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Friday, November 25, 2011

[ALOCHONA] Fwd: [mukto-mona] Protests in India over Tipaimukh dam



Why Indian people protest this Tipaimukh Dam???

These Indian people do NOT understand anything about this 'HARMLESS(???)' Tipaimukh Dam. 

Sk. Hasina and Her Ministers in Bangladesh know about this 'HARMLESS' Dam and trying to convince the nation. They have already become successful to convince the Awami League supporters so far. 

Indian Government should invite Sk. Hasina or her Ministers to cool down protesters in the affected area. 

Sk. Hasina will take this opportunity happily to promote 'PEACE' in this region.

Desh-Bondhu,
'Desher Kotha Bolay'

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Dhaka, Nov 25: Different environmental, social , NGOs and political parties in Assam and Manipur  have become vocal in protesting against the central government for  constructing the Tipaimukh dam in Churachanpur district under Manipur in India, according to reports  reaching  Dhaka.  Protests over the construction of the controversial construction of Tipaimukh Multipurpose Hydroelectric Power (HEP) Project continue also in other parts of India.
Meanwhile, a committee on people's and environment (COPE) has been reportedly observing five-day sit-in agitation in Assam from Thursday which will continue  till Monday. COPE has also submitted a memorandum addressed to the chief ministers of  Assam and Manipur, prime minister of India and   also central environment and energy ministers to  stop construction of the dam.
Protests over the planned construction of the Tipaimukh Multipurpose Hydroelectric Power (HEP) Project continue even in Manipur where the site is located and Assam. 
A leading civil society group North East Dialogue Forum (NEDF) said, the controversial construction of mega dam on the Barak river in Manipur disrespects the calls of the people from both upstream and downstream (Barak valley) for seeking their consent and to adhere to existing environmental and social norms.
The Manipuri newspaper Hueiyen Lanpao reported this Friday.

Co-ordinator of the Forum S Dhanabir said, the project proponents of the Tipaimukh HEP are yet to conduct a detailed and independent Environment Impact Assessment (EIA), which is required under the Environment Protection Act, 1986 of India and its amendment of 1994, where data should encompass information collected over a period of at least one year of all seasons to bring out the likely impact of the project on ecology, environment, human and wild life population at the site itself and both up and downstream.
For this reason, people from upstream and downstream, both in Barak Valley and Bangladesh, protesting the construction of Tipaimukh dam for ages, he pointed out.
"It is a fact that the planning of the Tipaimukh Dam Project was done by the government of India without proper research on its social and environmental impact in Manipur, said S Dhanabir urging the Manipur government to negotiate with the centre for adequate compensation to the state and indigenous people inhabiting the project area after re-assessing the exact damage the project would cause to the land, wildlife and the culture of thousands of families around the project," said a report written by S Dhanabir, the social activist and founder administrator of JNU.
He said on completion of the Tipaimukh Dam Project, a lake of 240 sq. km will be created in the project area and consequently thousands of people around the lake will lose their livelihood.

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Slums near Karwanbazar

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Workers are sorting out potatoes at a cold storage

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Ban Ki-moon at a Special Convocation

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BACK TO THE CAPITAL

DHAKA: People are returning to the city after the Eid holidays. PHOTO: NABIULLA NABI See details
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DEFYING RIVERINE DANGERS

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Airport Rail Station

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Agitated people on Wednesday set fire to a train

NARASINGDI: Agitated people on Wednesday set fire to a train after the killing of the local mayor, Lokman Hossain.    Independent photo See details
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Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting

PERTH: Britain's Queen Elizabeth II (2nd L) is joined by Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard (2nd R) and Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar (R) for the official female heads of state photo at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Perth on Friday. AFP See details



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Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?




