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Saturday, July 11, 2009

[ALOCHONA] Golam Azam & the Pakistan Lovers




Dear Moulana Ramjaan> You write, "On the other hand Golam Azam's politics for Nikhil Pakistan (for all Pakistan), for the betterment of all people of Pakistan whatever his ethnic identity". Now, please read this passage from the Pakistan's last Commissioner in Dhaka in 1971.
 

"A band of Pakistani occupation army attacked a house and killed one but all the members of the family. The only young girl of the family was kept alive for rape. The girl begged for mercy; frightened to death she cried out and said she is a Muslim woman and the soldiers are also Muslim. How come Muslim men can rape a Muslim woman? At last, as a last resort, she put the holy Koran on the bed, next to her and said, they have to step on the Koran to rape her. The bastards kicked the Koran out of the bed and group raped her...." (Mr. Alamder Raja, the last commissioner of Pakistan)
 
Dear Moulana Ramjaan, I ask you with all my humility and sincerity--Are you sure, you are a human being? You and all the other Razaakaars make my blood boil. You see, I am a pacifist--even I will ask for your head in Sarwardy Uddan!  
 
SaifDevdas
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To: khabor@yahoogroups.com; kruhul@hotmail.com
From: mramjan@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:41:42 -0400
Subject: RE: [khabor.com] Nobel prize for Hasina!



With all due respect, Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman was a sectarian politician, in his politics only Bengali were privileged not other nations of Pakistan, as an example a poor mother's of Baluchistan, or a poor old man's crying from frontier province. He has calculated his power politics , if he sought only for Bengalis he would risen so quicken to power.
 
On the other hand Golam Azam's politics for Nikhil Pakistan (for all Pakistan), for the betterment of all people of Pakistan whatever his ethnic identity.
 
So, history will proof in future who was a great leader.
 
Thanks
 
Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan
Kuwait
 

To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
From: shumonoh@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:39:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [khabor.com] Nobel prize for Hasina!



Don't forget to add the stealing of the government money of your leader with the Mig 29 and Frigate purchase. She used to take 3 crore for each of the Bank approvals. Forgot the 1986 election where she took almost 80 crore from Ershad and then left everyone including her party men in the fight against the dictator. I know a physician who wanted to set up a modern health care facility during her last tenure, she asked 5 crore for the license. 
She is a better or equally corrupt as Tareq, Koko, Tofael, Babor, Nasim and Jalil.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Captain Chowdhury <captchowdhury@yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: Captain Chowdhury <captchowdhury@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [khabor.com] Nobel prize for Hasina!
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 8:31 AM



The contribution to Nation by her father including her is enormous.Even Father has given life to some of high ambitious army personnel includuing whole family and thru Terror outfit, daughter was about to killed during Grenade blast....Great contribution to clear up all garbage...Lots of corner will cry but Madrassas needs re-organised with many many areas....
Yes, let's try to organise massive campaign for nominee towards Nobel Prize....specially WAR against TERRORISM.....developement of WOMAN and CHILD ..19096-2001 era was very calm with price control and organised a massive flood situation....Let's not make PAKI-STAN...which is a failed state....Try and make SECULAR BANGLA-STAN

--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Prof. Lutfor Rahman <lutfor@agni.com> wrote:

From: Prof. Lutfor Rahman <lutfor@agni.com>
Subject: Re: [khabor.com] Nobel prize for Hasina!
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
Received: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 12:22 PM

Dear Bangladeshi brothers
 
Criticism is encouraged in almost everywhere in the developed societies. The reason is anybody may make mistakes in his or her activities. It is true for individual as well as for a country leader. But criticisms should be in sober and acceptable language that raises the importance of the person who criticises.
 
Bangladesh is an independent country and we are the citizens of the country. We elect our Prime Minister and MPs casting our valuable votes in favour of our suitable candidates like other independent countries. Some governments become successful under the leadership of the head of the government in respective country but many countries cannot. We have achieved our independence or freedom about four decades ago - a reasonable time for shaping the country as a developed country. We have all kinds of resources to make "world wide recognized developed country". Unfortunately that was not possible, the reasons we know well. This time Sheikh Hasina's government has come to power with huge supports that indicates people have faiths on her with the expectations that Sheikh Hasina as head of the government will bring positive change through utilization of relevant technologies in all sectors. Digital Bangladesh concept was announced by HER (SHEIKH HASINA)before election that  attracted  young generation towards her.
 
