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Thursday, June 7, 2012

[mukto-mona] Fw: [Bangladesh-Zindabad] SUCCESSFUL GOVT. , PRAGMATIC BUDGET !!!!!!!


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Re: [mukto-mona] ‘ঢাকার সায় ছাড়া টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ হবে না’ !!!!!



Mr. Q. Rahman raised the following issues with India: 

Border dispute

Water sharing dispute

Commerce inequality

Visa difficulty

 

All these accusations tell me that - India does not consider Bangladesh as a friendly country. How did that happen? That's the question I am asking, and you have not addressed that point at all.

 

As you know, even a pro-Indian government cannot improve relationship with India without peoples' mandate, and that is, unfortunately, not there for India. BNP/Jamat is taking political advantage of it against Awami league (AL). People are afraid of India. How did that happen? India did not create this perception. It did not occur because of those broken promises from India. Is it? It happened due to sustained brain-washing for ages. We need to address that issue before anything else. Don't you think so?

 

Previous experiences show that - India gains more from an anti-Indian government in power. They give away much more to please India.

 

The fact is - AL is pro-Indian only superficially. You conduct a poll in the country; you will find that most AL supporters are just as paranoid about India as any other anti-India political party supporters. Privately, most people think India is out to punish Bangladesh.

 

Mr. (fair-and-balanced) Q. Rahman is impressed with Chinese government's generosity even though Chinese rifles killed most of our Mukti-jodhas, while Chinese government enjoyed a long slumber during the liberation war. Now, Chinese government needs allies in this region against India. That's why their generosity is pouring over in Bangladesh as well as in Pakistan. Khaleda Zia is also in favor of establishing friendship with China and Bhutan.

 

May be we should just forget the history and current affairs. Instead, keep wondering - why India is breaking all those past promises. 

 

Jiten Roy 

--- On Thu, 6/7/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:


From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'ঢাকার সায় ছাড়া টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ হবে না' !!!!!
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 11:50 AM

 
Member Roy made some good points here.

At the same time there should be some standards for state level dealings. For example during Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, it was surely a friendly country to India BUT India did not returned/settled the land locked area (Chitmahals) with Bangladesh. Bangladesh handed over those right away after our independence. After FORTY long years, we have NOTHING in return.

Another example is our water sharing condition. Regardless of relationship status, we were NEVER an enemy country to India and international water source cannot be blocked by any one country costing another to desertification. Now India is actively protesting against China for what it has been doing to us since Farakka. This is the "Mother of all problems" with India and mother India is taking forever to address this BIG concern in a fair manner.

I have spoken about killing of unarmed civilians over petty crimes. You do not kill people for stealing a loaf of bread!! India can lock people up if they cross border without VISA (Indians do that frequently as well) but killing in a peaceful border is unwanted.

Another example is broken promises by India leadership. They have worked actively to block BD products in their country. Leading companies repeatedly complained how Indian customs harass our very small export industry in India. This cannot happen without government sponsorship.

The best way to improve relationship is to have people to people contact. Getting Indian visa now a days became a irritating exercise for most people.

Similarly we buy plenty of Indian products and watch India TV but our TV waves have been blocked by Indian authority. For over a decade friendly people (Who has business ties and strong friendship with Indians) repeatedly requested to allow us in Indian market but we have been blocked without any explanation. Do note that, India is not north Korea. It does allow hundreds of TV channels from all over the globe to it's audience but none from Bangladesh. If common Indians are fed hateful information about very peaceful country like Bangladesh, how the heck we sow the seeds of friendship?

Like you I used to blame our own country for such conditions. Later on I have asked around our other neighbors (I excluded Pakistan for obvious reasons and could not get anyone from Bhutan) about their perception of our neighbor India. Without failure the Sri Lankan, Nepalese, Chinese people spoke negatively about Indian policies and practices.

Awami League was in power two other times BEFORE current administration (Which is openly friendly to India) but even after meeting all most all Indian demands, we end up with next to nothing. Our primary concern is our life line WATER and India keeps putting it off.

Our people are NOT treated with dignity by Indians and any nation with any self-respect (Except new Indian-Rajakars!) cannot be pleased with such treatment. In fact, we had this issues with the the then west Pakistan and we broke out of that union!!

At personal level I get along fine with most Indians. But at state level I watch their practices with frustration. Keep Asking WHY? I strongly feel it is in best interest of India to have a GREAT trusting relationship with Bangladesh. The kind of money Indian bureaucracy spends of defense could have been saved (Because BD never posed as a threat to India) to use to help poor Indians. India plays a zero sum game with us while having a win-win attitude could have yielded optimum results for both nations.

Today we have a very India friendly administration who bent over back wards to solve all major concerns of India. Still India does not deliver!!

