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Saturday, November 20, 2010

[ALOCHONA] Re: The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?

No one said they loved Pakistan. Though if you love India you should just declare it. Don't be shy.

No one said Indians were massacring Bangladeshis. Though if you don't mind ur border killings just say so. Don't be shy.

No one said the Pakistanis were loving masters. Though if you think the Indians are loving masters just say so. Don't be shy.

The Pakistan yoke has switched for an Indian yoke. Its a simple statement. Your hatred for the Pakistanis is such that you wouldn't mind being savaged by an Indian -

just as long as you are not being savaged by a Pakistani.


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for letting us know, ...
> .
> * ... Indian Army is everywhere in B.D. looting, raping and killing us since you claim, we just replaced Paki Yoke with Indian Yoke.
> * ... we are now India Occupied.
> * ... our Politicians working for India are now abusing us, when our loving Paki Masters never had such Politicians.
>
> Please let us know, if now you want to replace India with Pakistan so we can send you to a Mental Hospital of choice ...! One in B.D. or the big one, Pakistan.
> -------
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@> wrote:
> >
> > While we are at it the war of 1971 was neither a civil war nor a war of liberation. It was a change in yoke only - India for Pakistan. Unless having a flag is the definition of freedom!
> >
> > Mind you, the way our politicians abuse us and the way we accept nee encourage and defend that abuse either there is an epidemic of Stockholm Syndrome or we are literally little more than cattle.
> >
> >
> > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "ezajur" <Ezajur@>
> > Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:27:54
> > To: <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> >
> > What's with the "you people" business? Contempt for AL hoodlums and idiots does not always automatically translate into support for the hoodlums and idiots of other parties. Unless of course one is a hoodlum or idiot of AL and BNP in the first place.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh sure and you people never chant any slogans, never come on streets and never vandalize. You just sit in your Mosques and pray for man-kind everyday, right?
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This calls for an Awami League "missil" surely? They can burn cars, buses, books and fight running battles with a few policemen (unlikely) and chant great slogans about Mujib and his dynasty. In fact, anything but....
> > > >
> > > > ....lodge any kind of meaningful protest with these respected academics and publishers.
> > > >
> > > > After all, who apart from themselves would take any of their drivel seriously??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "Mahbubur Razzaque" <mmrazzaque@>
> > > > Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:48:00
> > > > To: <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Reply-To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Cc: <banglarnari@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > > >
> > > > The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > > >
> > > > M. Mahbubur Razzaque
> > > >
> > > > The recent incidents related to the international war-crime tribunal in
> > > > Bangladesh led me to look into the academic records on the war of 1971.
> > > > Though the Bangladeshi people considers the war as "liberation war" of
> > > > Bangladesh, the academic records of all international institutions generally
> > > > mentions it as either civil war or India-Pakistan war.
> > > >
> > > > I browsed a number of popular encyclopedia such as:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Encyclopedia Britannica of Encyclopedia Britannica Inc.,
> > > >
> > > > 2. World Encyclopedia, A Dictionary of World History, The Oxford
> > > > Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World and Concise Oxford Companion to the
> > > > English Language of Oxford University Press,
> > > >
> > > > 3. The Columbia Encyclopedia of Columbia University Press,
> > > >
> > > > 4. Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh of the Asiatic
> > > > Society of Bangladesh and
> > > >
> > > > 5. MSN Encarta of Microsoft Inc.
> > > >
> > > > The records under the entry Bangladesh are listed below:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Bangladesh emerged as an independent and sovereign country on 16
> > > > December 1971 following a nine month WAR OF LIBERATION.
> > > >
> > > > Source: Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh, Vol. 1, Published
> > > > by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh, March 2003.
> > > >
> > > > 2. In 1971, the territory seceded from Pakistan during a short war
> > > > and became independent.
> > > >
> > > > Source: Concise Oxford Companion to the English Language, 1998, Author: TOM
> > > > McARTHUR
> > > >
> > > > 3. The Awami League a political party campaigned openly for
> > > > Bengali autonomy. In 1970 the Awami League won a majority of seats in the
> > > > National Assembly, but the Pakistan government postponed convening the
> > > > Assembly. Violence erupted and guerrilla warfare resulted. Millions of
> > > > refugees fled to India, which finally entered the war on the side of the
> > > > Bengalis and ensured West Pakistan's defeat. On December, 16, 1971, East
> > > > Bengal became the independent nation of Bangladesh, with the capital at
> > > > Dhaka.
> > > > S
> > > > ource: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 1, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > >
> > > > 4. In 1970 elections, the Awami League, led by Mujibur Rahman, won a
> > > > landslide victory. In March 1971, the League unilaterally declared
> > > > independence and civil war ensued. During nine months of fighting, more than
> > > > one million East Bengalis were killed and millions more forced into exile,
> > > > mainly to India. With Indian military assistance, East Bengal defeated
> > > > Pakistan and gained independence as Bangladesh.
> > > >
> > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > 5. In 1966 the Awami League put forward a demand for greater
> > > > autonomy which it proposed to implement after its victory in the 1970
> > > > elections. In March 1971, when this demand was rejected by the military
> > > > government of Pakistan, civil war began, leading to a massive exodus of
> > > > refugees to India. India sent help to the East Pakistan guerrillas (the
> > > > Mukti Bahini). In the war of December 1971, Indian troops defeated the
> > > > Pakistan forces in East Pakistan. The independence of Bangladesh was
> > > > proclaimed in 1971 and recognized by Pakistan in 1974.
> > > >
> > > > Source: A Dictionary of World History, Published by Oxford University Press,
> > > > 2000.
> > > >
> > > > 6. The government's attempts to forestall the autonomy bid led to
> > > > general strikes and nonpayment of taxes in East Pakistan and finally to
> > > > civil war on Mar. 25, 1971. On the following day the Awami League's leaders
> > > > proclaimed the independence of Bangladesh. During the months of conflict an
> > > > estimated one million Bengalis were killed in East Pakistan and another 10
> > > > million fled into exile in India.
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > > >
> > > > 7. By the mid 1950s Bengali enthusiasm for the Muslim League, which
> > > > had spearheaded Pakistani independence, became deeply eroded. The growing
> > > > rift between Pakistan's eastern and western wings broke into rebellion in
> > > > 1971, and, led by the secular nationalist Awami League, an independent
> > > > Bangladesh was born.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World, Vol. 1: Editor
> > > > in chief: J. L.
> > > > Esposito, Published by: Oxford University Press, 1995.
> > > >
> > > > Whether we like it or not, it is only the Banglapedia where the war of at
> > > > the birth of Bangladesh is reported as the WAR OF LIBERATION. This
> > > > encyclopedia is published by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh.
> > > > Unfortunately other encyclopedias published by famous academic publishers
> > > > associated with renowned academic institutions reported the war as either a
> > > > civil war or a rebellion.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The records of other entries under Mujibur Rahman, Dhaka, India, Pakistan
> > > > and India Pakistan Wars are listed below:
> > > >
> > > > Entry: Mujibur RahmanThe conflict between East and West Pakistan climaxed
> > > > after the Dec., 1970, elections, in which the Awami League won a majority.
> > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto , leader of West Pakistan, refused to agree to demands
> > > > for autonomy, and Mujib was imprisoned in West Pakistan. Civil war broke out
> > > > in Mar., 1971, when Pakistani troops were sent to put down protests in East
> > > > Pakistan. With the aid of India, East Pakistani guerrillas proclaimed an
> > > > independent Bangladesh , and defeated the Pakistani army in late 1971.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > > >
> > > > Entry: Dhaka
> > > > Severely damaged during the war of independence from Pakistan, it became
> > > > capital of independent Bangladesh (1971).
> > > >
> > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > Entry: India
> > > > But these years also witnessed three brief wars between India and Pakistan,
> > > > the last of which resulted in an independent Bangladesh in 1971.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 6, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > >
> > > > Entry: Pakistan:
> > > > In East Pakistan demands grew for Bengali autonomy, and civil war between
> > > > East and West erupted in 1971. Aided by an invasion of the Indian army, East
> > > > Pakistan became the independent county of Bangladesh in 1972.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 9, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > >
> > > > East Pakistan declared its independence as Bangladesh on Mar. 26, 1971, but
> > > > was then placed under martial law and occupied by the Pakistani army, which
> > > > was composed entirely of troops from West Pakistan. In the ensuing civil
> > > > war, some 10 million refugees fled to India and hundreds of thousands of
> > > > civilians were killed. India supported Bangladesh and on Dec. 3, 1971, sent
> > > > troops into East Pakistan. Following a two-week war between Pakistan and
> > > > India, in which fighting also broke out along the India-West Pakistan
> > > > border, Pakistani troops in East Pakistan surrendered (Dec. 16) and a cease-
> > > > fire was declared on all fronts.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > > >
> > > > Entry: India-Pakistan Wars The third war arose out of the civil war between
> > > > East and West Pakistan in 1971. India intervened in support of East Pakistan
> > > > (Bangladesh), and (West) Pakistan suffered a decisive defeat.
> > > >
> > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > The 1971 War
> > > >
> > > > Indo-Pakistani relations deteriorated when civil war erupted in Pakistan,
> > > > pitting the West Pakistan army against East Pakistanis demanding greater
> > > > autonomy. The fighting forced 10 million East Pakistani Bengalis to flee to
> > > > India.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > > >
> > > > Article: Pakistan : wars : secession of Bangladesh: 1971: Pakistan
> > > > This year the differences between East Pakistan and West Pakistan erupted
> > > > into a civil war that claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands in the
> > > > eastern part of the country, which is divided from West Pakistan by 1,000
> > > > miles and by profound differences in culture and language.
> > > >
> > > > Source: MSN Encarta
> > > > http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=Bangladesh+war
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Other than in the entry Dhaka in the World Encyclopedia of Oxford University
> > > > Press, the liberation war of Bangladesh is described as a civil war. It may
> > > > be concluded that Bangladesh has failed to make majority of the academicians
> > > > of the west recognize Bangladesh liberation war in the academic records.
> > > >
> > > >
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[ALOCHONA] Re: The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?



