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RE: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists




Funny! Those very people who pretend to speak in "truthful and logical statements" resort to hearsay rumors that have been well-dispersed as false history of India. Why should historiography be dependent on 'opinion' and not on scientific methodology based on evidences and proven conclusions?


To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 02:56:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists

 

Farida Majid's brain is partially blocked by the influence of her religion. So, it is quite unexpected that truthful and logical statements will emanate from such mind. Aurangzeb was one of the most ambitious ruthless emperors India ever had, which, unfortunately, is a pride for people like Farida.
History of Muslim rulers is not correctly documented, perhaps,  due to lack of proper education among Indians in that period. More than 500 years of Muslim rule, gave Indians Forts, Taj Mahal and mosques on the existing local temples.
On the contrary, 200 years of British rule educated Indians, and developed India by giving world class education system, judicial system, medical system, and communication system of that era, some of which they still use.
Jiten Roy 


 

From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists

 
It is funny that Muslims did not have any problem with two hundreds years of Mughal rule of India. But when democratic rule were to be introduced in 1947, all hell broke loose. Suddenly Muslims were afraid of loosing everything including democratic rights? So what did we get? Our peyara and pure Pakistan! How did that experiment go? Do I need to elaborate any further? One wing is ruled by strong military and the other did not hesitate to kill its founder. And democratic rule is still a dream for the masses and our Jeffersonian BNP cadres. We should blame Hindus, Jews and Christians because they did teach and show us the road to the democracy. They cheated us and now we have to kill each other to establish the rule of heaven? What word you do not understand? 

Farida, thank God English came, exploited us and enlightened us than having more Aurangebs ruling this great country of Bharat for another two hundreds more. Mughals are no less foreigners than English.     
 




On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:15 PM, "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Shaheen,
       Sukhmay Bain is a tiresome troll whose heart is blackened by a communal rage.  He says outrageously absurd  things against the Muslims day after day, month after month, year after year.

          Now, you can feel like appeasing him by saying things against Aurangzeb -- the Emperor who brought the Mughal Empire to the zenith of its glory. The British started this bad-mouthing about Aurangzeb in broad generalizations (with the idea of upholding the European superiority over a degenerate Muslim ruler) -- none of the allegations hold up when examined in detail.  There is new scholarship available with surprising evidences of the glory of Aurangzeb's rule, both at home and abroad.  The Mughal Empire lasted 100 yrs after Aurangzeb's death, and the prosperity was undiminished until the British started robbing India's wealth -- outright looting!
             Also, the British did not "rule" India for several centuries.  There was a commercial outfit -- the East India Company -- that did the looting in the guise of doing trade. It was not until after 1857 War of Resistance fought against the British Company by both Hindus and Muslims of India (I refuse to call it Sepoy Mutiny) that the British Empire officially gobbled India.


Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:20:34 -0400
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists
From: alishaheen2010@gmail.com
To: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com

Incredible!  Do say more on how it began in 7th. century Arabia?  Did Muhammad call for the division of India?!  He negotiated the Madina Charter to make peace with Jews, Christians and pagans whereby they were considered part of the Muslim community.  Have you studied the history of 7th. century Arabia Mr. Bain?

There was Muslim rule in India but the decline started with Aurangzeb.  More recently there was British rule in India for several centuries too.  So why the animosity between Muslims and Hindus but not Christians and Hindus or Christians and Muslims?  Because the Muslim population was larger and they wanted their share of resources and power which the Hindu majority was not willing to share.  Jinnah did not want independence.  Like Mujib, he wanted autonomy, and like Mujib he too was forced to declare independence because of the pig headedness of majority Hindus and the stubbornness of Nehru and his secret deals with the British thanks to his "friendship" with Mrs. Mountbatten.  

