification. Jamaat chooses conspicuously against the unification of Allah's creation and favors only the distinct difference.

 

No one human is better then another but their work. Work of Jamaat is to create Fitna among Allah's creation, some time with two-nation theory, sometime with unknown overpowering Islami Jojba, other time bringing population demography.

 

In recent days, Mr. S.A. Hannan a leading member of Jamat-E-Islam think-tank taking refuge to World of Crap site in search of a smoking gun and become laughingstock. All his frantic actions are to prove every state of United States has an official religion therefore Bangladesh must have one.

 

Mr. S.A. Hannan, As a Muslim I find it hard to believe a real Muslim will support the mockery on Allah, Islam and his prophet (PBOH); present constitution of Bangladesh does exactly that.

 

In one of your earlier posting on April of 2009 (Alochona) You said -Restoration of 72 constitution will mean deleting faith in Allah as a pillar of state policy, restoration of socialism, deleting Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim ( in the name of beneficent and merciful Allah) and also banning all Islamic parties.-

Let us analyze each point you made from Islamic perspective:

Nineteen Seventy Two constitution of Bangladesh, which we (Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Buddhist and other faith) earned waging an independence war that you and Jamaat-e-Islami vehemently opposed not using peaceful means but waging a war against people of Bangladesh.

I thank you for correctly stating the words restoration of 1971, what it mean is going back to its ideological originality with what the country was founded. Bangladesh triumph over Pakistan burying the false notion of two-nation theory, which divided Muslims, and Hindus as different therefore each of them needed separate state.

What Awami League government is doing has no forceful innovation. Democratically elected parliament constructed 1972 constitution on the other hand inclusion of Islam as state religion, faith in Allah, inclusion of Bismillah and allowing religion to be used as tool for politics rather then worshipping  Allah was not constituted by parliament rather proclamation by undemocratic military regime.

 

Now with the history in hand, tell me Mr. S.A. Hannan, who waged the ideological warfare by changing the constitution? Is it the constitutionist of 1972 or the later proclamationists' military government?

 

Four pillars of 1972 constitution may not be Islamic but it was not anti Islamic or to defame Islam. But the later changes in constitution by autocratic Gen. Zia and Gen. Ershad regime is not just  anti democratic but surely anti Islamic as well, here is my argument as a Muslim, please read. 

 

Constitution of any country is the mother of all law and must to follow to its fullest strength, right? All other law of the land, such as Civil Law, Criminal Law, and Land Law etc comes under the framework of constitution, right?

 

Here is very important point; any law, which contradicts with the mother of all law therefore constitution, becomes null and void, right?

 

Now let me come to the point. Current constitution puts its faith in Allah, calls Bangladesh as a Muslim state, and puts Bismillah Hir Rahmanir Rahim (In the name of Allah……) in the preamble of constitution. Therefore, logic will be all law, which has been adopted in the constitution will be followed by rule of Allah, right?

 

Now, Mr. S.A. Hannan, please tell me as a Muslim how in the world a constitution that starts in the name of Allah and puts Aiyaa of holly Quran in the preamble, claims Islam as state religion constitutes Civil Law which authorizes a 18 years or old girl to get laid by getting state issued prostitution license!!!!! ! Mr. Hannan, I say Nousubillah, will you say that too?

 Constitution that starts in the name of Allah and puts Aiyaa of holly Quran in the preamble, claims Islam as state religion constitutes Civil Law which authorizes one to get state issued license to open bar to serve alcoholic beverage!!!! Mr. Hannan, what will be your answer to that?

Constitution that starts in the name of Allah and puts Aiyaa of holly Quran (Rahim ( in the name of beneficent and merciful Allah)  in the preamble, claims Islam as state religion constitutes Civil Law which authorizes one to get state issued license to drink alcoholic beverage!!!! !  Mr. Hannan, what will be your answer to that?

Constitution that starts in the name of Allah and puts Aiyaa of holly Quran in the preamble claims Islam as state religion constitutes Civil Law that authorizes one to get state issued license to setup gambling!!!!. Mr. Hannan, I say Nousubillah will you say that too?

