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Re: [ALOCHONA] Identity Crisis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!



attn. Dr. Manik
---------------------

It will be wonderful if you can re-educate us a bit, about PRO-LIBERATION Forces!!

Who are they?

What they have done for the country since january, 1972?

Have they taken any positive, meaningful step to prosecute the Pakistani criminals....involved
in rape, murder in 1971?

I hope you will take my Q seriously and offer an intelligent, clear answer.

Best wishes.

Khoda hafz.

Probashi Bangladeshi.


From: Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: wideminds <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>; dahuk <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; Dr. Abid Bahar <abidbahar@yahoo.com>; notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com; Nayan Khan <udarakash08@yahoo.com>; mohiuddin@netzero.net; zoglul@hotmail.co.uk; Bangla Zindabad <Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>; Sonar Bangladesh <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>; serajurrahman@btinternet.com; ovimot yahoogroups <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>; farhadmazhar@hotmail.com; History islam <history_islam@yahoogroups.com>; alapon@yahoogroups.com; ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>; khabor@yahoogroups.com; alapon@yahoogroups.com; muktomoncho@yahoo.com; Nabi bhai <nurunnabi@gmail.com>; drmohsinali@yahoo.com; Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan <srbanunz@gmail.com>; eastsidepc71@gmail.com; Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:57 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Identity Crisis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Dear All,
 
Those who are supporting Sharmila Bose's unscrupulous article are suffering from "IDENTITY CRISIS" !
They are either son of a Bihari ( Indian migrant) or Jamat or Muslim League , they are burning inside in jealous of pro-liberation forces uprising in Bangladesh.They are upset seeing  their forefather's in "SAFE HOME facing warcrime trials! They are speechless seeing their DREAMLAND Pakistan's continued destructions . They don't have any land , they are "Miskeen in Kuwait and Saudi Land"!!
 
Respectfully,
Dr. Manik
Atlanta


From: Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: wideminds <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>; dahuk <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; Dr. Abid Bahar <abidbahar@yahoo.com>; notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com; Nayan Khan <udarakash08@yahoo.com>; mohiuddin@netzero.net; zoglul@hotmail.co.uk; Bangla Zindabad <Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>; Sonar Bangladesh <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>; serajurrahman@btinternet.com; ovimot yahoogroups <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>; farhadmazhar@hotmail.com; History islam <history_islam@yahoogroups.com>; alapon@yahoogroups.com; ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, May 15, 2011 3:58:20 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge

 


--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 3:52 PM

Mr. Ezajur,
 
You have made me laugh. I do not need to take your challenge. I have hundreds of workers in New York and any one of them can take your challenge. Please do not try to be proud and make me fool by throwing a silly challenge. You are most welcome to come to New York and be my guest. If you want I can pay your plane ticket, even. Just please read the book, "The Bullets of 1971" of Dr. Nuran Nabi of New Jersey where you can get all the answers of your challenges and the claims of Sharmila Bose.
 
Please read my short e-mail again and again. I thought you are a super brain man, at least in your postings of the last 10 plus years, which shows that you are the number one intellectuals of the Bengalis and in the world. You find deficits in every persons postings and thoughts. Your brain chemical is so sharp and super quality that your can even visualize how the brains of other persons function.
 
However, I did not say that you were a Razakar. I wrote that when you were supporting Sharmila Bose.s book, you were signing with the Pakistanis and Razakars, that did not mean that you ware a razakar, You subscribe the ideals and deeds of the Pakistanis and the Razakars regarding our Liberation war of 1971. As I wrote before that Sharmila Bose wrote her book based on and referring to the accounts of the Pakistani Generals who fought the war to kill the Bengalis in 1971. You cannot challenge the number of 6 million jews killed by Hilter and cannot compare the killings of jews by Hilter with the Germans killed by the American, Brithish, Russia and France in action of war. Similarly, you cannot challenge the numbers of 3 million Benaglis killed by the Pakistani military and their supporters. You cannot compare the Bengalis killed by the Pakistani and their supporters with the Pakistani supporters killed by the Freedom Fighters or others in action during the liberation war. These are all written in the history. There are thousands of pages of reports stored in the archives all over the world about the killings of Bengalis by the Pakistanis and their collaborators, You just need to research those documents if you want to challenge any information of that time.
 
You told that you were not around during the liberation war of 1971 that means you were not born at that time. So, you were not a razakar and you did not witness the liberation war either. You heard or read about the liberation war from the Pakistani and razakar side only.. You must be al teast 19 years junior to me. Because, I was 19 years old in 1971 and I participated in the liberation war and became a thana level commander (Gurudaspur Thana of now Natore District, you can check my background). So, I fought for our liberation war and we made the history. So, please do not dare to challenge a freedom Fighter Commander about the Freedom Fight unless you are real Razakar or Pakistani against whom I fought directly.
 
Please check the movie made on me by BBC, London, UK in 1972, "The Children of the Fire"
 
Also, please read the article written on me published with my picture in The Daily Guardian of London, UK on August 14, 1972.
 
Also please read the article written on me entitled, "The Peace Heros" by Alex Brodie of London, published in the Monthly Magazine, The New Internationalist" with my pictures in April, 1973.
 
I think, that should be enough for now.
 
Thank you.
 
Dr. Mohsin Ali, New York (Now visiting Bangladesh, May 16, 2011 1:52 AM.


--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, "wideminds" <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>, "dahuk" <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Abid Bahar" <abidbahar@yahoo.com>, notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, "Nayan Khan" <udarakash08@yahoo.com>, mohiuddin@netzero.net, zoglul@hotmail.co.uk, "Bangla Zindabad" <Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>, "Sonar Bangladesh" <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, serajurrahman@btinternet.com, "ovimot yahoogroups" <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>, farhadmazhar@hotmail.com, "History islam" <history_islam@yahoogroups.com>, alapon@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "ezajur" <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 11:32 AM

 
Friends

The proposition of Mr. Ezazur is not only courageous but also timely since the BALIST have made the life of Bangladeshis hell by playing the same "Bhanga" record on and on thousands of  days and on. They are trying their best with the connivance of the congenital liars "Gwan Papis" the so-called self declared Jibis to change the original history of our only pride the great "Mohan mukti Judhdha". 

