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Sunday, June 28, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Dangerous propaganda



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On Jun 28, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Shah DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Not a crime to dream about Ghazaa-e-Hind and masturbate within the four walls of a confined room while others have been shooting for the distant stars and planets. Lets join Pakistan and decimate the obvious eternal enemies, the infidels?:-)

Only God knows what these people have been smoking?

Follow this retard if anybody cares?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CverzUnx1-o

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:52 PM, <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:
Several issues here:

It is important to be realistic.  Pakistan being a nuclear power cannot take on India, do you seriously think Bangladesh has the military power to do so and win?  If not then don't you think we need to pursue our goals through diplomatic means?  Being suicidal is not being brave.

India is not the only power that has regional ambitions.  China and the U.S. also do.  If we have learned to get along with China and the U.S. then perhaps we could try the same with the country that liberated us from Pakistan.

Bangladesh has left Pakistan behind since independence, but there is still a long way to go with respect to economic development.  If we want to compare ourselves with another country, perhaps we should do so with other smaller countries in the region.  If we want to take on India perhaps the way forward would be through a United Bengal movement but that won't work either because we will probably end up getting exploited again.

Responding to the views of extremist parties by urging people to prepare for war is not the answer.  One can try to settle disputes bilaterally and if that fails then through the mediation of third parties.  What is preventing Bangladesh from making trade and economic deals with other neighbours?  There is no need to keep defining ourselves in relation to India and if our economy is tied to India then there is all the more reason to not alienate India by persecuting Bangladeshi Hindus and upping the anti-Hindu rhetoric.

To take another example, men exploit women economically and abuse and murder them too.  Should we be advising women to hate men and get ready to kill them or should we encourage them to stand up for their rights and work together?

Canada lives next to a hegemonic power that is far worse than India in many ways. In the 19th. century the U.S. had invaded Canada and set fire to the Parliament and in return Canadian soldiers burned down the White House too.  Most Canadians don't care for US foreign policy and there are have been many, many trade disputes that are mediated by international bodies.  On the surface Canada and the U.S. keep referring to each other as best friends.  Canada does not like the absence of gun control in the U.S. because it also affects law and order here because that is from where guns are smuggled.  Our border is too huge to police so  being on bad terms with the U.S. is a lose-lose situation and inciting people to war means mutually assured destruction with Canada ending up the bigger loser.  Not because people want to prostrate to the Americans but because it is too one-sided.  That is reality.  If you want a war to sacrifice your fellow citizens, at least  start one that is winnable.

Unfortunately we in Bangladesh are not even able to resolve disputes between opposition parties, even if it hurts our economy, so our leaders and thinkers don't seem wise or responsible enough to act maturely.  We are addicted to anger and hate.  There is a difference between being assertive and being aggressive.  Compromising with give and take is not prostration.  Win-win outcomes are those in which neither party gets everything they are looking for, but both get something that they can live with.  But judging from the politics in Bangladesh each party wants all or nothing - this is reflected in our domestic policy and in our foreign policy.  If we want to become a middle income country by 2021 we won't achieve it by promoting religious hatred and starting a war with India or anyone else.

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On Jun 27, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Thank you. It is rather surprising to see that a very learned person, like you, fails to see the connectivity between safeguarding independence and sovereignty of a country from a regional hegemonic power, and the economic emancipation of the people of the country concerned under the grip of this hegemony. It is also difficult to see why some people rightly say that our national liberation struggle for 190 years (from 1757 Palashi to 1947) is glorious, and our freedom war in 1971 is glorious, but the same people say that defending our independence and sovereignty from the aggressive hegemonism of India is regressive! Is it the influence of the hegemonists?

When India pursues hegemonism, rather than win-win relations with us, should we appease, or prostrate? Or, should we nationally prepare to defend ourselves? Colonialism, at the end of WWII, was smashed to smithereens, but it re-emerged in the form of neo-colonialism, with its allies, such as hegemonism, expansionism, etc. with all its varying collaborations and contentions within the involved powers themselves. In a situation like this, all victim nations, like us, should do their best to defend freedom, and establish democracy, justice and harmonious development. 