Mr. S.A. Hannan, I with very limited knowledge in Islam as well as constitutional laws can site hundreds of anti Islam, Anti Allah, Anti Rasul (PBOH) law that goes against the preamble of constitution that starts with in the name of Allah.

I am ashamed that Muslims of Bangladesh does not understand that by inclusion of Allah and his religion Islam in our constitution and calling our state religion as Islam is nothing but mockery, disrespect and ridiculing Islam for mere political gain by mischief politician's certainly not out of love for true Islam.

Merciful Allah who created this earth and our solar system, allowed it to be inhibited by those who believe in Allah and those who do not. Gave them knowledge to find the truth and said, on the Day of Judgment you will be asked how you used your knowledge, until then you are on your own to belief or disbelief. Alas, we being the creation of Allah wants to change the rule of creator and make rules contrarily to his rule and appoint our self as judge for our makeshift judgment day. This is very sad that we are not ready to wait until his called judgment day but wants to handle it on our own.

Inclusive Islam that spread like a breakneck stream throughout the world with the word Salam to all, believers and non-believers alike now only wants to embrace ones and disowned the others.

Mr. S.A. Hannan, you said

What is the need for doing all these?  Islamic provisions in the constitution are  not any problem because Islam grants all other religious communities all fundamental rights ( Madinan society under the Prophet is the greatest proof where Jews were granted all civil, political and religious rights under the constitution made by the Prophet.  ).It is true that in a state where Muslims are in great majority, Islam will get special position .This does not create any  problem because other communities' rights are properly protected as per Islam.In entire history of Islam , all Muslim states  whether Khulafae Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Mughals or Usmani regime in Istambul, Islam had very special position. It was  natural thing.This should remain so

Mr. S.A. Hannan, who gave you the authority to GRANT when Allah granted this world to all, its land, its air, its stream of water then what right you have to use the word grant being a receiver of his mercy. . Let me point you to an argument, Muslim living in US a christen majority country do not curtail their religious beliefs too, what will be your argument Mr.Hannan.

Religious rights of other faith prevailed on the days our Rasul (PBUH), but no longer in many cases in many Muslim majority places. Practice of religion of other faith is no longer allowed in Mecca. What that means Mr. Hannan, is it not Islam in the hands of creation changed the creators rule!!!

Unnecessarily as an argument to special treatment to Islam, you said:

All Muslim states  whether Khulafae Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Mughals or Usmani regime in Istambul, Islam had very special position. It was natural thing.This should remain so.

It was Allah's wish, and Sahabaya Ikrams judgment, that after the death of our fourth Khulafa-e-Rashideen the Political Islam ended because by then it was clear that this could not sustain rather it creates Fitna among Muslim. Out of four Khalifah three of them was brutally murdered

First Khalifah Hadhrat Abu Bakr Siddique (radhiyallahu anhu) death was normal

Second Khalifah Hadhrat Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) died in the hands of Abu Lu'lu', the Majúsi (fire-worshipper)

Third Khalifah Hadhrat Uthman Ghani (radhiyallahu anhu) was brutally martyred on 18th Thil Hajj, 35 Hijri. When he was martyred, he was reciting the Qur'aan Majeed. His blood fell on the aayat:

Fourth and last Khalifah Hazrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) was martyred by Abdur Rahman Ibn Muljim on 18th of Ramadan in Kufa

Your mentioned Umayyad, Abbasid, Mughals or Usmani regime in Istambul are nothing but Kingship, which is very against the rule of Islamic theology, so no comments.

In an earlier posting Mr. Hannan you said:

Dear sirs, there is no need for a new ideological war in this county, It will create serious conflict and turmoil and where it will end up only Allah knows.No body can be sure such change made will be sustained later..I urge al of you to keep watch over the situation and to  save the country from such conflict and turmoil .Bangladesh has so many  problems, we should not open this new major problem.If any of you can influence Awami League leadership ,you should do so.

Mr. Hannan we hard this Jamaat-e-Islami political stunt rhetoric in 1971. When the entire nation was waging a war of liberation, Jamaat-e-Islami said the same thing. Their political doctrine of saving Pakistan to salvage Islam leaded them to contribute of bloodshed of Bengalis by forming Pakistani collaborator jalim Rajakar.