By such distortion of truth/facts the newly born Projonmo started believing that the " Historic Bhasha Andolon(the Language Movement) was conducted from Faridpur Jail and the Mohan Mukti Judhdha was directed from Cantonment jail in Larkana, Pakistan by issuing "CHIRCUT"(???).

Ezazur Bhai go ahead all Bangladeshis are with you and the truth. But brother, I doubt that whether the opponent do possess the courage to accept challenge of truth ???????????

Salam and sincere regards.

Faruque Alamgir

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I believe that Sharmila Bose has questioned the narrative of people like you and Farida Majid and that can only be a good thing. As such I am morally obliged to take her side against blind party loyalists like you even though she could have done a much better job and has made mistakes in her approach. I was not around in 1971 - so I'm confident I'm not a rajakar.
Lets dance.
I shall probably visit NY this summer. I invite you to reserve any venue in Astoria, Woodside, Jamaica etc. Book it for a 100 people including dinner. I will pick up the bill. We will have a frank debate - just you and me. I will come alone but if I can get a local youth organisation to attend I will do so. Please bring your fellow AL doctors, professors, advisors and committee members. I have the following non negotiable conditions:
1. At least 20 young people over the age of 18 must attend. At least 10 must be children of AL committee members. You must introduce me to each one before the discussion.
2. We each speak for 2 sessions of 30 minutes each - ie 2 hours in total.
3. If I am interrupted by your members you pay me $1,000. And vice versa.
4. Two subjects: 1) the 3 million dead of 1971 and 2) the difference between your politics and my politics.
5.  You can choose any elder to be the conductor as long as he has a beard.
I will take any number of questions. There is no winner, just a free discussion. You are welcome to bring local Deshi tv. I will also try. The transcript of the discussion will be edited by a dignitary agreed by both of us in advance of the discussion. The edited transcript will be available for reproduction without permission from you or me.
Lets see if you know my real face or if I know your real face.
I am waiting for your reply.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
 
 
         
 

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@...> wrote:
>
> SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE WHICH IS THE STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION WAR. YOU ARE SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER LIKED SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS YOUR REAL FACE.
>
> --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@... wrote:
>
>
> From: ezajur Ezajur@...
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh war of 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and the dominant post war narrative and those who have profited from it.
>
> The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were exterminated. As proven by the lack of any meaningful effort to measure the number of deaths by successive governments of Bangladesh.
>
> The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of 1971 is real and that those who shout about it are those who are fit to govern best. As proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
>
> Those who have profited are those who have publicly promoted the myth and privately benefitted with power and money. As proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
>
> What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question anything about 1971 because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind, empowers her and her politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they want and rule as they see fit. Screw them.
>
> The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the ruination of our country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges and export earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better. And as AL and BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self indulgence they ignore the future at the nation's peril.
>
> If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country keep quiet. There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
>
> Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are true to their dead leader, their dead father and their dead values.
>
> They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the soil of our country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our people and our beautiful country.
>
> Just look at the condition of our country! You know why there is no class war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists can't bend their knees?
>
> May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the truth and may that truth embrace the next generation.
>
> To all hypocrites - ££££ you!
>
> Ezajur Rahman
>
> Its so loud, inside in my head
> With words that I should have said.
> As I drown in my regrets
> I can't take back
> the words I never said.
> Lupe Fiasco
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid farida_majid@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.html
> >
> >
> > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila Bose in Al Jazeera.net :
> > Farida Majid
> >
> > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the `dominant narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant to bust the myth of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her book's spin is strung around a few instances of atrocities committed by Mukti fighters upon non-Bengali collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No one denies those cruel acts of retaliation. All wars are cruel and ugly. But by themselves those acts, or her other fieldwork denying widespread rape and murder (questioning the occurrence of any rape by Pakistani soldiers since she could not get figures of exact date, time and place of each sexual assault), have not been able to disprove any of the well-known incidences of crimes against humanity committed by an uniformed, fully equipped with modern arms and ammunition, professionally trained Pakistani army and its Bengali collaborators in 1971. I
> doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has unearthed could be presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense against the charges brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
> >
> > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant narrative' the fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her citing of the example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught in the melee of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of 2011, shows to what pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination in assessing the overall reality of people's struggle for freedom from oppression. Such struggles in the annals of history are messy, never picture-book perfect. Sarmila though is unforgiving, and is too mean-spirited to tolerate "freedom and democracy-loving people rising up against oppressive dictators." She has to take up the arms of a `scholarly study' to bust the myth!
> >
> > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
> >
> > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
> >
> > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms Bose's so-called `research' and report, that genocide did not take place at all in 1971 in the then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is all about partisan exaggeration and no one in the international community but her could detect the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
> >
> > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so long from mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's eighth most populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty and independence as a nation?
> >
> > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for independence from a colonized condition ought to be labeled as having "profited from mythologizing history." And that would include United States of America.
> > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and battles fought in the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all mythologised history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a myth that is in dire need of busting!
> >
> > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen. Yahya Khan at a radio interview at the launching of the Operation Searchlight in March, 1971 in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million of them, and they will eat out of our hands!" The number â€"3 million â€" is immaterial, though admittedly there is an irresolvable argument that swirls around it. What is legally relevant here, however, is the clear expression of goal and intent to commit genocide by Pak military apparatus in East Pakistan.
> >
> > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of the war crimes of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye witnesses and personal encounters from among the Pakistani military personnel are coming up with accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman Ali, et al, exhibiting fierce anti-Bengali racism that underscored activities against unarmed, unthreatening civilians. Such activities were regarded as reprehensive by even the soldiers who carried out the orders because they violated the rules and norms of engagement in warfare. Several books have come out over the years by various Pakistani army personnel including one by the infamous General Niazi. They are all replete with quotations and records of utter racial contempt for the Bengalis of East Pakistan on the part of top brass military officers in the Pakistani army who wanted at least a partial destruction of the whole race of Bengalis as a punitive measure for their rebellion.
> >
> > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U. N. Convetion:
> >
> > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)
> >
> > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> >
> > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
> > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
> > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
> > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
> >
> > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
> >
> > (a) Genocide;
> > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
> >
> > Salutes!
> >
> > Farida Majid
> >
>





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Re: [ALOCHONA] Identity Crisis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!



attn. Dr. Manik
--------------------

From your ID, it appears that you are an university qualified person.