As regards, economic development, which you raised, I very briefly referred to the emergence of developing countries as an important factor in the present day economics, in my article: Development of Bangladesh, published in Bangladesh in the Financial Express on 26 August 2014 with the title 'Economic and human resource development: Bangladesh makes its mark',
http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2014/08/26/52522. The article was also published by Bangladeshi publications in London and Paris.

The economic development of the emerging developing countries can be related to national independence in the process of decolonisation, along with other national and international economic factors.


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So you read extremist web sites and want to get ready for war.  How is that different from the US war on terror?  I guess we can use patriotism to patriotically sacrifice the lives of our fellow citizens by further inflaming the situation and adding fuel to fire.  This is actually a very Pakistani approach.  Let's focus on India so we can divert attention away from dealing with poverty, jobs, housing, health, education and transportation.  Let's go on jihads instead of building our own country.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Thank you, Abid Bahar Bhai, for your patriotic and thoughtful response. I think, some people forget the oft quoted Shakespearean expression (the context can be generalised): 

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, 
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." 
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio. 
Myopic philosophers often confound themselves, rather than enlightening others.

The 'Amader Shomoy' report, we are discussing, is not an isolated dangerous propaganda. A quick look at the following RSS Facebook (with 37 thousand likes) would show the hate campaign, fascist frenzy and the hegemonic aspiration:

Even Subir Bhaumik, a journalist, who has a PhD and 15 years' experience with BBC, openly threatened, in the Times of India, of Indian military intervention in Bangladesh, if the Bangladesh govt did not toe the line (i.e. accept the authority, policies, or principles of India, especially unwillingly). Please see the Bangladesh Chronicle article: Kite flying by RAW? Mumtaz Iqbal, November 14, 2013,

Many leaders of the fascist RSS, and the fascist BJP, brag about their anti-Muslim and Anti-Bangladesh evil rhetoric openly. Recently, I circulated lists of communal riots in India. There were thousands of these, and there are reports that both the RSS, the ideological mentor of BJP and open supporter of Hitler, and the BJP, were involved in a large number of these, just not only in Gujarat. For example, please see the following: Communal Riots in India, A Chronology (1947-2003), B Rajeshwari,  

The curse of the caste system, as well as inequality, has reduced 75% of the Indian people to Dalits (formerly called 'untouchables') and semi-Dalits. "The status of Indian Muslims are below the conditions of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes" according to Justice Sachar Committee report, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachar_Committee.

We must unite all patriots, and we must be prepared to defend ourselves. Appeasement of, or prostrating to, the hegemonists is an ignoble act, for which Lhendup Dorjee later repented ruefully, but it was too late then! We will not attack, but if attacked, we must be prepared to respond appropriately depending on our own strategy and tactics!





ALI SHAHEEN'S ADVISE IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR KINDERGARTEN CHILDREN

While I appreciate Mrs Ali Shaheen's belief in peace, but I don't think,the world is always a bed of roses. That is why the Prophet had to be ready to defend against his enemis. Gandhi was killed, Jesus was killed but not the Prophet of Islam because he was a practical man.

Mr. Zoglul  Husain's reference to Hindu fundamentalist noise in India, a news published in the Amader Somoy, could well be the background noise of the Muslim killer Norendro Modi, and like in the past this time also it could be real about his followers plan to kill Indian Muslims as being Bangladeshis. In neglecting such early signs of threats in Gujrat by the advise of people like Ail Shaheen,(the know it all naïve people) that led to the lose of life in Gujrat riot.

Mrs Ali Shaheen before giving people advise should know that nations are separate entities and their survival depends on the principle of the "survival of the fittest". Fortunately there are still people like Zoglul Hussain to remind us that there could be looming dangers for Indian minorities from extremist groups. I know that knowledge is power.  I don't see any problem by Zoglul Hussain in sending us the link, even when it is during the time of Ramadan. I don't think Ramadan should be a time to act foolishly than to be on guard.