Obviously no chance of me shutting up. Especially not when the pickings are so ripe and so easy.

Your second reply is far better than your first. But even your second reply falls short. Because nothing is sacred in Bangladesh.

1971 was a Liberation War and a Civil War and a War of Independence and a War of Seccession. However I think it was called Liberation War first by some people who were rather enamoured of the PLO. Plain marketing. No problem.

It was a Civil war because it was a war taking place within the same country. The people of East Bengal were not 'forced' to join Pakistan - rather they fully participated in its creation. It was a dysfunctional country at best but a country nevertheless. Those who have a real problem with the term Civil War do so because they want to maintain the ultra hype that is rampant in Bangladesh. War crimes can be committed in any Civil War by any side. And its not like the murdering and rapes were going on since 1947. Though the ultra hypers like to suggest so.

You can call the war what you want. It was a war of liberation. But the rest of the world, as usual, will make up its own mind about what the facts of our history are - because our politicians, and politicised historians and commentators can't be trusted with the facts. It's hilarious that the rest of the world calls it a civil war. Its quite in keeping with our track record.

 

 

 

 


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@...> wrote:
>
> In the 1st war ever to be called 'Civil War', USA's Army had fought against seceding Confederate's Army, who sat in the same Parliament before that.
> It has nothing common with 1971.
> 1857 Rebellion was called Liberation War before your grandfathers were born and 1971 was similar to that so shut up. 1971 was not a Civil War.
> Army does not start looting, raping and killing un-armed innocent people in a Civil War like Pak Army. There was nothing 'Civil' about West Pakistan attacking majority of Pakistanis because Army was made up of West Pakistani Punjabis, who's ancestors had opposed formation of Pakistan.
> --------
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" Ezajur@ wrote:
> >
> > What's with the "you people" business? Contempt for AL hoodlums and idiots does not always automatically translate into support for the hoodlums and idiots of other parties. Unless of course one is a hoodlum or idiot of AL and BNP in the first place.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh sure and you people never chant any slogans, never come on streets and never vandalize. You just sit in your Mosques and pray for man-kind everyday, right?
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This calls for an Awami League "missil" surely? They can burn cars, buses, books and fight running battles with a few policemen (unlikely) and chant great slogans about Mujib and his dynasty. In fact, anything but....
> > > >
> > > > ....lodge any kind of meaningful protest with these respected academics and publishers.
> > > >
> > > > After all, who apart from themselves would take any of their drivel seriously??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "Mahbubur Razzaque" <mmrazzaque@>
> > > > Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:48:00
> > > > To: dahuk@yahoogroups.com; alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Reply-To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Cc: banglarnari@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > > >
> > > > The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > > >
> > > > M. Mahbubur Razzaque
> > > >
> > > > The recent incidents related to the international war-crime tribunal in
> > > > Bangladesh led me to look into the academic records on the war of 1971.
> > > > Though the Bangladeshi people considers the war as "liberation war" of
> > > > Bangladesh, the academic records of all international institutions generally
> > > > mentions it as either civil war or India-Pakistan war.
> > > >
> > > > I browsed a number of popular encyclopedia such as:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Encyclopedia Britannica of Encyclopedia Britannica Inc.,
> > > >
> > > > 2. World Encyclopedia, A Dictionary of World History, The Oxford
> > > > Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World and Concise Oxford Companion to the
> > > > English Language of Oxford University Press,
> > > >
> > > > 3. The Columbia Encyclopedia of Columbia University Press,
> > > >
> > > > 4. Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh of the Asiatic
> > > > Society of Bangladesh and
> > > >
> > > > 5. MSN Encarta of Microsoft Inc.
> > > >
> > > > The records under the entry Bangladesh are listed below:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Bangladesh emerged as an independent and sovereign country on 16
> > > > December 1971 following a nine month WAR OF LIBERATION.
> > > >
> > > > Source: Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh, Vol. 1, Published
> > > > by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh, March 2003.
> > > >
> > > > 2. In 1971, the territory seceded from Pakistan during a short war
> > > > and became independent.
> > > >
> > > > Source: Concise Oxford Companion to the English Language, 1998, Author: TOM
> > > > McARTHUR
> > > >
> > > > 3. The Awami League a political party campaigned openly for
> > > > Bengali autonomy. In 1970 the Awami League won a majority of seats in the
> > > > National Assembly, but the Pakistan government postponed convening the
> > > > Assembly. Violence erupted and guerrilla warfare resulted. Millions of
> > > > refugees fled to India, which finally entered the war on the side of the
> > > > Bengalis and ensured West Pakistan's defeat. On December, 16, 1971, East
> > > > Bengal became the independent nation of Bangladesh, with the capital at
> > > > Dhaka.
> > > > S
> > > > ource: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 1, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > >
> > > > 4. In 1970 elections, the Awami League, led by Mujibur Rahman, won a
> > > > landslide victory. In March 1971, the League unilaterally declared
> > > > independence and civil war ensued. During nine months of fighting, more than
> > > > one million East Bengalis were killed and millions more forced into exile,
> > > > mainly to India. With Indian military assistance, East Bengal defeated
