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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy



You seem overwhelmed with emotion.  I am not a Democratic voter, I do not even reside in that pressure cooker society called the U. S. A.  It's not unlikely for the U. S. agents to pull strings to stage such event as happened in Benghazi to raise the popularity of an incumbent U. S. President in the election year.  Remember, even the Pearl Harbor bombing was allowed to happen.  Hawaii is less an American island than Japanese; Of fifty states, nothing more than thirteen colonies should be legitimately claimed by the U. S. A.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


Oh, I see - if it is typical Republican response, it does not count. I forgot about that.

Can I accuse you as a brainwashed Democrat to dismiss everything you say?

Actually, I won't. I know everything you say, you mean it. And, I hope, you will believe that in my case also. I did not hide my political bent; it's not a secret. You and Dr. Jafforullah must know that.

Jiten Roy

 

--- On Wed, 9/12/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 9:39 PM


 
Dr. Roy's response is typically republican.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Jaffor <jaffor@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Dr. Jiten Roy could do himself a big favor by acquiring knowledge before posting his remarks here in M-M forum. Yes, this is not the first time that a U.S. ambassador was killed in a foreign land by terrorists in the line of duty. Francis E. Meloy, Jr. the U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was assassinated in 1976. There may be another one or two American ambassadors who were killed abroad while serving our nation.

And he should not try to blame the killing on the liberal Democratic president. Lest he is losing his mind, Obama kept our forces miles away from Libya when people over there waged a civil war to topple Muamar Gadhafi. Many Republican Senators and Congressmen including John McCain had advocated sending troops to Libya. But Obama very cleverly avoided the direct involvement. Historically, Republicans take the nation to war. And the "Liberal" Democrats end the war. Examples are aplenty. The Korean War was ushered in by Dwight Eisenhower; Nixon escalated the Vietnam War by bombing Cambodia and Laos even though he did not start that War. I won't even mention GWB and RC's tireless effort to start 2 wars in Western Asia during 2001 and 2003.

Dr. Roy should not be so trigger happy to post his comments in this forum. The more he opens his mouth, the more he reveals his ignorance and shallow mindedness about world affairs.

Let us all agree that it is a sad day for the world. Needlessly, a diplomat had to lose his life. Lastly, Dr. Roy should not make the forum muddy by posting his partisan comments such as Obama's liberal policy has made this wanton killing possible.

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote:
>
> Obama response is tepid and insincere.  Hillary response is nonsensical. Our spineless liberal administration is up to no good. This inept administration can’t handle anything, be that domestic or foreign. Embassy is US property, and an attack on that property on 9/11 by foreigners is nothing but another 9/11. You are so right. It’s not an accident that â€" they chose this day to attack US embassy to protest for a U-tube video, and kill US Ambassador. I don’t know if ever before an US Ambassador got killed in a foreign country.  
> - JR  
>
> --- On Wed, 9/12/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...>

> Subject: [mukto-mona] Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:54 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Is this another 9/11 anniversary? They have killed a friend and good man! I do not think a video film is the only cause for such outrage.
>
> -SD
>
> Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
>
>
> US President Barack Obama: "There is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence"
>
>
> US President Barack Obama has vowed to bring to justice the killers of the US ambassador to Libya during protests against a film that mocks Islam.
> But he told reporters that the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi would not break the bonds between the US and the new Libyan government.
> Mitt Romney, Mr Obama's political foe, criticised his handling of the crisis.
> Ambassador J Christopher Stevens reportedly died of smoke inhalation after a crowd stormed the consulate.
>
> Three other Americans were also killed and the consulate set ablaze.
> Rocket-propelled grenades were reportedly fired during the assault on Tuesday night.
> Charred vehicles could be seen parked near the damaged buildings on Wednesday.
> A US marine anti-terrorism team is being sent to Libya to bolster security after the attack, a US defence source told reporters in Washington.
> Protesters against the film attacked the US embassy in Cairo on Tuesday night.
> In other developments on Wednesday:
>
> Nigeria placed its police force on red alert to guard against attacks related to the controversial film
> The US embassy in Algiers warned Americans in Algeria to avoid non-essential travel amid calls for protests on social media
>
> Tunisian police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the air to disperse a protest by several hundred people near the US embassy in the Tunisian capital, Tunis, as they chanted slogans including "Obama, Obama, we are here for the triumph of Islam", Reuters reports
>
> Demonstrations were reported outside the US embassy in the Sudanese capital Khartoum and the US consulate in Casablanca, Morocco, as well as outside the UN offices in the Gaza Strip
>
> The Afghan government ordered a block on Youtube until the offending film was removed but the site was still visible to internet users in Kabul'Especially tragic'
> Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters: "Make no mistake. Justice will be done."
> He said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack.
>
>
> Analysis
> Jonathan Marcus BBC Diplomatic Correspondent
> The killing of the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, along with three other US embassy staff, raises a host of questions about security, the prevalence of armed militias in the country and the whole trajectory of Libya's democratic project.
> The Obama administration in Washington will want answers from the Libyan government about the scale of the security measures in place at its consulate in Benghazi and how demonstrators were able to get into the building.
> More broadly the ambassador's death highlights the continuing instability in Libya as the country struggles to establish security and the rule of law.
> The country is awash with weapons and armed militias - some of a salafist or extreme Islamic fundamentalist outlook - hold sway in many areas.
> "It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save," he added, praising the dead ambassador for his work in Libya after the overthrow of the late Col Muammar Gaddafi.
> Reports say a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was involved in the attack, but the group has denied the claim, the BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says.
> Ambassador Stevens and his staff went to the consulate in an attempt to evacuate the site after it was attacked, the Associated Press news agency said.
> The building apparently came under attack by a crowd armed with guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
> The Libyan doctor who treated Mr Stevens in hospital said he died of severe asphyxiation, apparently from smoke inhalation, with no other injuries
> Dr Ziad Abu Zeid, who told AP he tried for 90 minutes to revive him, said Mr Stevens was the only American brought into the Benghazi Medical Centre and initially nobody realised he was the ambassador.
>
>
> US media reaction
> Time correspondent Ashraf Khalil describes the scene on the ground in Egypt and concludes the reaction to the film was "essentially a case of an American group of fringe Christian fundamentalists successfully provoking and enraging a similar group of fringe Muslim fundamentalists".
> ABC's Jake Tapper explains the chronology of events in Egypt and Libya as the Romney campaign accused the White House on Tuesday of being sympathetic with those who waged the attacks.
> NBC calls Mr Romney's criticism of the Obama administration "one of the most over-the-top and incorrect attacks of the general-election campaign".
> In the International Herald Tribune, Harvey Morris shares Christopher Stevens' recent emails with him about his hopes for Libya.
> Libya's interim leader, Mohammed Magarief, apologised to the US over the killings, which he called "cowardly criminal acts".
> Libya's deputy envoy to the UN, Ibrahim Dabashi, told the UN Security Council that his government was carrying out an investigation but he admitted it did not control all of Libya's territory.
> "We cannot understand how this group, or these persons, could have eliminated such a wonderful person," he said.
> Both UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the UN Security Council condemned the attack.
> Mr Romney, Mr Obama's Republican challenger in this November's presidential election, said the Obama administration had appeared to "sympathise with those who waged the attacks" in Benghazi and Cairo.
> Mr Obama's team, he said, had sent "mixed signals to the world" in the face of violence.Safety concerns
> UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he had sent condolences to President Obama and that he expected the new Libyan authorities to "do all in their power... to bring the killers to justice".
> Continue reading the main story
> US ambassadors killed in line of duty
>
> John Gordon Mein - Guatemala, 1968: Shot dead by rebels who ambushed his car
> Cleo A Noel Jr - Sudan, 1973: Shot dead along with senior US and Belgian diplomats by Palestinian militants, after being taken hostage in Saudi embassy
> Rodger P Davies - Cyprus, 1974: Killed by sniper gunfire during a protest at US embassy by Greek Cypriots
> Francis E Meloy Jr - Lebanon, 1976: Kidnapped and shot dead by Palestinian militants in Beirut with another senior US official
> Adolph Dubs - Afghanistan, 1979: Killed in exchange of fire after Afghan and Soviet forces tried to free him from kidnappers in hotel
> Our correspondent says many people in Libya are still armed following the conflict that overthrew Gaddafi.
> Analysts say the attack will raise serious new concerns about stability in the country and the ability of the new Libyan administration to maintain security.
> In June, two British bodyguards were injured in an attack in Benghazi on a convoy carrying the British ambassador to Libya. Red Cross and UN staff also came under attack this year.
> Correspondents say the film at the heart of the row, which appeared on Youtube translated into Arabic, is highly provocative and insulting to Muslims.
> An Islamic tenet bans the portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad.
> Cartoons featuring the founder of Islam sparked violent unrest among Muslims in 2005 when they were published by a Danish newspaper.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19577913
>  

> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
>





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তসলিমা নাসরিনকে নিয়ে এখন মুক্তমনায় অনেক লেখা দেখছি/ অধিকাংশ বিপক্ষে এবং সেটাই স্বাভাবিক/ কারণ: তসলিমাকে বুঝতে হলে যেটুকু জ্ঞান থাকা প্রয়োজন, অধিকাংশের তা নেই/ আর এক দল আছেন, যারা তসলিমাকে গালি দিয়ে টিকে থাকতে চান-যেমন সুনীলবাবু/ যারা 'লজ্জা' নিয়ে তসলিমাকে গালি দেয়; তারা মোটামুটি সবাই সাম্প্রদায়িক/ এরা কেউ থাকবেন না; তসলিমা থাকবেন/ আমার ধারণা, এ মুহুর্তে বাংলা সাহিত্যে তসলিমার ধরে কাছেও কেউ নেই; তাই ওরা আজেবাজে বকছে/ তসলিমার দোষ মাঝে মাঝে তিনি সত্য বলে ফেলেন; তার সাহস আছে; যারা তার সমালোচনা করেন, তারা সত্য মানতে ভয় পান/ তসলিমা মৌলবাদীদের গালে সজোরে যে থাপ্পরটি মেরেছেন; ওরা সেটি আজো ভুলতে পারছে না/ ধন্যবাদ/
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:


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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy




Oh, I see - if it is typical Republican response, it does not count. I forgot about that.

Can I accuse you as a brainwashed Democrat to dismiss everything you say?

Actually, I won't. I know everything you say, you mean it. And, I hope, you will believe that in my case also. I did not hide my political bent; it's not a secret. You and Dr. Jafforullah must know that.

Jiten Roy

 


--- On Wed, 9/12/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 9:39 PM

 
Dr. Roy's response is typically republican.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Jaffor <jaffor@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Dr. Jiten Roy could do himself a big favor by acquiring knowledge before posting his remarks here in M-M forum. Yes, this is not the first time that a U.S. ambassador was killed in a foreign land by terrorists in the line of duty. Francis E. Meloy, Jr. the U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was assassinated in 1976. There may be another one or two American ambassadors who were killed abroad while serving our nation.

And he should not try to blame the killing on the liberal Democratic president. Lest he is losing his mind, Obama kept our forces miles away from Libya when people over there waged a civil war to topple Muamar Gadhafi. Many Republican Senators and Congressmen including John McCain had advocated sending troops to Libya. But Obama very cleverly avoided the direct involvement. Historically, Republicans take the nation to war. And the "Liberal" Democrats end the war. Examples are aplenty. The Korean War was ushered in by Dwight Eisenhower; Nixon escalated the Vietnam War by bombing Cambodia and Laos even though he did not start that War. I won't even mention GWB and RC's tireless effort to start 2 wars in Western Asia during 2001 and 2003.

Dr. Roy should not be so trigger happy to post his comments in this forum. The more he opens his mouth, the more he reveals his ignorance and shallow mindedness about world affairs.

Let us all agree that it is a sad day for the world. Needlessly, a diplomat had to lose his life. Lastly, Dr. Roy should not make the forum muddy by posting his partisan comments such as Obama's liberal policy has made this wanton killing possible.

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote:
>
> Obama response is tepid and insincere.  Hillary response is nonsensical. Our spineless liberal administration is up to no good. This inept administration can’t handle anything, be that domestic or foreign. Embassy is US property, and an attack on that property on 9/11 by foreigners is nothing but another 9/11. You are so right. It’s not an accident that â€" they chose this day to attack US embassy to protest for a U-tube video, and kill US Ambassador. I don’t know if ever before an US Ambassador got killed in a foreign country.  
> - JR  
>
> --- On Wed, 9/12/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...>

