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Monday, November 21, 2016

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Make America white again



With limited intellectual freedom, no country can achieve their full potential. The process would not be sustainable in long run. China can produce cheap goods for the whole world but can it produce great thinkers, artists, scientists and citizens with coercion? If the answer is still questionable, I say, I would not hold my breath China to concur the whole world. Yes, it will project its power onto the surrounding countries but that would not be enough to win the hearts and minds of others in this hostile nuclear age.
Again, it is not clear to me either what Prof. Das is really thinking?


On Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I am not sure what you are referring to. As far as I can see, in my crystal ball, Chinese success is not boundless; apparent success, that we see now, is attained at the cost of enslaving Chinese working class by the autocratic elite government class. How long such exploitation can be sustained? Soon, they will demand fair share of the success. Chinese economy already started to slow down. So, I am not as hopeful about Chinese dominance in the World as you are. Then, again, I am not a Maoist, as you are.
Jiten Roy
 



From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Make America white again

 
Nothing would prevent them from an  eventual Chinese takeover.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
If someone is given a chance to choose between living within angry white Christian people and non-white (Black, Latino, Muslim, etc.)people, he/she will, probably, prefer angry white Christian neighborhood.
 
Jiten Roy



From: "DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:36 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Make America white again

 
Why blame Trump and whites when most Muslim countries put Bismillah at the very top their constitutions? Good for goose but not for gander? Many whites are feeling marginalized too in their own backyard. Are they wrong?

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:
During election cycle you hear of slogan and emotional rages. Unlike the decomcracies in developing countries that charged atmozpere
almost magically evaporate, in a day or two. Not so this time; it us perfect Strom of poltics. It has gender , generational and ethnic hatred components to if. The election win of trump is essentially a victory of angry old white men. They want savor the victory old fashioned way,. To them majority rule means, subjucation of loosing party. Irony is, majority voting block is minority this time ( if consider popular vote).

If democracy survive for another millennium, then election has all nuances for social scientists and historians to refer. One side clear and narrow interest as goal, when other side is viewed literally and figuratively khadlidscope of ideas and interests

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/ 11/10/us/post-election-hate- crimes-and-fears-trnd/index. html










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Philosopher predicted rise of Trump-like figure in '98 book
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Philosopher Richard Rorty in 2004. (Photo: Hasan Sarbakhshian/AP)
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The victory of Donald Trump caught countless progressives and establishment conservatives by surprise. Since Election Day, there's been no shortage of ink spent trying to sort out the underlying factors behind his startling rise to the Oval Office. But for late philosopher Richard Rorty, the writing was on the wall.
In 1998, Rorty, who most recently taught at Stanford University, argued in "Achieving Our Country: Leftist Thought in Twentieth-Century America" that "old industrialized democracies" are heading toward a period "in which populist movements are likely to overturn constitutional governments."
He said the left had embraced identity politics at the expense of economic justice. Resentment would fester among the working class as they realized that the powers that be were not fighting to stop wages from shrinking or jobs from being sent overseas.
He suggested that many would turn to a "strongman" to flip the script on the smug, overpaid and deceitful who had long neglected their suffering. The author said the progress made on behalf of ethnic minorities, homosexuals and women would then run the risk of being rolled back.
One reason Rorty perceived something many other left-leaning academics missed might have to do with his chosen philosophical tradition: pragmatism, which emphasizes practical consequences. He died in 2007, so we will never know for sure what he would have thought about Trump's highly unconventional campaign.
A few days after Trump's surprise victory, Queen's University law professor Lisa Kerr and others posted a particularly prescient passage from "Achieving Our Country" on Twitter. The three paragraphs swiftly caught fire on social media and were shared thousands of times. The New Yorker cited the passage in a profile of President Obama, and the New York Times analyzed the words in-depth.
Here is the slightly condensed version of the passage that Kerr posted online:
"[M]embers of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers — themselves desperately afraid of being downsized — are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.
 
At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for — someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots.…
 
One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past 40 years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion.… All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet."
Amid the renewed attention, online searches for "Achieving Our Country" skyrocketed and there was a run on the book at Harvard University Press, which is reprinting the book and plans to make it available online as soon as possible.
Lindsay Waters, executive editor for the humanities at Harvard University Press, recalled having big arguments with Rorty before the book was published because he thought it was "too old-style liberal."
"He thought some of the liberals from the 1930s were really fabulous. He was trying to revive the left with this book. He was trying to kick them in the rear end so they would stop doing stuff that was easy and lazy however trendy it looked," Waters said in an interview with Yahoo News.
According to Waters, Rorty was a clear-thinking provocateur who refused to play it safe and retained the ability to see larger trends, the big picture. He said a lot of scholars in academia think of themselves as left-wingers but don't actually do anything.