Mr. Hannan, you said - serious conflict and turmoil and where it will end up only Allah knows.

Nevertheless, you know that scare technique did not work in 1971 therefore; it will not work this time too.

 

BNP-Jamaat (Hannan Shah is one of them) is talking about the need for a national consensus and even need for referendum to change the constitution or to reinstate the glories of 1972 constitution. If they realy believe on what they saying then why they opposing the High Court verdict, delivered on Aug 29, 2005 (during Jamaat-BNP axis regime) scrapping the Fifth Amendment which was made through pen stoke of two General (Gen. Zia and Gen. Ershad) under Martial law proclamation and latter ratified. If BNP really believe what they say, then they have to withdraw their opposition against High Court judgment nullifying the 5th amendment. If they condemn Gen. Zia and Gen. Ershad for making such unconstitutional amendments of our constitution without proper course of law then people will accept the genuineness of their claim else not.

 

Constitution of 1972 made unity among its people based on its culture, heritage and historical deep rotted ethnicity and the solemn spirit of our glorious liberation war rather then religion. People of Bangladesh are by nature pious whether they follow guidance from Holly Quran, Holly Geeta, Holly Bible or Holy Tripithok but believe in universal equal rights for all with aspiration to live side by side with brotherly hood and harmony and thrive as one nation.

 

Mr. Hannan Shah, no matter how much you and your party Jamaat-E-Islami attempts to create discord among our people, people will answer you right. Haven't you seen the jubilant people of Bangladesh which made grave for your party in last election along with your leaders none of whom can win the election!!! You probably missed what people have said about who chanted Allah Hu Akbar for their political gain rather then affection for Allah.

 

Mr. Hannan Shah you have blown out once again and showed your real face, which is very much against Bangladesh and its people. If not literal then Bangladesh must choose to go back to the spirit of 1972 constitution, this is the demand of the time, for the survival of Bangladesh, to keep the promise to the fallen comrades.

Shamim Chowdhury

Maryland, USA

--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea
To: "Alochona Alochona" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 3:10 PM

     Resorting to ad hominem or "personal attacks" to avoid the truth has not worked very well in the past.  These attacks are poor 'lebas' or cover-ups of 'al-Haqqa' the Truth to serve ill intention (bil baTili).

     No matter how much you shout at me, I am not responsible for YOUR ignorance.  You should bear that responsibility yourself.  No one subscribes to your cockamamie definition of 'secularism'. The sooner you find that out the better.
 
       You and the Jamaatis have no basis for claiming that you are better than any of us as Muslims or followers of the faith of Islam.
 
      If you insist that you are a better Muslim than me then that geture of hubris, according to the 'mithla' in the Holy Qur'an, makes you a follower of Iblis who said of Adam -- 'ana khairun minhu' or 'I am better than him' when he openly disobeyed Allah's explicit order to do 'sajada' to Adam.
 
         Muslim Bengal has a glorious history! It was the shining gem, the most 'beautiful' and lushly cultivated land in the whole of Dar-ul-Islam, according to the Moroccan world-traveller, Ibn Batuta who visited Bengal in 1345 AD.
 
          Religion was part of political power-jostling in Christian Europe. By the Renaissance time and splitting of the Church, religion became the top politics for entire Europe. For a modern model of State Religion you have to look at Nazi Germany and Austria in the 1938-39. You will never find the like of it in Muslim India which was wonderfully secular. Study the administrative policies of the Moghuls and you will find out why there had never been a communal riot and how and why the Hindus, Muslims, Christians and all others lived side by side without cutting each other's throat.
 
        It is most fitting that Bangladesh be a secular country by its Constitution. No ifs or buts.
 
         May Allah deliver you from the curse of your self-imposed blindeness.
 
             Farida Majid

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
CC: dahuk@yahoogroups.com; witness-pioneer@yahoogroups.com; political_analysts@yahoogroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com
From: sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:58:05 -0700
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

Dear sirs,

 

Assalamu alaikum.This lady does not know anything of Islam or secularism or state religion.

 

She says, "       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India! "

 

In the thousand year of Muslim rule in India Shariah ( Islamic law ) was the basis of state and law and Qazis or judges used to judge according to this law.This is much more than state religion which is a softer way of a state  showing allegiance to Islam .