> Subject: [mukto-mona] Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:54 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Is this another 9/11 anniversary? They have killed a friend and good man! I do not think a video film is the only cause for such outrage.
>
> -SD
>
> Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
>
>
> US President Barack Obama: "There is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence"
>
>
> US President Barack Obama has vowed to bring to justice the killers of the US ambassador to Libya during protests against a film that mocks Islam.
> But he told reporters that the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi would not break the bonds between the US and the new Libyan government.
> Mitt Romney, Mr Obama's political foe, criticised his handling of the crisis.
> Ambassador J Christopher Stevens reportedly died of smoke inhalation after a crowd stormed the consulate.
>
> Three other Americans were also killed and the consulate set ablaze.
> Rocket-propelled grenades were reportedly fired during the assault on Tuesday night.
> Charred vehicles could be seen parked near the damaged buildings on Wednesday.
> A US marine anti-terrorism team is being sent to Libya to bolster security after the attack, a US defence source told reporters in Washington.
> Protesters against the film attacked the US embassy in Cairo on Tuesday night.
> In other developments on Wednesday:
>
> Nigeria placed its police force on red alert to guard against attacks related to the controversial film
> The US embassy in Algiers warned Americans in Algeria to avoid non-essential travel amid calls for protests on social media
>
> Tunisian police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the air to disperse a protest by several hundred people near the US embassy in the Tunisian capital, Tunis, as they chanted slogans including "Obama, Obama, we are here for the triumph of Islam", Reuters reports
>
> Demonstrations were reported outside the US embassy in the Sudanese capital Khartoum and the US consulate in Casablanca, Morocco, as well as outside the UN offices in the Gaza Strip
>
> The Afghan government ordered a block on Youtube until the offending film was removed but the site was still visible to internet users in Kabul'Especially tragic'
> Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters: "Make no mistake. Justice will be done."
> He said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack.
>
>
> Analysis
> Jonathan Marcus BBC Diplomatic Correspondent
> The killing of the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, along with three other US embassy staff, raises a host of questions about security, the prevalence of armed militias in the country and the whole trajectory of Libya's democratic project.
> The Obama administration in Washington will want answers from the Libyan government about the scale of the security measures in place at its consulate in Benghazi and how demonstrators were able to get into the building.
> More broadly the ambassador's death highlights the continuing instability in Libya as the country struggles to establish security and the rule of law.
> The country is awash with weapons and armed militias - some of a salafist or extreme Islamic fundamentalist outlook - hold sway in many areas.
> "It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save," he added, praising the dead ambassador for his work in Libya after the overthrow of the late Col Muammar Gaddafi.
> Reports say a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was involved in the attack, but the group has denied the claim, the BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says.
> Ambassador Stevens and his staff went to the consulate in an attempt to evacuate the site after it was attacked, the Associated Press news agency said.
> The building apparently came under attack by a crowd armed with guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
> The Libyan doctor who treated Mr Stevens in hospital said he died of severe asphyxiation, apparently from smoke inhalation, with no other injuries
> Dr Ziad Abu Zeid, who told AP he tried for 90 minutes to revive him, said Mr Stevens was the only American brought into the Benghazi Medical Centre and initially nobody realised he was the ambassador.
>
>
> US media reaction
> Time correspondent Ashraf Khalil describes the scene on the ground in Egypt and concludes the reaction to the film was "essentially a case of an American group of fringe Christian fundamentalists successfully provoking and enraging a similar group of fringe Muslim fundamentalists".
> ABC's Jake Tapper explains the chronology of events in Egypt and Libya as the Romney campaign accused the White House on Tuesday of being sympathetic with those who waged the attacks.
> NBC calls Mr Romney's criticism of the Obama administration "one of the most over-the-top and incorrect attacks of the general-election campaign".
> In the International Herald Tribune, Harvey Morris shares Christopher Stevens' recent emails with him about his hopes for Libya.
> Libya's interim leader, Mohammed Magarief, apologised to the US over the killings, which he called "cowardly criminal acts".
> Libya's deputy envoy to the UN, Ibrahim Dabashi, told the UN Security Council that his government was carrying out an investigation but he admitted it did not control all of Libya's territory.
> "We cannot understand how this group, or these persons, could have eliminated such a wonderful person," he said.
> Both UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the UN Security Council condemned the attack.
> Mr Romney, Mr Obama's Republican challenger in this November's presidential election, said the Obama administration had appeared to "sympathise with those who waged the attacks" in Benghazi and Cairo.
> Mr Obama's team, he said, had sent "mixed signals to the world" in the face of violence.Safety concerns
> UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he had sent condolences to President Obama and that he expected the new Libyan authorities to "do all in their power... to bring the killers to justice".
> Continue reading the main story
> US ambassadors killed in line of duty
>
> John Gordon Mein - Guatemala, 1968: Shot dead by rebels who ambushed his car
> Cleo A Noel Jr - Sudan, 1973: Shot dead along with senior US and Belgian diplomats by Palestinian militants, after being taken hostage in Saudi embassy
> Rodger P Davies - Cyprus, 1974: Killed by sniper gunfire during a protest at US embassy by Greek Cypriots
> Francis E Meloy Jr - Lebanon, 1976: Kidnapped and shot dead by Palestinian militants in Beirut with another senior US official
> Adolph Dubs - Afghanistan, 1979: Killed in exchange of fire after Afghan and Soviet forces tried to free him from kidnappers in hotel
> Our correspondent says many people in Libya are still armed following the conflict that overthrew Gaddafi.
> Analysts say the attack will raise serious new concerns about stability in the country and the ability of the new Libyan administration to maintain security.
> In June, two British bodyguards were injured in an attack in Benghazi on a convoy carrying the British ambassador to Libya. Red Cross and UN staff also came under attack this year.
> Correspondents say the film at the heart of the row, which appeared on Youtube translated into Arabic, is highly provocative and insulting to Muslims.
> An Islamic tenet bans the portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad.
> Cartoons featuring the founder of Islam sparked violent unrest among Muslims in 2005 when they were published by a Danish newspaper.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19577913
>  

> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
>




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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy



 

Did you miss that I said - I am not sure if ever before such killing happened?

 

Why don't you just opine instead of asking others not to comment anything that you don't like? I do not like your political comments, but - have I ever told you not to comment in this forum?

 

Secondly, tell me why foreign Embassy in a rogue country, like Libya, was not secured in the eve of 9/11 anniversary?

 

Thirdly, tell me why Embassy in Egypt was not secured knowing full well that there was a protest scheduled on 9/11. Instead of securing the Embassy, they circulated an apology to appease the radicals. Is this your sound foreign policy?

 

Jiten Roy

 


--- On Wed, 9/12/12, Jaffor <jaffor@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jaffor <jaffor@gmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 9:31 PM

 
Dr. Jiten Roy could do himself a big favor by acquiring knowledge before posting his remarks here in M-M forum. Yes, this is not the first time that a U.S. ambassador was killed in a foreign land by terrorists in the line of duty. Francis E. Meloy, Jr. the U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was assassinated in 1976. There may be another one or two American ambassadors who were killed abroad while serving our nation.

And he should not try to blame the killing on the liberal Democratic president. Lest he is losing his mind, Obama kept our forces miles away from Libya when people over there waged a civil war to topple Muamar Gadhafi. Many Republican Senators and Congressmen including John McCain had advocated sending troops to Libya. But Obama very cleverly avoided the direct involvement. Historically, Republicans take the nation to war. And the "Liberal" Democrats end the war. Examples are aplenty. The Korean War was ushered in by Dwight Eisenhower; Nixon escalated the Vietnam War by bombing Cambodia and Laos even though he did not start that War. I won't even mention GWB and RC's tireless effort to start 2 wars in Western Asia during 2001 and 2003.

Dr. Roy should not be so trigger happy to post his comments in this forum. The more he opens his mouth, the more he reveals his ignorance and shallow mindedness about world affairs.

Let us all agree that it is a sad day for the world. Needlessly, a diplomat had to lose his life. Lastly, Dr. Roy should not make the forum muddy by posting his partisan comments such as Obama's liberal policy has made this wanton killing possible.