A religious preacher had to introduce unique behavioral customs to differentiate one clan from the other. These behavioral customs are not part of the basic scriptural mandates of the religion. Scriptural mandates, on the other hand, are not easy, if not totally impossible, to follow by normal people, living in the modern society. So, people mostly prefer to abide by peripheral customs to preserve their distinct identities. Many people keep long beards to show off their religiosity and devotion. In some cases, change  occurs only externally without necessary psychological/mental transformations.  Some people do so intentionally to camouflage their misdeeds, and use it merely for personal interests.
 
Salaam, shalom, namaskar, etc. are greetings only, without religious connotations. Unfortunately, uneducated or half-educated dogmatic individuals cannot make this distinction. I know a highly educated (Ph.D.) bearded religious man, who always greets me with assalamualikum, whenever he sees me. I say – walikumassalam, in return. I am sure - he knows where he is supposed to use this greeting. Also, I often say namaskar to many of my Muslim friends, who says – namaskar, in return.  The problem is not with these people; problem is with uneducated or half-educated people who hold reins of the religion in the society. What are we going to do about it?
 
Jiten Roy

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
With reference to Jewish Shalom and Islamic Salaam let me tell you some thing from my own experience. One ex-presiedent (a muslim) of a local cultural organization used to welcome the muslim-majority audience of a cultural show by using the word Namashkar. An ex-president (a Hindu) did not mind greeting a muslim using the word Asalamalaikum. Religiously only a muslim can say Asalalmalaikum to another muslim. A harsh one has been approved by Islam for a non-muslim (that's what an atheiest muslim friend told me.) To me it should not hurt getting more open minded and secularize many religious words as long as they are not specifically tied to religious symbols or concepts.    
Let me tell you about another ex-president (a muslim) of the of the same organiztion. I have seen him helping free of cost in decorating the pooja-mandap and the stage for cultural show for another organization. On the day of the pooja I have seen him attending the hindu religious (definitely not the religious part of it) festival wearing fashionable dhoti-panjabi and his wife wearing saree and even vermillion on the forehead as a cosmetic item. All these muslims I have just mentioned are sincere believers in Islam. They don't think that their belief has been shaken a bit by acting the ways mentioned above. They know how to go beyond the literal meanings of a religious scripture. 
Many muslim names like Uma, Partha, Anindya Avatar, Debolina Dhoritree, etc. have roots in hindu mythologies. Drawing rooms of many muslims have in them sculptures of Buddha, Saraswati (controversial Farhad Mazhar has it), and Kali.
We fail to see these revolutionary changes in a religious mind and the culture of a religious community. Social progress can be accelerated by capitalizing on these revolutionary changes and can be easily halted by alienating those who believe in progress and openness.
  

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
How could you read 'brain' instead of 'inquisitiveness'?  I had enough Jewish friends to know that Shalom meant peace, when was it interrupted here?Reading more about Islam would not increase my respect for it.  Religion, by nature, is tribal.  Islam being the faith of seventeen percent population of earth, can by no means be called universal except by those who believe in it wholeheartedly.  Those, who believe that Allah was more concerned about a few thousand bedouins than a billion strong Muslims today, do not have any sense of judgement.In course of time, all religions will be 'caged', not just Islam, about whose extinction, the prophet himself is said to have predicted.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:24 AM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 

A final advice, stop using the Jewish 'Shalom' at the end.  Your Muslim brothers could call you an apostate.

>>>>>>>>>>> Despite the myth about my Muslim brothers, no one cared that I use Shalom at the end. It means "Peace" and those who understand the meaning should have NO problem with it. I welcome you to learn and know more about Islam and "Muslim brothers". I think one guy made fun of it and I laughed along.


Islam is a universal religion and anyone ( Muslims or non-Muslims) who want to put it in a cage (Or certain distorted narrative) would be doing something that is "UNFAIR"!!

Basically the word "Shalom" and "Salaam" are the same. I do not consider any human being my "Permanent enemies". So IF any Muslim "Brother" objects to it, I'll have a chat with him.

