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এ শালা রাজাকারের বাচ্চা Mohiuddin Anwar কি বলতে  চায় ? শেখ হাসিনা স্বাধীন সার্বভৌম বাংলাদেশেই থাকবে, আর রাজাকারের বাচ্চারা ফাকিস্তান চলে যাবে I

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Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday



Some kind of olive branch is always there. Ukraine is ethnically German majority. It naturally has inclination towards the Germans. The kindy of money coughed out to Greece hasn't been given to Ukraine yet. Austerity and servicing the loan sharks are not exactly the routes to prosperity. Lenders are willing to offer even more money to Greece after the present government exits which would happen after yes vote. A no vote can save the country may be after an arduous tightening of the belt. Ukraine can only disintegrate even further. The leaders of the free world does not allow commodity of one state free access to another. Let us see what would happen to U. K. if it exits EU. Scottish independence movement would be financed by Deusche Bank, and this time they would win. That is the real politics. As a rabbit meets a python, it is first charmed then swallowed by the latter.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

More power to the Greeks if they really dare to get out of EU? I do sense some contradiction in your position. You call it German neo-colonialism and yet, every country would like to join the union including the basket case Ukraine? 
If Greece goes, more countries will follow. The question is why countries like Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy have even joined the union? Easy German cash?
 




On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 10:27 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Socialist system in USSR collapsed due to privileges it offered to the ruling class. George Orwell depicted the system properly in his "Animal Farm". Apparently, the Chinese socialism is keeping U. S. capitalism alive. About Greek problems, please read Stiglitz. Why has the retirement age in U. S. A. increased? Isn't it because the Social Security is bankrupt? In Greece sixty percent of the youth has no job, how can they keep the old in employed? European Union is German neo colonialism. It is bound to collapse.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Yes, I remember that crisis; I went through it. But, that was a hiccup in the system, which did not stop the progress of the Capitalist System. I agree there will be many more such hiccups in the future, but I believe capitalist system will stand back due to the inherent resiliency of the system. On the contrary, socialist system is incapable of facing such hiccups. 
You said - Greek crisis is more of political than economic. In my view - it is both. As far as I know, full retirement age in Greece is at ~55, which is ~67 in the USA. Greek Government has extended and expanded entitlement programs so far that it went bankrupt fulfilling the promised entitlement programs with borrowed money. In fact, General Motor, in the USA, went bankrupt for the same reason, and it had to reform its entitlement policies as a precondition for the US government  bail out. That's what Greece needs to do, that's what IMF and German banks are asking for, but, people do not want it, obviously.  
So, it was the government borrowing, not the private lending, that pushed the Government to default on the loan payment, and hence the bank closures. I cannot blame the German Banks, as you did. Banks are not charitable institutions; they survive on profit. In fact, Germany is the only savior for the Greece right now.
"Any system that feeds inept rich at the expense of inept poor is bound to collapse."
If that's the case - socialist system would not collapse. Sorry!
Jiten Roy


From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
Any system that feeds inept rich at the expense of inept poor is bound to collapse. Remember the recent Wall Street crisis? Another is looming. Reganomics doesn't work. The present crisis in Greece is not caused by their liberal government but by private sector lending by German and French banks. The loan servicing conditions are imposed to put government out of power. So the crisis is more political than economic. 

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On Jul 1, 2015, at 8:02 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
"Greek exit would be followed by Spain, Italy and France due to bankruptcy ...." All these countries have been under liberal/socialist economies for decades. So, I don't see your point of view.

But, I don't disagree that - when all these liberal economies self-destruct, capitalism will suffer, as well, and it could even self-destruct; capitalism cannot survive without market.

Jiten Roy 

 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 8:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
and Britain for other reasons. Thus the German hegemony would end.  Could U.S. economy survive without Chinese investment? Capitalism is the real culprit, not socialism.



On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
How long a country can sustain by borrowing other peoples' money?