Similarly Bangalis who were at the forefront of the Pakistan independence movement got tired of being colonized and persecuted by Pakistanis and their refusal to share power even after Awami League won the elections in 1971.  Open your eyes to politics Mr. Bain - it is more than religion, it is about power and resources, but religion is used every step of the way to manipulate the masses.  It was the Pakistani army that killed Hindus in East Pakistan in 1971 and it is the Saudi funded madrasahs that are now promoting anti-Hindu propaganda in Bangladesh.  It is not Islam it is politics, and religion is only being used to serve political agendas.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:42 AM, 'Sukhamaya Bain' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:
The deadly legacy did not begin in 1947 in the Indian subcontinent. It began in the 7th century Arabia.
Look, if it were just the 1947 India, neither Bangladesh nor Pakistan would have had Islam in the business of the state. If these two countries were respectful of the non-Muslims of the land, today they would be competing friendly with India on secular humanism, justice, peace, science, technology, and prosperity. Blaming it all on 1947, the British rulers, etc. is really diverting the reality of the last 65 years. (Assume the first 3 years to be the unavoidable turbulent time after the partition).
I would not be surprised if Nisid Hajari is paid by the pan-Islamic powers/interest groups.
 
SuBain
 
===========================
 



On Monday, June 15, 2015 11:16 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists To This Day

June 09, 2015 1:49 PM ET
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947. i
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947.
AP

<< 

On how Muslims felt alienated from the independence movement



Part of [Gandhi's] genius was he was able to broaden out the appeal of the independence movement, which, until that movement, had been restricted to fairly wealthy lawyers and landowners and so on, who would debate things like percentages in these legislatures ... but he broadened it out to the masses. But the way he did it was by using Hindu iconography and stories, mythology, every evening he would have a prayer meeting where they would chant Hindu hymns but also read from the Quran and so forth. He was personally very unprejudiced about this, but his natural background was Hindu and his audience was almost entirely Hindu and he appealed to them in the language that they understood. But for Muslims, ordinary Muslims, who would see this and listen to these speeches and so forth, he seemed like a Hindu figure more than a national figure — not all Muslims, of course, but a great many of them.


http://www.npr.org/2015/06/09/413121135/indias-1947-partition-and-the-deadly-legacy-that-persists-to-this-day


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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists



Muslim rule in India for two more centuries would have made it like Iraq and Syria without oil. Mughal rule in India had its zenith during Sajahan who had more than his share of follies. After Aurangzeb, Marathis were de facto rulers. Before and even during his rule, the Rajput generals were decisive factor. 

Ms. Majid has the brain of a rotten minnow. On the other hand, blaming all disasters in Indian history on Muslim invasion is unfair. India never had the ability to defend itself. Even the Hittites came from Turkey. They were known later as Aryans.

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On Jun 18, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Farida Majid's brain is partially blocked by the influence of her religion. So, it is quite unexpected that truthful and logical statements will emanate from such mind. Aurangzeb was one of the most ambitious ruthless emperors India ever had, which, unfortunately, is a pride for people like Farida.
History of Muslim rulers is not correctly documented, perhaps,  due to lack of proper education among Indians in that period. More than 500 years of Muslim rule, gave Indians Forts, Taj Mahal and mosques on the existing local temples.
On the contrary, 200 years of British rule educated Indians, and developed India by giving world class education system, judicial system, medical system, and communication system of that era, some of which they still use.
Jiten Roy 


 

From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists

 
It is funny that Muslims did not have any problem with two hundreds years of Mughal rule of India. But when democratic rule were to be introduced in 1947, all hell broke loose. Suddenly Muslims were afraid of loosing everything including democratic rights? So what did we get? Our peyara and pure Pakistan! How did that experiment go? Do I need to elaborate any further? One wing is ruled by strong military and the other did not hesitate to kill its founder. And democratic rule is still a dream for the masses and our Jeffersonian BNP cadres. We should blame Hindus, Jews and Christians because they did teach and show us the road to the democracy. They cheated us and now we have to kill each other to establish the rule of heaven? What word you do not understand? 

Farida, thank God English came, exploited us and enlightened us than having more Aurangebs ruling this great country of Bharat for another two hundreds more. Mughals are no less foreigners than English.     
 




On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:15 PM, "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Shaheen,
       Sukhmay Bain is a tiresome troll whose heart is blackened by a communal rage.  He says outrageously absurd  things against the Muslims day after day, month after month, year after year.

