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Tuesday, September 15, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [muktamona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article



Unfortunately, Professor Chakrabarty, you are suffering from the same problem as Partha Chatterjee is; but you do not have the prestige and money that have been given to him by an interest group in the form of a Professorship at Columbia.

I do not care how many Partha Chatterjees or Arundhati Roys thrive on unjust interest groups; if the world cared about justice in Kashmir, it would not allow that land to be another Pakistan or Bangladesh. The majority group that wants to take away human and citizenship rights of the minority groups do not deserve self rule. Please do not give me the nonsense that Muslims are persecuted in the Indian part of Kashmir. As I wrote next to Partha Chatterjee's article, they have all the power/right except making that land an Islamic State of injustice and atrocities.

It is utterly wrong (to use a nice word) to find similarity between Tripura and CHT. The Muslim government of Bangladesh pushed poor Muslims into CHT to expand the Muslim land; no Hindu government in East Bengal pushed Hindus into Tripura to expand Hindutwa or anything like that. The invasion of the CHT by Bangladeshi Muslims over the last few decades is quite different from the persecuted and riot-victim Hindus taking refuge in Tripura in the 1940s. Please ask the criminal and foolish minds to not call me a Hindu fanatic for this.

SuBain

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On Monday, September 14, 2015 9:20 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
1. Partha Chatterjee has not said that he does not want a two-State solution. Only thing he said is that Israel should stop further settlements in the occupied area. There is already an international pressure on Israel. 

2.  Looks like like many intellectuals like Arundhati Roy, he is in favor of allowing Kashmiries self rule. This is an option which some politicians want to consider. Kashmir has become too costly for india. 

3.  It is a fact that the original tribal people of Tripura have been reduced to minority because of mass exodus of Hindu refugees from Pakistan. He has expressed his emotion out of a guilty feeling although it was human tragedy that caused this migration. It is like apologizing many years after commitment of crimes by a past generation. Think about what we have done to the Chittagong Hill Tracts. What has been done to the Santhals? And to many small tribal and indigenous peoples? History is replete with such invasions. Aryans came to India as invaders. To whom did the Americas belong? 

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On Sep 13, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Well, Dr. Roy, let me be the first to say here, who am I to judge the expertise of a Columbia Professor of Anthropology? But when he puts Israel, Kashmir and Tripura in the same category, I am not much impressed with his expertise on his subject. His views are not based upon historical facts; he probably wanted to serve the purposes of the sources that put him in that position.

SuBain

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On Sunday, September 13, 2015 9:46 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Professor may be an expert on his own discipline, but - being a professor in a reputed university will not make someone expert on everything. I have seen most professors, including my own supervisor, possess views that are formed on the basis of historical perspectives; they never update views as time progresses. This professor is just doing hukkah-hua.

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article

 
Well, Dr. Das, unfortunately, Partha Chatterjee is also a regular Professor at a very prestigious school (Columbia University) in the USA. Looking at his stature and that of many others, I sense that to find funding sources, one probably needs agenda that serve some unjust interest group(s). An unadulterated mind for human dignity and rights is great; but it is not sponsored by rich interest groups, including governments.

SuBain

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On Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:11 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr. Chatterjee is a stupid old anti Semitic with no idea on Israel or India.

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On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
As far as I know, Mr. Chatterjee's family had to migrate to West Bengal (India) from East Pakistan after 1947 partition for safety and security. Many Hindu Bengali families had no choice but to go Assam or Tripura for their safety too as Mr. Chatterjee's family moved to West Bengal. So, how Mr. Chatterjee would rationalize his family's migration to WB was legitimate whereas others' is illegitimate? Mr. Chatterjee's attitude is pretty much contradictory to what he practices vs preaches. This is a typical problem for many Indian useful idiots who never took a stand to stay where ever they belonged but they blame the victims for being ethnically cleansed.  Pure hypocrisy!
 