In 21st century when European countries are coming together and helping each other, we see India doing it's best to bad mouth us. I strongly feel Bengalis are peaceful people by nature and never posed any real threat to anyone unless provoked repeatedly (Only natural). When BAL came to power, I was hopeful for improving our relationship with India but after three years, have not seen any fundamental change (Except a trade concession with garment products). Now if you contrast that with China and how many grants (NOT loans but gifts) it gave to improve infrastructure projects for this country, you can see the HUGE difference in approach. At the end of the day, all nations should look out for each other and eventually Bangladesh will sort out it's alliances. I sincerely hope, India will be among the best partners of BD. Because it will help both the countries.

Shalom!  


-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:41 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'ঢাকার সায় ছাড়া টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ হবে না' !!!!!

 
When it comes to Bangladesh-India relationship, people refer to broken promises without analyzing the underlying causes for those broken promises. They forget that within the last 40 years' lifespan of Bangladesh, it has been mostly run by political parties that are unfriendly to India. Remnant of anti-Indian sentiment of the Pakistani-era is still fresh in the hearts and minds of vast majority people in Bangladesh. No government has taken any step to repair it. In fact, that sentiment is still a winning political strategy in Bangladesh. Every time election comes, BNP/Jamat ignites anti-Indian sentiment, and fills peoples' psyche with renewed resentment towards India. As a result, very few people actually trust India, even when it is a simple goodwill gesture, like cultural exchanges. 
 
As you know – selfless help only comes from friends, not from enemies. When Bangladeshi people cannot trust the lone country that fought alongside them for the independence of their motherland, who do you blame? If we blame anybody, it should be us, not India. You should not forget, there would be no Bangladesh without Indian help. Please don't tell me now - India did it for their own interest; I know that. That's how it works. Otherwise, why would they risk their lives and resources? I am talking about trust-deficit here.
 
Bangladesh is nowhere near to establish a friendly relationship with India because of trust deficit. Therefore, let's stop those emotional talks about big-brotherly love and broken promises, and analyze the situation critically. We need psychiatric help to repair our collective psyche, before we take any step towards normalizing relationship with India.
 
India is trying to build Tipaimukh barrage for their own interest and need. Should there be a concern for Bangladesh? The answer is YES or NO, depending on whether India considers Bangladesh as a friendly country or not. That's a conundrum even Bangladesh doesn't know how to solve, let alone India.
 
Jiten Roy

--- On Tue, 6/5/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'ঢাকার সায় ছাড়া টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ হবে না' !!!!!
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "qrahman@netscape.net" <qrahman@netscape.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 10:26 PM

 
Brother, I would not be naive to expect anything free from India or any other countries. And also, I would not wait for full delivery of all Indian promises. That is a mere stupidity and I would not hold my breath for such thing ever to occur. Let me announce loud and clear! It will be a "give and take" between the countries. If BNP and Jamat come to the power and start the same tantrum like last time, nothing will be delivered. If BNP/Jamat wants to play hard ball with Indians, they will play harder. So, please do not get excited yet. It will be their national interests vs ours. With Myanmar getting closer to Indo/US sphere, India will play the Myanmar card very effectively. It is harder to fight a larger country. But, I think, we should be able to get a fair deal from the Indians if they consider us a fair partner.
-SD 
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'ঢাকার সায় ছাড়া টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ হবে না' !!!!!

 
বাংলাদেশের সম্মতি ছাড়া বরাক নদীর টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ নির্মাণ হবে না বলে আবার আশ্বস্ত করেছে ভারত।


>>>>>>>>> India gave many such assurances to Bangladesh in last 40+ years and it's track record of keeping promises to Bangladeshis is not good. Therefore such assurances lack credibility in common people. Other reports said the whole project is not "Business viable" and parts of Indian leadership are seeking BD investment in this project. Some of the "Seven sister states" are also opposed to the whole idea.


Because of many such empty promises by Indians, India is not trusted by common folks in Bangladesh. Those who do advocate for Indians are totally detached from reality.

Having said that, I feel IF India even become sincere about Bangladesh (Specifically about water sharing and more trade), it will be a true win-win partnership for both nations. Because of very bad track record, India has to work VERY hard to earn trust back from us.

Recently our leadership gave away most of Indian demands about transit but gotten a big zero in return. Late Sheikh Mujibur Rahman gave away "Chitmahals" right after we gotten our independence but India is yet to give our "Chitmahals" to us.

There are many similar issues which prohibits us from getting excited about this good announcement. One has to stay in the country to understand feelings of common people.

I'll wait till India delivers in her promises.

Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Muhammad Ali <man1k195709@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 5:30 am
Subject: [mukto-mona] 'ঢাকার সায় ছাড়া টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ হবে না' !!!!!

