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Sunday, November 21, 2010

[ALOCHONA] Re: Khaleda 'lying': ISPR

Aw Grampa!

You are sweet. Obviously all is well in the Army. And obviously you have nothing else to comment about except the comments of your grandson. I am blessed.

Now please. Take your teeth out, drink your warm milk and go back to sleep.

Goodnight

Your grandson

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "junaid.sultan" <junaid.sultan@...> wrote:
>
> I liked this very sweeping remark. But more than that I loved the one
> sentence conclusion, "It shows that all is not well in the Army."
> Carry on son, we need people exactly like you.
>
> Junaid
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@> wrote:
> >
> > The confusing and inconsistent behaviour of the ISPR is a good sign.
> >
> > It shows that all is not well in the Army.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan bdmailer@ wrote:
> > >
> > > *Khaleda 'lying': ISPR *
> > >
> > > Dhaka, Nov 14 (bdnews24.com)—Military public relations
> department ISPR has
> > > accused BNP chief Khaleda Zia for misbehaving and also refuted her
> > > allegation of dragging her out of cantonment residence.
> > >
> > > The ISPR in a press release issued on Saturday night, termed
> Khaleda's
> > > statements made in a press briefing, held on Saturday, 'fabricated
> and
> > > ill-intentioned.'
> > >
> > > After the High Court deadline ended on Nov 12, the cantonment board
> > > initiated to vacate the cantonment house at 6 Shaheed Moinul Road.
> The
> > > opposition leader left her house at about 3:15 on Saturday by her
> personal
> > > transport and reached her Gulshan office.
> > >
> > > While the ISPR claimed that Khaleda had willingly left her house,
> the BNP
> > > chief, in the Saturday press briefing, accused the military of
> dragging her
> > > out of the house.
> > >
> > > The ISPR release said Khaleda had acted 'lethargic' while she was
> requested
> > > to leave the house. Khaleda, also started acting up with two female
> military
> > > officials who knocked at her door. "She didn't even hesitate to term
> the
> > > army members as ungrateful dogs and national enemy. She yelled in
> front of
> > > everyone saying, "I'm marking everyone, after assuming power, will
> kick out
> > > all from your jobs one by one."
> > >
> > > Placing proofs in support of ISPR's claim that Khaleda vacated her
> house
> > > willingly, the release said the cantonment board officials had gone
> to that
> > > house at 8am. "If she was forced, she would have been dragged out by
> then."
> > > "But the fact is that she left the cantonment residence in her own
> car at
> > > 3:15pm. This is the proof of her leaving the house willingly."
> > >
> > > Presence of eight vehicles of ultramodern models and about 50
> helping hands
> > > in that house of only one family reveal signs of her luxurious life,
> the
> > > ISPR release added. The cantonment house is at present under police
> keeping,
> > > it said.
> > >
> > > The 2.72-acre plot was originally the official residence of the
> army's
> > > deputy chief of staff, a position held by Ziaur Rahman, who later
> became
> > > army chief and then military ruler. Former military dictator H M
> Ershad, who
> > > later became president, allotted the house to Khaleda and her two
> sons
> > > following the assassination of Ziaur Rahman, in a military coup on
> May 30 in
> > > 1981.
> > >
> > > His widow Khaleda was given another house in Gulshan in addition to
> the
> > > cantonment house, where the family had been living since the 1970s.
> > >
> > > The Directorate of Military Lands and Cantonments handed a notice on
> Apr 20
> > > last year asking the BNP chief to vacate her cantonment residence.
> Khaleda
> > > filed a petition with the High Court challenging legality of the
> government
> > > notice asking her to leave the house within 15 days.
> > >
> > > The government maintained its stand with two separate notices on May
> 7 and
> > > May 24. On May 27 last year, the court stayed the notices for three
> months
> > > after the initial hearing. The final hearing started on June 6 the
> same
> > > year. On Aug 23, the court asked the government to submit all files
> in
> > > relation to the lease of the cantonment house.
> > >
> > > The government gave a legal notice to Khaleda for a number of
> anomalies
> > > regarding the allotment within the military zone.
> > >
> > > The allegations and irregularities for which the notice was issued
> include
> > > 1) Khaleda has been carrying out political activities from the house
> – which
> > > goes against a condition of the allotment 2) One cannot get
> allotment of two
> > > government houses in the capital 3) A civilian cannot get a resident
> lease
> > > within a cantonment. The government also alleged that unauthorised
> changes
> > > and extensions were made to the building violating the code of
> conduct in
> > > the military area.
> > >
> > > http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=178938&cid=2
> > > ---------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > *Privileges under Presidents Pension Ordinance,1979*
> > >
> > >
> http://www.bd-pratidin.com/?view=details&type=pratidin&pub_no=201&cat_id\
> =1&menu_id=1&news_type_id=1&index=5
> > >
> >
>