I have no hesitation to say just announcement is not enough, it needs to be clarified to the common people who are still in confusion what digital Bangladesh is actually. As a senior scientist, my predition is if the present government can utilize the cocept of digital Bangladesh in real ways and real purposes like elimination of corruption from the society, overcoming traditional politics etc., Bangladesh will emerge as a developed country in a short time. In doing so Bangladesh will create an excellent example how to make a corruption free country. Not only Bangladesh but there are many countries that suffer from serious corruption. Sheikh Hasina's  government have huge positive sides to make Bangladesh a corruption free country. If opportunity comes I will surely mention the points or if needed I will explain them to interested brothers and sisters living at home or abroad. Our respected Prime Minister needs to identify the experts who can make it happen.
 
Nobel Prize is for the people who make some thing extraordinary for the  betterment of the human beings. Corruption is a serious disease even more dangerous than Cancer, if this fatal disease is removed from the society under the leadership of Sheikh Hasina, can Nobel Prize remain far from her?
 
with regards
 
Prof. Lutfor Rahman    

 
On 7/1/09, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@ gmail.com> wrote:


Friends

That is the motto of great Demo party BAAAAAAL  to harbour,shelter, nuture n support n highlight people like Babu/zonul hozori/many Hajees etc etc but talk HR,freedom of expression,press n punishment of criminal like War criminals .
What sane could be expected from the great players of HR n Demo ???????????? ????????? ?????

Faruque Alamgir

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Enam Haque <enam28@yahoo. com> wrote:


Akhteruzzaman Babu, a murderer, fugitive, and a part time politician. Fled the country during 91-96 to avoid the capital punishment for killing a businessman, got acquited by a court in chittagong during last Hasina rule. Owes millions to Nationalized banks, and now heads a parliamentary committee.
 
 

--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo. com> wrote:
 

From: Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo. com>
Subject: [khabor.com] Nobel prize for Hasina!
 
To: "Dhaka Mails" <dhakamails@yahoogro ups.com>

Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 6:26 AM

Nobel prize for Hasina!

Dhaka, June 29 (bdnews24.com)—Awami League MP Akhteruzzaman Babu has proposed that the parliament adopt a resolution urging the Nobel Committee to honour prime minister Sheikh Hasina with the Nobel prize.

"I have been in politics with her for 26 years. I think she should get the Nobel Prize," Babu said as he spoke on the proposed national budget for 2009-10 fiscal year on Monday.

The proposal was greeted with table thumping by the ruling MPs in the House being boycotted by opposition MPs since the start of the budget session.

"Let us adopt a resolution urging to award Nobel prize for Sheikh Hasina and send it (to the Nobel Committee)," Babu said just winding up his speech.

 

 




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[mukto-mona] 100 crores Defamation Case against Moeen by Ex-State Minister of Power



Dear brothers & sisters,


Greetings from the heart of Bangladesh. Be a proud Bangladeshi.


Ex-state minister of power Mr. Iqbal Hasan Tuku have filed a defamation case of 100 crores against ex-army chief Mr. Moeen U Ahmed. For detail pl follow the link below,

 

http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=3&id=89509&hb=top

 

 

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[ALOCHONA] 100 crores Defamation Case against Moeen by Ex-State Minister of Power



Dear brothers & sisters,


Greetings from the heart of Bangladesh. Be a proud Bangladeshi.


Ex-state minister of power Mr. Iqbal Hasan Tuku have filed a defamation case of 100 crores against ex-army chief Mr. Moeen U Ahmed. For detail pl follow the link below,

 

http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=3&id=89509&hb=top

 

 

Thanks & regards,
Engr M H Khan




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[ALOCHONA] Hush-hush govt approach creates confusion about Tipai dam: experts



Hush-hush govt approach creates confusion about Tipai dam: experts

It is not possible for anyone to assess the situation by going through the printed documents on such a big project

The government's hush-hush approach over information on India's Tipaimukh dam project is deepening confusion about its possible environmental impact on Bangladesh, water experts and environmentalists alleged.

Some government MPs, including the water resources minister, reportedly said that data received from India on the proposed dam are insufficient to make any assessment on its adverse bearing on the country.

Water experts however feel that Dhaka did not seek relevant data from New Delhi on the proposed dam to be built on the river Barak in the eastern Indian state of Manipur.Water resources secretary SM Wahid-uz-Zaman told New Age on Saturday that they had requested for the basic information about the project which India sent last month.

Responding to a query whether the information were sufficient to assess the dam's impact on Bangladesh, the top official of the ministry said, 'It is not possible for anyone to assess the situation by going through the printed documents on such a big project. That is why the parliamentary delegation is going to visit the site in India.