Greece was once an economic and cultural power-house in the world, which is destroyed by the ultra-liberal/socialist economic policies; people should hold politicians responsible for ruining this beautiful country.

Jiten Roy
 

From: "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:09 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
Another view ~ "I want him (Tsipras) to knock his fist on the table and to say 'enough!'," said Athens resident Evgenoula.

Many leading economists have voiced sympathy with the Greek government's argument that further cuts in spending risk choking off the growth which would give Greece some prospect of servicing debts worth nearly twice its annual national income. >>
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/30993-greece-considers-capital-controls-closing-banks-on-monday


গ্রীসে আগামী ৭ই জুলাই পর্যন্ত সমস্ত ব্যাংক বন্ধ থাকবে..
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গ্রীসের সরকার নিশ্চিত করেছে যে, চলতি সপ্তাহে দেশটির ব্যাংকগুলো বন্ধ থাকবে। আগামী ৭ই জুলাই পর্যন্ত দেশটির সব ব্যাংক বন্ধ থাকবে। তবে সোমবার বিকাল থেকে দেশটির ব্যাংকগুলোর এটিএম বুথ খোলা থাকবে। কিন্তু প্রতিদিন ৬০ ইউরোর বেশি টাকা তোলা যাবে না।














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Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday



UK will quit once it is forced to take refugees from Middle-east and Africa. English had enough of people joining ISIL and now more refugees settling in Londonistan would break the camel's back for good.




On Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:11 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
UK is not totally out of EU yet. Greeks are bad, Italians are even worse in work ethics. The present crisis in Greece is older than the present government. It started the day Greece joined the EU. Every day, scores of Greek industries are closing down. No depression has ever been solved by austerity.  Let's wait for the future after the referendum.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
"Isn't it because the Social Security is bankrupt?

I agree - that was the only thing government was forced to keep solvent with borrowed money.

"In Greece sixty percent of the youth has no job, how can they keep the old in employed?"

Correct, how will that kind of charitable government system create jobs? 

"European Union is German neo colonialism. It is bound to collapse."

If that's the case, others should get out of EU, as UK did. How come Greece is still asking for German help?

So, Dr. Das, I believe, these are your emotional responses on the subject.

Jiten Roy

 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:27 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
Socialist system in USSR collapsed due to privileges it offered to the ruling class. George Orwell depicted the system properly in his "Animal Farm". Apparently, the Chinese socialism is keeping U. S. capitalism alive. About Greek problems, please read Stiglitz. Why has the retirement age in U. S. A. increased? Isn't it because the Social Security is bankrupt? In Greece sixty percent of the youth has no job, how can they keep the old in employed? European Union is German neo colonialism. It is bound to collapse.



On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Yes, I remember that crisis; I went through it. But, that was a hiccup in the system, which did not stop the progress of the Capitalist System. I agree there will be many more such hiccups in the future, but I believe capitalist system will stand back due to the inherent resiliency of the system. On the contrary, socialist system is incapable of facing such hiccups. 
You said - Greek crisis is more of political than economic. In my view - it is both. As far as I know, full retirement age in Greece is at ~55, which is ~67 in the USA. Greek Government has extended and expanded entitlement programs so far that it went bankrupt fulfilling the promised entitlement programs with borrowed money. In fact, General Motor, in the USA, went bankrupt for the same reason, and it had to reform its entitlement policies as a precondition for the US government  bail out. That's what Greece needs to do, that's what IMF and German banks are asking for, but, people do not want it, obviously.  
So, it was the government borrowing, not the private lending, that pushed the Government to default on the loan payment, and hence the bank closures. I cannot blame the German Banks, as you did. Banks are not charitable institutions; they survive on profit. In fact, Germany is the only savior for the Greece right now.
"Any system that feeds inept rich at the expense of inept poor is bound to collapse."
If that's the case - socialist system would not collapse. Sorry!
Jiten Roy


From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
Any system that feeds inept rich at the expense of inept poor is bound to collapse. Remember the recent Wall Street crisis? Another is looming. Reganomics doesn't work. The present crisis in Greece is not caused by their liberal government but by private sector lending by German and French banks. The loan servicing conditions are imposed to put government out of power. So the crisis is more political than economic. 

