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RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda



Mr. Jiten Roy,


Damage has already done by 'Bharotbondhu' Sheikh Hasina by her recent comment about the power of Ma Durga. Hasina still stands on her comment and did not withdraw that comment. She  might still believs in the power of Ma Durga(/) .Let the  people of Bangladesh decide  her faith in coming election. Surely she will be out of power no power like Ma Durga nor supporter like Jiten's, Guho's can save her from imminant defeat. Power is  in the hands of Allah Rabbul Alamin not in the hands of Hasina's Ma Durga definitely.
 
 
 
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:04:03 -0700 (PDT)

 

It is unfortunate that the people of Bangladesh got such a vacuous leader, like Khaleda Zia, in the opposition party. She is not only illiterate, she is also immature. How can a leader use such a cheap political shot? It is really unthinkable to imagine that such a person could be the Prime Minister of a country. People around her, such as, Mohiuddin and others, who are trying to promote this garbage through this forum, will be Ministers, if Khaleda becomes Prime Minister someday. Can you think about the plights of religious minorities at that time?

 

After 2001 election, when Khaleda was prime minister and thousands of religious minorities were being brutalized, she was telling the world that perfect religious harmony existed in Bangladesh. She could not even understand that, by doing so, she was giving open license to the perpetrators to continue brutalization of religious minorities. Religious persecution and mayhem continued unabated throughout her tenure. She must be proud of her previous record; otherwise she would not play the same card again.

 
Jiten Roy


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Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 10:17 AM

 

Mohiuddin Anwar,

Breaking News!!!!!! Whao.......Since you are so obsessed with this outragious irresponsible cheap shot from Khaleda to Hasina regarding Hasina's religion, do you honestly believe Hasina is not Muslim? JAMATI gang tried these tectics of making their opponenet as Hindu or non-muslim since early 50s and never succeded and never will as people in general reject this notion anyway. You guys can stoop to REAL LOW and use ISLAM for your petty political gain anytime. Do you think questioning ones faith in such a sarcastic way is fine in ISLAM? What a shame when a former PM stoops to this low? for GOD sake, keep politics within politics; do not mix it with religion. Besides, we all know Khaleda's practicing of religion anyway; she is a habitual drunkard. The women can not wake up before 10:00 am; how does she pray for Fazar? Anyway, sorry I should not bring those into this discussion anyway as we all are responsible for our own action to Allah. So there you have my comments....
 
BTW, who is Dhamand Mia and what is your relationship to Mulana Mannan? You never answered these questions?
 
-M.Islam 

 
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> Subject: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
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> What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
> Tue, Oct 11th, 2011 10:28 pm BdST Dial 2000 from your GP mobile for latest news
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> Sylhet, Oct 11 (bdnews24.com)—BNP chairperson Khaleda Zia has questioned about the religion of prime minister Sheikh Hasina.
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> "Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told a Durga Puja function that our Maa Durga has arrived by elephant…we want to know which religion she actually believes in," the opposition chief told a public meeting at the city's Alia Madrasa ground on Tuesday.
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> She also slated Hasina for the dropping the words 'Absolute Faith and Trust in Allah' from the constitution.
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> "Our prime minister has abolished absolute faith and trust in Allah from the constitution," the opposition leader said.
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> Islam was retained as the state religion through the 15th Amendment to the constitution. The amendment also restored secularism as one of the four main pillars of the constitution ensuring equal rights and dignity for the people of other religions.
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> bdnews24.com/sm/ost/bd/2119h
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> My comment: Interestingly Prime Minister Hasina did not withdraw her comment about Ma Durga yet , nor declared Tauba for Shirk(parting someone with Allah Rabbul Alamin).
> If her comment is true, she should explain her position to the nation. If she is secular or anything else t she must declare that for the greater interest of the republic and its people.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda



In late sixties Ayub Khan visited the little town I was being raised in. To welcome Ayub Khan and Muslim League, an artiste who came from Dhaka sang a song which went like this: "Ayub Khan zindabad, muslim league zindabad gaaio, ......." with the music (probably "khoro bayu boy bege...." stolen from a Rabindrasangeet. The irony is that by that timne Rabindrasangeet had already been banned in Pakistani government run media. Some among us may still remember that the then East Pakistani Governor Monem Khan requested DU Bengali department chairman Abdul Hye to write Rabindrasangeet. I read the news in newspapers. It created quite a bit sensation.