> > > > Pakistan and gained independence as Bangladesh.
> > > >
> > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > 5. In 1966 the Awami League put forward a demand for greater
> > > > autonomy which it proposed to implement after its victory in the 1970
> > > > elections. In March 1971, when this demand was rejected by the military
> > > > government of Pakistan, civil war began, leading to a massive exodus of
> > > > refugees to India. India sent help to the East Pakistan guerrillas (the
> > > > Mukti Bahini). In the war of December 1971, Indian troops defeated the
> > > > Pakistan forces in East Pakistan. The independence of Bangladesh was
> > > > proclaimed in 1971 and recognized by Pakistan in 1974.
> > > >
> > > > Source: A Dictionary of World History, Published by Oxford University Press,
> > > > 2000.
> > > >
> > > > 6. The government's attempts to forestall the autonomy bid led to
> > > > general strikes and nonpayment of taxes in East Pakistan and finally to
> > > > civil war on Mar. 25, 1971. On the following day the Awami League's leaders
> > > > proclaimed the independence of Bangladesh. During the months of conflict an
> > > > estimated one million Bengalis were killed in East Pakistan and another 10
> > > > million fled into exile in India.
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > > >
> > > > 7. By the mid 1950s Bengali enthusiasm for the Muslim League, which
> > > > had spearheaded Pakistani independence, became deeply eroded. The growing
> > > > rift between Pakistan's eastern and western wings broke into rebellion in
> > > > 1971, and, led by the secular nationalist Awami League, an independent
> > > > Bangladesh was born.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World, Vol. 1: Editor
> > > > in chief: J. L.
> > > > Esposito, Published by: Oxford University Press, 1995.
> > > >
> > > > Whether we like it or not, it is only the Banglapedia where the war of at
> > > > the birth of Bangladesh is reported as the WAR OF LIBERATION. This
> > > > encyclopedia is published by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh.
> > > > Unfortunately other encyclopedias published by famous academic publishers
> > > > associated with renowned academic institutions reported the war as either a
> > > > civil war or a rebellion.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The records of other entries under Mujibur Rahman, Dhaka, India, Pakistan
> > > > and India Pakistan Wars are listed below:
> > > >
> > > > Entry: Mujibur RahmanThe conflict between East and West Pakistan climaxed
> > > > after the Dec., 1970, elections, in which the Awami League won a majority.
> > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto , leader of West Pakistan, refused to agree to demands
> > > > for autonomy, and Mujib was imprisoned in West Pakistan. Civil war broke out
> > > > in Mar., 1971, when Pakistani troops were sent to put down protests in East
> > > > Pakistan. With the aid of India, East Pakistani guerrillas proclaimed an
> > > > independent Bangladesh , and defeated the Pakistani army in late 1971.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > > >
> > > > Entry: Dhaka
> > > > Severely damaged during the war of independence from Pakistan, it became
> > > > capital of independent Bangladesh (1971).
> > > >
> > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > Entry: India
> > > > But these years also witnessed three brief wars between India and Pakistan,
> > > > the last of which resulted in an independent Bangladesh in 1971.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 6, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > >
> > > > Entry: Pakistan:
> > > > In East Pakistan demands grew for Bengali autonomy, and civil war between
> > > > East and West erupted in 1971. Aided by an invasion of the Indian army, East
> > > > Pakistan became the independent county of Bangladesh in 1972.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 9, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > >
> > > > East Pakistan declared its independence as Bangladesh on Mar. 26, 1971, but
> > > > was then placed under martial law and occupied by the Pakistani army, which
> > > > was composed entirely of troops from West Pakistan. In the ensuing civil
> > > > war, some 10 million refugees fled to India and hundreds of thousands of
> > > > civilians were killed. India supported Bangladesh and on Dec. 3, 1971, sent
> > > > troops into East Pakistan. Following a two-week war between Pakistan and
> > > > India, in which fighting also broke out along the India-West Pakistan
> > > > border, Pakistani troops in East Pakistan surrendered (Dec. 16) and a cease-
> > > > fire was declared on all fronts.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > > >
> > > > Entry: India-Pakistan Wars The third war arose out of the civil war between
> > > > East and West Pakistan in 1971. India intervened in support of East Pakistan
> > > > (Bangladesh), and (West) Pakistan suffered a decisive defeat.
> > > >
> > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > The 1971 War
> > > >
> > > > Indo-Pakistani relations deteriorated when civil war erupted in Pakistan,
> > > > pitting the West Pakistan army against East Pakistanis demanding greater
> > > > autonomy. The fighting forced 10 million East Pakistani Bengalis to flee to
> > > > India.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > > >
> > > > Article: Pakistan : wars : secession of Bangladesh: 1971: Pakistan
> > > > This year the differences between East Pakistan and West Pakistan erupted
> > > > into a civil war that claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands in the
> > > > eastern part of the country, which is divided from West Pakistan by 1,000
> > > > miles and by profound differences in culture and language.
> > > >
> > > > Source: MSN Encarta
> > > > http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=Bangladesh+war
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Other than in the entry Dhaka in the World Encyclopedia of Oxford University
> > > > Press, the liberation war of Bangladesh is described as a civil war. It may
> > > > be concluded that Bangladesh has failed to make majority of the academicians
> > > > of the west recognize Bangladesh liberation war in the academic records.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Dubai - A Filipina maid and her Bangladeshi lover will receive 100 lashes