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote:
>
> Obama response is tepid and insincere.  Hillary response is nonsensical. Our spineless liberal administration is up to no good. This inept administration can’t handle anything, be that domestic or foreign. Embassy is US property, and an attack on that property on 9/11 by foreigners is nothing but another 9/11. You are so right. It’s not an accident that â€" they chose this day to attack US embassy to protest for a U-tube video, and kill US Ambassador. I don’t know if ever before an US Ambassador got killed in a foreign country.  
> - JR  
>
> --- On Wed, 9/12/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...>
> Subject: [mukto-mona] Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:54 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Is this another 9/11 anniversary? They have killed a friend and good man! I do not think a video film is the only cause for such outrage.
>
> -SD
>
> Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
>
>
> US President Barack Obama: "There is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence"
>
>
> US President Barack Obama has vowed to bring to justice the killers of the US ambassador to Libya during protests against a film that mocks Islam.
> But he told reporters that the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi would not break the bonds between the US and the new Libyan government.
> Mitt Romney, Mr Obama's political foe, criticised his handling of the crisis.
> Ambassador J Christopher Stevens reportedly died of smoke inhalation after a crowd stormed the consulate.
>
> Three other Americans were also killed and the consulate set ablaze.
> Rocket-propelled grenades were reportedly fired during the assault on Tuesday night.
> Charred vehicles could be seen parked near the damaged buildings on Wednesday.
> A US marine anti-terrorism team is being sent to Libya to bolster security after the attack, a US defence source told reporters in Washington.
> Protesters against the film attacked the US embassy in Cairo on Tuesday night.
> In other developments on Wednesday:
>
> Nigeria placed its police force on red alert to guard against attacks related to the controversial film
> The US embassy in Algiers warned Americans in Algeria to avoid non-essential travel amid calls for protests on social media
>
> Tunisian police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the air to disperse a protest by several hundred people near the US embassy in the Tunisian capital, Tunis, as they chanted slogans including "Obama, Obama, we are here for the triumph of Islam", Reuters reports
>
> Demonstrations were reported outside the US embassy in the Sudanese capital Khartoum and the US consulate in Casablanca, Morocco, as well as outside the UN offices in the Gaza Strip
>
> The Afghan government ordered a block on Youtube until the offending film was removed but the site was still visible to internet users in Kabul'Especially tragic'
> Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters: "Make no mistake. Justice will be done."
> He said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack.
>
>
> Analysis
> Jonathan Marcus BBC Diplomatic Correspondent
> The killing of the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, along with three other US embassy staff, raises a host of questions about security, the prevalence of armed militias in the country and the whole trajectory of Libya's democratic project.
> The Obama administration in Washington will want answers from the Libyan government about the scale of the security measures in place at its consulate in Benghazi and how demonstrators were able to get into the building.
> More broadly the ambassador's death highlights the continuing instability in Libya as the country struggles to establish security and the rule of law.
> The country is awash with weapons and armed militias - some of a salafist or extreme Islamic fundamentalist outlook - hold sway in many areas.
> "It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save," he added, praising the dead ambassador for his work in Libya after the overthrow of the late Col Muammar Gaddafi.
> Reports say a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was involved in the attack, but the group has denied the claim, the BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says.
> Ambassador Stevens and his staff went to the consulate in an attempt to evacuate the site after it was attacked, the Associated Press news agency said.
> The building apparently came under attack by a crowd armed with guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
> The Libyan doctor who treated Mr Stevens in hospital said he died of severe asphyxiation, apparently from smoke inhalation, with no other injuries
> Dr Ziad Abu Zeid, who told AP he tried for 90 minutes to revive him, said Mr Stevens was the only American brought into the Benghazi Medical Centre and initially nobody realised he was the ambassador.
>
>
> US media reaction
> Time correspondent Ashraf Khalil describes the scene on the ground in Egypt and concludes the reaction to the film was "essentially a case of an American group of fringe Christian fundamentalists successfully provoking and enraging a similar group of fringe Muslim fundamentalists".
> ABC's Jake Tapper explains the chronology of events in Egypt and Libya as the Romney campaign accused the White House on Tuesday of being sympathetic with those who waged the attacks.
> NBC calls Mr Romney's criticism of the Obama administration "one of the most over-the-top and incorrect attacks of the general-election campaign".
> In the International Herald Tribune, Harvey Morris shares Christopher Stevens' recent emails with him about his hopes for Libya.
> Libya's interim leader, Mohammed Magarief, apologised to the US over the killings, which he called "cowardly criminal acts".
> Libya's deputy envoy to the UN, Ibrahim Dabashi, told the UN Security Council that his government was carrying out an investigation but he admitted it did not control all of Libya's territory.
> "We cannot understand how this group, or these persons, could have eliminated such a wonderful person," he said.
> Both UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the UN Security Council condemned the attack.
> Mr Romney, Mr Obama's Republican challenger in this November's presidential election, said the Obama administration had appeared to "sympathise with those who waged the attacks" in Benghazi and Cairo.
> Mr Obama's team, he said, had sent "mixed signals to the world" in the face of violence.Safety concerns
> UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he had sent condolences to President Obama and that he expected the new Libyan authorities to "do all in their power... to bring the killers to justice".
> Continue reading the main story
> US ambassadors killed in line of duty
>
> John Gordon Mein - Guatemala, 1968: Shot dead by rebels who ambushed his car
> Cleo A Noel Jr - Sudan, 1973: Shot dead along with senior US and Belgian diplomats by Palestinian militants, after being taken hostage in Saudi embassy
> Rodger P Davies - Cyprus, 1974: Killed by sniper gunfire during a protest at US embassy by Greek Cypriots
> Francis E Meloy Jr - Lebanon, 1976: Kidnapped and shot dead by Palestinian militants in Beirut with another senior US official
> Adolph Dubs - Afghanistan, 1979: Killed in exchange of fire after Afghan and Soviet forces tried to free him from kidnappers in hotel
> Our correspondent says many people in Libya are still armed following the conflict that overthrew Gaddafi.
> Analysts say the attack will raise serious new concerns about stability in the country and the ability of the new Libyan administration to maintain security.
> In June, two British bodyguards were injured in an attack in Benghazi on a convoy carrying the British ambassador to Libya. Red Cross and UN staff also came under attack this year.
> Correspondents say the film at the heart of the row, which appeared on Youtube translated into Arabic, is highly provocative and insulting to Muslims.
> An Islamic tenet bans the portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad.
> Cartoons featuring the founder of Islam sparked violent unrest among Muslims in 2005 when they were published by a Danish newspaper.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19577913
>  
> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
>



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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy



Dr. Roy's response is typically republican.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Jaffor <jaffor@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Dr. Jiten Roy could do himself a big favor by acquiring knowledge before posting his remarks here in M-M forum. Yes, this is not the first time that a U.S. ambassador was killed in a foreign land by terrorists in the line of duty. Francis E. Meloy, Jr. the U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was assassinated in 1976. There may be another one or two American ambassadors who were killed abroad while serving our nation.

