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Wednesday, December 10, 2014

Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God



Your mind is not nonexistent. It lives in your temporal lobe. Belief in existence of soul and metaphysics would lead you to a labyrinth to be devoured by Minotaur. Ancient Egyptian belief placed mind and soul in heart. Spiritual experience grows from temporal lobe disorder. Epileptic fit is described as samadhi. Most prophets and preachers had this trait.

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On Dec 11, 2014, at 6:25 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

One of the materialistic thoughts is - something that does not exist physically does not exist at all. But, that's not always correct. There are entities which do not exist in the physical world, but exist in the meta-physical world. Our mind does not exist physically, but exists in the metaphysical space; it controls most of the things we do. Our consciousness is another superior trait in us that has no physical existence, but exists in the metaphysical space, and guides us to sort out good and bad. There are many such entities that exist only in the metaphysical space, and have practical implications in our lives.
 
Deeldar said his spirituality is in line with Poet RN Tagore. The existence of a spiritual-idol is present in most of Tagore's works. His spiritual idol as the creator of the universe.
 
Now, let's think about meditation. You will see it requires a focal-point of thought. During simple meditation routine, instructor will ask participants to concentrate on his/her breathing. Why is that? It is to concentrate on the breathing, which occupies the focal-spot of the thought, and help participants to concentrate. Meditation can take us to the gate of the spiritual world. But, once you are at the gate, then what? You need a superior tour guide to achieve something meaningful in the spiritual world. Tagore had spiritual idol, so does everybody. Otherwise, it will be simply unproductive meditation.
Jiten Roy
 

From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

 
I appreciate your wisdom. But, not completely agree with this kind of extreme view. I am not talking about adoring a Shalgram Shila but imagining certain thing in a secular way to give our minds a temporary picture of a thing that we do not understand (please ignore the God). Why this would be considered as sinful and toxic when we know that science corrects itself whether we want or not? Why this rigidity when we do not know everything as opposed to an idealist knowing everything about *his/her God and messengers?

Neurons of our brains are autonomous entities even though they work in synchrony. It would be absurd and wrong to say that we control all of them consciously all the time. We don't!! If you consider a secular spirituality is toxic, I must say we are being exposed to it every moment and we have been doing fine since the first man started to walk. Life would be totally disaster without the simultaneous existence of spirituality in our minds. Call it a hardware to function without the software.

My definition of spirituality is some what different from other forum members. I call it a deeper thinking with all doors being open all the time along the line of great Tagore. Thank you all and I stop here.
-SD
 



On Monday, December 8, 2014 9:33 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Spiritualism is toxic, materialism is not. As a spiritual person, one can adore a hollow stone known as shalgram shila as Narayana. To a materialist, it is worth no more than a paper weight. Shallowness in ancient thoughts led to religious concepts. Not even the modern scientific world can get rid of them.

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On Dec 9, 2014, at 2:35 AM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Yes, however, I do not see why a materialist would not be able to practice a non religious spiritualism? It is rather an inherent property of our cognitive brain, which is a product of many million years of evolution. Is it always logical? Does it always need to seek a material basis of everything? There are plenty of things that we do not sense with our sensory organs. Does that mean they not exist? There are plenty of things that we would never see even with our fancy instruments but their existence might be proven indirectly with some math equations. Are they real?

I do not think the spirituality should exclusively be boxed with idealism.
-SD
 





On Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:35 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Use Bangla meaning of materialistic and spiritualistic to understand them.

Spiritualistic => Addhyattik
Materialistic => Bastovbadik
 

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Re: [mukto-mona] Redefinition of God (God 2.0)



The man is harmless. A great salesman with Indian accent!

Here is Chopra with Tanzi

 



On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:34 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
He is probably induced by that old God George Burns who played  Oh God books 1 & 2.

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On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:10 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I also think that Deepak Chopra is a tout. Obviously, he is smart enough to make money from a lot of Americans who are obsessed with the word "God", and want to hear about "God 2.0", when they see some problems with "God 1.0."
 
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On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:13 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
God 2.0 has been seen by Chopra as absolute consciousness and essence of being human or conscious awareness. The idea is not vague, nothing can be more idealistic than the proposition made by him. He simply made some statements and did not care about elaborating on them. The circumstances he has listed to warrant the necessity of idealizing God 2.0  basically always existed. His idea of God is so vague it does not qualify to be a metaphysical construct. But he may sell well among many Americans in the same way as Bhagwan Rajnish could be sold. 