Why do they dare to lash them if Bangladeshi?

And would further investigation reveal that the Bangladeshi Embassy had done more for the charged than the Philipino Embassy?

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> They would not dare lash them if they were white Europeans or Americans
>
>
> Foreign couple to be lashed for sex in UAE
> By Agence France Presse (AFP)
> Tuesday, November 16, 2010
> http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=121596#ixzz15TirMBDc
>
> DUBAI: A Filipina maid and her Bangladeshi lover will receive 100 lashes and be deported for having sex out of wedlock in Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates, a newspaper said Monday.
>
> The Sharjah Sharia Court ordered the Filipina to be lashed 100 times and deported for “unlawful sex,” said the Gulf News report. The Bangladeshi would be lashed for adultery and jailed for a year for entering the house belonging to the Filipina’s sponsor without permission before being deported.
>
> Foreign workers in most Gulf states must be sponsored by an employer to work in the country. In some cases, employers hold the worker’s passport and can deny permission to change jobs.
>
> The Filipina’s sponsor saw her lover leaving the house and reported it to police, Gulf News said, adding the two admitted to having sex after their arrest.
>
> The report said Muslim foreigners who commit adultery are lashed and deported, while non-Muslims are jailed and deported. Both the Filipina and the Bangladeshi are Muslims, it said.
>
> The UAE aims to be an international business and tourism hub and relies heavily on foreign workers, but also seeks to maintain traditional mores. â€" AFP
>


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[ALOCHONA] Just another Sunday in Bangladesh.