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda

 
Back in the first election that made Khaleda the prime minister, she used posters made in India of Annapurna Devi, upholding "Dhaner Shis" in one hand.  That was o.k. with her.  Doesn't she know, visiting Dargahs is not allowed in strict codes of Islam?  Even her dress, showing worn out fat body and navel, is forbidden in Islam

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.com> wrote:
What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
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Sylhet, Oct 11 (bdnews24.com)—BNP chairperson Khaleda Zia has questioned about the religion of prime minister Sheikh Hasina.

"Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told a Durga Puja function that our Maa Durga has arrived by elephant…we want to know which religion she actually believes in," the opposition chief told a public meeting at the city's Alia Madrasa ground on Tuesday.

She also slated Hasina for the dropping the words 'Absolute Faith and Trust in Allah' from the constitution.

"Our prime minister has abolished absolute faith and trust in Allah from the constitution," the opposition leader said.

Islam was retained as the state religion through the 15th Amendment to the constitution. The amendment also restored secularism as one of the four main pillars of the constitution ensuring equal rights and dignity for the people of other religions.

bdnews24.com/sm/ost/bd/2119h


My comment: Interestingly Prime Minister Hasina did not withdraw her comment about Ma Durga yet , nor declared   Tauba for Shirk(parting someone with Allah Rabbul Alamin).
If her comment is true, she should explain her position to the nation. If she is secular or anything else t she must declare that for the greater interest of the republic and its people.

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Re: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda



Politics has to deal with mass people, most of whom are illiterate.  Remember Badruddoza Chowdhury's 'Sabash Bangladesh' T.V. campaign?  In it he used an old tactic following Muslim League campaigning against the Unionist Party (in 1946).  A vote for B.N.P. would mean a victory for Koran and Islam, while a vote for Awami League would mean a victory for Gita and Hinduism!  Mr. Chowdury got what he deserved.  I hope Khaleda Zia also gets it in time.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:40 AM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 

"Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told a Durga Puja function that our Maa Durga has  arrived by elephant…we want to know which religion she actually believes in,"  the opposition chief told a public meeting at the city's Alia Madrasa ground on  Tuesday. 
>>>>>>>>> Khaleda Zia needs to stay out of 'Cheap shots" and populist lines for her own good. Everyone knows what faith our PM follows. Why ask this silly question?

She can talk about recent amendments in the constitution and share her ideas about it. But I hope our leaders stay out of personal attacks. It is not befitting of a former PM of a large country like BD.

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What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda     Tue, Oct 11th, 2011 10:28 pm BdST Dial 2000 from your GP mobile for latest news              Sylhet, Oct 11 (bdnews24.com)—BNP chairperson Khaleda Zia has questioned about  the religion of prime minister Sheikh Hasina.   "Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told a Durga Puja function that our Maa Durga has  arrived by elephant…we want to know which religion she actually believes in,"  the opposition chief told a public meeting at the city's Alia Madrasa ground on  Tuesday.   She also slated Hasina for the dropping the words 'Absolute Faith and Trust in  Allah' from the constitution.   "Our prime minister has abolished absolute faith and trust in Allah from the  constitution," the opposition leader said.   Islam was retained as the state religion through the 15th Amendment to the  constitution. The amendment also restored secularism as one of the four main  pillars of the constitution ensuring equal rights and dignity for the people of  other religions.   bdnews24.com/sm/ost/bd/2119h      My comment: Interestingly Prime Minister Hasina did not withdraw her comment  about Ma Durga yet , nor declared   Tauba for Shirk(parting someone with Allah  Rabbul Alamin). If her comment is true, she should explain her position to the nation. If she is  secular or anything else t she must declare that for the greater interest of the  republic and its people.  ____________________________________________________________ 2550% Penny Stock Gains? Our last pick exploded 2550% - Join our newsletter for free picks! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4e949db222704c5c4c9st04duc   ------------------------------------  **************************************************** Mukto Mona plans for a Grand Darwin Day Celebration:   Call For Articles:  http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=68  http://mukto-mona.com/banga_blog/?p=585  ****************************************************  VISIT MUKTO-MONA WEB-SITE : http://www.mukto-mona.com/   ****************************************************  "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say  it".                 -Beatrice Hall [pseudonym: S.G. Tallentyre], 190Yahoo! Groups  Links  <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/  <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional  <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/join     (Yahoo! ID required)  <*> To change settings via email:     mukto-mona-digest@yahoogroups.com      mukto-mona-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com  <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     mukto-mona-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com  <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/  