          Now, you can feel like appeasing him by saying things against Aurangzeb -- the Emperor who brought the Mughal Empire to the zenith of its glory. The British started this bad-mouthing about Aurangzeb in broad generalizations (with the idea of upholding the European superiority over a degenerate Muslim ruler) -- none of the allegations hold up when examined in detail.  There is new scholarship available with surprising evidences of the glory of Aurangzeb's rule, both at home and abroad.  The Mughal Empire lasted 100 yrs after Aurangzeb's death, and the prosperity was undiminished until the British started robbing India's wealth -- outright looting!
             Also, the British did not "rule" India for several centuries.  There was a commercial outfit -- the East India Company -- that did the looting in the guise of doing trade. It was not until after 1857 War of Resistance fought against the British Company by both Hindus and Muslims of India (I refuse to call it Sepoy Mutiny) that the British Empire officially gobbled India.


Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:20:34 -0400
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists
From: alishaheen2010@gmail.com
To: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com

Incredible!  Do say more on how it began in 7th. century Arabia?  Did Muhammad call for the division of India?!  He negotiated the Madina Charter to make peace with Jews, Christians and pagans whereby they were considered part of the Muslim community.  Have you studied the history of 7th. century Arabia Mr. Bain?

There was Muslim rule in India but the decline started with Aurangzeb.  More recently there was British rule in India for several centuries too.  So why the animosity between Muslims and Hindus but not Christians and Hindus or Christians and Muslims?  Because the Muslim population was larger and they wanted their share of resources and power which the Hindu majority was not willing to share.  Jinnah did not want independence.  Like Mujib, he wanted autonomy, and like Mujib he too was forced to declare independence because of the pig headedness of majority Hindus and the stubbornness of Nehru and his secret deals with the British thanks to his "friendship" with Mrs. Mountbatten.  

Similarly Bangalis who were at the forefront of the Pakistan independence movement got tired of being colonized and persecuted by Pakistanis and their refusal to share power even after Awami League won the elections in 1971.  Open your eyes to politics Mr. Bain - it is more than religion, it is about power and resources, but religion is used every step of the way to manipulate the masses.  It was the Pakistani army that killed Hindus in East Pakistan in 1971 and it is the Saudi funded madrasahs that are now promoting anti-Hindu propaganda in Bangladesh.  It is not Islam it is politics, and religion is only being used to serve political agendas.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:42 AM, 'Sukhamaya Bain' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:
The deadly legacy did not begin in 1947 in the Indian subcontinent. It began in the 7th century Arabia.
Look, if it were just the 1947 India, neither Bangladesh nor Pakistan would have had Islam in the business of the state. If these two countries were respectful of the non-Muslims of the land, today they would be competing friendly with India on secular humanism, justice, peace, science, technology, and prosperity. Blaming it all on 1947, the British rulers, etc. is really diverting the reality of the last 65 years. (Assume the first 3 years to be the unavoidable turbulent time after the partition).
I would not be surprised if Nisid Hajari is paid by the pan-Islamic powers/interest groups.
 
SuBain
 
===========================
 



On Monday, June 15, 2015 11:16 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists To This Day

June 09, 2015 1:49 PM ET
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947. i
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947.
AP

<< 

On how Muslims felt alienated from the independence movement



Part of [Gandhi's] genius was he was able to broaden out the appeal of the independence movement, which, until that movement, had been restricted to fairly wealthy lawyers and landowners and so on, who would debate things like percentages in these legislatures ... but he broadened it out to the masses. But the way he did it was by using Hindu iconography and stories, mythology, every evening he would have a prayer meeting where they would chant Hindu hymns but also read from the Quran and so forth. He was personally very unprejudiced about this, but his natural background was Hindu and his audience was almost entirely Hindu and he appealed to them in the language that they understood. But for Muslims, ordinary Muslims, who would see this and listen to these speeches and so forth, he seemed like a Hindu figure more than a national figure — not all Muslims, of course, but a great many of them.


http://www.npr.org/2015/06/09/413121135/indias-1947-partition-and-the-deadly-legacy-that-persists-to-this-day


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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists



Farida Majid's brain is partially blocked by the influence of her religion. So, it is quite unexpected that truthful and logical statements will emanate from such mind. Aurangzeb was one of the most ambitious ruthless emperors India ever had, which, unfortunately, is a pride for people like Farida.
History of Muslim rulers is not correctly documented, perhaps,  due to lack of proper education among Indians in that period. More than 500 years of Muslim rule, gave Indians Forts, Taj Mahal and mosques on the existing local temples.
On the contrary, 200 years of British rule educated Indians, and developed India by giving world class education system, judicial system, medical system, and communication system of that era, some of which they still use.
Jiten Roy 