 

Secularism ( I call it in Bangla " Dharma Barjan Bad ") she does not understand at all  and it was never integral to our life or system.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: alochona@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:alochona@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Farida Majid
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

 

 
      Yet another PROOF of what I've been saying all along -----
      
        S. A. Hannan (and the whole Jamaati lot) is the embodiment of the Western-style 20th century Fascism.  State religion is a typically IMPORTED idea from the white Christian Europe. So is the idea of a 'State language' over which Pakistan made a such a fuss and we got terribly sentimental about Bangla as an 'endangered' language! Bangla is the fifth biggest language in the world and Bangladesh is the 7th most populous country! These days the Jamaatis are claiming that Islam is an endangered religion and they are the ONLY saviours of the 'deen' in Bangladesh.
 
       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India!
 
        Secularism is an integral part of our own history, culture and civilization.  The idea of a State Religion is totally foreign, and a trick of evil-intentioned anti-human politics.
 
          We, Bengalis never had a State Religion in all the 800 years of Muslim rule of Bengal.          
 
           Hannan's trumpeting of the "religion of the majority" is based on the British colonialists' computing of people of Bengal (in 1872 census) by their professed faith.  It was a bogus census with evil imperialist intention of controlling people and looting the wealth of Bengal as a colony. 
 
            It is time to DISCARD this colonial basis of classifying general citizenry by their religion.
 
          Please folks! We have suffered enough! It is time we all wake up to the dangers of these 20th century FASCISTS engulfing the hopes and dreams of our 21st century.
 
          Farida Majid



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[mukto-mona] RE:Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea



Ms. Farida Majid, you and we all know Jamaat-E-Islam comes into politics by selling Islam for political reason not preaching the true Islam. Mr. Abul Ala Moududi, the founder of Jamaat-E-Islami always followed the harshest version of Islam, which was uncommon to our sub-continent until his arrival. Islam in undivided India flourished through Sufism. People of our subcontinent embraced Islam witnessing its beauty of inclusiveness. Surely, Islam according to Jamaat is not all embracing but Jamaat-E-Islami follows a very divisive Islam.

 

Allah created his creation with differences, with variation, variation in color, religion, creed, nationality, language, culture so on for sure reason. Allah created day and night with such distinct difference. Allah created man and women, again so much distinctly different but then again there is a natural unification works flawlessly. Jamaat works against Allah's rule of distinct difference then again welcoming unification. Jamaat chooses conspicuously against the unification of Allah's creation and favors only the distinct difference.

 

No one human is better then another but their work. Work of Jamaat is to create Fitna among Allah's creation, some time with two-nation theory, sometime with unknown overpowering Islami Jojba, other time bringing population demography.

 

In recent days, Mr. S.A. Hannan a leading member of Jamat-E-Islam think-tank taking refuge to World of Crap site in search of a smoking gun and become laughingstock. All his frantic actions are to prove every state of United States has an official religion therefore Bangladesh must have one.

 

Mr. S.A. Hannan, As a Muslim I find it hard to believe a real Muslim will support the mockery on Allah, Islam and his prophet (PBOH); present constitution of Bangladesh does exactly that.

 

In one of your earlier posting on April of 2009 (Alochona) You said -Restoration of 72 constitution will mean deleting faith in Allah as a pillar of state policy, restoration of socialism, deleting Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim ( in the name of beneficent and merciful Allah) and also banning all Islamic parties.-

Let us analyze each point you made from Islamic perspective:

Nineteen Seventy Two constitution of Bangladesh, which we (Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Buddhist and other faith) earned waging an independence war that you and Jamaat-e-Islami vehemently opposed not using peaceful means but waging a war against people of Bangladesh.

I thank you for correctly stating the words restoration of 1971, what it mean is going back to its ideological originality with what the country was founded. Bangladesh triumph over Pakistan burying the false notion of two-nation theory, which divided Muslims, and Hindus as different therefore each of them needed separate state.