 I find Ali Sheen's advise most appropriate for Kindergarten children who receive advise from parents and teachers to behave well with their fellow members.






On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:
Spreading this kind of dangerous propaganda does not promote peace.  Instigating people to become freedom fighters because some luntatic fringe party spreads racist propaganda is not the responsible thing to do.  It is Ramadhan, please think peace.  

 
 

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Dangerous propaganda
Forwarding to you the following 'Amader Shomoy' report, which highlights the dangerous propaganda of the Indian RSS against Bangladesh, and against the Muslims, who have been referred to as 'jaban', etc.  As reported by the Amader Shomoy, this is a direct call by the RSS to kill Bangladeshis. The RSS and BJP have blood on their hands, and they are reported to have been involved in thousands of riots against Muslims, Christians and other non-Hindu victims.

We all need to be ready to become freedom fighters, in whatever capacity we can contribute, and whenever the call might come. A small nation can certainly defeat a large one, if only the small nation have unity, determination and the right strategy and tactics.

The report is as follows:
(Please click to read the Amader Shomoy report, 23 June 2015) 

(Sorry, I am unable to copy the Amader Shomoy Bangla font)




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Re: [mukto-mona] Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla)



Bande Mataram, the slogan, was used against the British. Muslim rulers became history when it was written. Common Muslims hadn't become a significant political force in Bengal. The novel in which the song became a part ends with solace that Muslim tyranny had ended and just rule by the British had come.

War cry or patriotic fervor? Isn't patriotism just another religion? As Dr. Johnson said, it is the last refuge of scoundrels.


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On Jun 28, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

War cry or patriotic fervor; but was it against the Muslims or against the British? I knew that many Muslims did not like the song because it had a distinct Hindu flavor. But I never heard of it being used against the Muslims during a riot. 



On Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:47 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Bande Mataram was indeed the war cry, like Joy Bangla, during the Swadeshi Movement, but only in Bengal not elsewhere in India.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Ali Saheen's comments appear to be childish to me. It seems like she is just arguing without substance. She needs linguistic abilities and some research about the pretexts of the song, as Farida Majid mentioned, to understand Bande Mataram. Without which, it will be misunderstood, as many people do.
Anyway, this is what I found about Bande Mataram:
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This is the summary of a lecture delivered by Sri Aurobindoin the Grand Square of the National School, Amraoti, Berar, on January 29, 1908. The meeting commenced with the singing of Bande Mataram
Bande Mataram – a mantra with hidden meaning
Song in Bengali of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee
translation by Sri Aurobindo (November 20, 1909)
Mother, I bow to thee!
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleams,
Cool with thy winds of delight,
Dark fields waving, Mother of might,
Mother free.
Glory of moonlight dreams
Over thy branches and lordly streams,
Clad in thy blossoming trees,
Mother, giver of ease,
Laughing low and sweet!
Mother, I kiss thy feet,
Speaker sweet and low!
Mother, to thee I bow.
Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands,
When the swords flash out in twice seventy million hands
And seventy millions voices roar
Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?
With many strengths who art mighty and stored,
To thee I call, Mother and Lord!
Thou who savest, arise and save!
To her I cry who ever her foemen drave
Back from plain and sea
And shook herself free.
Thou art wisdom, thou art law,
Thou our heart, our soul, our breath,
Thou the love divine, the awe
In our hearts that conquers death.
Thine the strength that nerves the arm,
Thine the beauty, thine the charm.
Every image made divine
In our temples is but thine.
Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother, lend thine ear.
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleams,
Dark of hue, O candid-fair
In thy soul, with jewelled hair
And thy glorious smile divine,
Loveliest of all earthly lands,
Showering wealth from well-stored hands!
Mother, mother mine!
Mother sweet, I bow to thee,
Mother great and free.
Sri Aurobindo said that he was exceedingly pleased to know that the song had become so popular in all parts of India and that it was being so repeatedly sung. He said that he would make this national anthem the subject of his speech.
The song, he said, was not only a national anthem to be looked on as the European nations look upon their own, but one replete with mighty power, being a sacred mantra, revealed to us by the author of "Ananda Math", who might be called an inspired Rishi. He described the manner in which the mantra had been revealed to Bankim Chandra, probably by a Sannyasi under whose teaching he was. He said that the mantra was not an invention, but a revivification of the old mantra which had become extinct, so to speak, by the treachery of one Navakishan. The mantra of Bankim Chandra was not appreciated in his own day, and he predicted that there would come a time when the whole of India would resound with the singing of the song, and the word of the prophet was miraculously fulfilled.
The meaning of the song was not understood then because there was no patriotism except such as consisted in making India the shadow of England and other countries which dazzled the sight of the sons of this our Motherland with their glory and opulence. The so-called patriots of that time might have been the well-wishers of India but not men who loved her. One who loved his mother never looked to her defects, never disregarded her as an ignorant, superstitious, degraded and decrepit woman. 
The speaker then unfolded the meaning of the song. As with the individual, so with the nation, there were three bodies or koshas, the sth's'a and k'na shariras. In this way the speaker went on clearing up the hidden meaning of the song. The manner in which he treated of love and devotion was exceedingly touching and the audience sat before him like dumb statues, not knowing where they were or whether they were listening to a prophet revealing to them the higher mysteries of life.
He then concluded with a most pathetic appeal to true patriotism and exhorted the audience to love the Motherland and sacrifice everything to bring about her salvation.
First published in "Bande Mataram", January 29, 1908