 

From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists

 
It is funny that Muslims did not have any problem with two hundreds years of Mughal rule of India. But when democratic rule were to be introduced in 1947, all hell broke loose. Suddenly Muslims were afraid of loosing everything including democratic rights? So what did we get? Our peyara and pure Pakistan! How did that experiment go? Do I need to elaborate any further? One wing is ruled by strong military and the other did not hesitate to kill its founder. And democratic rule is still a dream for the masses and our Jeffersonian BNP cadres. We should blame Hindus, Jews and Christians because they did teach and show us the road to the democracy. They cheated us and now we have to kill each other to establish the rule of heaven? What word you do not understand? 

Farida, thank God English came, exploited us and enlightened us than having more Aurangebs ruling this great country of Bharat for another two hundreds more. Mughals are no less foreigners than English.     
 




On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:15 PM, "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Shaheen,
       Sukhmay Bain is a tiresome troll whose heart is blackened by a communal rage.  He says outrageously absurd  things against the Muslims day after day, month after month, year after year.

          Now, you can feel like appeasing him by saying things against Aurangzeb -- the Emperor who brought the Mughal Empire to the zenith of its glory. The British started this bad-mouthing about Aurangzeb in broad generalizations (with the idea of upholding the European superiority over a degenerate Muslim ruler) -- none of the allegations hold up when examined in detail.  There is new scholarship available with surprising evidences of the glory of Aurangzeb's rule, both at home and abroad.  The Mughal Empire lasted 100 yrs after Aurangzeb's death, and the prosperity was undiminished until the British started robbing India's wealth -- outright looting!
             Also, the British did not "rule" India for several centuries.  There was a commercial outfit -- the East India Company -- that did the looting in the guise of doing trade. It was not until after 1857 War of Resistance fought against the British Company by both Hindus and Muslims of India (I refuse to call it Sepoy Mutiny) that the British Empire officially gobbled India.


Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:20:34 -0400
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists
From: alishaheen2010@gmail.com
To: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com

Incredible!  Do say more on how it began in 7th. century Arabia?  Did Muhammad call for the division of India?!  He negotiated the Madina Charter to make peace with Jews, Christians and pagans whereby they were considered part of the Muslim community.  Have you studied the history of 7th. century Arabia Mr. Bain?

There was Muslim rule in India but the decline started with Aurangzeb.  More recently there was British rule in India for several centuries too.  So why the animosity between Muslims and Hindus but not Christians and Hindus or Christians and Muslims?  Because the Muslim population was larger and they wanted their share of resources and power which the Hindu majority was not willing to share.  Jinnah did not want independence.  Like Mujib, he wanted autonomy, and like Mujib he too was forced to declare independence because of the pig headedness of majority Hindus and the stubbornness of Nehru and his secret deals with the British thanks to his "friendship" with Mrs. Mountbatten.  

Similarly Bangalis who were at the forefront of the Pakistan independence movement got tired of being colonized and persecuted by Pakistanis and their refusal to share power even after Awami League won the elections in 1971.  Open your eyes to politics Mr. Bain - it is more than religion, it is about power and resources, but religion is used every step of the way to manipulate the masses.  It was the Pakistani army that killed Hindus in East Pakistan in 1971 and it is the Saudi funded madrasahs that are now promoting anti-Hindu propaganda in Bangladesh.  It is not Islam it is politics, and religion is only being used to serve political agendas.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:42 AM, 'Sukhamaya Bain' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:
The deadly legacy did not begin in 1947 in the Indian subcontinent. It began in the 7th century Arabia.
Look, if it were just the 1947 India, neither Bangladesh nor Pakistan would have had Islam in the business of the state. If these two countries were respectful of the non-Muslims of the land, today they would be competing friendly with India on secular humanism, justice, peace, science, technology, and prosperity. Blaming it all on 1947, the British rulers, etc. is really diverting the reality of the last 65 years. (Assume the first 3 years to be the unavoidable turbulent time after the partition).
I would not be surprised if Nisid Hajari is paid by the pan-Islamic powers/interest groups.
 