But your quick conclusion that " They are either son of a Bihari ( Indian migrant) or Jamat or Muslim League , they are burning inside in jealous of pro-liberation forces uprising in Bangladesh "  is just a below-average comment.

Anybody questioning the number of people killed/raped during 1971 liberation war is not neccessarily anti-Bangladeshi.
Will you have time to send us some documents ( or source of documents ) that can prove " 3 millions people died in 1971 or xxx number of women were raped"? We might use such documents in International court of justice.

why numbers are so important? Havn't we spent so many years, arguing about numbers.......and actually doing nothing!!!

it is sad that we suffered so much during 1971 liberation war. Is it not a bigger tragedy as well, that our politicians
failed to take Pakistanis to International court in the past? 

Shouldn't we concentrate more in preparing world-standard documents to prosecute Pakistani criminals?

Because emotion-choked, evidence-less papers will not help us in any International organization.

I sincerely hope that you will read my letter CALMLY and  send a MEANINGFUL reply, not soaked in cheap emotion and 
value-less outburst.

Please don't be surprised...to know that...I am a bengali-speaking Bangladeshi , settled overseas and well-involved
in community work in Bangladesh!

Best wishes.


Khoda hafez.


probashi Bangladeshi





From: Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: wideminds <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>; dahuk <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; Dr. Abid Bahar <abidbahar@yahoo.com>; notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com; Nayan Khan <udarakash08@yahoo.com>; mohiuddin@netzero.net; zoglul@hotmail.co.uk; Bangla Zindabad <Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>; Sonar Bangladesh <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>; serajurrahman@btinternet.com; ovimot yahoogroups <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>; farhadmazhar@hotmail.com; History islam <history_islam@yahoogroups.com>; alapon@yahoogroups.com; ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>; khabor@yahoogroups.com; alapon@yahoogroups.com; muktomoncho@yahoo.com; Nabi bhai <nurunnabi@gmail.com>; drmohsinali@yahoo.com; Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan <srbanunz@gmail.com>; eastsidepc71@gmail.com; Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:57 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Identity Crisis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Dear All,
 
Those who are supporting Sharmila Bose's unscrupulous article are suffering from "IDENTITY CRISIS" !
They are either son of a Bihari ( Indian migrant) or Jamat or Muslim League , they are burning inside in jealous of pro-liberation forces uprising in Bangladesh.They are upset seeing  their forefather's in "SAFE HOME facing warcrime trials! They are speechless seeing their DREAMLAND Pakistan's continued destructions . They don't have any land , they are "Miskeen in Kuwait and Saudi Land"!!
 
Respectfully,
Dr. Manik
Atlanta


From: Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: wideminds <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>; dahuk <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; Dr. Abid Bahar <abidbahar@yahoo.com>; notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com; Nayan Khan <udarakash08@yahoo.com>; mohiuddin@netzero.net; zoglul@hotmail.co.uk; Bangla Zindabad <Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>; Sonar Bangladesh <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>; serajurrahman@btinternet.com; ovimot yahoogroups <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>; farhadmazhar@hotmail.com; History islam <history_islam@yahoogroups.com>; alapon@yahoogroups.com; ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, May 15, 2011 3:58:20 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge

 


--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 3:52 PM

Mr. Ezajur,
 
You have made me laugh. I do not need to take your challenge. I have hundreds of workers in New York and any one of them can take your challenge. Please do not try to be proud and make me fool by throwing a silly challenge. You are most welcome to come to New York and be my guest. If you want I can pay your plane ticket, even. Just please read the book, "The Bullets of 1971" of Dr. Nuran Nabi of New Jersey where you can get all the answers of your challenges and the claims of Sharmila Bose.
 
Please read my short e-mail again and again. I thought you are a super brain man, at least in your postings of the last 10 plus years, which shows that you are the number one intellectuals of the Bengalis and in the world. You find deficits in every persons postings and thoughts. Your brain chemical is so sharp and super quality that your can even visualize how the brains of other persons function.
 
However, I did not say that you were a Razakar. I wrote that when you were supporting Sharmila Bose.s book, you were signing with the Pakistanis and Razakars, that did not mean that you ware a razakar, You subscribe the ideals and deeds of the Pakistanis and the Razakars regarding our Liberation war of 1971. As I wrote before that Sharmila Bose wrote her book based on and referring to the accounts of the Pakistani Generals who fought the war to kill the Bengalis in 1971. You cannot challenge the number of 6 million jews killed by Hilter and cannot compare the killings of jews by Hilter with the Germans killed by the American, Brithish, Russia and France in action of war. Similarly, you cannot challenge the numbers of 3 million Benaglis killed by the Pakistani military and their supporters. You cannot compare the Bengalis killed by the Pakistani and their supporters with the Pakistani supporters killed by the Freedom Fighters or others in action during the liberation war. These are all written in the history. There are thousands of pages of reports stored in the archives all over the world about the killings of Bengalis by the Pakistanis and their collaborators, You just need to research those documents if you want to challenge any information of that time.
 
You told that you were not around during the liberation war of 1971 that means you were not born at that time. So, you were not a razakar and you did not witness the liberation war either. You heard or read about the liberation war from the Pakistani and razakar side only.. You must be al teast 19 years junior to me. Because, I was 19 years old in 1971 and I participated in the liberation war and became a thana level commander (Gurudaspur Thana of now Natore District, you can check my background). So, I fought for our liberation war and we made the history. So, please do not dare to challenge a freedom Fighter Commander about the Freedom Fight unless you are real Razakar or Pakistani against whom I fought directly.
 
Please check the movie made on me by BBC, London, UK in 1972, "The Children of the Fire"
 
Also, please read the article written on me published with my picture in The Daily Guardian of London, UK on August 14, 1972.
 