 

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [mukto-mona] Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla)

 
Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla) - so says Farida Majid in a post June 26, 2015, in the Mukto-Mona forum. Let me quote her, "I had posted a long, well-researched, linguistically analyzed article on Bankim's Bande Mataram, supporting the claim that the text of the song had nothing against Muslims, and in fact INCLUDES Muslims (as arithmetical half) as part of Bangla Ma's 'sontan'."
 
She also complained that Dr. Kamal Das, Dr. Jiten Roy and I did not remember her article. Let me say sorry to her for not remembering her article; I am actually not very good at remembering anything.
 
However, let me advise her that the three gentlemen's name she mentioned know that Bande Mataram is not a hate-song against the Muslims. I personally would not propose it in its entirety to be the national anthem of a pluralistic India. For that purpose, I would expunge the fourth and fifth stanzas, where Hindu deities and temples are invoked. As I wrote before, I can understand that many Muslims would not like this song as the national anthem; but this song certainly was not used for actually hating or hurting the Muslims.
 
The point is not really if the above three persons remember Ms. Majid's article. Ms. Majid needs to educate people like Ali Shaheen and the worse creatures in the forums and elsewhere.
 
BTW: Ms. Majid also did not like my statement that "she masquerades as a rational human being, but in reality her mind is subservient to the prescriptions of her religion, which obviously she cannot hide. I feel pity for her kind of people who, in spite of a good deal of academic accomplishment in humanities/sciences, remain captive to the stupidity and hatred of their religions."
 
Let me challenge Ms. Majid to prove me wrong. Ms. Majid, could you cite some verses in the Quran that should be actually discarded/disregarded? You need to tell the Muslims unequivocally, "these verses in the Quran are wrong; do not follow them."
 
Again, let me be clear that irrespective of what verses of the Quran are wrong and need to be discarded/disregarded, I wish nothing but the best for the Muslims. (That obviously means that I want them to live in an environment where they and the non-Muslims would treat each other with justice, dignity, human rights, citizenship rights, etc. - all the good things that all humans wish for themselves).
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} RE: Humanity & Religion



According to Ronald Inden, caste system in India was a consequence of Turkish rule. Islam is riddled with castes; Arab(enlightened) and Azam(blind). Zia al din Barani, a contemporary of Tughlaq, strongly defended casteism in Islam. There were about four hundred in his time. I hope Syed Haque is the famous Syed Shamsul Haque. Would he explain why there are so many Syeds in this subcontinent and none in Arabia?