And he should not try to blame the killing on the liberal Democratic president. Lest he is losing his mind, Obama kept our forces miles away from Libya when people over there waged a civil war to topple Muamar Gadhafi. Many Republican Senators and Congressmen including John McCain had advocated sending troops to Libya. But Obama very cleverly avoided the direct involvement. Historically, Republicans take the nation to war. And the "Liberal" Democrats end the war. Examples are aplenty. The Korean War was ushered in by Dwight Eisenhower; Nixon escalated the Vietnam War by bombing Cambodia and Laos even though he did not start that War. I won't even mention GWB and RC's tireless effort to start 2 wars in Western Asia during 2001 and 2003.

Dr. Roy should not be so trigger happy to post his comments in this forum. The more he opens his mouth, the more he reveals his ignorance and shallow mindedness about world affairs.

Let us all agree that it is a sad day for the world. Needlessly, a diplomat had to lose his life. Lastly, Dr. Roy should not make the forum muddy by posting his partisan comments such as Obama's liberal policy has made this wanton killing possible.

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote:
>
> Obama response is tepid and insincere.  Hillary response is nonsensical. Our spineless liberal administration is up to no good. This inept administration can’t handle anything, be that domestic or foreign. Embassy is US property, and an attack on that property on 9/11 by foreigners is nothing but another 9/11. You are so right. It’s not an accident that â€" they chose this day to attack US embassy to protest for a U-tube video, and kill US Ambassador. I don’t know if ever before an US Ambassador got killed in a foreign country.  
> - JR  
>
> --- On Wed, 9/12/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...>


> Subject: [mukto-mona] Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:54 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Is this another 9/11 anniversary? They have killed a friend and good man! I do not think a video film is the only cause for such outrage.
>
> -SD
>
> Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
>
>
> US President Barack Obama: "There is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence"
>
>
> US President Barack Obama has vowed to bring to justice the killers of the US ambassador to Libya during protests against a film that mocks Islam.
> But he told reporters that the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi would not break the bonds between the US and the new Libyan government.
> Mitt Romney, Mr Obama's political foe, criticised his handling of the crisis.
> Ambassador J Christopher Stevens reportedly died of smoke inhalation after a crowd stormed the consulate.
>
> Three other Americans were also killed and the consulate set ablaze.
> Rocket-propelled grenades were reportedly fired during the assault on Tuesday night.
> Charred vehicles could be seen parked near the damaged buildings on Wednesday.
> A US marine anti-terrorism team is being sent to Libya to bolster security after the attack, a US defence source told reporters in Washington.
> Protesters against the film attacked the US embassy in Cairo on Tuesday night.
> In other developments on Wednesday:
>
> Nigeria placed its police force on red alert to guard against attacks related to the controversial film
> The US embassy in Algiers warned Americans in Algeria to avoid non-essential travel amid calls for protests on social media
>
> Tunisian police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the air to disperse a protest by several hundred people near the US embassy in the Tunisian capital, Tunis, as they chanted slogans including "Obama, Obama, we are here for the triumph of Islam", Reuters reports
>
> Demonstrations were reported outside the US embassy in the Sudanese capital Khartoum and the US consulate in Casablanca, Morocco, as well as outside the UN offices in the Gaza Strip
>
> The Afghan government ordered a block on Youtube until the offending film was removed but the site was still visible to internet users in Kabul'Especially tragic'
> Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters: "Make no mistake. Justice will be done."
> He said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack.
>
>
> Analysis
> Jonathan Marcus BBC Diplomatic Correspondent
> The killing of the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, along with three other US embassy staff, raises a host of questions about security, the prevalence of armed militias in the country and the whole trajectory of Libya's democratic project.
> The Obama administration in Washington will want answers from the Libyan government about the scale of the security measures in place at its consulate in Benghazi and how demonstrators were able to get into the building.
> More broadly the ambassador's death highlights the continuing instability in Libya as the country struggles to establish security and the rule of law.
> The country is awash with weapons and armed militias - some of a salafist or extreme Islamic fundamentalist outlook - hold sway in many areas.
> "It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save," he added, praising the dead ambassador for his work in Libya after the overthrow of the late Col Muammar Gaddafi.
> Reports say a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was involved in the attack, but the group has denied the claim, the BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says.
> Ambassador Stevens and his staff went to the consulate in an attempt to evacuate the site after it was attacked, the Associated Press news agency said.
> The building apparently came under attack by a crowd armed with guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
> The Libyan doctor who treated Mr Stevens in hospital said he died of severe asphyxiation, apparently from smoke inhalation, with no other injuries
> Dr Ziad Abu Zeid, who told AP he tried for 90 minutes to revive him, said Mr Stevens was the only American brought into the Benghazi Medical Centre and initially nobody realised he was the ambassador.
>
>
> US media reaction
> Time correspondent Ashraf Khalil describes the scene on the ground in Egypt and concludes the reaction to the film was "essentially a case of an American group of fringe Christian fundamentalists successfully provoking and enraging a similar group of fringe Muslim fundamentalists".
> ABC's Jake Tapper explains the chronology of events in Egypt and Libya as the Romney campaign accused the White House on Tuesday of being sympathetic with those who waged the attacks.
> NBC calls Mr Romney's criticism of the Obama administration "one of the most over-the-top and incorrect attacks of the general-election campaign".
> In the International Herald Tribune, Harvey Morris shares Christopher Stevens' recent emails with him about his hopes for Libya.
> Libya's interim leader, Mohammed Magarief, apologised to the US over the killings, which he called "cowardly criminal acts".
> Libya's deputy envoy to the UN, Ibrahim Dabashi, told the UN Security Council that his government was carrying out an investigation but he admitted it did not control all of Libya's territory.
> "We cannot understand how this group, or these persons, could have eliminated such a wonderful person," he said.
> Both UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the UN Security Council condemned the attack.
> Mr Romney, Mr Obama's Republican challenger in this November's presidential election, said the Obama administration had appeared to "sympathise with those who waged the attacks" in Benghazi and Cairo.
> Mr Obama's team, he said, had sent "mixed signals to the world" in the face of violence.Safety concerns
> UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he had sent condolences to President Obama and that he expected the new Libyan authorities to "do all in their power... to bring the killers to justice".
> Continue reading the main story
> US ambassadors killed in line of duty
>
> John Gordon Mein - Guatemala, 1968: Shot dead by rebels who ambushed his car
> Cleo A Noel Jr - Sudan, 1973: Shot dead along with senior US and Belgian diplomats by Palestinian militants, after being taken hostage in Saudi embassy
> Rodger P Davies - Cyprus, 1974: Killed by sniper gunfire during a protest at US embassy by Greek Cypriots
> Francis E Meloy Jr - Lebanon, 1976: Kidnapped and shot dead by Palestinian militants in Beirut with another senior US official
> Adolph Dubs - Afghanistan, 1979: Killed in exchange of fire after Afghan and Soviet forces tried to free him from kidnappers in hotel
> Our correspondent says many people in Libya are still armed following the conflict that overthrew Gaddafi.
> Analysts say the attack will raise serious new concerns about stability in the country and the ability of the new Libyan administration to maintain security.
> In June, two British bodyguards were injured in an attack in Benghazi on a convoy carrying the British ambassador to Libya. Red Cross and UN staff also came under attack this year.
> Correspondents say the film at the heart of the row, which appeared on Youtube translated into Arabic, is highly provocative and insulting to Muslims.
> An Islamic tenet bans the portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad.
> Cartoons featuring the founder of Islam sparked violent unrest among Muslims in 2005 when they were published by a Danish newspaper.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19577913
>  

> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
>




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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: [india-unity] Wife beating is good: We need more such justices!