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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN



Unification would be too much to ask for right now although that does not seem to be an impossible proposition given the fact that all these countries in the subcontinent share a common legacy. In sixties Bhutto (had already left Ayub Khan and was an aspiring leader of Pakistan) during his visit to the then East Pakistan told the prominent East Pakistani student leaders that solution of the Kashmir problem would be possible only under an Indian confederation. Very bold idea indeed! The idea is thought provoking.  

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:16 PM
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Allama Mashraqi's grandson is clearly proud of his grandfather's position on the partition of India in 1947. However, he and intellectuals like him need to objectively look at all the filthy water that has passed through the Indus and the Ganges over the last 64 years. Just shunning the mistakes and misfortunes of 1947 would be too much of living in the past. They need to look at the realities of today and the foreseeable future.
 
To me, the sub-continent overall would be much worse-off if the three parts were to just unite to one country today. Here are some realities:
 
In Pakistan , the school-children in their regular school curricula learn hatred against non-Muslims, especially against the Hindus. They are clearly not ready to live in harmony in a multi-religious and multi-ethnic environment. They and their recent past generations need to be seriously re-educated in order to unite with India .
 
In Bangladesh , "If Awami League wins the election, Azan will be replaced by Ulu-dhwani" was a slogan in 2001 for BNP to win the national election with a two-thirds majority. If the voters had a sense of decency, they would have taken it as an insult by realizing that an honorable nation can not insult a minority group (the Hindus, who utter Ulu-dhwani during their religious rituals). While Bangladeshis are overall better than Pakistanis, they are also not ready to unite with a secular India .
 
Of course, then there are the Presidents and Prime Ministers and the other dignitaries, whose positions would be lost if a re-unification were to happen. They are not likely to support the act (re-unification) that causes the loss of their personal powers and visibilities in the world.
 
Thus, I see this talk of the sub-continent's reunification as too premature, and worth no more than just showing respect to the leaders of the sub-continent that were against the partition in 1947. This is looking at the past only. To look at the future positively, the re-unification proponents need to promote secularism and human dignity everywhere in the sub-continent.
 
Personally, to me, there is hardly any difference between many countries and one country, as long as all parts of the sub-continent respect the dignities and rights of all their people. Just look at the European Union and the NATO, for two good (but not necessarily perfect) examples.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
 
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http://www.allamamashraqi.com/images/Lessons_from_India_s_Partition_for_web.pdf

 

 






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[mukto-mona] Khaleda's remark unfortunate--comment is partisan and unbalanced



We do not understand why Mahfuz sahib takes a partisan position. It is simplistic to say it is people’s demand. It was not in the manifesto of any party outside the Awami League alliance. He has failed to see that this trial after 40 years is politically motivated. The court procedure of the tribunal is not of international standard and the judges are alleged to be partisan. The charges are all un-specific as seen in the charge against Sayeedi sahib. Most of the accused have been kept in detention for more than a year without charge.

To link up trial of killings of rakkhi bahini or of demand to try first the people of Awami League connected with 71 events or demand by others to try also killers of large numbers of Biharis in 71 is not something which should provoke such reaction from an editor.

Mahfuz sahib should have been more balanced.

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=206334

 

COMMENTARY
War Crimes Trial

Khaleda's remark unfortunate

Political rhetoric knows no bounds in Bangladesh. Our leaders say practically anything they feel like regardless of any respect for either facts or personal reputation. Because of the preposterous nature of their remarks we usually do not pay much attention to them.

There was, however, one point that Khaleda Zia made in her speech in Sylhet last Tuesday, while referring to the war crimes trial, which we felt needed to be responded to. She said if the war crimes trial is to be held then the trial for atrocities committed by Rakkhi Bahini during the early days of our independence must also be held.

Earlier, on various occasions, she made numerous remarks about the war crimes trial, questioning its standard, fairness, and practices. At one stage she even said there were many war criminals within Awami League who must also be tried.