SuBain
 
===========================
 



On Monday, June 15, 2015 11:16 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists To This Day

June 09, 2015 1:49 PM ET
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947. i
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947.
AP

<< 

On how Muslims felt alienated from the independence movement



Part of [Gandhi's] genius was he was able to broaden out the appeal of the independence movement, which, until that movement, had been restricted to fairly wealthy lawyers and landowners and so on, who would debate things like percentages in these legislatures ... but he broadened it out to the masses. But the way he did it was by using Hindu iconography and stories, mythology, every evening he would have a prayer meeting where they would chant Hindu hymns but also read from the Quran and so forth. He was personally very unprejudiced about this, but his natural background was Hindu and his audience was almost entirely Hindu and he appealed to them in the language that they understood. But for Muslims, ordinary Muslims, who would see this and listen to these speeches and so forth, he seemed like a Hindu figure more than a national figure — not all Muslims, of course, but a great many of them.


http://www.npr.org/2015/06/09/413121135/indias-1947-partition-and-the-deadly-legacy-that-persists-to-this-day


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[mukto-mona] Fwd: Please Reads



Published in Bhorer Kagoj, a national daily in Dhaka  also on 18th June 2015, see the link: http://www.bhorerkagoj.net/print-edition/2015/06/18/37723.php

Also at weekly Thikana in NY on Wednesday, June 17, 2015, print copy only.

Also at Dhakar News: http://dhakarnews.com/index.php/mukto/item/28191-2015-06-15-07-14-29

At NYBangla.Com: http://www.nybangla24.com/?p=9735

& at NJBdNews.com 



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১৯৪৭ সালে তদানিন্তন পূর্ব-পাকিস্তানে হিন্দুর সংখ্যা ছিলো অন্যুন ২৯%; ১৯৭১ সালে ১৯.৬%।  অর্থাৎ পাকিস্তান আমলের পচিশ বছরে কমেছে প্রায় ১০%। বাংলাদেশ আমলে এখন বলা হচ্ছে হিন্দুর সংখ্যা ৯%। তাহলে চার দশকে  কমেছে ১০%। এভাবে অঙ্ক কষলে দেখা যাবে ২০৫০-এর দিকে বাংলাদেশ হিন্দু শুন্য হয়ে যাবে। পাকিস্তান একটি সম্প্রিদায়িক রাষ্ট্র, তদুপরি পাক-ভারত জনসংখ্যা বিনিময়, হিন্দু-মুসলিম দাঙ্গা ইত্যাদি কারণে হিন্দু কমে যাওয়াটা তেমন বেমানান ছিলোনা।  পক্ষান্তরে বাংলাদেশে হিন্দু কমার গ্রহনযোগ্য কোন কারণ নেই, অন্তত: থাকার কথা নয়, তবু অনবরত কমছে তো কমছেই। এর কোন ন্যায়সঙ্গত যৌক্তিক ব্যাখ্যা কারো কাছে নেই, যদিও অনেকে অনেক আবোল-তাবোল তথ্য দিতে পারেন। 

ঢালাও ভাবে অনেকে বলে থাকেন যে, কোন মুসলমান দেশে অমুসলানরা থাকতে পারেনা। মুসলিম বিশ্বের দিকে তাকালে কথাটা তেমন অযৌক্তিক মনে হবেনা। কিন্তু বাংলাদেশের জন্যেও কি তা প্রযোজ্য হবে? নিউইয়র্কে জন্মভূমির সম্পাদক রতন তালুকদার প্রায়শ: বলে থাকেন, 'বাংলাদেশে যখন হিন্দু থাকবেনা, তখন মুসলমানরা পাকিস্তানের মত নিজেদের মধ্যে মারামারি করবে।' কথাটা কিন্তু সত্য।  ইরাক-সিরিয়া বা আফ্রিকার দিকে তাকালে তা বুঝতে অসুবিধা হবার কথা নয়। এমনিতে বিশ্বব্যাপী শিয়া-সুন্নী বিরোধ আগামী দিনগুলোতে জ্যামিতিক হারে বাড়বে। আহমদিয়ারাও বাদ যাবেনা। বাংলাদেশের ক্ষেত্রে হিন্দুরা হলো 'ডিটারেন্ট ফ্যাক্টর' এবং হিন্দু না থাকলে নিজেদের মধ্যে ফাইট অনিবার্য। কারণ, মৌলবাদের ধর্মই হচ্ছে, বিভেদ সৃষ্টি করে অন্যকে নিয়ন্ত্রণে রাখা, ধর্ম এক্ষেত্রে একটি চমত্কার উপাদান।  ধর্মভিত্তিক রাষ্ট্র এজন্যেই বিপদজনক। 