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[ALOCHONA] Re: The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?

Of course Bangladesh must ignore Pakistan. But then I haven't seen anyone writing about Pakistan!

No one is saying Bangladesh must ignore India. We have a lot to learn from India and India has many good qualities. But we don't learn from India and we don't seek India's good qualities. The best we do is say "We are secular and don't kill minorities". Fine. But theres more to India than that!

The problems is that we don't have the leadership or the character to stick up for ourselves.

Recently a beloved Khala of mine explained how Bhutan, Nepal and Bangladesh must embrace their big brother India. Boy! We are an illustrious company indeed! Why should we be stronger or more independent than Bhutan or Nepal!

Look. Just because we can't ignore India doesn't mean we call them Daddy. Its a matter of stance, of attitude.

Mexico can't ignore the US. But the US can't ignore Mexico either. It is a cheap comparison. Illegal immigration and the drug cartels have complicated their relationship - that's all. The Mexicans didn't go to Iraq and Afghanistan with the US.

We would just love to throw ourselves wailing at the feet of India or China. But we should keep our dignity both in terms of our conduct and our language. Then again, why bother.

It's not like you expect good conduct and good language in our own political leadership.

We can't control our own borders, allow one way smuggling into our economy, refuse to believe India interferes in our politics, embrace the damming of our rivers by India etc - but, hold on, remember! We can't ignore India! So everything is fine!

If we can't ignore India why do AL supporters never criticise India for anything but keep talking about Pakistan when no one is talking about bloody Pakistan?

If we want to be India's bitch we should just say so honestly in bitch language. This fake decorum is just confusing.