However, her latest remark is in a class of its own, and we as freedom fighters must all react. What does Khaleda Zia mean when she says if the war crimes trial is to be held then the trial for atrocities committed by Rakkhi Bahini must also be held? First, some very general questions: Why should a trial relating to one atrocity be linked with another? Why does one have to be linked to another except to stop the one that is already in the process? Since when does the reckoning of one crime have to be linked to another? Second, without questioning the veracity of her claim, we can ask: are the two crimes comparable? Is it her view that the wholesale slaughter of our people, the crimes against humanity, the murder of hundreds and thousands of innocent men, women and children, the rape of thousands of women, the plunder and destruction of millions of homes, the genocidal activities that triggered one of the largest refugee influxes in the post Second World War era, and the slaughter of our intellectuals are comparable to what Rakkhi Bahini did during the few years of its existence? Even if we admit, for argument's sake, that Rakkhi Bahini committed unspeakable crimes, can that be comparable to the genocide against our people?

We strongly feel that Khaleda Zia has made light of the atrocities of 1971 by equating them with the activities of Rakkhi Bahini. It is extremely disturbing that the fundamental facts of our hard won independence are made a mockery of by such comparisons. We have not forgotten that there was a time when even mentioning atrocities committed against our people was not permitted. We had to say "Hanadar Bahini" and not "Pakistan Army" in identifying those who wanted to obliterate us as a people and as a culture.

Khaleda Zia has every right to ask for the trial for all atrocities committed in the past and we support her demand for an investigation into and trial for crimes committed by Rakkhi Bahini. But when she makes the much coveted war crimes trial conditional on a trial for Rakkhi Bahini crimes then we have no option but to raise high our voice of protest. There are many dark spots in our chequered history, and all such instances should be investigated. The secret trial and death sentences of many army officers during the regime of Ziaur Rahman should also be looked into.

Our problem lies in the fact that each side demands justice only in the case of those instances that it supports politically, totally overlooking instances of atrocities of serious magnitude just because those do not suit our special view of history.

With all our partisan politics notwithstanding, we expect that at least our Liberation War will be a part of our history that all political parties, except of course Jamaat, will not only accept but feel most proud of. The sacrifices of our people for our independence are a matter that we must hold close to our hearts, and that must be shouted from rooftops with the greatest of pride.

Khaleda Zia must understand that the war crimes trial is not an Awami League demand. It is a people's demand which Awami League articulated and worked to bring about. The people of Bangladesh have waited for long 38 years to see it take place. It is not just a fact of punishing a few people who worked against our independence and participated in genocide against us. Its significance is far deeper. This trial is a debt we owe as a nation to the millions of our martyrs. Bringing people, who tried to subvert the birth of our state, to justice is a part of the very struggle that brought us freedom. There is no vengeance here but only justice. This is an effort to establish the truth these people and their supporters have tried to deny for the last four decades.

It will be our ardent hope that the leader of the opposition will rethink her position on the war crimes trial and lend her support to what the people desire, and that she will not belittle either our history or our source of national pride by bringing in comparisons that are neither justified nor desirable.

 



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RE: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda



It is unfortunate that the people of Bangladesh got such a vacuous leader, like Khaleda Zia, in the opposition party. She is not only illiterate, she is also immature. How can a leader use such a cheap political shot? It is really unthinkable to imagine that such a person could be the Prime Minister of a country. People around her, such as, Mohiuddin and others, who are trying to promote this garbage through this forum, will be Ministers, if Khaleda becomes Prime Minister someday. Can you think about the plights of religious minorities at that time?

 

After 2001 election, when Khaleda was prime minister and thousands of religious minorities were being brutalized, she was telling the world that perfect religious harmony existed in Bangladesh. She could not even understand that, by doing so, she was giving open license to the perpetrators to continue brutalization of religious minorities. Religious persecution and mayhem continued unabated throughout her tenure. She must be proud of her previous record; otherwise she would not play the same card again.