Breaking false perceptions is a hobby of mine. I enjoy and Islam supports me in bringing people closer to "The Truth". ;-)

Your pint size inquisitiveness is buried deep in religious faith.  If you had read religious literature,e.g., Quran and Hadith, even moderately, your faith would have developed holes.
>>>>>>> "Pint size brain"??? :-)


Guess you cannot argue with the points we discuss, so the name calling. So far pint size brain is working fine to answers concerns you posed. So I'll gave the rest of the brain a little rest. When I meet someone with proper knowledge and courtesy, I'll summon the rest of the brain Inshallah!! :-)
you do not have the aptitude of even a freshman.
>>>>>>>> OK!!


I have read religious literature and kept questioning it UNTIL I found answers for them. So far I am happy, secured and satisfied with answers I have. If a days comes when I have "Holes" in my faith, I'll let you know.

However do understand this process can go both ways. I came to know about people who had "Huge HOLES" in their faith and became an atheist. However after examining their "Faith-Status" (Lack of faith)  they returned to their Maker.

You have been very entertaining. Thank you!!

Shalom!




-----Original Message----- From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:42 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
Mr. Q. Rahman Your pint size inquisitiveness is buried deep in religious faith.  If you had read religious literature,e.g., Quran and Hadith, even moderately, your faith would have developed holes.    Say about the verse on Abu Lahab, could such hatred be divine?  If it were so, how the person and the prophet could be related by marital alliance? The problem with you is that graduate course of comparative religion are not meat for a freshman, and you do not have the aptitude of even a freshman.  Please read the holy Quran, along with Bukhari, Tirmizi, Muslim and other hadith.  Also read Tabari, and occasionally read the ex-Muslim critiques.  Zaki Ameeni, Abul Kashem etc. have encyclopedic knowledge on Islam.  The attachment I gave earlier entitled "Prophet of Doom" may also be helpful.  Develop enough intelligence to differentiate between a good and a bad post. A final advice, stop using the Jewish 'Shalom' at the end.  Your Muslim brothers could call you an apostate.
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 
The first biography of the prophet was written over a hundred years after his death by Ibn Ishaque.  I hope you know his name. There is, however, no reason to believe the authenticity of the biography or that of the person.


>>>>>>>>> Help me understand what you are saying. Do you agree with "One scholar" that, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not exist? :-)
I have spent more time than many studying religious literature, and am confident that I have more information than these recent net browsers.  The believers in the holiness of their religion may read the attachment.  
>>>>>>>>>> I am glad to hear that you know a lot about religion. I hope your future posts will reflect your deep knowledge of this subject. I need your help to understand something. Your attachment was the "Qur'an" and we were discussing prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So prophet's life should be part of the hadith texts.
Do let me know HOW do I learn about prophet's life from text of the Qur'an?
Appreciate your kind attention. Shalom!!  
-----Original Message----- From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 20, 2011 9:12 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society? [1 Attachment]
 
[Attachment(s) from Kamal Das included below]
The first biography of the prophet was written over a hundred years after his death by Ibn Ishaque.  I hope you know his name. There is, however, no reason to believe the authenticity of the biography or that of the person. I for one don't need fifteen minutes of fame, neither do the persons I refer to as scholars.  I have spent more time than many studying religious literature, and am confident that I have more information than these recent net browsers.  The believers in the holiness of their religion may read the attachment.  
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 
Member M. Rahman, Member Das was talking about my comments not yours. However I did not call him dumb but I called the question "Dumb". If Jesus, Moses or Muhammad (PBUT) ever existed are asked by people who want to stir up the pot a little. Going after 15 minutes of fame. People who quote these "Media attention hungry" people often do not know enough of these topics but want to "Shake up" discussions or situations. As I said, I welcome honest questions and critics on any topic (Including religion). However if someone ask if Muhammad bin Abdullah (PBUH) ever existed, it is only FAIR to call that QUESTION dumb. I have not called any member by any names. I think this part was misunderstood. Neither I am interested to relegate our discussions/debate to that level.  Throwing down absurd comments about the holy prophet's janaja or circumcision ( Who the heck going to verify that???) is a cheap way to get someone agitated. BUT in response all I asked to learn more about "Sources" of such information. It is interesting to note that, the whole Muslim world never worried about such issues but some of our atheist friends are!! Which says a lot about the level of desperation. I still welcome all comments or questions about topics I discuss. ( Recently posted one about Jesus son of Mary and Christianity). I am not here to preach to people but ONLY to replace wrong/false information with correct information. ==================================================== Being dumb yourself, you see others as dumb. Member Das, Hope you understand the I did NOT call you dumb. Rather my comment was directed at the quality of the comment. I do stand by that. I do not consider myself as scholar but even with my limited knowledge I can EASILY prove to anyone that, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did exist. The German scholar is also welcome. Despite our differences of opinions, I enjoy your passion in our discussion. Shalom!!;-)