Headlines for today. Just another Sunday in Bangladesh.
But then we should not complain.
Our population can easily absorb one young girl committing suicide everyday due to harassment.

Lets just work with what we've got. Keep silent and hope for the best.

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

NEW AGE Sunday 21/11/10

Large dropouts in JSC, JDC exams stun many

Officers busy lobbying for promotion

Hasina leaves for tri-nation tour today

Girl commits suicide over harassment

» 4 of a family die in microbus cylinder explosion fire
» Armed Forces Day today
» Mir Shawkat Ali dead
» Hartal rumour spread by govt: BNP
» Businessman killed in city
» Dhaka hopes COP-16 will deliver green fund
» No one can hamper dev by creating anarchy: Ashraful
» Five injured in gunfight between rival groups in Khagrachari
» One killed, 50 hurt in N'ganj clash
» Court seeks police report on bomb hurling at CJ house by Dec 30
» Security beefed up in capital
» BCL leader shot dead in Cox's Bazar


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[ALOCHONA] Banquo’s Ghost



Banquo's Ghost
  
Humayun Gauhar
 
Pakistan Today
November 21, 2010
 
Unlike Bengal, there are only a few ways to get into Afghanistan, but like Bengal, there is no way to get out, except with one's tail between one's legs. Ask the British. Ask the Russians. Surprise is, the British have gone in again to ingratiate themselves with their American masters and also because they still suffer from Imperial delusions, even though they are on the brink of a collapsed economy. Some people love getting a beating.
 
America's plan for Afghanistan should have been in five phases, namely, clear, hold, rebuild, transfer and withdraw. They could then still have retained the sort of influence in the country that they wanted, including using it as a monitoring-cum-rapid deployment base as well as controlling access to potential gas pipeline routes. Let us see their report card.
 
Clear: All America has managed is regime change by toppling the Taliban regime and putting Al Qaeda on the run. No more. The regime they have put in its place is ineffective, to say the least. They have not been able to destroy either the Taliban or Al Qaeda or even kill or capture their leaders, Mullah Omar or Osama Bin Laden, though some American sources contend that Bin Laden was killed in Tora Bora on December 13, 2001, which is not unlikely, but we have no confirmation of it. In any case, dead or alive, both Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have become metaphors and it matters little whether he is dead or alive or how disabled Al Qaeda is. It is too late for America to complete this first phase of the job now. However, it does seem that Al Qaeda may have shifted, or is in the process of shifting, its main base of operations to Yemen, which means further trouble for Saudi Arabia, just as proximity to the Afghan Taliban has caused so much trouble for Pakistan.
 
Hold: All America has is a tenuous hold over Kabul and certain Pushtun areas in southern Afghanistan where they mostly hide in their military bases. Yes, they have a hold on the minority non-Pushtun Northern Alliance areas mostly north of the Hindu Kush. The official line is that the Taliban control 25 percent of southern Afghanistan but their reach is greater, as they are an effective mobile guerilla force that doesn't really need static bases.
 
Rebuild: Since America has failed to hold most of Afghanistan, it can hardly rebuild there. They may have spent a lot of money but they have rebuilt nothing. Their giving a lot of the rebuilding process to India makes matters worse, for a) it alienates vital Pakistan, without which American-NATO forces cannot get out of Afghanistan in one piece, and, b) India is interested less in rebuilding and more in wielding greater influence in Afghanistan than Pakistan (and thereby China) after the US-NATO withdrawal. It will only destabilize the region further, instead of bringing stability.
 
Transfer: Only after the rebuilding process can power be transferred to an acceptable, effective and preferably representative Afghan government. All they have now is a government headed by a Pushtun stooge installed as president after a dubious election while effective power over the central government still resides with America and even more power resides with the Taliban in the southern regions of Afghanistan. Such a government cannot deliver anything but grief. Their only 'success' is that the stooge's brother has become the world's largest heroin smuggler.
 
Withdraw: Herein lies a most interesting question, the answer to which will provide us with our most vital assumption. Does America really want to withdraw from Afghanistan? And what does it mean by withdrawal? I think America means somebody pulling their chestnuts out of the fire, which has to be Pakistan. However, they could make this a non-starter if they insist on including India and Iran in it. They certainly want to withdraw fighting troops from there and retain only a strike force, as they do in Germany, but still want Afghanistan to remain within their orbit of influence. They don't want to lose Afghanistan and thereby their regional base for monitoring, intelligence and sabotage nor control of pipeline routes. What better location could provide a base for them? From Afghanistan, they can monitor China and create trouble there as in Xinjiang recently and Russia too. They can also monitor and be able to rapidly deploy troops to South Asia, Central Asia, Iran and the Middle East. The only better base for them would be Pakistan itself, with three huge ports, multiple air bases and runways and its much better infrastructure, particularly roads and motorways. But Pakistan is not Afghanistan and making it into such a monitoring, intelligence and rapid deployment base is a bigger tale than any America has dreamed so far, unless, of course, Pakistan lets it, which too is not outside the realm of possibility. It depends on the amount of desperation and the amount of money offered.
 
Philip Crowley, US State Department spokesman said as much on the eve of NATO's Lisbon summit, that his country wished to hand over security duties to Afghanistan by 2014 and withdraw its own troops from the line of fire, but certainly not abandon the region or Pakistan or Afghanistan in 2014. Why else would they be building such a huge embassy, runways and bases there, if not for the long term? Oddly, while only those contributing troops to ISAF have been invited to Lisbon, Pakistan, which holds the key, is not there in any capacity. Said an analyst of the RIA Novosti newswire: "Much like Banquo's ghost in Shakespeare's Macbeth, Pakistan will be present in the Lisbon summit – uninvited and invisible to all except the US."
 