আমাদের দেশের বর্তমান সরকার ধর্মনিরপেক্ষতার চ্যাম্পিয়ান বলে দাবিদার, তারা বলছেন, ২০২১ সালের মধ্যে বাংলাদেশকে একটি মধ্য আয়ের দেশ-এ পরিনত করবেন। জঙ্গী সংগঠন জেএমবি বলছে, ২০২০ সালের মধ্যে তারা বাংলাদেশকে ইসলামী রাষ্ট্রে পরিনত করবে। কোনটি হবার সম্ভবনা বেশি অথবা দু'টোই একসাথে হতে পারে কিনা বা দু'টোই শুধুমাত্র শ্লোগান কিনা তা ভেবে দেখা দরকার। বাংলাদেশের হিন্দুরা ভাবে তারা শেষপর্যন্ত নিজদেশে থাকতে পারবেন না। 'জননী-জন্মভূমি স্বর্গাদপী গরিয়সী'-অর্থাৎ মা ও দেশ হিন্দুরা কাছে স্বর্গ-সমান হলেও চৌদ্দপুরুষের ভিটেমাটি থেকে হিন্দু প্রতিনিয়ত বিতাড়িত। পাশের দেশ ভারত। তারাও জানে, হিন্দুরা থাকতে পারবেনা, চলে আসবে। এক্ষেত্রে বিজেপি ও কংগ্রেসের দৃষ্টিভঙ্গি একই। বর্তমান বিজেপি সরকার তো হিন্দুদের গ্রহণ করার জন্যে অবারিত দ্বার, এবং এজন্যে তারা কিছু আইনও প্রনয়ন করছেন।

অর্থাৎ বাংলাদেশের সংখ্যাগরিস্টরা চান হিন্দুরা ভারত চলে যাক, ভারতের সংখ্যাগরিস্টরাও চায় বাংলাদেশের হিন্দুরা ভারতে চলে আসুক। দু' দেশের সংখ্যাগরিস্টদের মধ্যে কি চমত্কার মিল! যদিও দৃষ্টভঙ্গি ভিন্ন। একপক্ষ অসহায়দের আশ্রয়হীন করতে চাচ্ছে, অন্যপক্ষ আশ্রয়হীনকে আশ্রয় দিতে চাচ্ছে। একজনের অনুদার ও অন্যজনের উদার দৃষ্টিভঙ্গির কারণে চূড়ান্তভাবে ক্ষতিগ্রস্ত হচ্ছে বাংলাদেশের হিন্দু। অনেকেই মনে করেন, ভারত চাইলেই বাংলাদেশের হিন্দুরা নিজদেশে শান্তিতে বসবাস করতে পারে। কথাটার বাস্তবতা কতটা তা বলা মুশকিল, কিন্তু ভারত তা করবে না, যেমন করেনি অতীতে। এবার মোদীর আগমনে অনেকেই চেয়েছেন হিন্দু নির্যাতনের ব্যাপারে তিনি কিছু বলুন, তিনি বলেন নি, বলার কথাও না। কারণ, হিন্দুরা দয়ার পাত্র। ভিক্ষুকের জন্যে কেউ বন্ধুত্ব নস্ট করে?