 

Mon, Jun 4th, 2012 8:46 pm BdST
 
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নয়া দিল্লি থেকে

নয়া দিল্লি, জুন ০৪ (বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম)- বাংলাদেশের সম্মতি ছাড়া বরাক নদীর টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ নির্মাণ হবে না বলে আবার আশ্বস্ত করেছে ভারত।

ভারতের পানিসম্পদ সচিব ধ্রুব বিজয় সিং সোমবার নয়া দিল্লিতে বাংলাদেশি সাংবাদিকদের বলেন, "বাংলাদেশ আমাদের সঙ্গে না এলে আমরা নির্মাণের দিকে (টিপাইমুখ প্রকল্প) এগোবো না।"

ভারতের মনিপুর রাজ্যের টিপাইমুখ বহুমুখী প্রকল্প এলাকা পরিদর্শনের জন্য বাংলাদেশের প্রতিনিধি দল বর্তমানে ভারত সফর করছেন।

সিলেট সীমান্তের কাছে টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ নির্মাণ করে জলবিদ্যুৎ প্রকল্প বাস্তবায়নের পরিকল্পনা রয়েছে ভারতের। ওই বাঁধ হলে তার বিরূপ প্রভাব বাংলাদেশে পড়বে বলে পরিবেশ বিশেষজ্ঞদের আশঙ্কা। এনিয়ে বাংলাদেশে প্রতিবাদ চলছে।

বিজয় সিং বলেন, টিপাইমুখ প্রকল্পের কী কী প্রভাব বাংলাদেশের ওপর পড়তে পারে, তার সব দিক খতিয়ে দেখার জন্য সমীক্ষা শুরু করতে উভয় দেশের যৌথ নদী কমিশনের উপ-কমিটি এ মাসের শেষ দিকে বৈঠকে বসতে যাচ্ছে।

২০০ কোটি ডলারের এই প্রকল্পে অংশীদারিত্বের ভিত্তিতে বিনিয়োগের জন্য বাংলাদেশকে প্রস্তাব দিয়েছে ভারত এবং যৌথ নদী কমিশনের উপ-কমিটি অংশীদারিত্বের ভিত্তিতে বিনিয়োগের বিষয়টিও পর্যালোচনা করবে।

ভারতের সচিব বলেন, এই প্রকল্প সমস্যা সৃষ্টি করতে পারে বলে ভারতের কাছে মনে হলে অন্য কোথাও বাঁধ নির্মাণ করা হবে।

টিপাইমুখে কোনো নির্মাণ কাজ এখনো শুরু হয়নি বলেও জানান তিনি।

'টিপাইমুখ প্রকল্পের প্রস্তাব ১৯৭৪ সালে'

সাংবাদিকদের সঙ্গে মতবিনিময়ে ভারতের পানিসম্পদমন্ত্রী পবন কুমার বানসাল জানান, বাংলাদেশের পক্ষ থেকে ১৯৭৪ সালে টিপাইমুখ প্রকল্পের প্রস্তাব দেওয়া হয়েছিল।

এ সংক্রান্ত তথ্য দেখতে চাইলে তার দপ্তর থেকে ১৯৭৩ সালের নভেম্বরে যৌথ নদী কমিশনের বৈঠকের সম্মতিপত্র তুলে ধরা হয়।

তাতে লেখা হয়, "ভারত ও বাংলাদেশে বন্যার পরিপ্রেক্ষিতে বরাক বাঁধ প্রকল্প নিয়ে সমীক্ষার বিষয় বিবেচনা করছে কমিশন এবং সুপারিশ করা হচ্ছে যে, বন্যা নিয়ন্ত্রণ এবং সিলেট, কাছাড় ও এর আশপাশের এলাকার সুরক্ষায় বাংলাদেশ ও ভারতের বিশেষজ্ঞরা এই প্রকল্প পর্যালোচনা করবেন।"

ভারতে বাংলাদেশের হাইকমিশনার তারেক এ করিম সাংবাদিকদের বলেন, ১৯৭২ থেকে ১৯৮২ সাল পর্যন্ত বিষয়টি এমনই ছিল। কিন্তু ১৯৮২ সালে যখন দেখা যায়, এই প্রকল্প বাংলাদেশের জন্য ক্ষতির কারণ হতে পারে, তখন দৃশ্যপট পাল্টে যায়।

১৯৭২ থেকে ১৯৭৫ সাল পর্যন্ত যৌথ নদী কমিশনের ১৩টি বৈঠক হয়। এরপর ১৯৭৮ থেকে ১৯৮২ সাল পর্যন্ত (বিএনপি আমলে) আটটি বৈঠক, ১৯৮২ সাল থেকে ১৯৯১ সাল পর্যন্ত ১১টি বৈঠক হয়। তবে ১৯৯১ থেকে ১৯৯৬ সাল পর্যন্ত প্রতিবেশী দুই দেশের যৌথ নদী কমিশনের কোনো বৈঠক হয়নি।