On Saturday, September 12, 2015 9:04 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Partha Chatterjee's likening of Kashmir and Tripura with Israel is hardly rational.
The non-Muslims of other parts of India did not consider Kashmir anything like a 'promised land' to settle in, the way the Zionists of the world did to Palestine. In fact, there is an Indian law that prevents non-Kashmiris to buy land there. If the Kashmiri religious majority had an opportunity, that land most likely would have been something like a Pakistan or Bangladesh today, with the non-Muslims of that land totally expelled/marginalized. Even with all the Indian military presence there, the Muslim majority there have driven out the minority Hindu Pandits from the Kashmir valley. The Muslims of that land have all the power there, except for making that land an Islamic nation of injustice and atrocity. The Muslims of Kashmir certainly have a lot more sovereignty than what the Arabs have in Israel.
Similarly, Tripura was not considered a 'promised land' by the settlers from East Bengal (today's Bangladesh). The persecuted Hindus of East Bengal went to India, including Tripura, for shelter, not for ruling, not for subjugating the local population. Being more educated, they had an advantage over the local population of Tripura. Being too many in number from the densely populated East Bengal, they also became a majority in the land that had been sparsely populated. But their intent was never like what the Zionists wanted to do to the Palestinians. As Mr. Chatterjee has also observed, the Bengali dominated government has been trying to build bridges between the Tribal and the Bengali populations. There is no policy of settling more Bengalis from other parts of the world in Tripura; quite unlike what is going on in Israel.














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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [muktamona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article



He is looking for Arab money.

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On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Well, Dr. Roy, let me be the first to say here, who am I to judge the expertise of a Columbia Professor of Anthropology? But when he puts Israel, Kashmir and Tripura in the same category, I am not much impressed with his expertise on his subject. His views are not based upon historical facts; he probably wanted to serve the purposes of the sources that put him in that position.

SuBain

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On Sunday, September 13, 2015 9:46 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Professor may be an expert on his own discipline, but - being a professor in a reputed university will not make someone expert on everything. I have seen most professors, including my own supervisor, possess views that are formed on the basis of historical perspectives; they never update views as time progresses. This professor is just doing hukkah-hua.

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article

 
Well, Dr. Das, unfortunately, Partha Chatterjee is also a regular Professor at a very prestigious school (Columbia University) in the USA. Looking at his stature and that of many others, I sense that to find funding sources, one probably needs agenda that serve some unjust interest group(s). An unadulterated mind for human dignity and rights is great; but it is not sponsored by rich interest groups, including governments.

SuBain

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On Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:11 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr. Chatterjee is a stupid old anti Semitic with no idea on Israel or India.

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On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
As far as I know, Mr. Chatterjee's family had to migrate to West Bengal (India) from East Pakistan after 1947 partition for safety and security. Many Hindu Bengali families had no choice but to go Assam or Tripura for their safety too as Mr. Chatterjee's family moved to West Bengal. So, how Mr. Chatterjee would rationalize his family's migration to WB was legitimate whereas others' is illegitimate? Mr. Chatterjee's attitude is pretty much contradictory to what he practices vs preaches. This is a typical problem for many Indian useful idiots who never took a stand to stay where ever they belonged but they blame the victims for being ethnically cleansed.  Pure hypocrisy!
 




On Saturday, September 12, 2015 9:04 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Partha Chatterjee's likening of Kashmir and Tripura with Israel is hardly rational.
The non-Muslims of other parts of India did not consider Kashmir anything like a 'promised land' to settle in, the way the Zionists of the world did to Palestine. In fact, there is an Indian law that prevents non-Kashmiris to buy land there. If the Kashmiri religious majority had an opportunity, that land most likely would have been something like a Pakistan or Bangladesh today, with the non-Muslims of that land totally expelled/marginalized. Even with all the Indian military presence there, the Muslim majority there have driven out the minority Hindu Pandits from the Kashmir valley. The Muslims of that land have all the power there, except for making that land an Islamic nation of injustice and atrocity. The Muslims of Kashmir certainly have a lot more sovereignty than what the Arabs have in Israel.
Similarly, Tripura was not considered a 'promised land' by the settlers from East Bengal (today's Bangladesh). The persecuted Hindus of East Bengal went to India, including Tripura, for shelter, not for ruling, not for subjugating the local population. Being more educated, they had an advantage over the local population of Tripura. Being too many in number from the densely populated East Bengal, they also became a majority in the land that had been sparsely populated. But their intent was never like what the Zionists wanted to do to the Palestinians. As Mr. Chatterjee has also observed, the Bengali dominated government has been trying to build bridges between the Tribal and the Bengali populations. There is no policy of settling more Bengalis from other parts of the world in Tripura; quite unlike what is going on in Israel.












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