Also please read the article written on me entitled, "The Peace Heros" by Alex Brodie of London, published in the Monthly Magazine, The New Internationalist" with my pictures in April, 1973.
 
I think, that should be enough for now.
 
Thank you.
 
Dr. Mohsin Ali, New York (Now visiting Bangladesh, May 16, 2011 1:52 AM.


--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, "wideminds" <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>, "dahuk" <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Abid Bahar" <abidbahar@yahoo.com>, notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, "Nayan Khan" <udarakash08@yahoo.com>, mohiuddin@netzero.net, zoglul@hotmail.co.uk, "Bangla Zindabad" <Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>, "Sonar Bangladesh" <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, serajurrahman@btinternet.com, "ovimot yahoogroups" <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>, farhadmazhar@hotmail.com, "History islam" <history_islam@yahoogroups.com>, alapon@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "ezajur" <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 11:32 AM

 
Friends

The proposition of Mr. Ezazur is not only courageous but also timely since the BALIST have made the life of Bangladeshis hell by playing the same "Bhanga" record on and on thousands of  days and on. They are trying their best with the connivance of the congenital liars "Gwan Papis" the so-called self declared Jibis to change the original history of our only pride the great "Mohan mukti Judhdha". 

By such distortion of truth/facts the newly born Projonmo started believing that the " Historic Bhasha Andolon(the Language Movement) was conducted from Faridpur Jail and the Mohan Mukti Judhdha was directed from Cantonment jail in Larkana, Pakistan by issuing "CHIRCUT"(???).

Ezazur Bhai go ahead all Bangladeshis are with you and the truth. But brother, I doubt that whether the opponent do possess the courage to accept challenge of truth ???????????

Salam and sincere regards.

Faruque Alamgir

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I believe that Sharmila Bose has questioned the narrative of people like you and Farida Majid and that can only be a good thing. As such I am morally obliged to take her side against blind party loyalists like you even though she could have done a much better job and has made mistakes in her approach. I was not around in 1971 - so I'm confident I'm not a rajakar.
Lets dance.
I shall probably visit NY this summer. I invite you to reserve any venue in Astoria, Woodside, Jamaica etc. Book it for a 100 people including dinner. I will pick up the bill. We will have a frank debate - just you and me. I will come alone but if I can get a local youth organisation to attend I will do so. Please bring your fellow AL doctors, professors, advisors and committee members. I have the following non negotiable conditions:
1. At least 20 young people over the age of 18 must attend. At least 10 must be children of AL committee members. You must introduce me to each one before the discussion.
2. We each speak for 2 sessions of 30 minutes each - ie 2 hours in total.
3. If I am interrupted by your members you pay me $1,000. And vice versa.
4. Two subjects: 1) the 3 million dead of 1971 and 2) the difference between your politics and my politics.
5.  You can choose any elder to be the conductor as long as he has a beard.
I will take any number of questions. There is no winner, just a free discussion. You are welcome to bring local Deshi tv. I will also try. The transcript of the discussion will be edited by a dignitary agreed by both of us in advance of the discussion. The edited transcript will be available for reproduction without permission from you or me.
Lets see if you know my real face or if I know your real face.
I am waiting for your reply.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
 
 
         
 

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@...> wrote:
>
> SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE WHICH IS THE STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION WAR. YOU ARE SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER LIKED SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS YOUR REAL FACE.
>
> --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@... wrote:
>
>
> From: ezajur Ezajur@...
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh war of 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and the dominant post war narrative and those who have profited from it.
>
> The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were exterminated. As proven by the lack of any meaningful effort to measure the number of deaths by successive governments of Bangladesh.
>
> The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of 1971 is real and that those who shout about it are those who are fit to govern best. As proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
>
> Those who have profited are those who have publicly promoted the myth and privately benefitted with power and money. As proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
>
> What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question anything about 1971 because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind, empowers her and her politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they want and rule as they see fit. Screw them.
>
> The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the ruination of our country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges and export earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better. And as AL and BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self indulgence they ignore the future at the nation's peril.
>
> If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country keep quiet. There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
>
> Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are true to their dead leader, their dead father and their dead values.
>
> They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the soil of our country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our people and our beautiful country.
>
> Just look at the condition of our country! You know why there is no class war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists can't bend their knees?
>
> May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the truth and may that truth embrace the next generation.
>
> To all hypocrites - ££££ you!
>
> Ezajur Rahman
>
> Its so loud, inside in my head
> With words that I should have said.
> As I drown in my regrets
> I can't take back
> the words I never said.
> Lupe Fiasco
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid farida_majid@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.html
> >
> >
> > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila Bose in Al Jazeera.net :
> > Farida Majid
> >
> > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the `dominant narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant to bust the myth of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her book's spin is strung around a few instances of atrocities committed by Mukti fighters upon non-Bengali collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No one denies those cruel acts of retaliation. All wars are cruel and ugly. But by themselves those acts, or her other fieldwork denying widespread rape and murder (questioning the occurrence of any rape by Pakistani soldiers since she could not get figures of exact date, time and place of each sexual assault), have not been able to disprove any of the well-known incidences of crimes against humanity committed by an uniformed, fully equipped with modern arms and ammunition, professionally trained Pakistani army and its Bengali collaborators in 1971. I
> doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has unearthed could be presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense against the charges brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
> >
> > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant narrative' the fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her citing of the example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught in the melee of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of 2011, shows to what pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination in assessing the overall reality of people's struggle for freedom from oppression. Such struggles in the annals of history are messy, never picture-book perfect. Sarmila though is unforgiving, and is too mean-spirited to tolerate "freedom and democracy-loving people rising up against oppressive dictators." She has to take up the arms of a `scholarly study' to bust the myth!
> >
> > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
> >
> > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
> >
> > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms Bose's so-called `research' and report, that genocide did not take place at all in 1971 in the then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is all about partisan exaggeration and no one in the international community but her could detect the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
> >
> > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so long from mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's eighth most populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty and independence as a nation?
> >
> > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for independence from a colonized condition ought to be labeled as having "profited from mythologizing history." And that would include United States of America.
> > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and battles fought in the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all mythologised history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a myth that is in dire need of busting!
> >
> > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen. Yahya Khan at a radio interview at the launching of the Operation Searchlight in March, 1971 in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million of them, and they will eat out of our hands!" The number â€"3 million â€" is immaterial, though admittedly there is an irresolvable argument that swirls around it. What is legally relevant here, however, is the clear expression of goal and intent to commit genocide by Pak military apparatus in East Pakistan.
> >
> > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of the war crimes of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye witnesses and personal encounters from among the Pakistani military personnel are coming up with accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman Ali, et al, exhibiting fierce anti-Bengali racism that underscored activities against unarmed, unthreatening civilians. Such activities were regarded as reprehensive by even the soldiers who carried out the orders because they violated the rules and norms of engagement in warfare. Several books have come out over the years by various Pakistani army personnel including one by the infamous General Niazi. They are all replete with quotations and records of utter racial contempt for the Bengalis of East Pakistan on the part of top brass military officers in the Pakistani army who wanted at least a partial destruction of the whole race of Bengalis as a punitive measure for their rebellion.
> >
> > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U. N. Convetion:
> >
> > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)
> >
> > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> >
> > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
> > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
> > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
> > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
> >
> > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
> >
> > (a) Genocide;
> > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
> >
> > Salutes!
> >
> > Farida Majid
> >
>