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On Dec 8, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 
In the link below, America's spiritual Guru, Dr. Chopra has discussed the redefinition of God (God 2.0) that I have been talking about in recent days. Many could not conceive that idea yet; many kept going back to religious definitions of God(s) and kept missing the point.
As Dr. Chopra has pointed out, modernity have given us comfortable life-style, but it's not enough to bring peace and tranquility in one's life, which requires spiritual enlightenment. Life without spirituality is incomplete.
Materialistic ideology, such as communism, drives God out of life, and fails miserably to fulfill both material and spiritual needs. Religion, on the other hand, cannot fulfil anything, not even the spiritual need. It divides God into thousands of fragments.
Under the circumstances, redefinition of the concept of spiritual God could bring God back to peoples' lives, once again. Spiritual God is one God for all devoid of political religions.
Jiten Roy
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[mukto-mona] DDD 184. বিএনপির নেতৃত্ব আর কত দিন খোশগল্পে কাটাবে? [1 Attachment]

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Dhaka Daily Dish, 184th Issue, 10th Dec '14

 
Dear All
We are fortunate for having a new feature within a fortnight's time from
Mr Serajur Rahman, longtime Chief of Bangla Service, BBC London. 
It is self said and thought generating on political condition in Bangladesh.
I just placed here first & last paras, for you to find beauty of the balance
part of the feature from Naya Diganta.   In his honor, picture of the most
beautiful palace in Bangladesh – the Parliament Building, is printed today,
humbly remembering and recognizing his relentless efforts to bring back
democracy – deliberately demolished & destroyed in Bangladesh.  Thanks.
Haque, Lowell, MA, USA.
 
সময়ের ভাবনা

বিএনপির নেতৃত্ব আর কত দিন খোশগল্পে কাটাবে?

সিরাজুর রহমান, ৫ ডিসেম্বর ২০১৪, Naya Diganta, Post Editorial                          
 
মজলুম জননেতা মওলানা আবদুল হামিদ খানের ৩৮তম মৃত্যুদিবস পালিত হলো গত ১৭ নভেম্বর
সে তারিখে বিএনপি  ২০ দলীয় ঐক্যজোটের নেত্রী বেগম খালেদা জিয়া ছাড়া প্রথম কাতারের আর
কোনো নেতানেত্রী তার প্রতি শ্রদ্ধানিবেদন করেছেন বলে আমার নজরে পড়েনি অতীতের মুখ চেয়ে
অবশ্যই বটে ভবিষ্যতের খাতিরেও এজাতীয় শ্রদ্ধানিবেদনের মূল্য আছে এখন যাদের জন্ম হচ্ছে এবং
ভবিষ্যতে আরো যারা জন্মাবে, তাদের সবাই বর্তমানের বিতর্কিত সরকারের সদস্যদের মতো অপ্রিয়
ইতিহাস পুড়িয়ে ফেলতে নাও চাইতে পারে আগে যারা এসেছিলেন, এই জাতিকে ভালোবেসেছিলেন
এবং কণ্ঠ  পেশিসর্বস্ব নেতাদের অবহেলায় অভিমান করে চলে গেছেন, তাদের সম্পর্কে প্রকৃত সত্য
জানার সুযোগ তাদেরও দিতে হবে তারাও বর্তমানের কোনো কোনো নেতারনেত্রীর মতো গাঢ়োল
হবে বলে ধরে নেয়ার কোনো কারণ নেই …………
 
………… বছরও দু'টি ঈদের পরে খালেদা জিয়ার 'কর্মসূচির' প্রতিশ্রুতি ছিল জমিদার বাড়ির সে
মণ্ডামিঠাই আসেনি এখন আবার বিজয় দিবস (বিজয়ের মাস নয়) আসন্ন সে জন্যও বিলম্ব করতে
হবে কেউ কেউ বলছেন, বিদেশীদের চাপে সরকার মার্চ মাস নাগাদ নির্বাচন দিতে বাধ্য হবে কিন্তু
 জানুয়ারির পর থেকে অনেক নিষ্ক্রিয়তা, অনেক গড়িমসি দেখেছে বিদেশীরা তারা আর কত দিন
ধৈর্য ধরে বিএনপির 'কর্মসূচির' জন্য অপেক্ষা করবে? অধৈর্য হয়ে হয়তো তারা শেখ হাসিনার সৃষ্ট
বাস্তবতাকেই মন্দের ভালো বলে মেনে নেবে তা ছাড়া খালেদা জিয়া  তার দলের শীর্ষ নেতারা
নির্বাচন করার জন্য তত দিন জেলখানার বাইরে থাকবেন তো? মধ্যবর্তী সামান্য সময়টুকুও কি
তারা কাজে লাগাতে পারেন না? মার্চ মাস পর্যন্ত দেরি না করে বিজয় দিবসের পরের দিনই কর্মসূচি
কেন ঘোষণা করা যায় না ? ? ?



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