Vidya dadati vinayam was not invented by your teacher, and ain't universally true.  If you haven't noticed, none of the renowned philosopher was modest.  Many were even involved in burning the heretics alive.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Calling Ms. Majid a closet fundamentalist and a pro-Pakistani is a complete distortion of fact. I read everyone's writing in this forum. To me it seems that she is a highly secular and progressive person with strong believe in the spirit of Muktijuddho,
Anyone  'should stop bragging on her grasp on anything and
do a little more homework, otherwise her ignorance will be exposed' - it is true for more than one person in this forum.
 
Vidya dadati vinayang (true only for real vidyans) - firstime I heard it was (when I was in class IV or V) from Mr. Nirod Vihari Chowdhury (do not remember how he actually spelled his name) , Headmaster of Prabartak Vidyapith, Chittagong in '60s. Nirod-da was like a father to us.

--- On Tue, 9/11/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: [india-unity] Wife beating is good: We need more such justices!
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 5:04 PM


 
Only a stupid closet fundamentalist and a pro-Pakistani like Ms. Majid
could do such idiotic posting. I carry a Bangla name, but never
preach Hinduism. I don't even believe that there ever existed a
religion called Hinduism and avoid all religious festivals. The
Persians called the brown skinned people on the south Hindus, and even
Sir Syed Ahmed Khan called himself a Hindu by culture and a Muslim in
religion. Ms. Majid should stop bragging on her grasp on anything and
do a little more homework, otherwise her ignorance will be exposed.




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[mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy

Dr. Jiten Roy could do himself a big favor by acquiring knowledge before posting his remarks here in M-M forum. Yes, this is not the first time that a U.S. ambassador was killed in a foreign land by terrorists in the line of duty. Francis E. Meloy, Jr. the U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was assassinated in 1976. There may be another one or two American ambassadors who were killed abroad while serving our nation.

And he should not try to blame the killing on the liberal Democratic president. Lest he is losing his mind, Obama kept our forces miles away from Libya when people over there waged a civil war to topple Muamar Gadhafi. Many Republican Senators and Congressmen including John McCain had advocated sending troops to Libya. But Obama very cleverly avoided the direct involvement. Historically, Republicans take the nation to war. And the "Liberal" Democrats end the war. Examples are aplenty. The Korean War was ushered in by Dwight Eisenhower; Nixon escalated the Vietnam War by bombing Cambodia and Laos even though he did not start that War. I won't even mention GWB and RC's tireless effort to start 2 wars in Western Asia during 2001 and 2003.

Dr. Roy should not be so trigger happy to post his comments in this forum. The more he opens his mouth, the more he reveals his ignorance and shallow mindedness about world affairs.

Let us all agree that it is a sad day for the world. Needlessly, a diplomat had to lose his life. Lastly, Dr. Roy should not make the forum muddy by posting his partisan comments such as Obama's liberal policy has made this wanton killing possible.


--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote:
>
> Obama response is tepid and insincere.  Hillary response is nonsensical. Our spineless liberal administration is up to no good. This inept administration can’t handle anything, be that domestic or foreign. Embassy is US property, and an attack on that property on 9/11 by foreigners is nothing but another 9/11. You are so right. It’s not an accident that â€" they chose this day to attack US embassy to protest for a U-tube video, and kill US Ambassador. I don’t know if ever before an US Ambassador got killed in a foreign country.  
> - JR  
>
> --- On Wed, 9/12/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...>
> Subject: [mukto-mona] Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:54 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Is this another 9/11 anniversary? They have killed a friend and good man! I do not think a video film is the only cause for such outrage.
>
> -SD
>
> Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
>
>
> US President Barack Obama: "There is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence"
>
>
> US President Barack Obama has vowed to bring to justice the killers of the US ambassador to Libya during protests against a film that mocks Islam.
> But he told reporters that the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi would not break the bonds between the US and the new Libyan government.
> Mitt Romney, Mr Obama's political foe, criticised his handling of the crisis.
> Ambassador J Christopher Stevens reportedly died of smoke inhalation after a crowd stormed the consulate.
>
> Three other Americans were also killed and the consulate set ablaze.
> Rocket-propelled grenades were reportedly fired during the assault on Tuesday night.
> Charred vehicles could be seen parked near the damaged buildings on Wednesday.
> A US marine anti-terrorism team is being sent to Libya to bolster security after the attack, a US defence source told reporters in Washington.
> Protesters against the film attacked the US embassy in Cairo on Tuesday night.
> In other developments on Wednesday:
>
> Nigeria placed its police force on red alert to guard against attacks related to the controversial film
> The US embassy in Algiers warned Americans in Algeria to avoid non-essential travel amid calls for protests on social media
>
> Tunisian police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the air to disperse a protest by several hundred people near the US embassy in the Tunisian capital, Tunis, as they chanted slogans including "Obama, Obama, we are here for the triumph of Islam", Reuters reports
>
> Demonstrations were reported outside the US embassy in the Sudanese capital Khartoum and the US consulate in Casablanca, Morocco, as well as outside the UN offices in the Gaza Strip
>
> The Afghan government ordered a block on Youtube until the offending film was removed but the site was still visible to internet users in Kabul'Especially tragic'
> Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters: "Make no mistake. Justice will be done."
> He said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack.
>
>
> Analysis
> Jonathan Marcus BBC Diplomatic Correspondent
> The killing of the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, along with three other US embassy staff, raises a host of questions about security, the prevalence of armed militias in the country and the whole trajectory of Libya's democratic project.
> The Obama administration in Washington will want answers from the Libyan government about the scale of the security measures in place at its consulate in Benghazi and how demonstrators were able to get into the building.
> More broadly the ambassador's death highlights the continuing instability in Libya as the country struggles to establish security and the rule of law.
> The country is awash with weapons and armed militias - some of a salafist or extreme Islamic fundamentalist outlook - hold sway in many areas.
> "It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save," he added, praising the dead ambassador for his work in Libya after the overthrow of the late Col Muammar Gaddafi.
> Reports say a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was involved in the attack, but the group has denied the claim, the BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says.
> Ambassador Stevens and his staff went to the consulate in an attempt to evacuate the site after it was attacked, the Associated Press news agency said.
> The building apparently came under attack by a crowd armed with guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
> The Libyan doctor who treated Mr Stevens in hospital said he died of severe asphyxiation, apparently from smoke inhalation, with no other injuries
> Dr Ziad Abu Zeid, who told AP he tried for 90 minutes to revive him, said Mr Stevens was the only American brought into the Benghazi Medical Centre and initially nobody realised he was the ambassador.
>
>
> US media reaction
> Time correspondent Ashraf Khalil describes the scene on the ground in Egypt and concludes the reaction to the film was "essentially a case of an American group of fringe Christian fundamentalists successfully provoking and enraging a similar group of fringe Muslim fundamentalists".
> ABC's Jake Tapper explains the chronology of events in Egypt and Libya as the Romney campaign accused the White House on Tuesday of being sympathetic with those who waged the attacks.
> NBC calls Mr Romney's criticism of the Obama administration "one of the most over-the-top and incorrect attacks of the general-election campaign".
> In the International Herald Tribune, Harvey Morris shares Christopher Stevens' recent emails with him about his hopes for Libya.
> Libya's interim leader, Mohammed Magarief, apologised to the US over the killings, which he called "cowardly criminal acts".
> Libya's deputy envoy to the UN, Ibrahim Dabashi, told the UN Security Council that his government was carrying out an investigation but he admitted it did not control all of Libya's territory.
> "We cannot understand how this group, or these persons, could have eliminated such a wonderful person," he said.
> Both UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the UN Security Council condemned the attack.
> Mr Romney, Mr Obama's Republican challenger in this November's presidential election, said the Obama administration had appeared to "sympathise with those who waged the attacks" in Benghazi and Cairo.
> Mr Obama's team, he said, had sent "mixed signals to the world" in the face of violence.Safety concerns
> UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he had sent condolences to President Obama and that he expected the new Libyan authorities to "do all in their power... to bring the killers to justice".
> Continue reading the main story
> US ambassadors killed in line of duty
>
> John Gordon Mein - Guatemala, 1968: Shot dead by rebels who ambushed his car
> Cleo A Noel Jr - Sudan, 1973: Shot dead along with senior US and Belgian diplomats by Palestinian militants, after being taken hostage in Saudi embassy
> Rodger P Davies - Cyprus, 1974: Killed by sniper gunfire during a protest at US embassy by Greek Cypriots
> Francis E Meloy Jr - Lebanon, 1976: Kidnapped and shot dead by Palestinian militants in Beirut with another senior US official
> Adolph Dubs - Afghanistan, 1979: Killed in exchange of fire after Afghan and Soviet forces tried to free him from kidnappers in hotel
> Our correspondent says many people in Libya are still armed following the conflict that overthrew Gaddafi.
> Analysts say the attack will raise serious new concerns about stability in the country and the ability of the new Libyan administration to maintain security.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: November Election: Disappointing News for Rush Limbaugh Fans