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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge



attn.  junaid
-------------

It is good to see that you are keen to have a discussion " in Bangladesh".

Can you please re-visit few sad -facts of life, before you finalize the plan?

1. where will you find SO MANY  disciplined people in Bangladesh, ready to discuss important issues, without demonstrating aggressiveness, violence and rudeness?

2. Don't You read newspapers regularly, with photos of injured people --  because they had different
opinion /ideas from the perpretrators/ killers?

3. In Bangladesh, we talk of DEMOCRACY loudly.
How quickly we are ready to de-capitate/ hurt/ injure other people, who think differently?

best wishes.


khoda hafez.


probashi bangladeshi


From: junaid.sultan <junaid.sultan@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 3:55 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge

 
One thing I must appreciate about Mr. Ejazur is his quick response.
  I thought that in this forum we try to convince each other to our view point by our arguments. Now new dimensions have been added. You can now ask for open debates also. Sad! It is not possible for me to visit Kuwait. But can we have a debate in Sonargaon (not Sonargaon hotel). I am ready to bring any number of people you want, (from any background AL, BNP, Jatiaya,  Jamaat, Communist, Workers, etc. etc., you name it) as long as you pick the bill. I accept all your conditions. I leave it you to choose the topic also.
 And this is not a joke. I am damn serious. And mind you, I was not comparing Dr. Mohsin with Clinton or Obama. To me you are the only expert on Bangladesh affairs not Dr. Mohsin.
 