In trying to find a solution to the Afghan imbroglio we have to start with keeping five things in mind:
 
1. America wants to withdraw fighting troops from there, only retaining a rapid deployment force, as in Germany. America wants to retain a base there for monitoring, intelligence and sabotage purposes.
 
2. America wants Afghanistan to eject Al Qaeda from the country at all costs, otherwise no deal.
 
3. The above two demands will depend on the new leadership that replaces Karzai. It will have to have the proportionally correct representation from the minority Northern Alliance to be meaningful and effective so that it is taken seriously. One of America's biggest mistakes was that they didn't listen to Pakistan and effectively let the Northern Alliance wield power in the Karzai government, something that was hardly likely to placate, leave alone co-opt, the majority Pushtun.
 
4. Where will such a leadership come from? That brings us face-to-face with America's second demand: throw Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan. That's not easy. Mullah Omar's position was inflexible before the US invasion; it most certainly will have hardened by now. Ways will have to be found to marginalize him and ensure that the leadership of the Taliban falls into less inflexible hands. That's easier said than done, certainly not as long as Mullah Omar is alive and able.
 
5. Supposing Pakistan succeeds in achieving the above, troops only from their army and other Muslim armies selected by Pakistan must be sent to Afghanistan not only to keep the peace but also to undertake security assurance, protection and even policing duties, if necessary. Troops from Iran means mischief with the Northern Alliance. Troops from India will mean the immediate exit of Pakistan, and without Pakistan, there can be no solution.
 
We have to remember: America, NATO, Karzai, India and Iran are part of the problem. Pakistan and the Taliban are part of the solution. So long as US-NATO forces remain in Afghanistan, neither will the country stabilize nor will the region, from the Middle East to Bangladesh. And militancy in Pakistan will certainly not go away.
 
If all this does not happen, the only option left for America in the not-too-distant future will be to cut and run and let the devil take the hindmost. He will.


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RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?



Dear Alochoks,
 
I fully agree with Wazed Khondkar. Mr. Robin K's comments are totally unwarranted for and imbalanced. If he has to refute the views expressed on the ongoing/concluded transit deal then he should come up with well-reasoned/logical arguments in favour of the benefits of the transit arrangement which he has obviously avoided in this instance. This raises the question that whose interest he actually represents ! 
 
Shafqat Anwar 
 


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: wkkhondkar@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:19:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?

 
Dear Alochoks,

Mr. Robin Khondkar wrote the following regarding mine and Mr. Emanur Rahmans comment on this matter (please see below). I am sorry I did not know that Mr. Robin only write to alochona to win a Noble prize or some kind of recognition from the ruling elite of BD or am I being cynical like Mr. Robin? Some of us mere mortals only express their opinions and there are a lot of Bangladeshies at home and abroad would agree with our views.

He is porbably a traitor (I hope not) and an opportunist politicians of BD but us mere mortals do not have a sinister plot like Mr. Robin. Mr. Robin is free to express his views any way he wishes but should not make personal attack just because other people do not agree with his views.
Mr. Robin should highlight the good points about the transit deal. Please share this with the rest of us. You have to excuse my intelligenece but I can not see how the transit deal would be a good deal for BD.

Salam

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@...> wrote:
>
> And ofcourse you two wonderful Gents are the very embodiment of patriotism, love of country, the milk of human kindness. Frankly I am astounded that both of you have not been bronzed yet as national heroes. I must tell my traitorous sycophantic oppurtunistic friends what a wonderful oppurtunistic they are missing. The contract for your statues is worth millions. Just imagine.......
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Emanur Rahman <emanur@...> [Add to Address Book]
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?
> Date: Nov 10, 2010 11:19 PM
>
> We do not have a Bangladeshi administration. Therein lies the problem. We have traitors in power. All the evidence suggests the same. Its not even about party interests. I dare say many AL supporters and party members also recognise this but choose not to speak up because they are either traitors, opportunists, sycophants or just plain stupid.
>
> Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@...
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Wazed Khondkar <wkkhondkar@...>
> Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:31:45 +0000 (GMT)
> To: <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> ReplyTo: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?
>
>
> Dear Alochoks,
>
> This is another interesting news about the transit route for India. So, India will save 70% of transport cost at the expense of Bangladesh. This means India will be able to export their goods at a much cheaper cost and be more competitive. So what will happened to industries in Bangladesh?
>
> What has India done so far for Bangladesh? What has happened to trade imbalance between Bangladesh and India? Why cannot Bangladesh sale its goods and services to India without any entry barriers?
>
> Certain groups of people with vested interest trying to hood wink the population of Bangladesh into thinking that a transit route for India is good for Bangladesh. This is indeed very bad news for Bangladesh. India can look after its interest but who is looking after Bangladesh's interest. Certainly not our politicians.
>
> This issue has such a national importance that it should be put forward to the public in a referendum â€" let the people of Bangladesh decide whether it is good for them or not. This issue should not be decided by Mujib's daughter or Dictator's wife and sons but by the people of Bangladesh.
>
> I see some analogy between this issue and the European single currency - UK did not join the single currency the Euro. Had UK joined the single currency (which is dominated by Germany) it would have been a complete disaster for UK economy.
>
> Politicians in the UK put their national interest first whereas politicians in Bangladesh put their parties interest first.
>
> Salam
>





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[ALOCHONA] The Muslim Ties that Bind



The Muslim Ties that Bind
 
Benny Morris
 
November 15, 2010
 
An advertisement in the classifieds section of the International Herald Tribune, of November 4, 2010, caught my eye. It was posted by the "2nd Family Court of Kadikoy" and related that a ruling had been passed granting a divorce to Akay Viran, born in Antalya (in the village of Yuksekalan), Turkey, from Siti Mariam Seikh Abu Bakar, "of Malaysian nationality."
 