-----Original Message----- From: MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN <mustafiz84@hotmail.com> To: Mukto-mona Mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:49 am Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
Mr Kamal Das,

I did not call you dumb. But if you are going to read and quote sources who are critics of Islam as you seem to be, then what can be done? You will continue to bring out absurd claims like the "Prophet was not circumcised" in this Forum with the sole intention of maligning this great man !! Detractors and faultfinders of Islam and its Messenger with continue to come up with atrocious claims in the garb of intellect.

Mustafizur Rahman
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com From: kamalctgu@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:45:47 &# 43;0600 Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?  
Mr. Rahman Being dumb yourself, you see others as dumb.  I did not present the question you deem dumb, it is the theory of Professor Sven Kalisch.  He teaches Islamic history and culture at a German University.  You can debate with him if you like.  Apparently, you don't know that after the prophet was missing for days the news spread of his death.  Even Hajrat Umar did not believe it and came with an unscathed sword to the abode of Ayesha where he met Abu Bakr who cooled him down.  Then Abu Bakr and Umar belonged to one group who coerced others into submission to the caliphate of Abu Bakr.  The last sermon had nothing to do with his death. By the way do you know that the prophet was not even circumcised.  Thus he broke the covenant of Abraham with God.
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:30 AM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 
Member Das,

No mainstream Muslim scholar agrees with YOUR narratives on Islam or our holy prophet (PBUH). Earlier you presented a dumb question by asking IF the last messenger of God (PBUH) ever existed? I have read many DIFFERENT commentaries and spoken to many scholars and NEVER heard such absurd claims.

Either way, the prophet (PBUH) did die a natural death and last time I checked English speaking world does not label that as "Dubious"!! NO way!!

Before the death of the noble prophet (PBUH) he gave his famous sermon during the last hajj, which was so complete and powerful that, it indicated the end of his work on earth. He started by saying...

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY....................................

[ Source: Last hajj sermon]


http://soundvision.com/info/hajj/lastsermon.asp

I cannot stop writing on religious issues as long people like yourself come up with ridiculous and false information about Islam. Someone needs to supply correct information about it. That is all I am doing. Earlier, I have supplied books about the noble prophet by world famous scholars from all corners of the globe and NONE of them talks about the "FICTIONAL" topic YOU brought up here ( About janaja). If this was one time mistake, I would have accept it as such. However you keep coming up with WRONG information about Islam!! Logically it cannot be an accident. It is deliberate and it says a lot about you!! Mainstream narrative of Islam and the last prophet (PBUH) is well known. The last prophet (PBUH) was probably the most documented human being on the face of the earth. His speeches, practices, ideals, values were preserved by his followers as per his direction. http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/sunnah/ I am unable to see what was so dubious about his death? People were shocked, sad and confused. When a beloved leader dies, it is the natural response from people. I have given names of books and scholars in an earlier post. If Islam and prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is always in your mind, I invite you to read about him. It would be helpful if you know about the topic you want to critic. ;-) Shalom!!
-----Original Message----- From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:27 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
If you need the sources on the death of the prophet, you should stop writing on religious issues.  Ask any maulana and find out or read the Cambridge History of Islam, or 'Islam and the West' by Norman Daniel.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:44 AM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 
Even the prophet died under dubious conditions and did not get janaja.