Junaid

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@...> wrote:
>
> The joke of the year award is that I and Dr Mohsin Ali may have a debate in NY on the politics of Bangladesh? I suggest this does not require imagination but a certain 'in the field mentality'.
>
> What does require imagination is comparing Dr Mohsin Ali to Clinton or Obama :) I would not dare to debate those two brilliant minds.
>
> I must appreciate Junaid's light banter. Thanks Junaid. Keep it light. Cheers!
>
>
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "junaid.sultan" junaid.sultan@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wah! Wah! Ghazab kar dia mere dost
> >
> > In seems we are in contest for joke of the year award. I must appreciate
> > the person who is challenging. I must appreciate his height of
> > imagination. I must appreciate fertility of his brain. However, I
> > don't think that is the end of the story. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama
> > are in the line also. The gentleman may visit Washington when he is
> > visiting New York all the way from Kuwait. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama,
> > are you ready for the challenge?
> >
> > To person who is seconding this challenge, again I will use my very
> > little knowledge of Urdu language by saying "Khawaja ka gawah
> > daddu."
> >
> > Keep the good work. You are on right track.
> >
> > Junaid
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Friends
> > >
> > > The proposition of Mr. Ezazur is not only courageous but also timely
> > since
> > > the BALIST have made the life of Bangladeshis hell by playing the same
> > > "Bhanga" record on and on thousands of days and on. They are trying
> > their
> > > best with the connivance of the congenital liars "Gwan Papis" the
> > so-called
> > > self declared Jibis to change the original history of our only pride
> > > the great "Mohan mukti Judhdha".
> > >
> > > By such distortion of truth/facts the newly born Projonmo started
> > believing
> > > that the *" Historic Bhasha Andolon(the Language Movement)* was
> > conducted
> > > from Faridpur Jail and the Mohan Mukti Judhdha was directed from
> > Cantonment
> > > jail in Larkana, Pakistan by issuing* "CHIRCUT"(???)*.
> > >
> > > Ezazur Bhai go ahead all Bangladeshis are with you and the truth. But
> > > brother, I doubt that whether the opponent do possess the courage to
> > accept
> > > challenge of truth ???????????
> > >
> > > Salam and sincere regards.
> > >
> > > Faruque Alamgir
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe that Sharmila Bose has questioned the narrative of people
> > like
> > > > you and Farida Majid and that can only be a good thing. As such I am
> > morally
> > > > obliged to take her side against blind party loyalists like you even
> > though
> > > > she could have done a much better job and has made mistakes in her
> > approach.
> > > > I was not around in 1971 - so I'm confident I'm not a rajakar.
> > > >
> > > > Lets dance.
> > > >
> > > > I shall probably visit NY this summer. I invite you to reserve any
> > venue in
> > > > Astoria, Woodside, Jamaica etc. Book it for a 100 people including
> > dinner. I
> > > > will pick up the bill. We will have a frank debate - just you and
> > me. I will
> > > > come alone but if I can get a local youth organisation to attend I
> > will do
> > > > so. Please bring your fellow AL doctors, professors, advisors and
> > committee
> > > > members. I have the following non negotiable conditions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. At least 20 young people over the age of 18 must attend. At least
> > > > 10 must be children of AL committee members. You must introduce me
> > to each
> > > > one before the discussion.
> > > >
> > > > 2. We each speak for 2 sessions of 30 minutes each - ie 2 hours in
> > total.
> > > >
> > > > 3. If I am interrupted by your members you pay me $1,000. And vice
> > versa.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Two subjects: 1) the 3 million dead of 1971 and 2) the difference
> > > > between your politics and my politics.
> > > >
> > > > 5. You can choose any elder to be the conductor as long as he has a
> > beard.
> > > >
> > > > I will take any number of questions. There is no winner, just a free
> > > > discussion. You are welcome to bring local Deshi tv. I will also
> > try. The
> > > > transcript of the discussion will be edited by a dignitary agreed by
> > both of
> > > > us in advance of the discussion. The edited transcript will be
> > available for
> > > > reproduction without permission from you or me.
> > > >
> > > > Lets see if you know my real face or if I know your real face.
> > > >
> > > > I am waiting for your reply.
> > > >
> > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > >
> > > > Kuwait
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" drmohsinali@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE WHICH
> > IS THE
> > > > STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION WAR. YOU
> > ARE
> > > > SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER
> > LIKED
> > > > SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS YOUR REAL
> > FACE.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: ezajur Ezajur@
> > > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh
> > war of
> > > > 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and the
> > dominant
> > > > post war narrative and those who have profited from it.
> > > > >
> > > > > The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were
> > exterminated. As
> > > > proven by the lack of any meaningful effort to measure the number of
> > deaths
> > > > by successive governments of Bangladesh.
> > > > >
> > > > > The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of 1971 is
> > real and
> > > > that those who shout about it are those who are fit to govern best.
> > As
> > > > proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those who have profited are those who have publicly promoted the
> > myth and
> > > > privately benefitted with power and money. As proven by the
> > behaviour of
> > > > every successive government.
> > > > >
> > > > > What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question anything
> > about 1971
> > > > because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind, empowers her and
> > her
> > > > politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they want and rule
> > as they
> > > > see fit. Screw them.
> > > > >
> > > > > The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the
> > ruination of
> > > > our country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges and
> > export
> > > > earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better. And
> > as AL and
> > > > BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self indulgence they
> > ignore
> > > > the future at the nation's peril.
> > > > >
> > > > > If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do,
> > the
> > > > Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs commit rape,
> > murder
> > > > and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country keep
> > quiet.
> > > > There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
> > > > >
> > > > > Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are true to
> > their
> > > > dead leader, their dead father and their dead values.
> > > > >
> > > > > They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the soil of
> > our
> > > > country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our
> > people and
> > > > our beautiful country.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just look at the condition of our country! You know why there is
> > no class
> > > > war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists can't bend their
> > knees?
> > > > >
> > > > > May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the truth
> > and may
> > > > that truth embrace the next generation.
> > > > >
> > > > > To all hypocrites - ££££ you!
> > > > >
> > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > >
> > > > > Its so loud, inside in my head
> > > > > With words that I should have said.
> > > > > As I drown in my regrets
> > > > > I can't take back
> > > > > the words I never said.
> > > > > Lupe Fiasco
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid farida_majid@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.h\
> > tml
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila Bose in Al
> > > > Jazeera.net :
> > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the
> > `dominant
> > > > narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning:
> > Memories of
> > > > the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant to bust
> > the myth
> > > > of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her book's spin is strung
> > around
> > > > a few instances of atrocities committed by Mukti fighters upon
> > non-Bengali
> > > > collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No one denies those cruel
> > acts of
> > > > retaliation. All wars are cruel and ugly. But by themselves those
> > acts, or
> > > > her other fieldwork denying widespread rape and murder (questioning
> > the
> > > > occurrence of any rape by Pakistani soldiers since she could not get
> > figures
> > > > of exact date, time and place of each sexual assault), have not been
> > able to
> > > > disprove any of the well-known incidences of crimes against humanity
> > > > committed by an uniformed, fully equipped with modern arms and
> > ammunition,
> > > > professionally trained Pakistani army and its Bengali collaborators
> > in 1971.
> > > > I
> > > > > doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has unearthed
> > could be
> > > > presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense against the
> > charges
> > > > brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant narrative'
> > the
> > > > fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her citing of
> > the
> > > > example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught in the
> > melee
> > > > of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of 2011, shows to
> > what
> > > > pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination in assessing the
> > overall
> > > > reality of people's struggle for freedom from oppression. Such
> > struggles in
> > > > the annals of history are messy, never picture-book perfect. Sarmila
> > though
> > > > is unforgiving, and is too mean-spirited to tolerate "freedom and
> > > > democracy-loving people rising up against oppressive dictators." She
> > has to
> > > > take up the arms of a `scholarly study' to bust the myth!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms Bose's
> > so-called
> > > > `research' and report, that genocide did not take place at all in
> > 1971 in
> > > > the then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is all about
> > partisan
> > > > exaggeration and no one in the international community but her could
> > detect
> > > > the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so long from
> > > > mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > > > > > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's eighth most
> > > > populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty and
> > independence
> > > > as a nation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for independence
> > from a
> > > > colonized condition ought to be labeled as having "profited from
> > > > mythologizing history." And that would include United States of
> > America.
> > > > > > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and battles
> > fought in
> > > > the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all
> > mythologised
> > > > history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a myth that is in dire
> > need of
> > > > busting!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen. Yahya Khan
> > at a
> > > > radio interview at the launching of the Operation Searchlight in
> > March, 1971
> > > > in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million of them, and they will
> > eat out
> > > > of our hands!" The number â€"3 million â€" is immaterial,
> > though admittedly
> > > > there is an irresolvable argument that swirls around it. What is
> > legally
> > > > relevant here, however, is the clear expression of goal and intent
> > to commit
> > > > genocide by Pak military apparatus in East Pakistan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of the war
> > crimes
> > > > of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye witnesses and
> > personal
> > > > encounters from among the Pakistani military personnel are coming up
> > with
> > > > accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman Ali, et al, exhibiting
> > fierce
> > > > anti-Bengali racism that underscored activities against unarmed,
> > > > unthreatening civilians. Such activities were regarded as
> > reprehensive by
> > > > even the soldiers who carried out the orders because they violated
> > the rules
> > > > and norms of engagement in warfare. Several books have come out over
> > the
> > > > years by various Pakistani army personnel including one by the
> > infamous
> > > > General Niazi. They are all replete with quotations and records of
> > utter
> > > > racial contempt for the Bengalis of East Pakistan on the part of top
> > brass
> > > > military officers in the Pakistani army who wanted at least a
> > partial
> > > > destruction of the whole race of Bengalis as a punitive measure for
> > their
> > > > rebellion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U. N.
> > Convetion:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of
> > > > Genocide (For full text click here)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of
> > the
> > > > following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
> > part, a
> > > > national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > > > > > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the
> > group;
> > > > > > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
> > calculated
> > > > to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
> > > > > > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the
> > group;
> > > > > > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another
> > group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (a) Genocide;
> > > > > > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > > > > > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > > > > > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > > > > > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salutes!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