Malaysian? Perhaps, as many Muslims would put it, the Muslim world (Dar al-Islam) is one and all Muslims are brothers (even if on occasion they seek divorce).
 
I moved on to The Guardian (London) of the same date, where I read an interview with one Roshanara Choudhry. Eh, not exactly an interview. Rather, extracts from the interrogation of Choudhry by detective sergeant Simon Dobinson and detective constable Syed Hussain, both of the London police. Choudhry was arrested on suspicion of the May 2010 stabbing of Labour MP Stephen Timms (who has since recovered).
 
Choudry was earlier this month given a fifteen-year-minimum prison sentence for the attempted murder. A top student in her class at King's College, London University, where she was studying English and Communications, Choudhry decided to quit school and kill Timms because he had supported Britain's participation in the war in Iraq. She was persuaded to adopt this course while listening to online sermons by Anwar al-Awlaki, a Yemeni preacher regarded as the spiritual leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
 
Al-Awlaki convinced Choudhry, an English girl of Muslim South Asian origin, that, as she put it under interrogation, "I should have loyalty to my Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine." So she left King's College, because it had given an award to Israeli President Shimon Peres and, besides, the college had established "a department for tackling radicalisation. So I just didn't wanna go there any more."
 
She stabbed Timms because "millions of Iraqis are suffering and I should do what I can to help them and not just be inactive and do nothing while they suffer." Or, as she put later on:
 
Because as Muslims we're all brothers and sisters and we should all look out for each other . . . We shouldn't allow the people who oppress us to get away with it . . .
 
. . . When a Muslim land is attacked it becomes obligatory on every man, woman and child and even slave to go out and fight and defend the land and the Muslims . . .
 
. . . All Muslims are brothers and sisters.
 
After stabbing Timms she felt like "I did my best to fulfil my duty to the other Muslims."
 
In these interrogations, the twenty-one-year-old Choudhry put her finger on something that is completely incomprehensible to the average Westerner, the world-straddling sense of brotherhood among Muslim believers. Christians do not feel such brotherhood. Perhaps they did, to a degree, in the Middle Ages (the Crusades were "multinational" ventures). But no longer (did the world's Christians rally round, and offer to fight, when the PLO or Lebanon's Muslims, or the Syrians, attacked the Lebanese Maronite community? Or after London's and Madrid's transport systems were attacked by Muslim fanatics? Would Christians rally in the West in defense of Egypt's Coptic community, were it assailed by its Muslim neighbours? Or in defense, say, of France's Christians down the road?). Lacking it among themselves, Westerners find it difficult to understand such deep and self-sacrificial brotherhood in another religion.
 
I don't know what proportion of Muslims (and where? In Saudi Arabia, in Afghanistan, in Indonesia?) feel the pull or obligationist weight of this brotherhood—but many apparently do, and Westerners would do well to take it into account, as a given, when contemplating confrontation with local and faraway Muslim communities and lands.
 


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[ALOCHONA] The Home Ministers



The Home Ministers
 


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[ALOCHONA] Highways unsafe for poor policing



Chaotic vehicular movement, reckless driving causing frequent accidents .A highway policeman with almost no logistics has to keep vigil on average over a 12-kilometre highway, meaning major parts of the 11,806-kilometre roads always remain out of law enforcers' watch.

Lack of proper vigil by highway police allows drivers to disobey traffic rules at will that often causes severe accidents and makes the roads a death trap.

The Highway Police Department, which is entrusted to control traffic, check road mishaps and other crimes, has only 2,042 personnel to keep watch on the roads in two alternate shifts. Apart from shortage of manpower and logistics, alleged corruption by law enforcers is also a major reason for non-enforcement of traffic rules on the highways.

At least 45 people died on the roads during this Eid holidays alone, with drivers racing each other to compete and make up lost time and caring little about safe driving.

According to the National Road Traffic Accident Report 2008 of BRTA, 2,210 people died in crashes outside the cities and 513 in the cities. Statistics of the Highway Police Department show around 500 deaths on highways in the first half of 2010.Deaths of a secretary and an additional secretary on July 31 added to the long list of casualties. They were killed in a crash in Manikganj on their official trip to Gopalganj.

Constant rise in both slow and fast moving vehicles, over speed, overloading, vehicular defects, hazardous roads and unsafe environment are also behind ever-growing road accidents, say BRTA and highway police officials.

The maximum approved speed of a bus and a truck is 56 kilometres per hour and 40 kmph on the highway respectively, but none abide by this rule."I have been travelling to my village home in Satkhira by bus for the last 12 years. I never saw any law enforcer halt a recklessly driven bus on the highway," said Saifur Rahman, a private serviceman in Dhaka.

He added he never found a bus running within its legally permitted speed on the highways. "Drivers in general hardly follow the traffic rules, especially speed limits, causing fatal accidents," said Director (enforcement) of Bangladesh Road Transport Authority (BRTA) Tapan Kumar Sarkar.

The highway police however said they have filed 1,383 cases using speed detectors, 2,533 cases using perception against the drivers on charge of violating speed limit this year till July.They also filed 785 cases on charge of overtaking, 194 cases for competitive driving and 1,578 cases on charge of bearing fake driving licences.