 
Jiten Roy


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Mohiuddin Anwar,

Breaking News!!!!!! Whao.......Since you are so obsessed with this outragious irresponsible cheap shot from Khaleda to Hasina regarding Hasina's religion, do you honestly believe Hasina is not Muslim? JAMATI gang tried these tectics of making their opponenet as Hindu or non-muslim since early 50s and never succeded and never will as people in general reject this notion anyway. You guys can stoop to REAL LOW and use ISLAM for your petty political gain anytime. Do you think questioning ones faith in such a sarcastic way is fine in ISLAM? What a shame when a former PM stoops to this low? for GOD sake, keep politics within politics; do not mix it with religion. Besides, we all know Khaleda's practicing of religion anyway; she is a habitual drunkard. The women can not wake up before 10:00 am; how does she pray for Fazar? Anyway, sorry I should not bring those into this discussion anyway as we all are responsible for our own action to Allah. So there you have my comments....
 
BTW, who is Dhamand Mia and what is your relationship to Mulana Mannan? You never answered these questions?
 
-M.Islam 

 
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> What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda
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> "Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told a Durga Puja function that our Maa Durga has arrived by elephant…we want to know which religion she actually believes in," the opposition chief told a public meeting at the city's Alia Madrasa ground on Tuesday.
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> She also slated Hasina for the dropping the words 'Absolute Faith and Trust in Allah' from the constitution.
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> "Our prime minister has abolished absolute faith and trust in Allah from the constitution," the opposition leader said.
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> Islam was retained as the state religion through the 15th Amendment to the constitution. The amendment also restored secularism as one of the four main pillars of the constitution ensuring equal rights and dignity for the people of other religions.
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> My comment: Interestingly Prime Minister Hasina did not withdraw her comment about Ma Durga yet , nor declared Tauba for Shirk(parting someone with Allah Rabbul Alamin).
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[ALOCHONA] Jalal Alamgir - Eight Beheadings on Justice Square



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My take on the beheadings of Bangladeshi migrant workers...
 
Regards,
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Eight Beheadings on Justice Square

Jalal Alamgir

Huffington Post

Posted: 10/11/11

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jalal-alamgir/saudi-arabia-executions_b_1002199.html

 

About the Author

Jalal Alamgir is Associate Professor of Political Science, University of Massachusetts Boston.

 

It's Friday, the holy day of the week. The Kingdom's law enforcers gather up eight Bangladeshi migrant workers from their prison cells and bring them to Justice Square in the capital, Riyadh.

 

Blindfolded, they are led to the center of the square, and made to kneel down. A small crowd forms in anticipation. At 9 am, a robed man walks up and slowly raises a sword, four feet long and shining. Ambulances wait, stretchers ready.

 

The sword sweeps down.

 

The sleek expanse of Justice Square is patterned with beautiful granite. There is no stage, no unnecessary equipment, no fanfare. Underneath runs an efficient drainage system, with a receptacle the size of a pizza box at the center.

 

Regardless, the head often rolls in unexpected directions. It's collected and laid alongside the body before being taken away on stretchers. Some of the blood spilled on the granite drains quickly, and the rest is hosed down. Those spraying the water are themselves migrant workers.

 

This is justice, square and fair in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, one of the most backward regimes in the world. Here, hands are chopped, bodies are decapitated. Torture is common in extracting confessions. The accused have little protection.

 

And racism is stark: Arabs get away with a lot more than dark-skinned migrant laborers do.

 

The Kingdom, in general, is used to getting away with its practices. Besides oil wealth, two special relationships allow it such liberties.

 

First, by virtue of Mecca, it extracts loyalty from Muslims worldwide, from whom it demands adherence to a dangerously conservative Wahhabi interpretation of Islam.

 

Alongside, it cultivates close ties with the world's superpower. It exports oil, imports defense equipment, gives out lucrative contracts, and finances the US national debt.

 

The eight Bangladeshis who were beheaded publicly on October 7th were guilty of armed robbery at a warehouse and assault on its Egyptian guard, who later died. Once their confessions were recorded, the legal outcome was a foregone conclusion. After all, this is a kingdom where, as Human Rights Watch put it, "neither criminal nor personal status law is codified, and judges...rely on vague, thousand-year-old interpretations of un-codified Islamic law."

 

Appeals for clemency from many, including the President of Bangladesh, could not save the workers from execution. Their fate was sealed.

 

It was sealed first by that thousand-year-old medieval idea of justice: eye for an eye, a philosophy popular also in America, the only industrialized democracy that still exercises the death penalty. Bangladesh itself allows capital punishment, so the president's arguments could not be rested on moral grounds any different.