১৯৯৬ থেকে ২০০১ সালে তিনবার, ২০০২ থেকে ২০০৬ সাল মেয়াদে দুইবার এবং বর্তমান সরকারের মেয়াদে একবার বৈঠকে বসেছে যৌথ নদী কমিশন।

বিদ্যুৎ

টিপাইমুখ বাঁধ প্রকল্পে ২২ হাজার হেক্টরের একটি জলাধার নির্মাণের পরিকল্পনা করা হয়েছে এবং বন্যার সময় এটা পূর্ণ করা হবে।

প্রস্তাবিত এই জলাধারে ৯০০ কোটি ঘনমিটার পানি ধারণ ক্ষমতা থাকবে, যা কাপ্তাই লেকের চেয়ে ছয় গুণ বড়।

জলশক্তি ব্যবহার করে এই প্রকল্পে দেড় হাজার মেগাওয়াট বিদ্যুৎ উৎপাদনের পরিকল্পনা নেওয়া হয়েছে।

ভারতের উচ্চ পর্যায়ের এক কূটনৈতিক সূত্রের বক্তব্য, এই প্রকল্পে বিদ্যুৎ উৎপাদন খুব বেশি লাভজনক হবে না।

পানি সেচ প্রকল্প

ভারতের পানিসম্পদ সচিব বলেন, সেচের কোনো পরিকল্পনা না থাকায় টিপাইমুখ প্রকল্পে পানি প্রত্যাহার করা হবে না।

ফুলের তলে ব্যারেজ নির্মাণের বিষয়ে জানতে চাইলে তিনি বলেন, এ ধরনের কোনো প্রকল্পও তাদের নেই।

টিপাইমুখ থেকে একশ' কিলোমিটার ভাটিতে ফুলের তলাতে ব্যারেজ নির্মিত হবে বলে কথা উঠেছে।

তিস্তা চুক্তি

ভারতের পানিসম্পদমন্ত্রী বলেন, তিস্তার পানি বণ্টন চুক্তি নিয়ে উভয় দেশের সরকারের মধ্যে রাজনৈতিক সদিচ্ছা রয়েছে এবং যত দ্রুত সম্ভব এ চুক্তি সইয়ের জন্য তারা চেষ্টা করছেন।

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Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University



Indeed, corruption is an intractable problem in Bangladesh. The country is really badly in need of a good dictator, or a team of good dictators, who would show no mercy to corruption. Of course, that dictator or group of dictators has to be honest.
 
Teachers not teaching in the classroom to force students to go to them for private tutoring is an ultimate form of corruption in a society. I am not proposing to prohibit private tutoring for the teachers. But they should teach sincerely in the classroom first, so that the children of the poor have a chance to get educated. The system should fire teachers who are absent from the classroom, and who do not teach in the classroom. If teachers are corrupt in a society, what can be expected of their students and of the society in general?
 
Of all segments of the society, teachers should be most rational, and least prone to prejudices based upon religions, ethnicities, sexes, regionalities, etc.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
The First Class First position was not anyone's personal property to give away. A decent professor does not 'give grades', he/she grades all his/her students fairly. I would not praise any professor for 'giving grades'.
 

>>>>>>>> Agreed. Today minorities are not targeted like that. However another form of discrimination is taking place in most government run institutions. That is which political party a student belongs to. In Dhaka university teachers openly support political parties and run for offices. Student politics used to be a moral force in our history but today that has been hijacked by extortionists, looters and arrogant low lives in most parts.

So in order to get good grade students have to do more than just study hard but they have to be "Nice" to their department chair and other teachers and support them in unethical practices (Like most teachers teaches at private universities beside public ones, Few fundamental research or papers etc).

Then you have political gangs hijacking the campus from genuine students. So good students do not feel motivated to aim to get selected in Dhaka University anymore. They want to either study in private universities or go abroad. Our country and people in it becomes the loser in the process.



I share the frustration of Mr. Deeldar. I feel particularly frustrated about Bangladesh because of the recent trend of school teachers not teaching sincerely in the classroom. I feel so bad when a poor illiterate man from my village tells me that educating his children without private tutors is almost impossible!