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Rana Chowdhury <rana_chowdhury@...> wrote:
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> Can Mexico ignore USA(definitely it can ignore Canada)? Can Bangladesh ignore India (definitely it can ignore Pakistan)? Take your pick or we can stick to China (thats the other pick).
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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> From: turkman@...
> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:10:32 +0000
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
>
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> Thanks for letting us know, ...
> .
> * ... Indian Army is everywhere in B.D. looting, raping and killing us since you claim, we just replaced Paki Yoke with Indian Yoke.
> * ... we are now India Occupied.
> * ... our Politicians working for India are now abusing us, when our loving Paki Masters never had such Politicians.
>
> Please let us know, if now you want to replace India with Pakistan so we can send you to a Mental Hospital of choice ...! One in B.D. or the big one, Pakistan.
> -------
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@> wrote:
> >
> > While we are at it the war of 1971 was neither a civil war nor a war of liberation. It was a change in yoke only - India for Pakistan. Unless having a flag is the definition of freedom!
> >
> > Mind you, the way our politicians abuse us and the way we accept nee encourage and defend that abuse either there is an epidemic of Stockholm Syndrome or we are literally little more than cattle.
> >
> >
> > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "ezajur" <Ezajur@>
> > Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:27:54
> > To: <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> >
> > What's with the "you people" business? Contempt for AL hoodlums and idiots does not always automatically translate into support for the hoodlums and idiots of other parties. Unless of course one is a hoodlum or idiot of AL and BNP in the first place.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh sure and you people never chant any slogans, never come on streets and never vandalize. You just sit in your Mosques and pray for man-kind everyday, right?
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This calls for an Awami League "missil" surely? They can burn cars, buses, books and fight running battles with a few policemen (unlikely) and chant great slogans about Mujib and his dynasty. In fact, anything but....
> > > >
> > > > ....lodge any kind of meaningful protest with these respected academics and publishers.
> > > >
> > > > After all, who apart from themselves would take any of their drivel seriously??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "Mahbubur Razzaque" <mmrazzaque@>
> > > > Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:48:00
> > > > To: <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Reply-To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Cc: <banglarnari@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > > >
> > > > The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > > >
> > > > M. Mahbubur Razzaque
> > > >
> > > > The recent incidents related to the international war-crime tribunal in
> > > > Bangladesh led me to look into the academic records on the war of 1971.
> > > > Though the Bangladeshi people considers the war as "liberation war" of
> > > > Bangladesh, the academic records of all international institutions generally
> > > > mentions it as either civil war or India-Pakistan war.
> > > >
> > > > I browsed a number of popular encyclopedia such as:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Encyclopedia Britannica of Encyclopedia Britannica Inc.,
> > > >
> > > > 2. World Encyclopedia, A Dictionary of World History, The Oxford
> > > > Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World and Concise Oxford Companion to the
> > > > English Language of Oxford University Press,
> > > >
> > > > 3. The Columbia Encyclopedia of Columbia University Press,
> > > >
> > > > 4. Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh of the Asiatic
> > > > Society of Bangladesh and
> > > >
> > > > 5. MSN Encarta of Microsoft Inc.
> > > >
> > > > The records under the entry Bangladesh are listed below:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Bangladesh emerged as an independent and sovereign country on 16
> > > > December 1971 following a nine month WAR OF LIBERATION.
> > > >
> > > > Source: Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh, Vol. 1, Published
> > > > by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh, March 2003.
> > > >
> > > > 2. In 1971, the territory seceded from Pakistan during a short war
> > > > and became independent.
> > > >
> > > > Source: Concise Oxford Companion to the English Language, 1998, Author: TOM
> > > > McARTHUR
> > > >
> > > > 3. The Awami League a political party campaigned openly for
> > > > Bengali autonomy. In 1970 the Awami League won a majority of seats in the
> > > > National Assembly, but the Pakistan government postponed convening the
> > > > Assembly. Violence erupted and guerrilla warfare resulted. Millions of
> > > > refugees fled to India, which finally entered the war on the side of the
> > > > Bengalis and ensured West Pakistan's defeat. On December, 16, 1971, East
> > > > Bengal became the independent nation of Bangladesh, with the capital at
> > > > Dhaka.
> > > > S
> > > > ource: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 1, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > >
> > > > 4. In 1970 elections, the Awami League, led by Mujibur Rahman, won a
> > > > landslide victory. In March 1971, the League unilaterally declared
> > > > independence and civil war ensued. During nine months of fighting, more than
> > > > one million East Bengalis were killed and millions more forced into exile,
> > > > mainly to India. With Indian military assistance, East Bengal defeated
> > > > Pakistan and gained independence as Bangladesh.
> > > >
> > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > 5. In 1966 the Awami League put forward a demand for greater
> > > > autonomy which it proposed to implement after its victory in the 1970