>>>>> SOURCES PLEASE???

-----Original Message----- From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:31 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
If Mr. Mustafizur Rahman does not see that the dominant contemporary religions are based on the geocentric model of the universe, and sees the ancient and medieval periods were not bad periods, no debate is possible.  Nobody can single a period that was good.  As he is a believer in Islam, may I point out that out of the four 'rightly guided' Caliphs, the first one was poisoned to death while the rest were killed. While Omar was bleeding to death, he requested the majlis members not to make his son the Caliph under any condition.  Usman was killed by a group of assassins in the mosque while reading the 'holy' Koran, and Ali was speared to death.  The killers of Usman asked Ali to take over the Caliphate, his dead body was left without a janaja for days.  Even the prophet died under dubious conditions and did not get janaja.  The Shias insist that he was killed by two of his wives, daughters of th e first two Caliphs.  I am really impressed by the depth of ignorance of these mullahs who are using this forum to spread the 'values' of Islam.
2011/11/14 MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN <mustafiz84@hotmail.com>
 
Equal opportunity critic to all religions? Why? Why criticize all religions? Medieval period was not a bad period. In English literature this word is at times used in a negative sense. Human progress went through - as the West has categorized it - stages like iron period, bronze period, medieval period etc. Can you single out one period that was bad? If you disbelieve in the very existence of God, that is a different matter. But what will you do with the billions of people who do believe in the existence of a Creator and seek His assistance?

Mustafizur Rahman
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com From: qrahman@netscape.net Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:36:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?  
You have been sharing orientalist myths about Islam. Modern day scholars do not buy these any more. Such orientalists also spread lies against Hindus as well. Which prompted Swami Vivekananda to visit USA over hundred years ago. He went there to answer to those myths and explain his faith to the west.

Over and over I have asked you to share SOURCES of your info but only got unclear answers. Please clarify your positions or take this opportunity to learn something new.

Peace.


-----Original Message----- From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 8:39 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
I do not spread venom against Islam.  I am an 'equal opportunity' critic to all religions, and every medieval tendency to invoke God as an answer to all problems.   I refer to historical facts when some 'religious' men use this forum to spread Islam.
2011/11/12 MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN <mustafiz84@hotmail.com>
 
Kamal Das, Jiten Roy etc,

Will you STOP taking advantage of this Forum and refrain from spreading your venom against Islam?

Mustafizur Rahman
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com From: kamalctgu@gmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:07:31 +0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?  
The core message was not convincing enough even to Abu Talib, the mentor and the protector of the prophet.  The message is to obtain 72 houries and 28 gillmans in the afterlife with an everlasting erection.  Even Ibn Sina wondered, how the prophet, being the intelligent man that he was, spread such rubbish.  Then he came up with his own intelligent solution!  Consider the intelligence of the average people of medieval times, and you have the answer. About the animal sacrifice, it is the practice in many cultures.  The poor animal dies to serve the religion.  In the primitive times, the first  child was to be sacrificed as an expiation to the cardinal sin from which every child is born.  Abraham himself was a butcher in the temple of Melech.  As he was not sure of his fatherhood of his children, given his age and inability to sire any during his life, he exiled Ismael and Hagar to Mecca, and took Isaac to sacrifice as burnt offering to Moloch.  But he changed his mind later and told the Canaanites that God intervened in the last moment.  Abraham was used to telling lies.  Earlier he passed Sarah as his sister to gain material advantages.  Animal sacrifice has been a common practice across the world. There was no cheaper way to feed people in feasts.  Cow sacrifice by Indian Muslims are intended only to anoy the local Hindus.  Such practice is not the Arabian norm.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:48 PM, sentu tikadar <sentu92003@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
You are right these were acts of half educated idiots who do not understand the core message of Islam.
 