>>>>>>>> Teachers live in this country and the ecosystem discourages us to follow laws or staying honest. The system most of the time goes against honest people or people who want to live a "Value based life". Not only a poor man face greater difficulty in current system even honest middle class people are shunned by the society in most parts. Private tutors are not the primary concern rather the rampant corruptions and how corrupt people gets away with it are bad examples in front of young men and women in our country. I mentioned this before but it's worth repeating. We have to work hard to establish rule of laws and capable institutions to protect people from being oppressed. Regardless of faith background majority population suffers from current system. This is not a statement against current political leaders rather an observation of how our colonial systems sucks positive energy out of us. All major political parties participate in it and nurture it. Shalom!
 
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-----Original Message----- From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 5:30 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
If M. H. Khundkar was actually 'against producing chemists for India', as Mr. Chakrabarty has phrased, I would not call that 'a great nationalist' even with a 'but ….'. I would not even ask, 'why did he take Hindu students at all?'
 
Of course, the phrase, 'against producing chemists for India', was really to mean "against producing Hindu chemists." As I wrote earlier, Khundkar should have known better; he should have known why the Hindus migrated to India; he should have known, acknowledged, and tried to mitigate the persecution that was going on against religious minorities in Pakistan. He had no right to deny any competent Hindu student of the country admission to the department, nor did he have the right to give undue grades based upon anyone's religious identity.
 
Unlike Mr. Chakrabarty, I would not overly praise Khundkar for an isolated decent human gesture. You support a hateful system, and then provide an isolated gesture of compassion; that does not earn much praise in my book. Khundkar was like a VVIP in Pakistan with no expressed support for Bangladesh that I am aware of. He was probably important enough to the pro-Pakistan thinkers. Thus, I doubt if he was a target of the Pakistani military, or if anyone was likely to probe into who was hiding in his house. I still would probably praise him mildly for saving an innocent human being in a most dreadful environment. I am also willing to learn, if I do not know enough, about his position toward the independence of Bangladesh.
 
'Inspiring and wonderful' to giving a First Class First position to a Hindu student; really! If we were to take unfair grading based upon prejudices as normal professorial behavior, then giving a First Class First position to a Hindu student would be 'inspiring and wonderful'. Is unfair grading based upon prejudices Mr. Chakrabarty's standard?
 
The First Class First position was not anyone's personal property to give away. A decent professor does not 'give grades', he/she grades all his/her students fairly. I would not praise any professor for 'giving grades'.
 
I share the frustration of Mr. Deeldar. I feel particularly frustrated about Bangladesh because of the recent trend of school teachers not teaching sincerely in the classroom. I feel so bad when a poor illiterate man from my village tells me that educating his children without private tutors is almost impossible!
 
I also agree with Dr. Roy and Mr. Deeldar on the points of brain drain and mediocrity breeding mediocrity.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Security operatives planning to assassinate me: Asma



"History repeats itself and never forgive the wrongdoers."

Finally, I can agree with you at least on one point! People, who killed democratic leaders got their days in the court and got fair justice. Some rats are still hiding in their holes but they will face the music soon or later.  Anybody wants to repeat the same history, they should know what to expect! Good day!
-SD   
 


From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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SD,
Bangladeshis will never forget the history of slaughtering democracy by creating one party rule also won't forgive the creator and its  present day supporters
Thank God the Almighty for saving our country from one party Baksali rule. Although Baksal creator's( gunodhor) daughter trying to implement similar rule but under
different way, will also receive simlar treatment from patriotic Bangladeshis in coming days.The way Hasina is treating her opponents she will receive similar treatment
when sits in opposition Inshallah.History repeats itself and never forgive the wrongdoers.The day Hasina leaves the office will be one of the happiest day in Bangladeshi
peoples life.
MA


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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Security operatives planning to assassinate me: Asma
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 05:00:34 -0700 (PDT)

I bet our Bangladeshi opposition cadres will really find a great sanctuary among their Pakistani ISI brethren because they are made up with the same blood and souls. Why pretend that you people are some Jeffersonian democrats? Did not you, people bring truck loads of grenades from Pakistan to throw them in the public meetings and cultural functions? Are you having some specific amnesia for your old regimes of corruption and thuggery? Did not you come to power by assassinating democratically elected government? Did not you patronize people, who killed people? What makes you then? Do not insult our intelligence! We know exactly from what hole you get your water!
 
-SD
 
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

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Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 6:52 AM
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My Comment :

Did Pakistan created RAB like force to abduct and kill an opponent of the government like Bangladesh ?
Bangladesh's Human Rights activists should be aware of such threats too because government opponents aren't safer in Bangladesh too .
Gum ,Khoon , records of Bangladesh under Hasina regime aren't better than Pakistan.