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On Jun 29, 2015, at 4:39 AM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

"Would you agree Dalits didn't want to migrate out of East and West Pakistan to avoid subjugation by the higher class Hindus?" -Haque

Higher caste Hindus is a myth and has become a lame excuse to portray Islam as some kind of religion with equality. And nobody buys it except the Muslims of course. If Modi can become PM of India, any @ss with good leadership can do that too. Mr. Haque should check Jogen Mondol's life story before he sheds crocodile tears for dallits. Mr. Mondol and his community voted for Pakistan but ironically, had to move to West Bengal for safety. He learned the lesson very hard way by being blind sided by Islam's equality which is nothing but a mirage.  Mr. Haque should definitely read Mondol's famous letter (Resignation letter of Jogendra Nath Mandal - Wikisource, the free online library) to know the truth before he goes for more BS. Dallits had illusion about Islam and it did not take more than few handful years to figure out the pain of living under a Muslim majority where not even all Muslims were equal. Famous cricketer Imran Khan was on record to pass a derogatory comment about Muslim Bengalees (being short and dark skinned) right before the onset of 71 war. Mr. Haque is totally oblivious about recent killing of Shias and Ahmedias in Pakistan and Arab countries. Would Shias and Ahmedias would migrate to Pakistan and Bangladesh or any Sunni countries? Is there any Islamic country which is not racist? Does this man understand what he is talking about?
 




On Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:06 PM, "Syed Haque syedhaque@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr. Bain,

Thanks for your response.

You mentioned:

"You talk about poverty and economic deprivation. What religious group do you think has the highest number of millionaire barbarians in the world? For one example, were the 9/11 suicide bombers poor Muslims? Were they the kind of people that treated the poor African/Bangladeshi Muslims as their brothers/sisters? You can find many other examples, including in our subcontinent, where hate-mongers are not poor people."

If you look at the extremists, who are engaged in religious violence on the ground, most of them are not not the sons and daughters of kings and queens. They are the underdogs of the society. Look at Taliban, most of them cannot even afford to have more than one meal a day. Who created them? 

Those 9/11 killers came from the countries where dictatorial form of brutal government was imposed by the imperialist powers for decades - no representation, no rights.  Here are a few questions I would like to pose:

1) Would you agree Modi was involved (may be indirectly) in killing of thousands of innocent Muslims? He was a poor Dailt but could had been persuaded by the powerful and wealthy Hindu extremists. 

2) Would you agree Dalits didn't want to migrate out of East and West Pakistan to avoid subjugation by the higher class Hindus? 

3) Would you agree powerful and upper class Hindus silenced Dailt (Ambedkar) movement? 
 
4) Would you agree rights of the Palestinian people have had shattered for decades and that is a pressure point for all Muslims?

The world is very complex, and we can go round and round about who should do what. This wouldn't take us anywhere unless we try to contemplate both end of the spectrum. 

Yes, I agree we need to give the right momentum to our young generation so they are able to abandon violence and mustn't take this approach as a resort to make their voice heard.


That's all for now.

Best Regards,

SH   


Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:44:17 +0000
From: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: Humanity & Religion

So, Mr. Haque, what you are saying is that nobody blames Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism for the atrocities committed by people that are Christians, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists, respectively; but that people blame Islam for crimes committed by Muslims. I believe you are mostly correct with your observation. But what do you make out of that? When all the other groups blame Islam, you would be wrong to assume that they all are enemies of Islam; you need to look at Islam objectively to see why people blame Islam. I am sure, if you were objective, you would not have any problem seeing that Islam does promote injustice, raw hatred and barbaric behavior. In fact most other religions also have injustice and foolish/hateful edicts in them. But the difference between most of the Muslims and most of the non-Muslims is that the Muslims want to follow Islam in its entirety, and the non-Muslims are quite good at dumping a lot of the garbage of their religions.
 
It might sound harsh to you, but as a Muslim, you are in reality no one to look down upon any other kind of religious group.
 