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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Make America white again



I am not sure what you are referring to. As far as I can see, in my crystal ball, Chinese success is not boundless; apparent success, that we see now, is attained at the cost of enslaving Chinese working class by the autocratic elite government class. How long such exploitation can be sustained? Soon, they will demand fair share of the success. Chinese economy already started to slow down. So, I am not as hopeful about Chinese dominance in the World as you are. Then, again, I am not a Maoist, as you are.
Jiten Roy
 



From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Make America white again

 
Nothing would prevent them from an  eventual Chinese takeover.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
If someone is given a chance to choose between living within angry white Christian people and non-white (Black, Latino, Muslim, etc.)people, he/she will, probably, prefer angry white Christian neighborhood.
 
Jiten Roy



From: "DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:36 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Make America white again

 
Why blame Trump and whites when most Muslim countries put Bismillah at the very top their constitutions? Good for goose but not for gander? Many whites are feeling marginalized too in their own backyard. Are they wrong?

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:
During election cycle you hear of slogan and emotional rages. Unlike the decomcracies in developing countries that charged atmozpere
almost magically evaporate, in a day or two. Not so this time; it us perfect Strom of poltics. It has gender , generational and ethnic hatred components to if. The election win of trump is essentially a victory of angry old white men. They want savor the victory old fashioned way,. To them majority rule means, subjucation of loosing party. Irony is, majority voting block is minority this time ( if consider popular vote).

If democracy survive for another millennium, then election has all nuances for social scientists and historians to refer. One side clear and narrow interest as goal, when other side is viewed literally and figuratively khadlidscope of ideas and interests

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/ 11/10/us/post-election-hate- crimes-and-fears-trnd/index. html








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[mukto-mona] Another deplorable Trump voter? Think again!



If Trump wants to deal with countries that produce extreme Jihadis, why that should be considered as a problem for peace loving Muslims? Why it becomes so hurtful? Why this pertinent issue should not be brought to the surface? For whose interest? To protect whom? The answer is  in the air.


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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: DEMONETIZATION VISUALS: WHO ARE CELEBRATING & WHO ARE GRIEVING?



Modi's black magic might work despite all sorts of short term problems. It is basically forcing crooks to burn their money. Alternatively, they will be forced to donate these ill-gotten money to the poor for future services. I bet people are pissed off with Modi's gambit.
 


On Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:14 PM, "ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Whoever wrote this article (be it Sujan Bhattacharyya or Ranadeb Dasgupta or someone else), I would say that he is numerically illiterate, technically imbecile and mentally deranged. 
First of all, let us assess his numerical analysis. As he quoted, the basic poverty line income is Rs (Indian Rupee) 816 per month and correspondingly the daily income is Rs 27.20 (he stated that figure correctly). A family of five living on the poverty line would spend Rs 816 x 5 = Rs 4,080 per month (he stated Rs 4,064, a small mistake which can be overlooked). Two earning members would get Rs 816 x 2 = Rs 1,632 (how did he get Rs 2,023 per month?). From this point on, his calculation goes haywire. For example, two earning members would get Rs 27.20 x 2 = Rs 54.40; but he said Rs 67.00. How?

Then he goes on to decry how small this income is in comparison with the western income. Does he know a term called PPP? I will leave it to him to find it out and understand the full implication of it before he compares apples and oranges.

This is typical of bigoted minds trying to find faults with others whom they don't like. In the bigoted process they make an ass of themselves. 

- AR 


On Sunday, 20 November 2016, 16:36, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


This is the India whose immense POWER  the BNP-Zindabadwallah are constantly fantasizing about and are scared shit that any day it will gobble up poor poor poor little Bangladesh.