Sent from my iPad



On Jul 1, 2015, at 8:02 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
"Greek exit would be followed by Spain, Italy and France due to bankruptcy ...." All these countries have been under liberal/socialist economies for decades. So, I don't see your point of view.

But, I don't disagree that - when all these liberal economies self-destruct, capitalism will suffer, as well, and it could even self-destruct; capitalism cannot survive without market.

Jiten Roy 

 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 8:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
and Britain for other reasons. Thus the German hegemony would end.  Could U.S. economy survive without Chinese investment? Capitalism is the real culprit, not socialism.



On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
How long a country can sustain by borrowing other peoples' money?

Greece was once an economic and cultural power-house in the world, which is destroyed by the ultra-liberal/socialist economic policies; people should hold politicians responsible for ruining this beautiful country.

Jiten Roy
 

From: "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:09 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
Another view ~ "I want him (Tsipras) to knock his fist on the table and to say 'enough!'," said Athens resident Evgenoula.

Many leading economists have voiced sympathy with the Greek government's argument that further cuts in spending risk choking off the growth which would give Greece some prospect of servicing debts worth nearly twice its annual national income. >>
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/30993-greece-considers-capital-controls-closing-banks-on-monday


গ্রীসে আগামী ৭ই জুলাই পর্যন্ত সমস্ত ব্যাংক বন্ধ থাকবে..
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গ্রীসের সরকার নিশ্চিত করেছে যে, চলতি সপ্তাহে দেশটির ব্যাংকগুলো বন্ধ থাকবে। আগামী ৭ই জুলাই পর্যন্ত দেশটির সব ব্যাংক বন্ধ থাকবে। তবে সোমবার বিকাল থেকে দেশটির ব্যাংকগুলোর এটিএম বুথ খোলা থাকবে। কিন্তু প্রতিদিন ৬০ ইউরোর বেশি টাকা তোলা যাবে না।
















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We know exactly who are true romantic revolutionaries. These two creeps are nothing but fighting for Islamic supremacy with their bare @ss. Prof got it right!
 




On Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:09 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
You did not get the connotation of the adjective 'romantic' in this case. Khomeini was not a romantic revolutionary. He and his followers were a determined, committed and organized group. As I have mentioned before, Comrade Abdul Haque was a romantic revolutionary. He retained the name East Pakistan Communist Party even several years after liberation of Bangladesh in the hope there would come a day when with help from local pro-Pakistani political parties like Muslim League would free East Pakistan from the Indian colony. 

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On Jul 2, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

He is talking of defending the 'Islamic Republic' against India, If Khomeini was a romantic revolutionary in your eyes, you should consult a psychiatrist.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

Please read the excerpt from Mr. Zoglul. Do you see any touch of reality in the proposition? Don't you smell romantic revolution will, in it? I do. These guys are sitting in America or Canada.Some of you have the mindset that a revolution has to be a socialist or communist revolution. Iran had an Islamic Revolution. 

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On Jun 30, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Calling people with medieval mindset romantic revolutionaries is an affront to political correctness.
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"We must unite all patriots, and we must be prepared to defend ourselves. Appeasement of, or prostrating to, the hegemonists is an ignoble act, for which Lhendup Dorjee later repented ruefully, but it was too late then! We will not attack, but if attacked, we must be prepared to respond appropriately depending on our own strategy and tactics!"-----Zoglul

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Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday



More power to the Greeks if they really dare to get out of EU? I do sense some contradiction in your position. You call it German neo-colonialism and yet, every country would like to join the union including the basket case Ukraine? 
If Greece goes, more countries will follow. The question is why countries like Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy have even joined the union? Easy German cash?
 