> > > > elections. In March 1971, when this demand was rejected by the military
> > > > government of Pakistan, civil war began, leading to a massive exodus of
> > > > refugees to India. India sent help to the East Pakistan guerrillas (the
> > > > Mukti Bahini). In the war of December 1971, Indian troops defeated the
> > > > Pakistan forces in East Pakistan. The independence of Bangladesh was
> > > > proclaimed in 1971 and recognized by Pakistan in 1974.
> > > >
> > > > Source: A Dictionary of World History, Published by Oxford University Press,
> > > > 2000.
> > > >
> > > > 6. The government's attempts to forestall the autonomy bid led to
> > > > general strikes and nonpayment of taxes in East Pakistan and finally to
> > > > civil war on Mar. 25, 1971. On the following day the Awami League's leaders
> > > > proclaimed the independence of Bangladesh. During the months of conflict an
> > > > estimated one million Bengalis were killed in East Pakistan and another 10
> > > > million fled into exile in India.
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > > >
> > > > 7. By the mid 1950s Bengali enthusiasm for the Muslim League, which
> > > > had spearheaded Pakistani independence, became deeply eroded. The growing
> > > > rift between Pakistan's eastern and western wings broke into rebellion in
> > > > 1971, and, led by the secular nationalist Awami League, an independent
> > > > Bangladesh was born.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World, Vol. 1: Editor
> > > > in chief: J. L.
> > > > Esposito, Published by: Oxford University Press, 1995.
> > > >
> > > > Whether we like it or not, it is only the Banglapedia where the war of at
> > > > the birth of Bangladesh is reported as the WAR OF LIBERATION. This
> > > > encyclopedia is published by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh.
> > > > Unfortunately other encyclopedias published by famous academic publishers
> > > > associated with renowned academic institutions reported the war as either a
> > > > civil war or a rebellion.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The records of other entries under Mujibur Rahman, Dhaka, India, Pakistan
> > > > and India Pakistan Wars are listed below:
> > > >
> > > > Entry: Mujibur RahmanThe conflict between East and West Pakistan climaxed
> > > > after the Dec., 1970, elections, in which the Awami League won a majority.
> > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto , leader of West Pakistan, refused to agree to demands
> > > > for autonomy, and Mujib was imprisoned in West Pakistan. Civil war broke out
> > > > in Mar., 1971, when Pakistani troops were sent to put down protests in East
> > > > Pakistan. With the aid of India, East Pakistani guerrillas proclaimed an
> > > > independent Bangladesh , and defeated the Pakistani army in late 1971.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > > >
> > > > Entry: Dhaka
> > > > Severely damaged during the war of independence from Pakistan, it became
> > > > capital of independent Bangladesh (1971).
> > > >
> > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > Entry: India
> > > > But these years also witnessed three brief wars between India and Pakistan,
> > > > the last of which resulted in an independent Bangladesh in 1971.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 6, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > >
> > > > Entry: Pakistan:
> > > > In East Pakistan demands grew for Bengali autonomy, and civil war between
> > > > East and West erupted in 1971. Aided by an invasion of the Indian army, East
> > > > Pakistan became the independent county of Bangladesh in 1972.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 9, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > > >
> > > > East Pakistan declared its independence as Bangladesh on Mar. 26, 1971, but
> > > > was then placed under martial law and occupied by the Pakistani army, which
> > > > was composed entirely of troops from West Pakistan. In the ensuing civil
> > > > war, some 10 million refugees fled to India and hundreds of thousands of
> > > > civilians were killed. India supported Bangladesh and on Dec. 3, 1971, sent
> > > > troops into East Pakistan. Following a two-week war between Pakistan and
> > > > India, in which fighting also broke out along the India-West Pakistan
> > > > border, Pakistani troops in East Pakistan surrendered (Dec. 16) and a cease-
> > > > fire was declared on all fronts.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > > >
> > > > Entry: India-Pakistan Wars The third war arose out of the civil war between
> > > > East and West Pakistan in 1971. India intervened in support of East Pakistan
> > > > (Bangladesh), and (West) Pakistan suffered a decisive defeat.
> > > >
> > > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > > >
> > > > The 1971 War
> > > >
> > > > Indo-Pakistani relations deteriorated when civil war erupted in Pakistan,
> > > > pitting the West Pakistan army against East Pakistanis demanding greater
> > > > autonomy. The fighting forced 10 million East Pakistani Bengalis to flee to
> > > > India.
> > > >
> > > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > > >
> > > > Article: Pakistan : wars : secession of Bangladesh: 1971: Pakistan
> > > > This year the differences between East Pakistan and West Pakistan erupted
> > > > into a civil war that claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands in the
> > > > eastern part of the country, which is divided from West Pakistan by 1,000
> > > > miles and by profound differences in culture and language.
> > > >
> > > > Source: MSN Encarta
> > > > http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=Bangladesh+war
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Other than in the entry Dhaka in the World Encyclopedia of Oxford University
> > > > Press, the liberation war of Bangladesh is described as a civil war. It may
> > > > be concluded that Bangladesh has failed to make majority of the academicians
> > > > of the west recognize Bangladesh liberation war in the academic records.
> > > >
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RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?