What is the core message ?

 What is the core message of Islam?
 
Tolerance to other Faiths? 
 
Deny others' Faiths and indirectly condemn others' Faiths five times a day? And  brain washing five times per day (like advertisement) later the uncivilised indisciplined Beduin forget  Mohammad ?  So much endeavour to be remembered by ppeople just like a politician sex maniac.
 
What is the teaching? Killing people who would not accept his Faith and used the women of the defeated people. Told something good in Mecca and the same thing told in a reversed way in Medina.  He had written( actually by other) a Book copied from other Book (Bible) because he knew he could not write a completely new  Book out of nothing.So he had taken the easiest and ready- made way. Just Copy and relate him with taht Book's men. So intelligent he was. 
 
Just see the Qurbani in Idd? How people can cut throat the cow which he garlanded with flowers? Giving flowers garland means showing respect to it? After showing respect and / or love it is cut. Desert culture has ruined us. It had divided us. It had killed us. It had made us animals from human. That's why Saudi never allows other to follow their religions in open? In Kashmir, In Pakistan, in Bangladesh , even in India (Deganga of West Bengal) temples' deities demolition is a noble job.
 
They don't feel any pity to that cow? In Pakistan some children stay night with the cow or goat putting flower garlands around its neck. In the morning that animal is cut throat? Height of cruelty !!!  This is the culture mid east had given to us. We borrowed the hard religion from desert while we were not the desert people. 
Is this the teaching of real Allah? Giving pain to a living being Allah feels happy? Don't believe that Allah who is biased. Allah is not a democratic fellow? So the believers of that Allah can not be democratic. That's why most of the Allah believers democratic country are failed country. Who will accept Allah he must be ruled with iron hand otherwise he will loose faiths. So many trics Mahammad had understood and apllied. A real dictator of 1400 years ago. 











     
 
 
--- On Thu, 11/10/11, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 5:47 AM
 
Killing of the Ahmediyas by the followers of Mowdoodi in Pakistan, killing and raping of freedom loving Bengalis in 1971, bombing of mosques to kill innocent Shiites in Pakistan and Iraq and somewhere else----are all these the acts by the secularists?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right these were acts of half educated idiots who do not understand the core message of Islam. However atheist people have done more murdering of innocents than any religious people. Stalin, Mao (Of china) etc done their part in killing anyone who had a different point of view.
-----Original Message----- From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:37 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
Killing of the Ahmediyas by the followers of Mowdoodi in Pakistan, killing and raping of freedom loving Bengalis in 1971, bombing of mosques to kill innocent Shiites in Pakistan and Iraq and somewhere else----are all these the acts by the secularists?
From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:16 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
Respected all,
Atheists and secularists (who believe in naturalism and rationalism only and who deny role of religion in public life) are more menace to humanity, morality, civilization as history shows. Most of the wars including first and second great wars were waged by them.
Most of the people of religions are good people. Many of them are misguided by secular political leaders or some ignorant and aggressive religious bigots.
Religious people of all religions should fight these exploiters and stand for humanity, morality and social welfare.
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
 
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 6:42 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
 
@Nihar Singh:
 
The true religious people - who are they? Whether they bother anybody or not - is not the issue. The issue is how much is their contribution towards the advancement of the modern society? Are people, who take part in the communal riots or blowup innocent people in the name of religion, any less religious? You may think so - but they don't.
 
@Kamal Das:
The New Testaments does not contain many of the violent verses of the Old Testament means these are not absolute truth. This is the point I am trying to make.
 
Thanks.
 
 
From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?

 
Truely religious people dont disturb anyone. On the other hand atheists try to make everyone atheists. That is true menace. Look at darwin he made everyone think that they eveolved from apes. Many jokers believe this to be true.



--- On Mon, 11/7/11, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
To: "Mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 7:12 PM
Are some religious people menaces in the society?
 