 

Their fate was also sealed by their social status. Migrant workers are the lowest rung in the Saudi caste system. They do the least desirable and most hazardous jobs; they have virtually no rights; they are abused verbally, physically, and sexually; their benefits policies are dismal --they are essentially modern-day slaves.

 

Their fate was sealed also by the Saudi practice to keep workers terrorized under a constant state of pressure. The Kingdom browbeats poorer governments if they advocate better treatment of their émigrés. Disputes between migrant workers and Arab bosses can result in wholesale persecution of a community.

 

Two years ago Saudi Arabia, annoyed with the conduct of some unruly overworked laborers, meted out collective punishment by stopping the intake of Bangladeshi workers. It took a lengthy series of pleas, assurances and sweet-talk from the Bangladeshi government to get the Saudis to withdraw the ban.

 

The Kingdom, buttressed by its special relationships, does not waste any opportunity to show who the boss is. A public execution is just such an opportunity. The beheading of the eight was a shameful shock-and-awe tactic, a warning to the millions of other workers to remain submissive, however back-breaking their life may be. The message is clear: obey, and keep your head.



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Re: [mukto-mona] Breakling News: What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda



"Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told a Durga Puja function that our Maa Durga has  arrived by elephant…we want to know which religion she actually believes in,"  the opposition chief told a public meeting at the city's Alia Madrasa ground on  Tuesday. 
>>>>>>>>> Khaleda Zia needs to stay out of 'Cheap shots" and populist lines for her own good. Everyone knows what faith our PM follows. Why ask this silly question?

She can talk about recent amendments in the constitution and share her ideas about it. But I hope our leaders stay out of personal attacks. It is not befitting of a former PM of a large country like BD.

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What's PM's faith? Asks Khaleda     Tue, Oct 11th, 2011 10:28 pm BdST Dial 2000 from your GP mobile for latest news              Sylhet, Oct 11 (bdnews24.com)—BNP chairperson Khaleda Zia has questioned about  the religion of prime minister Sheikh Hasina.   "Prime minister Sheikh Hasina told a Durga Puja function that our Maa Durga has  arrived by elephant…we want to know which religion she actually believes in,"  the opposition chief told a public meeting at the city's Alia Madrasa ground on  Tuesday.   She also slated Hasina for the dropping the words 'Absolute Faith and Trust in  Allah' from the constitution.   "Our prime minister has abolished absolute faith and trust in Allah from the  constitution," the opposition leader said.   Islam was retained as the state religion through the 15th Amendment to the  constitution. The amendment also restored secularism as one of the four main  pillars of the constitution ensuring equal rights and dignity for the people of  other religions.   bdnews24.com/sm/ost/bd/2119h      My comment: Interestingly Prime Minister Hasina did not withdraw her comment  about Ma Durga yet , nor declared   Tauba for Shirk(parting someone with Allah  Rabbul Alamin). If her comment is true, she should explain her position to the nation. If she is  secular or anything else t she must declare that for the greater interest of the  republic and its people.  ____________________________________________________________ 2550% Penny Stock Gains? Our last pick exploded 2550% - Join our newsletter for free picks! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4e949db222704c5c4c9st04duc   ------------------------------------  **************************************************** Mukto Mona plans for a Grand Darwin Day Celebration:   Call For Articles:  http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=68  http://mukto-mona.com/banga_blog/?p=585  ****************************************************  VISIT MUKTO-MONA WEB-SITE : http://www.mukto-mona.com/   ****************************************************  "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say  it".                 -Beatrice Hall [pseudonym: S.G. Tallentyre], 190Yahoo! Groups  Links  <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/  <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional  <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/join     (Yahoo! ID required)  <*> To change settings via email:     mukto-mona-digest@yahoogroups.com      mukto-mona-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com  <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     mukto-mona-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com  <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/  


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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN



Pakistan was created as an Islamic crescent around the Soviet Union, also to thwart the rise of Indian Nationalism.  The crescent turned into a 'crescent of troubles' as dubbed by Zbignew Brezinski.

>>>>>>>> I am not exactly a fan of Pakistan for many reasons. But we should stay factual on important issues. Brezinski was in charge of foreign policies during Carter and relationship with Pakistan was "Very warm" during that time and the decade followed it ( Under Ronald Regan). In fact CIA, ISI, Mosad and Saudi government worked as a team to spawn Taliban around that time.
[ Source:Charlie Wilson's War: The Extraordinary Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History ]



It is convenient for Brezinski to distant himself from Pakistan but most of the problems Pakistan faces are created by the US state department. Regan even invited the Taleban leaders ( Known as Mujahideen back in the 80's) to the White house and compared them with the founding fathers of America. Most of the "Trouble" was inserted by players outside of Pakistan.