What FEE and at what cost to Bangladesh ? Please refrain from using uncivil languages while putting up a decent discourse. This is not expected from someone of your stature.
 
USD 2.3 Billion over 30 years !? You must be joking ! How much Bangladesh will have to incur to prepare and maintain its infrastructure for transit facilities during this period ? Have you also taken into account the competitive disadvantage for Bangladesh when the ultimate product cost of the neighbouring country will be significantly brought down due to reduced transportation cost which will lead to loss of whatever market Bangladesh currently enjoy in some of the neighbouring Indian states.    
  


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: farida_majid@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:13:51 -0500
Subject: FW: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?

 
           One look at the map should convince any onlooker why Bangladesh has plenty to gain by granting India transit facility, FOR A FEE,  of course!
                         I am reposting the following.  I hope this time the mini-Paki hound dogs barking ceaselessly at India will read the piece, which is an opinion of an outisde.
 
                    farida majid
 

From: farida_majid@hotmail.com
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 14:29:16 -0400

Bangladesh gains from Transit Facility ...

Posted by: "Shamim Huq"  shamimmhuq

Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:27 pm (PDT)


Dhaka stands to gain from transit facility

Publish Date: Monday,1 November, 2010, at 12:31 PM Doha Time

Bangladesh could reap a profit of $2.3bn in a period of 30 years by giving transit facilities to India, Nepal and Bhutan, a think tank has said.

To earn that profit, Bangladesh would, however, have to invest $1.17bn in capital expenditure, operation and maintenance costs for over 30 years to develop corridors for transit traffic, says the Centre for Policy Dialogue (CPD).
Of the amount, $53.74mn and $769mn would be required to set up road and rail links, $79mn and $129mn to upgrade the Chittagong and Mongla ports, and $99mn to operate and maintain them.
Bangladesh and India signed a joint communique in January 2010 creating scope for introducing multi-modal transit and transhipment between the two nations.

After years of nursing reservations that India could gain at its expense, Bangladesh is now preparing the UN-sponsored trans-Asian road and rail network that will link major points in the region.
Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's pacts with India that allow the trans-Asian linkages have, however, been opposed by the main opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

The CPD study says the transit revenue for Bangladesh would be low in the first five years since many constructions and arrangements would be done during the period. Bangladesh would be able to reap about 10% of the full potential benefit at that time.

"From the sixth year onward, full potential benefits are assumed to be realised," the Daily Star said yesterday.
A team of experts from Bangladesh, India, Nepal and Bhutan prepared the study report. Rahmatullah, former director of the UN Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific, led the team.

Bangladesh could gain at least three benefits from transit services, says the study.
Freight charges within Bangladesh's transport network would go down and the country would receive revenue in port charges from international cargo at the Chittagong and Mongla ports. Besides, transit fees to be earned by Bangladesh will be equivalent to 70% of India's transport cost saving, it says.

The study covered 14 corridors - eight road routes, five rail routes and a waterway - for transit traffic between Bhutan, India and Nepal through
Bangladesh. IANS

 

From: bdmailer@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:46:21 +0600
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal

 
Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal


Read what Bangla Weeky "Shapathic Budbar" has to say on the whole issue



How Bangladesh is not getting "Transit Tariffs" from Indian goods shipped through Bangladesh roads into India's North east region .The whole arguments presented to the people of Bangladesh by the present Government and section of civil society -like Center For Policy Dialog ( CPD ) was that Bangladesh will earn US $ 800 million to 1 billion annually by allowing Transit Facilities to India , this was to be earned by way tariff on Indian goods shipped through Bangladesh territories into Indian Seven states in North East .