What Awami League government is doing has no forceful innovation. Democratically elected parliament constructed 1972 constitution on the other hand inclusion of Islam as state religion, faith in Allah, inclusion of Bismillah and allowing religion to be used as tool for politics rather then worshipping  Allah was not constituted by parliament rather proclamation by undemocratic military regime.

 

Now with the history in hand, tell me Mr. S.A. Hannan, who waged the ideological warfare by changing the constitution? Is it the constitutionist of 1972 or the later proclamationists' military government?

 

Four pillars of 1972 constitution may not be Islamic but it was not anti Islamic or to defame Islam. But the later changes in constitution by autocratic Gen. Zia and Gen. Ershad regime is not just  anti democratic but surely anti Islamic as well, here is my argument as a Muslim, please read. 

 

Constitution of any country is the mother of all law and must to follow to its fullest strength, right? All other law of the land, such as Civil Law, Criminal Law, and Land Law etc comes under the framework of constitution, right?

 

Here is very important point; any law, which contradicts with the mother of all law therefore constitution, becomes null and void, right?

 

Now let me come to the point. Current constitution puts its faith in Allah, calls Bangladesh as a Muslim state, and puts Bismillah Hir Rahmanir Rahim (In the name of Allah……) in the preamble of constitution. Therefore, logic will be all law, which has been adopted in the constitution will be followed by rule of Allah, right?

 

Now, Mr. S.A. Hannan, please tell me as a Muslim how in the world a constitution that starts in the name of Allah and puts Aiyaa of holly Quran in the preamble, claims Islam as state religion constitutes Civil Law which authorizes a 18 years or old girl to get laid by getting state issued prostitution license!!!!! ! Mr. Hannan, I say Nousubillah, will you say that too?

 Constitution that starts in the name of Allah and puts Aiyaa of holly Quran in the preamble, claims Islam as state religion constitutes Civil Law which authorizes one to get state issued license to open bar to serve alcoholic beverage!!!! Mr. Hannan, what will be your answer to that?

Constitution that starts in the name of Allah and puts Aiyaa of holly Quran (Rahim ( in the name of beneficent and merciful Allah)  in the preamble, claims Islam as state religion constitutes Civil Law which authorizes one to get state issued license to drink alcoholic beverage!!!! !  Mr. Hannan, what will be your answer to that?

Constitution that starts in the name of Allah and puts Aiyaa of holly Quran in the preamble claims Islam as state religion constitutes Civil Law that authorizes one to get state issued license to setup gambling!!!!. Mr. Hannan, I say Nousubillah will you say that too?

Mr. S.A. Hannan, I with very limited knowledge in Islam as well as constitutional laws can site hundreds of anti Islam, Anti Allah, Anti Rasul (PBOH) law that goes against the preamble of constitution that starts with in the name of Allah.

I am ashamed that Muslims of Bangladesh does not understand that by inclusion of Allah and his religion Islam in our constitution and calling our state religion as Islam is nothing but mockery, disrespect and ridiculing Islam for mere political gain by mischief politician's certainly not out of love for true Islam.

Merciful Allah who created this earth and our solar system, allowed it to be inhibited by those who believe in Allah and those who do not. Gave them knowledge to find the truth and said, on the Day of Judgment you will be asked how you used your knowledge, until then you are on your own to belief or disbelief. Alas, we being the creation of Allah wants to change the rule of creator and make rules contrarily to his rule and appoint our self as judge for our makeshift judgment day. This is very sad that we are not ready to wait until his called judgment day but wants to handle it on our own.

Inclusive Islam that spread like a breakneck stream throughout the world with the word Salam to all, believers and non-believers alike now only wants to embrace ones and disowned the others.

Mr. S.A. Hannan, you said

What is the need for doing all these?  Islamic provisions in the constitution are  not any problem because Islam grants all other religious communities all fundamental rights ( Madinan society under the Prophet is the greatest proof where Jews were granted all civil, political and religious rights under the constitution made by the Prophet.  ).It is true that in a state where Muslims are in great majority, Islam will get special position .This does not create any  problem because other communities' rights are properly protected as per Islam.In entire history of Islam , all Muslim states  whether Khulafae Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Mughals or Usmani regime in Istambul, Islam had very special position. It was  natural thing.This should remain so

Mr. S.A. Hannan, who gave you the authority to GRANT when Allah granted this world to all, its land, its air, its stream of water then what right you have to use the word grant being a receiver of his mercy. . Let me point you to an argument, Muslim living in US a christen majority country do not curtail their religious beliefs too, what will be your argument Mr.Hannan.