In Bangla we say, " Kheya par hole majhi shala.." [ Which roughly means after using someone you point fingers at them]

It was also created to compensate the Islamic world against the creation of Israel, so wrote A. J. Moore in his 'Escape from the Empire'  Now that the land has become an epicenter of militant Islam, is the West planning to split the land into different nations? 

>>>>>>>>>>  Creation of Israel was a work in progress for long time and partition of Sub-continent happened all of a sudden. The partition was mostly a domestic issue but Israel was an international issue and still remains that way. People who are unaware with these subjects may accept it as such but that is not the case at all. The Zionist movement was a political movement which took a religious tone sometime after the initiation. Now it is well known to be overtly racist towards non-Jewish native population.

Now Pakistan became an "Epicenter" of violence in the name of Islam. I totally agree. However if we read the narrative without related background, we may end up with a misunderstanding the whole situation. In fact an American academic Akbar Ahmed wrote a great deal about transitions of Pakistan. Which was not a well planned but merely a product of time. When the time expired and it suffered an identity crisis, we broke away from it. Because we could not identify with goals of Pakistan anymore.

Islam Under Siege: Living Dangerously in a Post- Honor World (Themes for the 21st Century Series


Jinnah, Pakistan and Islamic Identity: The Search for Saladin



Pakistan was exploited by many nations. It was also supported immorally by certain nations, we all remember OUR story of 1971 and how many "Pro-democratic" countries were willing to help us out. Even in our darkest hours we were merely pawns of Global "Cold war". Pakistan had solid backing from the very people who are picking it apart. The same way Saddam was used and then taken apart.

Now "Pundits" are saying a lots of things because they "Talk" to make a living. Today Pakistan is the bad guy and tomorrow it may turn out to be the best "Friend".

If you do a dispassionate analysis there are very few similarities between Israel and Pakistan. Despite "Unique" situation Israel faces, it has global support from "Friends of Israel". Pakistan on the other hand is a puppet and cannot even plan it's own future.

The so called "Islamic" world did not even exist during creation of Israel. Until very recently Islamic countries (With majority Muslim population) failed to address Palestinian human rights abuses unitedly. So the "Islamic world" is still a "work in progress" and consists of mostly former colonies of western nations ( Except few countries like Saudi Arabia). It will take few more years before most Islamic countries can work effectively. Muslim Bengalis know that, except few countries most "Muslim" countries failed to even speak on our behalf. So the premises of the statement is flawed and misleading. It gives too much credit to Muslims countries and I don't feel credit can be given to most Muslim countries for the things they have done during 1948. ( Which is next to nothing!)

Shalom!




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Pakistan was created as an Islamic crescent around the Soviet Union, also to thwart the rise of Indian Nationalism.  The crescent turned into a 'crescent of troubles' as dubbed by Zbignew Brezinski.  It was also created to compensate the Islamic world against the creation of Israel, so wrote A. J. Moore in his 'Escape from the Empire'  Now that the land has become an epicenter of militant Islam, is the West planning to split the land into different nations? 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

 

Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:26:20 +0100
Subject: THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN



I would like to share this review of a book that my friend, Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed, had been working on for many years. I have not read it yet, but I know it is an important book that attempts at uncluttering the understanding of the pain and disaster of Partition. Away from Punjab, on the Eastern front, it may even help us understand the 'conspiracy' of the War Criminals of 1971 that we are finding so onerous to prosecute in Bangladesh. Thank you Ishtiaq, and congratulations!
 
<< There is yet another book added to the long list dealing with the Partition of the subcontinent. But this book is different. Entitled Punjab Bloodied, Partitioned and Cleansed, it is written by Mr. Ishtiaq Ahmed, a Pakistani based in Sweden. Mr. Ahmed is a professor of political science at the Stockholm University. He spent 15 years of research to write this book. The long endeavor is visible in the book. The result is rewarding. >>
 
The Partition and Today's Pakistan
By Rajinder Puri


Please click here or copy & paste the link given below to view it.
http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=11524

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