This however is not the case anymore , some key advisors in Prime Minister's office under intense pressure and lobby from Indian high Commission in Dhaka has given in and asked relevant authorities to suspend collecting transit fees on Indian goods shipments through it's territories . The question is ? when even Bangladesh transport vehicles has to pay roads and transport tax to use the country's infrastructure , how in the hell Indian Transports gets away without paying any tariff or fees ,while using Bangladesh infrastructure. The strange and ironic thing is that very few Newspapers and Govt official are protesting or debating this critical & impotent issue .

Read what Bangla Weeky "Shapathic Budbar" has to say on the whole issue ( text is in Bangla )

Here is the Link to the story : http://budhbar.com/?p=3222

http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=339488





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RE: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?



What a silly argument ! Show us how this deal benefits Bangladesh instead of the empty rhetorics.    


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:26:58 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?

 
Since you can not see how this Deal can be beneficial for B.D., you should get your eyes checked unless you are already wearing Eye Glasses of Anti India and Anti Awami League Bias.
In that case, you should take those Glasses off and then look because you can not see any benefit through those Glasses. Okay ...!

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Wazed Khondkar <wkkhondkar@...> wrote:
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> Dear Alochoks,
> Mr. Robin Khondkar wrote the following regarding mine and Mr. Emanur Rahmans comment on this matter (please see below). I am sorry I did not know that Mr. Robin only write to alochona to win a Noble prize or some kind of recognition from the ruling elite of BD or am I being cynical like Mr. Robin? Some of us mere mortals only express their opinions and there are a lot of Bangladeshies at home and abroad would agree with our views.
> He is porbably a traitor (I hope not) and an opportunist politicians of BD but us mere mortals do not have a sinister plot like Mr. Robin. Mr. Robin is free to express his views any way he wishes but should not make personal attack just because other people do not agree with his views.Mr. Robin should highlight the good points about the transit deal. Please share this with the rest of us. You have to excuse my intelligenece but I can not see how the transit deal would be a good deal for BD.
> Salam
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> > From: Emanur Rahman <emanur@> [Add to Address Book]
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> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
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> > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Fooled By Indian Tansit Deal--Says who?
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> > Date: Nov 10, 2010 11:19 PM
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> > We do not have a Bangladeshi administration. Therein lies the problem. We have traitors in power. All the evidence suggests the same. Its not even about party interests. I dare say many AL supporters and party members also recognise this but choose not to speak up because they are either traitors, opportunists, sycophants or just plain stupid.
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> > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:31:45 +0000 (GMT)
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> > Certain groups of people with vested interest trying to hood wink the population of Bangladesh into thinking that a transit route for India is good for Bangladesh. This is indeed very bad news for Bangladesh. India can look after its interest but who is looking after Bangladesh's interest. Certainly not our politicians.
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[ALOCHONA] Microlending Backlash Spreads to Bangladesh



Microlending Backlash Spreads to Bangladesh
 
Muhammad Yunus of Grameen Bank has repeatedly said in the past that turning the microfinance industry into a high-profit, high growth business could end up hurting the poor

Backlash against the booming microfinance industry that has thrown Andhra Pradesh into crisis may be spreading to the Mecca of Microlending: Bangladesh.

The south Asian nation's Microcredit Regulatory Authority is planning to slap new restrictions on the industry which gives tiny loans to mini entrepreneurs.

The government regulator wants to cap interest rates on the loans at 27% and also dictate the maximum fees microlenders are allowed to charge, according to local reports.

The new rules, set to start from next July, would also force microlenders to give borrowers a 15-day grace period on loan repayments and make lenders drop requirements that borrowers put part of their loans in savings.

"About 40 million people in Bangladesh have availed of loans from microfinance organizations whose interest rates can be anywhere between 20-40%. There are some micro financers who also charge interest rates of more than 50%," Said Khandakar Muzharul Haque, the executive vice chairman of Micro Credit Regulatory Authority. "We want to structure and regulate this interest rate."