Religious rights of other faith prevailed on the days our Rasul (PBUH), but no longer in many cases in many Muslim majority places. Practice of religion of other faith is no longer allowed in Mecca. What that means Mr. Hannan, is it not Islam in the hands of creation changed the creators rule!!!

Unnecessarily as an argument to special treatment to Islam, you said:

All Muslim states  whether Khulafae Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Mughals or Usmani regime in Istambul, Islam had very special position. It was natural thing.This should remain so.

It was Allah's wish, and Sahabaya Ikrams judgment, that after the death of our fourth Khulafa-e-Rashideen the Political Islam ended because by then it was clear that this could not sustain rather it creates Fitna among Muslim. Out of four Khalifah three of them was brutally murdered

First Khalifah Hadhrat Abu Bakr Siddique (radhiyallahu anhu) death was normal

Second Khalifah Hadhrat Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) died in the hands of Abu Lu'lu', the Majúsi (fire-worshipper)

Third Khalifah Hadhrat Uthman Ghani (radhiyallahu anhu) was brutally martyred on 18th Thil Hajj, 35 Hijri. When he was martyred, he was reciting the Qur'aan Majeed. His blood fell on the aayat:

Fourth and last Khalifah Hazrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) was martyred by Abdur Rahman Ibn Muljim on 18th of Ramadan in Kufa

Your mentioned Umayyad, Abbasid, Mughals or Usmani regime in Istambul are nothing but Kingship, which is very against the rule of Islamic theology, so no comments.

In an earlier posting Mr. Hannan you said:

Dear sirs, there is no need for a new ideological war in this county, It will create serious conflict and turmoil and where it will end up only Allah knows.No body can be sure such change made will be sustained later..I urge al of you to keep watch over the situation and to  save the country from such conflict and turmoil .Bangladesh has so many  problems, we should not open this new major problem.If any of you can influence Awami League leadership ,you should do so.

Mr. Hannan we hard this Jamaat-e-Islami political stunt rhetoric in 1971. When the entire nation was waging a war of liberation, Jamaat-e-Islami said the same thing. Their political doctrine of saving Pakistan to salvage Islam leaded them to contribute of bloodshed of Bengalis by forming Pakistani collaborator jalim Rajakar.

Mr. Hannan, you said - serious conflict and turmoil and where it will end up only Allah knows.

Nevertheless, you know that scare technique did not work in 1971 therefore; it will not work this time too.

 

BNP-Jamaat (Hannan Shah is one of them) is talking about the need for a national consensus and even need for referendum to change the constitution or to reinstate the glories of 1972 constitution. If they realy believe on what they saying then why they opposing the High Court verdict, delivered on Aug 29, 2005 (during Jamaat-BNP axis regime) scrapping the Fifth Amendment which was made through pen stoke of two General (Gen. Zia and Gen. Ershad) under Martial law proclamation and latter ratified. If BNP really believe what they say, then they have to withdraw their opposition against High Court judgment nullifying the 5th amendment. If they condemn Gen. Zia and Gen. Ershad for making such unconstitutional amendments of our constitution without proper course of law then people will accept the genuineness of their claim else not.

 

Constitution of 1972 made unity among its people based on its culture, heritage and historical deep rotted ethnicity and the solemn spirit of our glorious liberation war rather then religion. People of Bangladesh are by nature pious whether they follow guidance from Holly Quran, Holly Geeta, Holly Bible or Holy Tripithok but believe in universal equal rights for all with aspiration to live side by side with brotherly hood and harmony and thrive as one nation.

 

Mr. Hannan Shah, no matter how much you and your party Jamaat-E-Islami attempts to create discord among our people, people will answer you right. Haven't you seen the jubilant people of Bangladesh which made grave for your party in last election along with your leaders none of whom can win the election!!! You probably missed what people have said about who chanted Allah Hu Akbar for their political gain rather then affection for Allah.