I have been asking this question lately to myself. I tried to find the roles and contributions (I mean, real contributions) of religious people in the society that brought us here from the beginning of time. What I envisioned is that - religion played a very insignificant role towards our social, moral, and scientific developments in this world. Most of these developments are made by religiously indifferent people. The religious people mostly deal with and talk about things that are out of this world. As a result, many of these religious people are misfits and menaces in the society.
 
Many argue that religion builds our moral character, and we learn good and bad from religion, etc. etc. I, on the other hand, think – good and bad we learn from our ancestors, and from our own experiences; religion has nothing to do with it. You might ask where our ancestors learned them from, in the first place. They learned good and bad from their ancestors' experiences, so on, and so forth. Most Chinese do not have any religion. When I asked a Chinese man - how most people there learn about good and bad without religion, he told me - they learn them from their elders' wisdoms. That's right; our ancestors transferred their knowledge and wisdom to us. Therefore, I truly believe – this world would have been a much better place without religion. Religions have divided us into many sectarian hateful clans, which are constantly fighting with one another.
 
Many of us believe that religious doctrines and dogmas are heavenly absolute entities. They forget that - many of those doctrines, dogmas, and interpretations have already been modified from the original preaching during emancipation. For example, Old Testament has been replaced by the New Testament, many Quranic interpretations have been changed, and many Vedic/Puranic practices and interpretations have been changed, etc., etc. That means - religious teachings and practices are subject to change with the time, which means they are not so heavenly endowments as we believe them to be. This is a critical point to remember. Those who think otherwise are the menaces in the society.
 
Jiten Roy


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Dhaka, Nov 25: Different environmental, social , NGOs and political parties in Assam and Manipur  have become vocal in protesting against the central government for  constructing the Tipaimukh dam in Churachanpur district under Manipur in India, according to reports  reaching  Dhaka.  Protests over the construction of the controversial construction of Tipaimukh Multipurpose Hydroelectric Power (HEP) Project continue also in other parts of India.
Meanwhile, a committee on people's and environment (COPE) has been reportedly observing five-day sit-in agitation in Assam from Thursday which will continue  till Monday. COPE has also submitted a memorandum addressed to the chief ministers of  Assam and Manipur, prime minister of India and   also central environment and energy ministers to  stop construction of the dam.
Protests over the planned construction of the Tipaimukh Multipurpose Hydroelectric Power (HEP) Project continue even in Manipur where the site is located and Assam. 
A leading civil society group North East Dialogue Forum (NEDF) said, the controversial construction of mega dam on the Barak river in Manipur disrespects the calls of the people from both upstream and downstream (Barak valley) for seeking their consent and to adhere to existing environmental and social norms.
The Manipuri newspaper Hueiyen Lanpao reported this Friday.

Co-ordinator of the Forum S Dhanabir said, the project proponents of the Tipaimukh HEP are yet to conduct a detailed and independent Environment Impact Assessment (EIA), which is required under the Environment Protection Act, 1986 of India and its amendment of 1994, where data should encompass information collected over a period of at least one year of all seasons to bring out the likely impact of the project on ecology, environment, human and wild life population at the site itself and both up and downstream.
For this reason, people from upstream and downstream, both in Barak Valley and Bangladesh, protesting the construction of Tipaimukh dam for ages, he pointed out.
"It is a fact that the planning of the Tipaimukh Dam Project was done by the government of India without proper research on its social and environmental impact in Manipur, said S Dhanabir urging the Manipur government to negotiate with the centre for adequate compensation to the state and indigenous people inhabiting the project area after re-assessing the exact damage the project would cause to the land, wildlife and the culture of thousands of families around the project," said a report written by S Dhanabir, the social activist and founder administrator of JNU.
He said on completion of the Tipaimukh Dam Project, a lake of 240 sq. km will be created in the project area and consequently thousands of people around the lake will lose their livelihood.

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