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[ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge

Mr. M. Ali:

You wrote: "You [Ezajur Rahman] have made me laugh. I do not need to take your challenge. I have hundreds of workers in New York and any one of them can take your challenge. Please do not try to be proud and make me fool by throwing a silly challenge."

He [Ezajur Rahman] made you laugh! What was so funny ?

Let me tell you what is funny, Mr. Ali. It is the way you tried to deflect the genuine challenge thrown at you by Mr. Ezajur Rahman. You simply proved to the Alochoks of this forum that you have no guts.

You are quick to label someone so easily - you have accused Mr. Rahman "YOU ARE SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS." Then when Mr. Rahman challenges you, you put you tails behind your "workers", put a fake smile on your face and try to hide the lump in your throat. Are you afraid that your real face will be exposed ?

The real face of an Indian Razakar - a coward.


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@...>
> Subject: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 3:52 PM
>
>
>
>
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>
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> Mr. Ezajur,
>  
> You have made me laugh. I do not need to take your challenge. I have hundreds of workers in New York and any one of them can take your challenge. Please do not try to be proud and make me fool by throwing a silly challenge. You are most welcome to come to New York and be my guest. If you want I can pay your plane ticket, even. Just please read the book, "The Bullets of 1971" of Dr. Nuran Nabi of New Jersey where you can get all the answers of your challenges and the claims of Sharmila Bose.
>  
> Please read my short e-mail again and again. I thought you are a super brain man, at least in your postings of the last 10 plus years, which shows that you are the number one intellectuals of the Bengalis and in the world. You find deficits in every persons postings and thoughts. Your brain chemical is so sharp and super quality that your can even visualize how the brains of other persons function.
>  
> However, I did not say that you were a Razakar. I wrote that when you were supporting Sharmila Bose.s book, you were signing with the Pakistanis and Razakars, that did not mean that you ware a razakar, You subscribe the ideals and deeds of the Pakistanis and the Razakars regarding our Liberation war of 1971. As I wrote before that Sharmila Bose wrote her book based on and referring to the accounts of the Pakistani Generals who fought the war to kill the Bengalis in 1971. You cannot challenge the number of 6 million jews killed by Hilter and cannot compare the killings of jews by Hilter with the Germans killed by the American, Brithish, Russia and France in action of war. Similarly, you cannot challenge the numbers of 3 million Benaglis killed by the Pakistani military and their supporters. You cannot compare the Bengalis killed by the Pakistani and their supporters with the Pakistani supporters killed by the Freedom Fighters or others in action during
> the liberation war. These are all written in the history. There are thousands of pages of reports stored in the archives all over the world about the killings of Bengalis by the Pakistanis and their collaborators, You just need to research those documents if you want to challenge any information of that time.
>  
> You told that you were not around during the liberation war of 1971 that means you were not born at that time. So, you were not a razakar and you did not witness the liberation war either. You heard or read about the liberation war from the Pakistani and razakar side only.. You must be al teast 19 years junior to me. Because, I was 19 years old in 1971 and I participated in the liberation war and became a thana level commander (Gurudaspur Thana of now Natore District, you can check my background). So, I fought for our liberation war and we made the history. So, please do not dare to challenge a freedom Fighter Commander about the Freedom Fight unless you are real Razakar or Pakistani against whom I fought directly.
>  
> Please check the movie made on me by BBC, London, UK in 1972, "The Children of the Fire"
>  
> Also, please read the article written on me published with my picture in The Daily Guardian of London, UK on August 14, 1972.
>  
> Also please read the article written on me entitled, "The Peace Heros" by Alex Brodie of London, published in the Monthly Magazine, The New Internationalist" with my pictures in April, 1973.
>  
> I think, that should be enough for now.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Dr. Mohsin Ali, New York (Now visiting Bangladesh, May 16, 2011 1:52 AM.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@...>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, "wideminds" <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>, "dahuk" <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Abid Bahar" <abidbahar@...>, notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, "Nayan Khan" <udarakash08@...>, mohiuddin@..., zoglul@..., "Bangla Zindabad" <Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>, "Sonar Bangladesh" <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, serajurrahman@..., "ovimot yahoogroups" <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>, farhadmazhar@..., "History islam" <history_islam@yahoogroups.com>, alapon@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: "ezajur" <Ezajur@...>
> Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 11:32 AM
>
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>  
>
>
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> Friends
>
>
> The proposition of Mr. Ezazur is not only courageous but also timely since the BALIST have made the life of Bangladeshis hell by playing the same "Bhanga" record on and on thousands of  days and on. They are trying their best with the connivance of the congenital liars "Gwan Papis" the so-called self declared Jibis to change the original history of our only pride the great "Mohan mukti Judhdha". 
>
>
> By such distortion of truth/facts the newly born Projonmo started believing that the " Historic Bhasha Andolon(the Language Movement) was conducted from Faridpur Jail and the Mohan Mukti Judhdha was directed from Cantonment jail in Larkana, Pakistan by issuing "CHIRCUT"(???).
>
>
> Ezazur Bhai go ahead all Bangladeshis are with you and the truth. But brother, I doubt that whether the opponent do possess the courage to accept challenge of truth ???????????
>
>
> Salam and sincere regards.
>
>
> Faruque Alamgir
>
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, ezajur <Ezajur@...> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> I believe that Sharmila Bose has questioned the narrative of people like you and Farida Majid and that can only be a good thing. As such I am morally obliged to take her side against blind party loyalists like you even though she could have done a much better job and has made mistakes in her approach. I was not around in 1971 - so I'm confident I'm not a rajakar.
> Lets dance.
> I shall probably visit NY this summer. I invite you to reserve any venue in Astoria, Woodside, Jamaica etc. Book it for a 100 people including dinner. I will pick up the bill. We will have a frank debate - just you and me. I will come alone but if I can get a local youth organisation to attend I will do so. Please bring your fellow AL doctors, professors, advisors and committee members. I have the following non negotiable conditions:
> 1. At least 20 young people over the age of 18 must attend. At least 10 must be children of AL committee members. You must introduce me to each one before the discussion.
> 2. We each speak for 2 sessions of 30 minutes each - ie 2 hours in total.
> 3. If I am interrupted by your members you pay me $1,000. And vice versa.
> 4. Two subjects: 1) the 3 million dead of 1971 and 2) the difference between your politics and my politics.
> 5.  You can choose any elder to be the conductor as long as he has a beard.
> I will take any number of questions. There is no winner, just a free discussion. You are welcome to bring local Deshi tv. I will also try. The transcript of the discussion will be edited by a dignitary agreed by both of us in advance of the discussion. The edited transcript will be available for reproduction without permission from you or me.