Since time immemorial, the job of the economists was to create employment opportunities for the people.  Without Governmental help, such mass employment would be impossible.  I am afraid, Dr. Roy is brainwashed by the republican party ideas advocated by people like Rush Limbaugh.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:15 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

As far as I can see, Dr. Roy's idea below is no word of wisdom; it is just wrong. There are millions of examples of people who were lifted out of poverty by good governmental policies in the world. For example, I know many well paid Chinese professionals in the USA who would have been poor had it not been for the facilities that they and their families got from the government of the People's Republic of China. In India, the Gareeby Hotao (remove poverty) programs over quite a few decades have lifted a lot of people from abject poverty.
 
Now, I do not advocate equal treatment or pay for bums and smart people. But a humane world cannot allow any human being, let alone a hard working human being, to go hungry while thousands of people live in too much of luxury and millions of people live quite comfortably.
 
No one caused poverty for others is not a statement that would be expected from a smart observant of the world. For example, Just think about the loan sharks of rural Bengal over many centuries. Does Dr. Roy really think that those loan sharks did not cause or enhance poverty in Bengal?
 
BTW: I will vote for Obama and the Democratic Party, because I think they are better than the republicans, while I do recognize that both parties play in the hands of the big businesses in the USA.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:20 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: November Election: Disappointing News for Rush Limbaugh Fans
 
"Poverty is a curse, and it is individual's responsibility to lift it. No one caused it or no one will lift it for anybody.
 
K. Das Said: "This is half truth at best.  Not even the leading Capitalists with a bit of common sense would subscribe to such ideas."
 
This is my idea, be that right or wrong. Dr. Das, what is the right idea in your view? Would you care to teach me? I am ready to learn.
 
Jiten 
--- On Mon, 9/10/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: November Election: Disappointing News for Rush Limbaugh Fans
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 10, 2012, 9:23 PM

 
"Are you better off now than 4 years ago?"   This is a question raised by that old demented presidential candidate named Ronald Regan against the peanut vendor one term President Carter.  Regan's lack of comprehension was legendary.  He, during one of his campaign speech, blamed China for having bombed Pearl Harbor.  Republicans ask for less Government and ask for bail out when in trouble The economic mess that the republicans have created would need a Stalin to cure.  "Poverty is a curse, and it is individual's responsibility to lift it. No one caused it or no one will lift it for anybody. This is half truth at best.  Not even the leading Capitalists with a bit of common sense would subscribe to such ideas. 
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Jiten Roy <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Hello Dr. Jafforullah,
 
How have you been? Long time no talk. Boy, you are a seasonal bird; you only sing in the election season. Yes, I remember our exchanges before the last election cycle 4 years back. Time flies fast. Let me ask you, my friend - "Are you better off now than 4 years ago?"
 
Sorry, I know, we are not friend, not enemy either; just happen to belong to two different camps. I am for a smaller government; you are for a bigger one. I am for capitalism, you are for socialism. But, we are not a rival – are we? If not, why do you need derogatory terms to make your point?
 
The fact is - I am not as partisan as you are. So, I won't compete with you for political nonsense. You can go ahead and elect your president. I did not support him last time, and it will not be any different this time. I knew then – he was not the right doctor for the kind of disease the country was suffering from. And I was right.
He did not cure the disease. How could he? His expertise is in a totally different field, so he has prescribed a wrong medicine. Can dentist fix your heart problem? Definitely not, but – politically ignorant mass were impressed by his sweet-talks and promises for the cure.
 
Here we are 4 years later; problem is still here, and our sweet-talking leader is back with a different rhetoric. First time he was for uniting everybody, now he wants to divide - rich vs. middle-class and the poor. It seems like – politically ignorant people will again go for the promises, instead of seeking alternate therapy. I knew it 4 years back, when I called him – the pied piper of USA. 
 
The fact is - I do not like sweet-talking politicians, who come right before elections and stand before the cheering naive crowd and through some political rhetoric, such as - I am for the poor, and feel your pain, etc., etc., and the crowd is moved with tears. After that - their condition becomes worse year after year. 
 
I am not indebted to anybody. I want to change the doctor. I want results, not sweet-talk and excuses. I want cure, not promises. If you can't do it get out of the way. This is my view. If naive Americans did not learn anything during the last 4 years, they will get what they deserve in the next 4 years. This will not affect me significantly in either way. Let them have a test of the third world country. Please refer to the Rush Limbaugh quote below.
 