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Subject: [mukto-mona] Security operatives planning to assassinate me: Asma
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 05:37:04 -0700 (PDT)

 
My comment:
What a shame! Now, these dogs are after Asma because they can't find anybody else to shoot?
-SD


Security operatives planning to assassinate me: Asma
 

 

 
 
Rights activist and former SCBA president Asma Jahangir. — Photo by AFP
LAHORE, June 5: Human rights activist and prominent lawyer Asma Jahangir has accused "high-level security authorities" of having made a plan for her assassination. But she said at a press conference here on Tuesday that "I am not afraid nor will I leave the country".
She said the trend of killing progressive intellectuals should be brought to an end. "We are not going to accept this mindset in the country at any cost."
Ms Jahangir said information about the plot to assassinate her was authentic and received from highly reliable sources.
She asked media persons not to confuse the public if she was killed because "I have no personal enmity with anyone".
She said the plan to assassinate her had not been made by any individual but by state security operators.
Ms Jahangir, who is former president of the Supreme Court Bar Association, said she had cancelled a scheduled foreign visit in the current circumstances.
"If someone knows to fight with guns, I know better to fight without guns," she said.
Replying to a question, she said the interior minister had telephoned her and deployed a Rangers squad for her security but the arrangements were not satisfactory. President Asif Ali Zardari has also discussed the matter with her.
Ms Jahangir said the Punjab government had been informed about the situation but the provincial authorities were yet to respond.
She said she would not seek an inquiry commission because she had lost trust in the practice after seeing the outcome of the commissions on Saleem Shahzad's death and the memo scandal.
Ms Jahangir said the "khaki waley" had no right to take decisions about the future of Pakistan. Only the people of the country have the right to decide about their future.
She said leaders had also been killed in other parts of the world but Pakistan was a country where leaders were assassinated and killers were never arrested.
Meanwhile, Punjab police chief Mohammad Habibur Rehman has ordered all regional, city and district police officers in the province to provide Ms Jahangir a complete security cover.
A police spokeswoman said she would be provided security at home and during her movement across the province.

http://dawn.com/2012/06/06/security-operatives-planning-to-assassinate-me-asma/
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University



"Khandkar never announced his intention to produce no more Hindus for India (sic)" does not really mean anything. Most people with such a caliber (university professor) are tactful enough to avoid making such announcements in public. Of course, Ganapati Haldar is dead; and we can not ask him how he knew that Professor Khundkar did not want to produce chemists for India. Thus, we could not be certain about Professor Khundkar's culpability, and we had to talk in terms of "if he did/said."
 
In any case, I think we have talked enough using the Khundkar name, and we have exchanged some healthy thoughts without overly vilifying Professor Khundkar. It is time to give the subject of educating people for India a rest, particularly in terms of using the Khundkar name.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:24 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Prof. Khandkar was never consistent in his manners.  He had connections on the top politicians.  He allowed a sick bed to Shaikh Shahidul Islam because he was the nephew of Bangabandhu, it is said.  He never really risked his life by giving shelter to a Hindu student.  In fact that story I am hearing for the first time.  A person who fought with rickshaw pullers for two annas every day is not expected to show such magnanimity.  Khandkar never announced his intention to produce no more Hindus for India, it was another teacher of another Department who did it.  However, education at Dacca University was less than that of international standard those days.  Only a fool could be proud of it though it was the best the land could offer.
 
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On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I would not pass any comment on Dr. Khondokar behavior because I do not know him at all. What I can understand from your writings is that he was a nationalist and showed a great deal of favor towards certain group of students. However, he was a civil teacher but could not hide his disgust about some Hindu students chose to leave the country. Since those students overwhelmingly left for India rather than US, he probably got very upset. He had no understanding why those people wanted to flee. Maybe, he wanted them to stay in the country and serve and fight for their rights? If good people just leave without giving a fight, it also put more burden to the next generations.

Now, why he saved a student from Pakistanis by risking his own life, we would never know. That might be due to his human quality that was still there with him? There are times when a monster can do good things too.

Teachers are also humans and they too posses the same qualities/attributes like many of us.
-SD
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"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Our memory fades. After 40 years it is hard to separate myths and facts from a mixture of these two. Let us assume that Dr. M. Khundakar, as the head of the department, was actually against producing chemists for India. Given the animosity between Pakistan and India, Khundakar was a great nationalist, but at the same time he was very poorly professional. Why did he take Hindu students at all? Once taken, how could he make a Hindu learn less and therby make him lesser of a chemist? During the Pakistani occupation period (March-Devcember 1971) he sheltered a brilliant Hindu student in his own home (Kamal-da might have been his classmate and hence may be able to reconfirm it). By doing this he risked his own life! Is it not intriguing that Khundakar was in the process of making a first-class-first Hindu chemist in the very Pakistan period in his own hands? Is it also not inspiring and wonderful? How a feat of professionalism be better? Is it not a wonderful piece of the untold history of our great liberation war and communal harmony as well? 
By the by I should mention from whom I heard about Dr. M. Khundakar's alleged unwillingness to produce chemists for India. He was Ganapati Haldar. He was another brilliant student and was my roommate for one year in the dorm when we were students of Dhaka college. He came of a poor family. He got involved in a politics that made him dream of changing the society. He got killed in the hands of the antiliberation forces.         
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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Well, we deserve no better than mediocrity. The worms are already planted in the brains of students and teachers. Only few might be coming out right from the system with an open mind while the rest will paying some money to the middlemen and get some mundane jobs and will carry on living happily after. I think the battle is already lost. Good and fair teachers for Bangladeshis? Why and who cares? (Sorry for my sarcasm)
-SD
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
 