> Lets see if you know my real face or if I know your real face.
> I am waiting for your reply.
> Ezajur Rahman
> Kuwait
>  
>  
>          
>  
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@> wrote:
> >
> > SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE WHICH IS THE STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION WAR. YOU ARE SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER LIKED SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS YOUR REAL FACE.
> >
> > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: ezajur Ezajur@
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh war of 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and the dominant post war narrative and those who have profited from it.
> >
> > The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were exterminated. As proven by the lack of any meaningful effort to measure the number of deaths by successive governments of Bangladesh.
> >
> > The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of 1971 is real and that those who shout about it are those who are fit to govern best. As proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
> >
> > Those who have profited are those who have publicly promoted the myth and privately benefitted with power and money. As proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
> >
> > What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question anything about 1971 because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind, empowers her and her politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they want and rule as they see fit. Screw them.
> >
> > The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the ruination of our country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges and export earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better. And as AL and BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self indulgence they ignore the future at the nation's peril.
> >
> > If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country keep quiet. There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
> >
> > Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are true to their dead leader, their dead father and their dead values.
> >
> > They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the soil of our country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our people and our beautiful country.
> >
> > Just look at the condition of our country! You know why there is no class war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists can't bend their knees?
> >
> > May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the truth and may that truth embrace the next generation.
> >
> > To all hypocrites - ££££ you!
> >
> > Ezajur Rahman
> >
> > Its so loud, inside in my head
> > With words that I should have said.
> > As I drown in my regrets
> > I can't take back
> > the words I never said.
> > Lupe Fiasco
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid farida_majid@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila Bose in Al Jazeera.net :
> > > Farida Majid
> > >
> > > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the `dominant narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant to bust the myth of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her book's spin is strung around a few instances of atrocities committed by Mukti fighters upon non-Bengali collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No one denies those cruel acts of retaliation. All wars are cruel and ugly. But by themselves those acts, or her other fieldwork denying widespread rape and murder (questioning the occurrence of any rape by Pakistani soldiers since she could not get figures of exact date, time and place of each sexual assault), have not been able to disprove any of the well-known incidences of crimes against humanity committed by an uniformed, fully equipped with modern arms and ammunition, professionally trained Pakistani army and its Bengali collaborators in 1971. I
> > doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has unearthed could be presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense against the charges brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
> > >
> > > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant narrative' the fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her citing of the example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught in the melee of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of 2011, shows to what pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination in assessing the overall reality of people's struggle for freedom from oppression. Such struggles in the annals of history are messy, never picture-book perfect. Sarmila though is unforgiving, and is too mean-spirited to tolerate "freedom and democracy-loving people rising up against oppressive dictators." She has to take up the arms of a `scholarly study' to bust the myth!
> > >
> > > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
> > >
> > > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
> > >
> > > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms Bose's so-called `research' and report, that genocide did not take place at all in 1971 in the then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is all about partisan exaggeration and no one in the international community but her could detect the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
> > >
> > > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so long from mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's eighth most populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty and independence as a nation?
> > >
> > > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for independence from a colonized condition ought to be labeled as having "profited from mythologizing history." And that would include United States of America.
> > > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and battles fought in the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all mythologised history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a myth that is in dire need of busting!
> > >
> > > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen. Yahya Khan at a radio interview at the launching of the Operation Searchlight in March, 1971 in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million of them, and they will eat out of our hands!" The number â€"3 million â€" is immaterial, though admittedly there is an irresolvable argument that swirls around it. What is legally relevant here, however, is the clear expression of goal and intent to commit genocide by Pak military apparatus in East Pakistan.
> > >
> > > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of the war crimes of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye witnesses and personal encounters from among the Pakistani military personnel are coming up with accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman Ali, et al, exhibiting fierce anti-Bengali racism that underscored activities against unarmed, unthreatening civilians. Such activities were regarded as reprehensive by even the soldiers who carried out the orders because they violated the rules and norms of engagement in warfare. Several books have come out over the years by various Pakistani army personnel including one by the infamous General Niazi. They are all replete with quotations and records of utter racial contempt for the Bengalis of East Pakistan on the part of top brass military officers in the Pakistani army who wanted at least a partial destruction of the whole race of Bengalis as a punitive measure for their rebellion.
> > >
> > > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U. N. Convetion:
> > >
> > > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)
> > >
> > > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> > >
> > > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
> > > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
> > > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
> > > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
> > >
> > > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
> > >
> > > (a) Genocide;
> > > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
> > >
> > > Salutes!
> > >
> > > Farida Majid
> > >
> >
>


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