On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 10:27 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Socialist system in USSR collapsed due to privileges it offered to the ruling class. George Orwell depicted the system properly in his "Animal Farm". Apparently, the Chinese socialism is keeping U. S. capitalism alive. About Greek problems, please read Stiglitz. Why has the retirement age in U. S. A. increased? Isn't it because the Social Security is bankrupt? In Greece sixty percent of the youth has no job, how can they keep the old in employed? European Union is German neo colonialism. It is bound to collapse.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Yes, I remember that crisis; I went through it. But, that was a hiccup in the system, which did not stop the progress of the Capitalist System. I agree there will be many more such hiccups in the future, but I believe capitalist system will stand back due to the inherent resiliency of the system. On the contrary, socialist system is incapable of facing such hiccups. 
You said - Greek crisis is more of political than economic. In my view - it is both. As far as I know, full retirement age in Greece is at ~55, which is ~67 in the USA. Greek Government has extended and expanded entitlement programs so far that it went bankrupt fulfilling the promised entitlement programs with borrowed money. In fact, General Motor, in the USA, went bankrupt for the same reason, and it had to reform its entitlement policies as a precondition for the US government  bail out. That's what Greece needs to do, that's what IMF and German banks are asking for, but, people do not want it, obviously.  
So, it was the government borrowing, not the private lending, that pushed the Government to default on the loan payment, and hence the bank closures. I cannot blame the German Banks, as you did. Banks are not charitable institutions; they survive on profit. In fact, Germany is the only savior for the Greece right now.
"Any system that feeds inept rich at the expense of inept poor is bound to collapse."
If that's the case - socialist system would not collapse. Sorry!
Jiten Roy


From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
Any system that feeds inept rich at the expense of inept poor is bound to collapse. Remember the recent Wall Street crisis? Another is looming. Reganomics doesn't work. The present crisis in Greece is not caused by their liberal government but by private sector lending by German and French banks. The loan servicing conditions are imposed to put government out of power. So the crisis is more political than economic. 

Sent from my iPad



On Jul 1, 2015, at 8:02 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
"Greek exit would be followed by Spain, Italy and France due to bankruptcy ...." All these countries have been under liberal/socialist economies for decades. So, I don't see your point of view.

But, I don't disagree that - when all these liberal economies self-destruct, capitalism will suffer, as well, and it could even self-destruct; capitalism cannot survive without market.

Jiten Roy 

 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 8:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
and Britain for other reasons. Thus the German hegemony would end.  Could U.S. economy survive without Chinese investment? Capitalism is the real culprit, not socialism.



On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
How long a country can sustain by borrowing other peoples' money?

Greece was once an economic and cultural power-house in the world, which is destroyed by the ultra-liberal/socialist economic policies; people should hold politicians responsible for ruining this beautiful country.

Jiten Roy
 

From: "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:09 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
Another view ~ "I want him (Tsipras) to knock his fist on the table and to say 'enough!'," said Athens resident Evgenoula.

Many leading economists have voiced sympathy with the Greek government's argument that further cuts in spending risk choking off the growth which would give Greece some prospect of servicing debts worth nearly twice its annual national income. >>
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/30993-greece-considers-capital-controls-closing-banks-on-monday


গ্রীসে আগামী ৭ই জুলাই পর্যন্ত সমস্ত ব্যাংক বন্ধ থাকবে..
alt
গ্রীসের সরকার নিশ্চিত করেছে যে, চলতি সপ্তাহে দেশটির ব্যাংকগুলো বন্ধ থাকবে। আগামী ৭ই জুলাই পর্যন্ত দেশটির সব ব্যাংক বন্ধ থাকবে। তবে সোমবার বিকাল থেকে দেশটির ব্যাংকগুলোর এটিএম বুথ খোলা থাকবে। কিন্তু প্রতিদিন ৬০ ইউরোর বেশি টাকা তোলা যাবে না।













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