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Very well said, Deeldar! 
Communality blurs one's vision to see the talent in the people belonging to a different community from theirs. This practice gives undue advantage to a preferred community over the others. Although the preferred community may gain from this practice in the short term, but the country will lose in the long run due to mediocrity, as you so justly said.  This practice encourages brain-drain, which causes irreparable damage to a country. Therefore, people who really love their county can never be communal.
You also said that talented people will always shine wherever they are. That's so true. I think communality anywhere in a country, especially in the academic institutions, is the highest form of betrayal to a country.
I taught Physics at Dhaka University for 3 years (1978 – 1981). While grading paper, my only thought used to be - if I was being fair to my students, nothing else. Never a thought of communal discrimination ever crossed through my mind during my academic tenure. I think - most of our teachers think that way also. Some Islamist-teachers may possess communality in Bangladesh. The same way, some Hindutyabadi-teachers in India may possess communality. I believe - these are exceptional cases only. It will always be there.
Jiten Roy
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--- On Fri, 6/1/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, June 1, 2012, 9:21 AM
 
"I won't be surprised if there was unwritten instruction to the department-Heads from the state authority in favor of communal discrimination."
Discrimination has been pretty rampant in schools/colleges/universities without any doubt. You can't do much about it unless strong individuals step in and do the right thing. Nobody can stop a bright student becoming whatever he or she wants to do in his/her life. But with persistent practice of discrimination, you create mediocrity in your academic institutions. The very brights will leave while mediocre students will stay and create more mediocre students. And, you can guess what happens next. If you add politics and religion into the equation, that would lower the quality even further and set the standard as garbage in garbage out mode! -SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
 
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 PMSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Physics department had very good reputation of being secular, in those days (1960s). I never had any personal experience of religious hatred from any of my Muslim teachers; instead, I only experienced their selfless love and affection. But, I heard allegation from some Hindu students about communal treatments towards them from the very same teachers. What could be the explanation for these two different treatments from the same person(s)?  This is what I also noticed – accusation always came from students after receiving not so satisfactory grades from those teachers. Therefore, when I hear this type of allegation, I think many of them may be either unfounded or mistaken interpretations of the event.
This is not to say that there was no communality in any of our teachers. In some special circumstances, it may have happened. I heard that communality may have played a role when two students, one Hindu and one Muslim, compete for the top rank (first-class-first) and their scores are too close to call. Top rank used to come with guaranteed job as a faculty or in the civil services. This was a consideration at the time of awarding the top rank during the Pakistani-era. I won't be surprised if there was unwritten instruction to the department-Heads from the state authority in favor of communal discrimination. Therefore, teachers might not have choice but to comply. Who knows...


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'ভূতের' আছর থেকে খালেদাকে মুক্ত করবো: হুদা
Wed, Jun 6th, 2012 8:09 pm BdST
 
ঢাকা, জুন ০৬ (বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম)- বিএনপির ভেতরের কিছু 'ভূত' খালেদা জিয়াকে প্রভাবিত করছে মন্তব্য করে দল থেকে সদ্য পদত্যাগী নেতা নাজমুল হুদা বলেছেন, সেই ভূত তাড়ানোর চ্যালেঞ্জ নিয়ে তিনি দল ছেড়েছেন।

বুধবার দুপুরে তোপখানা রোডে নিজের চেম্বারে সংবাদ সম্মেলন করে পদত্যাগের ঘোষণা দিয়ে তিনি বলেন, "দেশনেত্রী খালেদা জিয়াকে প্রভাবিত করছে বিএনপির অভ্যন্তরের কিছু ভূত। এই ভূতদের ম্যাডামের আশ-পাশ থেকে তাড়িয়ে তাকে সর্বাগ্রে মুক্ত করতে চাই। এই কাজটি করতে হলে দলের ভেতরে থেকে করা যাবে না, বহি®কৃত হতে হবে।

"তাই আমার কাজ হবে দলের বাইরে থেকে দলে শুদ্ধি অভিযানের মাধ্যমে নতুন রাজনীতি শুরু করা", যোগ করেন তিনি।