বাংলাদেশে শান্তিপূর্ণ সহবস্থান দিনে দিনে নস্ট হয়ে যাচ্ছে। যদিও 'শান্তিপূর্ণ সহবস্থান' একটি দেশের উন্নয়নের পূর্বশর্ত- বর্তমান উন্নত বিশ্ব এর প্রমান। হিন্দুরা না থাকলে সহবস্থান যেমন থাকবে না, শান্তিও থাকার কথা নয়। পাকিস্তানকে দেখেও আমাদের তা শেখার কথা ছিলো, আমরা শিখছি কোথায়! অবশ্য কিছু মানুষ আছেন, যারা অশান্তিতে থাকতেও রাজি, কিন্তু হিন্দুর সাথে থাকতে রাজি নন। তাদের কথা ভিন্ন, রাষ্ট্রযন্ত্রটি কি চায় তার ওপর অনেক কিছু নির্ভর করে। পাকিস্তান বা বংলাদেশে রাষ্ট্রযন্ত্র কখনই চায়নি যে, হিন্দুরা এদেশের সন্তান, এদেশেই থাকবে। রাষ্ট্র না চাইলে হবেনা। রাষ্ট্রের দৃষ্টিভঙ্গি পাল্টানোর প্রয়োজন। রাষ্ট্র হবে ধর্ম নির্বিশেষে সবার। সমস্যা হলো, বাংলাদেশ রাষ্ট্রটি বেশির ভাগ সময় পরিচালিত হয়েছে পাকিস্তানী ধ্যান-ধারনায়। তাই এটি সব মানুষের ছিলোনা, ছিলো একটি ক্ষুদ্র জনগোষ্ঠীর। হিন্দুরা সেখানে অবহেলিত থেকেছেন। এবং এখনো তারা উপেক্ষিত।

তাহলে কি এ সমস্যার সমাধান নাই? আপাত:দৃষ্টিতে নাই। ভারতই হিন্দুর চূড়ান্ত গন্তব্য। তা কবি শামসুর রাহমান যতই 'সুধাংশু যাবেনা' কবিতা লিখুন না কেন! সুধাংশুদের যাওয়া ছাড়া রাস্তা নাই, সুধাংশু তোমায় যেতেই হবে, আজ নাহয় কাল। যদিনা আমীর হোসেনের মত উদারমনা মানুষ সাম্প্রদায়িকতা রুখতে নিজের জীবন বিসর্জন দেন। কিন্তু আমীর হোসেনরা তো হারিয়ে গেছেন! এই সেই দেশ যেখানে ৬৪-৬৫র দাঙ্গার সময় আমীর হোসেন হিন্দুদের রক্ষায় রান্কিন স্ট্রিটে নিজের জীবন বিসর্জন দিয়েছিলেন। এই সেই বাংলা যেখানে একদা কবি গাইতেন, 'আগে কি সুন্দর দিন কাটাইতাম'। সেই দেশ আর নাই। কথায় বলে, 'সেইদিন নাইগো নাতি, খাবলাই খাবলাই চিড়া খাতি'। আসলেই সেই দিন নাই, কারণ রাষ্ট্র আমাদের মানুষ বানায়নি, বানিয়েছে হিন্দু বা মুসলমান।  শুধুই কি নিরাশার কথা শুনালাম? না,
আরো একটি সমাধান অবশ্য আছে! সেটা হলো, হিন্দুরা ঘুম থেকে গা-ঝাড়া দিয়ে জেগে ওঠা। কারো দয়ার পাত্র না হওয়া। আর নজরুলের মত গেয়ে ওঠা, 'লাথি মার ভাঙ্গরে তালা'।

শিতাংশু গুহ, কলাম লেখক।
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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists



It is funny that Muslims did not have any problem with two hundreds years of Mughal rule of India. But when democratic rule were to be introduced in 1947, all hell broke loose. Suddenly Muslims were afraid of loosing everything including democratic rights? So what did we get? Our peyara and pure Pakistan! How did that experiment go? Do I need to elaborate any further? One wing is ruled by strong military and the other did not hesitate to kill its founder. And democratic rule is still a dream for the masses and our Jeffersonian BNP cadres. We should blame Hindus, Jews and Christians because they did teach and show us the road to the democracy. They cheated us and now we have to kill each other to establish the rule of heaven? What word you do not understand? 

Farida, thank God English came, exploited us and enlightened us than having more Aurangebs ruling this great country of Bharat for another two hundreds more. Mughals are no less foreigners than English.     
 