The success of the tiny loan industry in Bangladesh at helping the poor sparked a global microlending revolution. Muhammad Yunus of Grameen Bank in Bangladesh, won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2006 for pioneering the system.

The industry, however, is struggling this month in India. In the southern state of Andhra Pradesh politicians and bureaucrats have accused lenders of abusing the poor through high interest rates and harassment. Some have told borrowers they don't need to pay off their loans. In some cases, officials have arrested lending agents. Local politicians have even blamed dozens of suicides on microlenders.

Millions of borrowers have now stopped paying lenders in the state even though they have the money, the lenders say.

The state government has begun ratcheting up restrictions on the industry, making them register with multiple government offices and dictating when and where they can collect money.

Microlenders say they are not guilty of harassing or over-charging the poor. They say that more than 95% of their borrowers were meeting their weekly payments before the government started to interfere. They say if the backlash continues, many microfinance institutions may go out of business because Andhra Pradesh makes up around 30% of their revenues.

"I think the noises in government about our interest rates have become louder after the problems reported about in the microfinance industry in Andhra Pradesh," said Mohammed Abdul Awal, executive director of the Credit & Development Forum, a microfinance industry group in Bangladesh. "Politicians are always against microfinance and they need a chance to further that cause."

Grameen Bank has not responded to requests to comment on the situation in India.

Grameen's Mr. Yunus has, however, repeatedly said in the past that turning the industry into a high-profit, high growth business was opening Pandora's box and could end up hurting the poor as it spawns microlending companies that only care about making money and don't worry about whether their loans are hurting their impoverished customers.

"I feel very sorry that the concept of microcredit is being blatantly abused," he told the Wall Street Journal earlier this year. "Now any traditional loan shark anywhere can easily claim that they are the promoters of microcredit. What we created to fight loan sharks now is being used to give loan sharks a respectable identity."

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2010/11/10/microlending-backlash-spreads-to-bangladesh/?KEYWORDS=bangladesh

 


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[ALOCHONA] Re: Missed Opportunity

Dear Shahadat

I couldn't find the ICRC report - please send me the link.

Indeed, your explanation is widely known and widely believed. Except of course by those who think that justice in a murder case is best served by exaggeration.

"Your Honour, how can you question if 2 people were killed in the house?! Don't you realise that 20 people must have been killed in the house?"

Mujib meant to say 3 lacs were killed but could not find the English equivalent of lac. So he said 3 millions were killed. It was an easy enough mistake to make.

The rest is history. Absurd exaggeration, a comatose intellect and blanket acceptance has defined us ever since.

But what is even worse is that some people bother to question the situation :)

Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shahadat Hussaini <shahadathussaini@...> wrote:
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> Per ICRC the death toll was 3,97K during our liberation (Mukti Juddha) including all sides. But fact of this tarnished number is different from whatt Ejazur said. He is one way correct but most correct is the fact that Sheikh Mujib uttered it by mistake (3 million) when he was talking to the journalist in his press conference though, when he was told in London (after his release from Pakistan) that the casuality was 3 lacs. Mujib said, therefore, no way one can correct. That's like a gospel (Astaghfirullah!). If someone takes a correct statistics from the government, they will prove Mujib wrong, and therfore, Mujib's people will never did it though it was necessary for our history.
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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> From: Ezajur@...
> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:26:57 +0000
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Missed Opportunity
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> A citizen states that the absence of any effort to tabulate civilian deaths in the war of 1971 is a missed opportunity (New Age, November 4). This is incorrect. There has never been any meaningful effort to analytically prove that three million civilians died in 1971. This is a deliberate and necessary omission.
> This is because the magical fact of three million dead has long since become a sort of emotional crutch upon which our sense of our nation depends. Three million died—and so how great we are, how vile the Pakistanis were and how understandable our present condition. How far we have strayed from our dreams when we say three million died but cannot be bothered to count.
> Ezajur Rahman
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[ALOCHONA] Conflict or Cooperation?



Conflict or Cooperation?



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