Ranadeb Dasgupta
2 hrs · 
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Sujan Bhattacharyya লিখেছেন । পড়ে দেখুন বন্ধুরা :
ভারত সরকারের দেওয়া তথ্য অনুযায়ী ১৩৩ কোটি ভারতীয়ের মধ্যে ২৭% দারিদ্র সীমার নিচে বসবাস করেন। প্রতি ১০০ জনের মধ্যে মাত্র ২৭ জন! আহ্লাদে অনেকেই হয়তো গড়িয়েই পড়বেন। তাহলে আসুন একবার সেই দারিদ্র সীমাটি কী বস্তু জানা যাক।
ভারত সরকারের রীতি অনুযায়ী মাসে ৮১৬ টাকা উপার্জনই হোলো দারিদ্র সীমা। এর নিচে যাদের উপার্জন,তারাই দারিদ্র সীমার নিচে। এমন একজন মানুষ যদি রোজই কাজ করেন, তাহলে তার গড় দৈনিক আয় হবে ২৭ টাকা ২০ পয়সা। ধরেই নেওয়া যায়, এমন একটি মানুষ যা রোজগার করেন, তার সবটাই খরচ করে ফেলেন। এখন যদি তার পরিবারে ৫জন সদস্য থাকে ( আদমসুমারির গড় অনুযায়ী) তাহলে সারা মাসে তার মোট খরচ হবে ৪০৬৪ টাকা। এই টাকাটা সেই পরিবারকে উপার্জন করতে হবে। যদি পরিবারে দুজন উপার্জনক্ষম হন, তাহলে তাদের গড় মাসিক উপার্জন হবে ২০২৩ টাকা, অর্থাৎ গড় দৈনিক আয় ৬৭ টাকা। তাহলে এই সীমায় থাকা একটি পরিবারের মোট বার্ষিক উপার্জন হবে ৪৮,৭৬৮ টাকা।
২০০৫ সালে ভারত সরকার National Rural Employment Guarantee Act পাশ করেন। এই আইনে গ্রামাঞ্চলে দারিদ্রসীমার বসবাসকারী প্রতিটি পরিবারের অন্তত একজন করে সক্ষম ব্যক্তিকে বছরে একশো দিনের কাজ দেওয়া হবে। NREGA তে দৈনিক মজুরি বর্তমানে ১৩৭ টাকা। সেক্ষেত্রে এমন একজন মানুষ সারাবছরে সর্বোচ্চ ১৩,৭০০ টাকা উপার্জন করতে পারেন। দুজনেই যদি নিয়মিত কাজ পান, তাহলে পরিবারপিছু সর্বোচ্চ বার্ষিক মজুরি হতে পারে ২৭,৪০০ টাকা। অর্থাৎ NREGA-র মাধ্যমে দারিদ্র সীমায় থাকা একটি পরিবারের বার্ষিক খরচের মোটামুটি অর্ধেক যোগান দেওয়া সম্ভব।
আজকাল আমরা খুব আন্তর্জাতিক হয়ে গিয়েছি। কথায় কথায় ইউরোপ- আমেরিকার প্রসঙ্গ টানা আমাদের অভ্যাস হয়ে গেছে। তাহলে এই ব্যাপারটাও একটু আন্তর্জাতিক মানে বিচার করা যাক। বিশ্ব ব্যাঙ্কের নিয়ম্মাফিক আন্তর্জাতিক দারিদ্রসীমা হোলো মাথাপিছু দৈনিক ১.২৫ ডলার উপার্জন। এখন যদি মোটামুটি ডলারের দর ধরি ৬০ টাকা, তাহলে এই অঙ্কটা হয় ৭৫ টাকা। সেই টাকাটা পুরোটাই খরচ হবার কথা জীবনধারনের জন্য। তাহলে ৫জনের এমন একটি পরিবারপিছু দৈনিক ব্যয় হবে ৩৭৫ টাকা। মাসিক খরচ ১১,২৫০ টাকা। যদি পরিবারপিছু উপার্জনক্ষম মানুষের সংখ্যা ২ বলে ধরা হয়, তাহলে একেকজনের গড় মাসিক উপার্জন হতে হবে ৫৬২৫ টাকা। সেন্সাস রিপোর্টের হিসাবে এমন উপার্জন ধরলে আরো ৩৩% মানুষ এর নিচে আসবেন। অর্থাৎ আন্তর্জাতিক দারিদ্রসীমার হিসাবে ভারতের ৬০% মানুষ দারিদ্রসীমার নিচে।
India-র সাথে তুলনা করলে এই ভারতবর্ষ ক্রমশ অন্ধকারে ডুবে যাচ্ছে। আগামী দিনে হয়তো হিন্দু-মুসলিম নয়, India-ভারত দাঙ্গা বাঁধবে।
 


From: Shamsul Islam <notoinjustice@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:01 PM
Subject: DEMONETIZATION VISUALS: WHO ARE CELEBRATING & WHO ARE GRIEVING?
 

For your kind perusal.
S. Islam







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Re: [mukto-mona] Merkel's 4th term?



Merkel wants a Nobel peace prize for her magnanimity?


On Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:12 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Markel lost all perspectives of reality due to her intrinsic belief in liberalism, as it did for Hillary Clinton.
 
Liberalism is an ideological belief that is hard to change once getting indoctrinated. Only pragmatics, like Trump, can change course, based on reality.
 
Jiten Roy 



From: "DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:47 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Merkel's 4th term?

 
With Brexit and Trump phenomena are still in the air, Merkel thinks she can win 4th term? German silent majority are totally pissed off with this lady! And, she does not get it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38042937






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