As for myself, by your grace, this country has given me much more than I deserve, and I am quite successful in what I do. Thank you very much for inquiring about it. I love this country very much, and I want its continued success.
As for me being a king, it's all about perception. Money can help somewhat, but the real king-maker is the perception of being a king. I have seen many rich people leading very simple life; they are not king. When I was a student in Dhaka University, there were many days when I did not know where my lunch money will come from, but - never thought of myself as a poor fellow. I thought of it as a temporary hurdle, which I need to overcome at that moment. I did not blame anybody for my economic hardship. In my book, there is no pride being poor. Poverty is a curse, and it is individual's responsibility to lift it. No one caused it or no one will lift it for anybody. Yes, I know many places it cannot be done due to lack of opportunity. But, you cannot say that in the USA. I laugh at those who blame rich for their poverty and distress. If you blame others for being poor here, you will forever remain poor. Rich and poor go through more or less the same system. When I came here, I had $150 in my pocket. I did not know anybody; nobody gave me a lift; I had to earn all I have.  
 
Also, I do not believe you that can help the poor, by destroying the rich. They did not make someone poor, no matter what your party politics dictates you. That's why - I love Lincoln's quotes so much. I know many of us are allergic to those quotes. As a result, the moment I circulated those quotes, they started to protest. Those are the proverbial partisan-political ideologues. I know they do not like to hear the truth for the sake of their political ideology.
 
As for answering to your party talking-points: Republicans are party of rich, and Democrats are party for poor, I will refer you to the Lincoln quotes below.
 
Thank you so much for facilitating me to vent myself. I feel much better now.
 
Jiten Roy
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"Sometime ignorant people can make a change also, and when they do, it isn't good" - Rush Limbaugh
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"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."
--Abraham Lincoln

From: Jaffor <http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jaffor@gmail.com>

Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: November Election: Disappointing News for Rush Limbaugh Fans
To: http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, September 9, 2012, 10:32 PM
 
I am beginning to doubt the veracity of Abe Lincoln's comment which was posted in another thread by a blind supporter of Rush Limbaugh. I fully agree with Farida Majid on Ronald Reagan. Reagan maybe a hero to millions of illiterate Americans but beneath his Hollywood demeanor he was a dimwitted politician. He made deals with Iran's Khomeini begging them not to release the American Embassy hostages before Nov 1980 election. He intentionally jacked up the interest to 12-14% so that his rich Southern California friends can loan the U.S. Federal government the money to cover the deficit. He blamed the Democrats for expanding the government and he promised to American voters that if he is elected, he will shrink the government but look what he did. He made the government big, infused money into Pentagon, and consequently ballooning the Federal budget. Of course, Reagan's rich friends were there to loan the money to the government because they purchased those bonds getting 12-14% return annually. How clever of Reagan to help out his rich friends!!! Republican Party is for the upper income people. I hope this Rush Limbaughite in this forum is a rich guy rubbing shoulder with Bush, Romney, etc. He is more Royal than the King and more Pious than the Pope. Is he not the same person who predicted the demise of Obama candidacy in 2008 in this forum? Talk about the shame? This headless Republican lover has none. --- In http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mukto-mona%40yahoogroups.com, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote: > > You are entitled to have your views, Dr. Das. >   > I think greed is the mother's milk of success. But, you cannot have success all the time; some greed can bring failure.  That's normal.  No risk - no gain. > >   > Jiten Roy >   > --- On Sun, 9/9/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@...> wrote: > > > From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@...> > Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] November Election: Disappointing News for Rush Limbaugh Fans > To: http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mukto-mona%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 9, 2012, 8:30 PM > > > >   > > > > Duty of the state is to control the greed of the rich, not to encourage it.  Their is no point in quoting Lincoln.  He might have been a civil war hero.  He was not much of anything else. > > > On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote: > > >   > > > > > > > > >  “Sometimes ignorant people can make a change also, and when they do, it isn’t goodâ€�  â€" Rush Limbaugh > "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." > --Abraham Lincoln > > --- On Sat, 9/8/12, Jaffor <jaffor@...> wrote: > > > From: Jaffor <jaffor@...> > Subject: [mukto-mona] November Election: Disappointing News for Rush Limbaugh Fans > To: http://us.mc1427.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mukto-mona%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 8, 2012, 11:19 PM > > > > >   > > > The U.S. presidential election is less than 60 days from now. Both the Tampa and Charlotte conventions are history now. In a new Reuters/Ipsos poll released today (September 8, 2012) Obama-Biden ticket is gaining popularity among American voters despite a disappointing job growth stat published a day ago. A majority of American voters now agree that the job growth will be anemic going forward notwithstanding an economic meltdown brought on by George W. Bush's presidency in 2008. The tax code favored by Republicans since 2000 has helped the greedy rich at the expense of the middle class and poor folks. Americans are now cognizance of this truth and they don't want to put a Wall Street vulture by the name Mitt Romney to the White House.  This is the same guy who does not want to pay a fair tax. Some even say he is a tax dodger. > In my view, as election time nears, more and more American voters of independent streak would side with the Democrats and will defeat the God-fearing Republicans. In this day and age of fast Internet, it is becoming very difficult to engage in disinformation and misinformation campaign. The fact-Check folks are ever alert now telling the media who is spreading lies and dirt. > In 2008, a small but vocal minority of Mukto-Mona forum opposed the candidacy of Obama by falsely thinking that Obama was a closet Muslim.  Obama's middle name gave them a jolt. One of the M-M forum-goers even made some boastful comment to the effect that his American friends in New York City have told him that a black man is unelectable for the highest political position. How wrong was he? > I am very surprised that these folks are very quiet these days. One of them is however very critical of Michelle Obama. > Incidentally, Mrs. Obama is the most radical First Lady this nation had ever witnessed. She took a shovel and helped dig the dirt in the backyard of White House with the help of kids and turned a small plot into a beautiful community garden. > All the other first ladies of last thirty years such as Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, Hillary Clinton, Laura Bush, etc. were all dolled up never venturing out in the backyard of White House. But Michelle Obama is a different breed who dance to hear own tune. She is pushing for changing the food habits of grade school students. Her initiatives to feed the students more vegetables and fruits have been hailed by many nutritionists. Thus, she has a vision for America. Contrast this, if you will, with the demeanor of Anne Romney whose hobby is dressage (an equestrian sport of yesteryears). There is no comparison between Michelle Obama and Anne Romney, really. They exist in different realm!  One is a working mother and the other is a sheltered rich housewife. One is a visionary like her husband and the other is a dull housewife. > I think since it is the season of presidential politics in America, Mukto-Mona forum-goers should discuss endlessly who they support and why they support one candidate over the other. > All the poll results thus far indicate that Obama may beat Romney but there is no guarantee.  Political wind may change very fast.  Debate performance, economic data, etc. may have a profound impact on election results.  Therefore, do not pay much attention to what I write here.  Give your opinion and make this forum rich with your erudite remarks. >





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