খালেদা জিয়া প্রধানমন্ত্রীকে সংলাপের আমন্ত্রণ না জানানোয় বিএনপি থেকে পদত্যাগ করেন ব্যরিস্টার নাজমুল হুদা।

এর আগে গত ২৩ মে সংবাদ সম্মেলন করে ৫ জুনের মধ্যে প্রধানমন্ত্রীকে সংলাপের আমন্ত্রণ জানানোর জন্য বিএনপি চেয়ারপারসন খালেদা জিয়ার কাছে অনুরোধ জানান হুদা।

দুর্নীতির অভিযোগে বিগত তত্ত্বাবধায়ক সরকারের সময়ে গ্রেপ্তার হওয়া হুদাকে ২০১০ সালে 'সংগঠনবিরোধী' বক্তব্য দেওয়ার অভিযোগে বিএনপি থেকে বহিষ্কার করেছিলেন খালেদা জিয়া। চেয়ারপার্সনের কাছে 'দুঃখ প্রকাশ' করে দলের ফেরার এক বছরের মাথায় নাজমুল হুদা এবার নিজেই দল ছাড়ার ঘোষণা দিলেন।

দলের ভেতরে 'ভূত' কারা জানতে চাইলে সাবেক এই যোগাযোগমন্ত্রী বলেন, "ওইসব ভূতদের নাম আমি বলতে চাই না। অবশ্যই শুদ্ধি অভিযানের মাধ্যমে ওইসব ভূতদের বিতাড়িত করা হবে, দলকে পরিস্কার ও জঞ্জালমুক্ত করবো।"

বিএনপি 'ভূত' মুক্ত হলে আবার দলে ফেরার প্রত্যাশাও ব্যক্ত করেন তিনি।

নতুন কোনো দল করার কথা ভাবছেন না জানিয়ে নাজমুল হুদা বলেন, তবে বিএনপির ভেতরে যারা অবহেলিত, মূল্যায়ন হয়নি, যারা অবহেলার কারণে দল ছেড়ে চলে গেছেন, তাদের সঙ্গে আলোচনা করবো। যা কিছুই করি তাদের নিয়ে করবো।

তিনি বলেন, "আমি বিএনপিকে জিয়ার লাইনে নিয়ে ফিরে আসতে চাই। আমি বিএনপিতে কোনো বিভাজন করছি না।"

দলের প্রতিষ্ঠাকালীন স্থায়ী কমিটির সদস্য হুদা বলেন, জিয়া আলোকিত ছাত্রদের সন্ধানে হিজবুল বাহার করেছিলেন, ছাত্রদের শিক্ষাঙ্গন থেকে সরিয়ে তার আশপাশের সশস্ত্র ক্যাডার করার জন্য নয়। দেশের আলোকিত মানুষদের দেশের নেতৃত্ব হিসেবে গড়ে তোলার জন্য জিয়া ছাত্র-ছাত্রীদের শিক্ষিত করতে শিক্ষাঙ্গন সন্ত্রাস মুক্ত করেছিলেন। আজ কোথায় সেই আদর্শ? শুধু টেন্ডারবাজির জন্য ছাত্র রাজনীতির নামে ইচ্ছা করে ফেল করা ছাত্রত্ব বজায় রাখা হচ্ছে।

তিনি অভিযোগ করেন, দলের কেন্দ্র থেকে তৃণমূল পর্যন্ত একে একে জিয়ার কাছের লোকদের দল থেকে দূরে সরিয়ে দেওয়া হয়েছে।

"আমি এদের সবাইকে খালেদা জিয়ার পাশে আবার জড়ো করতে চাই। তৈরি করতে চাই একটি শক্তিশালী বিএনপি", প্রত্যয় ব্যক্ত করেন নাজমুল হুদা।

এক প্রশ্নের জবাবে তিনি বলেন, "ক্ষমতা হস্তান্তরের এই আন্দোলন অসাংবিধানিক। মেয়াদের আগেই এরকম আন্দোলনের মাধ্যমে ভোটারদের ভয়ভীতি দেখিয়ে নির্বাচনের দিকে নিয়ে যাওয়া হচ্ছে। কারণ, সংবিধান অনুযায়ী পাঁচ বছর পর নির্বাচন হবে। এক বছরের মাথায় নির্বাচিত একটি সরকারকে ব্যর্থ বলছি। এটা সঠিক পথ নয়।"

হুদা আরো দাবি করেন, ১৯৮২ সালে খালেদা জিয়াকে রাজনীতিতে আনার পেছনে তৎকালীন বিএনপি মহাসচিব এ কিউ এম বদরুদ্দোজা চৌধুরীর সঙ্গে তিনিই কাজ করেছেন।

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