You talk about poverty and economic deprivation. What religious group do you think has the highest number of millionaire barbarians in the world? For one example, were the 9/11 suicide bombers poor Muslims? Were they the kind of people that treated the poor African/Bangladeshi Muslims as their brothers/sisters? You can find many other examples, including in our subcontinent, where hate-mongers are not poor people.
 
Look, for example, Narendra Modi was from a Dalit community and a very poor family. He did not become one of the most powerful leaders of the world through hating the so-called high-caste Hindus, or through a country for his own kind. There are numerous examples in the world where good and honest hard work and dedication improved life tremendously. In the long-run hatred does not help anyone or any community, including the hate-mongers and their communities.
 
Wishing everyone good sense,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Sunday, June 28, 2015 4:13 AM, Syed Haque <syedhaque@hotmail.com> wrote:


Mr. Bain you raised a good point, and I wouldn't look down on someone just because he/she is not a Muslim and that's not what Islam teaches.
 
Perhaps we need to look at the root cause of the violence in the name of religion. Honestly speaking, economic, social and political deprivation can beget crime. Dictators and hegemonic powers make those criminals as their scapegoats.
 
Group like ISIS which commit heinous crime in the name of Islam does not fit within the definition of the follower of Islam.
 
There are so many peace-loving Muslims in the world. In fact, Islam does not promote violence whatsoever, but ask you to fight back just to establish justice but never allows transgression whatsoever. It also asks to learn to forgive if this stops tribulation, turmoil and bloodbath. 
 
Please be advised that thousands of innocent Jews were killed by  Christian Hitler,  but nobody blamed Christianity, hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese were killed by Christians but nobody blamed Christianity, thousands of innocent Sikhs, Muslims and Christians were killed by Hindus but nobody blamed Hinduism, thousands of innocent Rohingyas were killed by Buddhist Monks, but nobody blamed Buddhism, then why Islam.    
 
You can level me "deceptive" or "ignorant" or whatever you like; still, I can't make you believe Islam does not promote hatred and you are entitled to your opinion, and I respect your opinion. 
 
Best Regards,
 
SH
 

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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: Humanity & Religion

On Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:19 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


So, Mr. Haque, "Hindu extremists", "Christian extremists" and Buddhist extremists"; but "so called Muslim extremists"; really?? You can be ignorant or deceptive; but the reality is that the world knows that when it comes to extremism, Muslims are the champion.
 
Your four points have nothing to do with any of the religion being good or bad. However, when it comes to the fundamentals, Buddhism is the best religion. The other three have varying degrees of injustice and hatred in them. Of course, that does not mean that a Buddhist would be always better than a Muslim/Hindu/Christian (as people do not exactly follow their religion).
 
SuBain
 
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On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:07 PM, Syed Haque <syedhaque@hotmail.com> wrote:


Humanity & Religion

1)    Do Hindu extremists humiliate, kill and rape people of other faiths? Yes they do.


2)    Do Christian extremists humiliate, kill and rape people of other faiths? Yes they do.


3)    Do Buddhists extremists humiliate, kill and rape people of other faiths? Yes they do


4)    Do so called Muslim extremists humiliate and kill people of other faiths? Yes they do.

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Does this mean all religions are bad or just Islam is bad?

Muslims have been maltreated and slaughtered since the time of the Prophet (SAW/PBUH). 

1) Don't forget the bloodbath in 1947 where thousands of people suffered profound losses. 
2) Don't forget the bloodbath in Bosnia where thousands of Muslims suffered profound losses.
3) Don't forget the bloodbath during crusade
4) Don't forget the bloodbath in Iraq
5) Don't forget the bloodbath in Afghanistan

 
Yet again, "….there is no place for extremism and terrorism in Islam as it teaches peace and harmony."

"…..those involved in terrorist activities are not Muslims and they are only misleading the young generation by killing people in the name of Jihad."

"British Army Brigadier Paul Carkner told that he has also gone through the major clauses of Islam religion and declared that the teachings of Prophet (SAW/PBUH) are for the betterment of humanity."

Peace!

Regards,

SH
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