On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:15 PM, "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Shaheen,
       Sukhmay Bain is a tiresome troll whose heart is blackened by a communal rage.  He says outrageously absurd  things against the Muslims day after day, month after month, year after year.

          Now, you can feel like appeasing him by saying things against Aurangzeb -- the Emperor who brought the Mughal Empire to the zenith of its glory. The British started this bad-mouthing about Aurangzeb in broad generalizations (with the idea of upholding the European superiority over a degenerate Muslim ruler) -- none of the allegations hold up when examined in detail.  There is new scholarship available with surprising evidences of the glory of Aurangzeb's rule, both at home and abroad.  The Mughal Empire lasted 100 yrs after Aurangzeb's death, and the prosperity was undiminished until the British started robbing India's wealth -- outright looting!
             Also, the British did not "rule" India for several centuries.  There was a commercial outfit -- the East India Company -- that did the looting in the guise of doing trade. It was not until after 1857 War of Resistance fought against the British Company by both Hindus and Muslims of India (I refuse to call it Sepoy Mutiny) that the British Empire officially gobbled India.


Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:20:34 -0400
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists
From: alishaheen2010@gmail.com
To: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com

Incredible!  Do say more on how it began in 7th. century Arabia?  Did Muhammad call for the division of India?!  He negotiated the Madina Charter to make peace with Jews, Christians and pagans whereby they were considered part of the Muslim community.  Have you studied the history of 7th. century Arabia Mr. Bain?

There was Muslim rule in India but the decline started with Aurangzeb.  More recently there was British rule in India for several centuries too.  So why the animosity between Muslims and Hindus but not Christians and Hindus or Christians and Muslims?  Because the Muslim population was larger and they wanted their share of resources and power which the Hindu majority was not willing to share.  Jinnah did not want independence.  Like Mujib, he wanted autonomy, and like Mujib he too was forced to declare independence because of the pig headedness of majority Hindus and the stubbornness of Nehru and his secret deals with the British thanks to his "friendship" with Mrs. Mountbatten.  

Similarly Bangalis who were at the forefront of the Pakistan independence movement got tired of being colonized and persecuted by Pakistanis and their refusal to share power even after Awami League won the elections in 1971.  Open your eyes to politics Mr. Bain - it is more than religion, it is about power and resources, but religion is used every step of the way to manipulate the masses.  It was the Pakistani army that killed Hindus in East Pakistan in 1971 and it is the Saudi funded madrasahs that are now promoting anti-Hindu propaganda in Bangladesh.  It is not Islam it is politics, and religion is only being used to serve political agendas.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:42 AM, 'Sukhamaya Bain' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:
The deadly legacy did not begin in 1947 in the Indian subcontinent. It began in the 7th century Arabia.
Look, if it were just the 1947 India, neither Bangladesh nor Pakistan would have had Islam in the business of the state. If these two countries were respectful of the non-Muslims of the land, today they would be competing friendly with India on secular humanism, justice, peace, science, technology, and prosperity. Blaming it all on 1947, the British rulers, etc. is really diverting the reality of the last 65 years. (Assume the first 3 years to be the unavoidable turbulent time after the partition).
I would not be surprised if Nisid Hajari is paid by the pan-Islamic powers/interest groups.
 
SuBain
 
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On Monday, June 15, 2015 11:16 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists To This Day

June 09, 2015 1:49 PM ET
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947. i
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947.
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On how Muslims felt alienated from the independence movement



Part of [Gandhi's] genius was he was able to broaden out the appeal of the independence movement, which, until that movement, had been restricted to fairly wealthy lawyers and landowners and so on, who would debate things like percentages in these legislatures ... but he broadened it out to the masses. But the way he did it was by using Hindu iconography and stories, mythology, every evening he would have a prayer meeting where they would chant Hindu hymns but also read from the Quran and so forth. He was personally very unprejudiced about this, but his natural background was Hindu and his audience was almost entirely Hindu and he appealed to them in the language that they understood. But for Muslims, ordinary Muslims, who would see this and listen to these speeches and so forth, he seemed like a Hindu figure more than a national figure — not all Muslims, of course, but a great many of them.


http://www.npr.org/2015/06/09/413121135/indias-1947-partition-and-the-deadly-legacy-that-persists-to-this-day


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