However, the highway cops have only 34 speed detectors to detect speeding vehicles on 7,641 km national highway and 4,165 km regional highway. Three of those devices are always used to train up the force.Anisur Rahman who owns several trucks said a big chunk of his income is spent on bribing traffic or highway policemen to avert undue harassment on the roads.

"If you pay police at some specified locations and districts, none will bother whether you follow traffic rules or not," he said. "Just bribe them regularly or you will face harassment… they would at least keep your truck halted for sometime if they find no fault to file a case," the truck owner alleged.

He said almost all drivers overload trucks to pocket some extra money without informing the owners. This misdeed is supposed to be detected at load control stations set up at different places on highways. But they hardly face any action as they bribe Tk 200-500 depending on the load capacity of truck each time.

Mohammad Hossain, in-charge of Load Control Station in Manikganj, brushed aside the allegation.The highway police posted at 24 stations and 48 outposts across the country have only 76 vehicles including cars, jeeps and pickup vans for patrolling, 40 walkie-talkies and 151 motorcycles to discharge their duties.

But the department has yet to receive a wrecker for towing vehicles from the highways. On average, each highway police station or outpost has a 160-km-long stretch of road to look after with only 15 to 20 personnel.A highway police station or an outpost can afford only one patrol team with a car, which has to keep vigil from one end to the other, leaving behind a vast stretch of road unguarded.

Deputy Inspector General (DIG) Mohammad Sohrab Hossain told The Daily Star the standard jurisdiction for a highways police station is 60km, but many such stations or outposts have around 160km-long stretch to manage.Besides, those stations and outposts badly suffer from personnel and logistics crises, he added.

Asked about monitoring of speed by BRTA, Director Tapan said they used speed governor seals on diesel-run vehicles, but drivers damaged those. He added most of the diesel-run long-distance buses and trucks run by night and they can hardly take any action through conducting mobile courts.

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[ALOCHONA] State of demoncrazy, law and disorder !



State of demoncrazy, law and disorder !
 
 


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Re: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?



Sir

Ah yes it would be nice to win a nobel... Just like you one can also express one's opinion. Its a free medium.and nobody has stopped you from expressing your opinion no matter how delusional and self serving it might be. We are subject to it on a daily basis from you and other gentleman. Please extend the same courtesy.

 

If numbers were the only thing then the tea party would be greatest social movement.this world has seen. Besides we only have your word for the popularity of your opinion.

 

As far as being a traitor or oppurtunistic please speak for yourself.

 

Robin Khundkar

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wazed Khondkar
Sent: Nov 20, 2010 1:19 PM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who? 

 

Dear Alochoks,

Mr. Robin Khondkar wrote the following regarding mine and Mr. Emanur Rahmans comment on this matter (please see below). I am sorry I did not know that Mr. Robin only write to alochona to win a Noble prize or some kind of recognition from the ruling elite of BD or am I being cynical like Mr. Robin? Some of us mere mortals only express their opinions and there are a lot of Bangladeshies at home and abroad would agree with our views.

He is porbably a traitor (I hope not) and an opportunist politicians of BD but us mere mortals do not have a sinister plot like Mr. Robin. Mr. Robin is free to express his views any way he wishes but should not make personal attack just because other people do not agree with his views.

Mr. Robin should highlight the good points about the transit deal. Please share this with the rest of us. You have to excuse my intelligenece but I can not see how the transit deal would be a good deal for BD.

Salam

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@...> wrote:
>
> And ofcourse you two wonderful Gents are the very embodiment of patriotism, love of country, the milk of human kindness. Frankly I am astounded that both of you have not been bronzed yet as national heroes. I must tell my traitorous sycophantic oppurtunistic friends what a wonderful oppurtunistic they are missing. The contract for your statues is worth millions. Just imagine.......
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Emanur Rahman <emanur@...> [Add to Address Book]
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?
> Date: Nov 10, 2010 11:19 PM
>
> We do not have a Bangladeshi administration. Therein lies the problem. We have traitors in power. All the evidence suggests the same. Its not even about party interests. I dare say many AL supporters and party members also recognise this but choose not to speak up because they are either traitors, opportunists, sycophants or just plain stupid.
>
> Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@...
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Wazed Khondkar <wkkhondkar@...>
> Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:31:45 +0000 (GMT)
> To: <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> ReplyTo: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?
>
>
> Dear Alochoks,
>
> This is another interesting news about the transit route for India. So, India will save 70% of transport cost at the expense of Bangladesh. This means India will be able to export their goods at a much cheaper cost and be more competitive. So what will happened to industries in Bangladesh?
>
> What has India done so far for Bangladesh? What has happened to trade imbalance between Bangladesh and India? Why cannot Bangladesh sale its goods and services to India without any entry barriers?
>
> Certain groups of people with vested interest trying to hood wink the population of Bangladesh into thinking that a transit route for India is good for Bangladesh. This is indeed very bad news for Bangladesh. India can look after its interest but who is looking after Bangladesh's interest. Certainly not our politicians.
>
> This issue has such a national importance that it should be put forward to the public in a referendum â€" let the people of Bangladesh decide whether it is good for them or not. This issue should not be decided by Mujib's daughter or Dictator's wife and sons but by the people of Bangladesh.
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> I see some analogy between this issue and the European single currency - UK did not join the single currency the Euro. Had UK joined the single currency (which is dominated by Germany) it would have been a complete disaster for UK economy.
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> Politicians in the UK put their national interest first whereas politicians in Bangladesh put their parties interest first.
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> Salam
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