 

Mr. Hannan Shah you have blown out once again and showed your real face, which is very much against Bangladesh and its people. If not literal then Bangladesh must choose to go back to the spirit of 1972 constitution, this is the demand of the time, for the survival of Bangladesh, to keep the promise to the fallen comrades.

Shamim Chowdhury

Maryland, USA

--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea
To: "Alochona Alochona" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 3:10 PM

     Resorting to ad hominem or "personal attacks" to avoid the truth has not worked very well in the past.  These attacks are poor 'lebas' or cover-ups of 'al-Haqqa' the Truth to serve ill intention (bil baTili).

     No matter how much you shout at me, I am not responsible for YOUR ignorance.  You should bear that responsibility yourself.  No one subscribes to your cockamamie definition of 'secularism'. The sooner you find that out the better.
 
       You and the Jamaatis have no basis for claiming that you are better than any of us as Muslims or followers of the faith of Islam.
 
      If you insist that you are a better Muslim than me then that geture of hubris, according to the 'mithla' in the Holy Qur'an, makes you a follower of Iblis who said of Adam -- 'ana khairun minhu' or 'I am better than him' when he openly disobeyed Allah's explicit order to do 'sajada' to Adam.
 
         Muslim Bengal has a glorious history! It was the shining gem, the most 'beautiful' and lushly cultivated land in the whole of Dar-ul-Islam, according to the Moroccan world-traveller, Ibn Batuta who visited Bengal in 1345 AD.
 
          Religion was part of political power-jostling in Christian Europe. By the Renaissance time and splitting of the Church, religion became the top politics for entire Europe. For a modern model of State Religion you have to look at Nazi Germany and Austria in the 1938-39. You will never find the like of it in Muslim India which was wonderfully secular. Study the administrative policies of the Moghuls and you will find out why there had never been a communal riot and how and why the Hindus, Muslims, Christians and all others lived side by side without cutting each other's throat.
 
        It is most fitting that Bangladesh be a secular country by its Constitution. No ifs or buts.
 
         May Allah deliver you from the curse of your self-imposed blindeness.
 
             Farida Majid

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
CC: dahuk@yahoogroups.com; witness-pioneer@yahoogroups.com; political_analysts@yahoogroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com
From: sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:58:05 -0700
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

Dear sirs,

 

Assalamu alaikum.This lady does not know anything of Islam or secularism or state religion.

 

She says, "       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India! "

 

In the thousand year of Muslim rule in India Shariah ( Islamic law ) was the basis of state and law and Qazis or judges used to judge according to this law.This is much more than state religion which is a softer way of a state  showing allegiance to Islam .

 

Secularism ( I call it in Bangla " Dharma Barjan Bad ") she does not understand at all  and it was never integral to our life or system.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: alochona@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:alochona@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Farida Majid
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

 

 
      Yet another PROOF of what I've been saying all along -----
      
        S. A. Hannan (and the whole Jamaati lot) is the embodiment of the Western-style 20th century Fascism.  State religion is a typically IMPORTED idea from the white Christian Europe. So is the idea of a 'State language' over which Pakistan made a such a fuss and we got terribly sentimental about Bangla as an 'endangered' language! Bangla is the fifth biggest language in the world and Bangladesh is the 7th most populous country! These days the Jamaatis are claiming that Islam is an endangered religion and they are the ONLY saviours of the 'deen' in Bangladesh.
 
       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India!
 
        Secularism is an integral part of our own history, culture and civilization.  The idea of a State Religion is totally foreign, and a trick of evil-intentioned anti-human politics.
 
          We, Bengalis never had a State Religion in all the 800 years of Muslim rule of Bengal.          
 
           Hannan's trumpeting of the "religion of the majority" is based on the British colonialists' computing of people of Bengal (in 1872 census) by their professed faith.  It was a bogus census with evil imperialist intention of controlling people and looting the wealth of Bengal as a colony. 
 
            It is time to DISCARD this colonial basis of classifying general citizenry by their religion.
 
          Please folks! We have suffered enough! It is time we all wake up to the dangers of these 20th century FASCISTS engulfing the hopes and dreams of our 21st century.
 
          Farida Majid



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