Wahid said that during the visit the Bangladesh delegation would first meet Indian water resources minister Pawan Kumar Bansal in New Delhi and afterwards visit the project area.

Officials of the foreign and water resources ministries said that India had provided some information about the dam project through Bangladesh mission in New Delhi in June.
'We've been requesting them (New Delhi) to provide us technical date on the project since early 2007. We finally got their response only last month,' said an official.

Referring to India's latest communication, a foreign ministry official told this correspondent that India has sent a document containing some data as well as maps of the project.

In a brief note, the Indian government mentioned that Tipaimukh dam project would be constructed some 210 km upstream on the river Barak off the Indo-Bangladesh border.
The proposed dam with a capacity of containing 15,000 MCM water and having a length of 165 metre is being designed to produce hydro-power.

The project aims at producing some 1,500 megawatt electricity and would not have any component for irrigation by withdrawing water from the dam.The document also mentioned that Tipaimukh hydro-electric project would reduce the danger of floods through the monsoon flow of Borak river while increase the flow of water during the dry season.

At present the river is almost non-navigable during the non-monsoon period and the project will ensure navigability of Barak, according to the Indian document, as quoted by an official.The proposed Tipaimukh dam project is said to include 12,756 sq kilometres of catchments area to preserve rain water.

Ainun Nishat, country representative of International Union of Conservation of Nature, told New Age that he was not aware of what kind of data Bangladesh had sought from India on the Tipaimukh dam project or what sort of information India provided to Bangladesh.

The environment expert opined that for evaluating any impact on a lower riparian country after the construction of such dam, Bangladesh would need to have specific technical data including operational modalities of the proposed project.

'Without having two reports—one on the environmental impact assessment and the other on operational and management plans for the proposed Tipaimukh dam—it won't be possible for giving any expert opinion on its possible impact on Bangladesh,' he added.

http://www.newagebd..com/2009/jul/12/front.html



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[ALOCHONA] Tipaimukh Dam: Blessing or peril for Bangladesh?



 
A football ground created by the Farakka barrage. What will the Tipaimukh Dam do? Photo: AH Arif / Driknews
Recently, there has been much discussion in the electronic and print media about the potential impacts of the Tipaimukh Dam on Bangladesh. The intensity of the buzz has heightened following the remarks made by the Indian high commissioner on June 21, and subsequent comments made by the water resources minister of Bangladesh. In both cases, they have assured the Bangladeshi people that not only the proposed dam will cause no harm to Bangladesh, it actually may even benefit Bangladesh.

In a live talk show organised by Voice of America (VOA), a non-resident Bangladeshi engineer, Dr. Khondakar Abu Sufian, suggested that the Tipaimukh Dam will be a blessing for Bangladesh, because it will have the potential to reduce flooding in Bangladesh by 30%, or the river-levels in Sylhet region will be reduced by 1.5 metres during rainy season. Apparently, this calculation about reduction of flooding by Tipaimukh Dam is based on a study done in 1992-94 under Flood Action Plan (FAP-6).

The opponents of the dam claim that this is a gross violation of international norms and the existing Ganges Treaty between India and Bangladesh. They also raised concerns about unilateral control of an international river by India, and think that the dam will reduce the flow in Surma-Kushiara-Meghna rivers during dry season and will increase during rainy season.

This author attempts to analyse the validity of these opposing claims by applying some basic principles of hydrology that are commonly used in such situations.

First, let's look at the promise of reduction of flow during rainy season. In order for anyone to be able to make this prediction or judgment, one will needs to have access to the water release schedule by India at Tipaimukh Dam, which is not available to anyone in Bangladesh.

One of the authors of the FAP-6 study, Dr. Ainun Nishat, pointed out in the VOA program that the Bangladeshi authorities carried out that study based on many assumptions, which may or may not be true.

In addition, the detailed project report for the Tipaimukh Dam was not prepared by India at that time or was not available to anyone in Bangladesh. The correlation between a river-level and the amount of flow in that river is called the rating curve of that river, which is prepared based on many years of flow-data and by recording corresponding river-levels (also called the stage of a river) during those flow events.

After the dam is built, only India will decide how much water they will release, and when they will release it. Therefore, without having that information about the amount of water to be released at Tipaimukh Dam, no one can predict how the river stage will change in a downstream location in Bangladesh.

So, the prediction that river stage will decline by 1.5 metres during flooding is not substantiated. The proponent of this flow reduction concept, Dr. Sufian, contradicted himself later in the VOA program by saying that "we are in complete darkness about the Tipaimukh project." Then, the question remains, what is the basis for the conclusion that Tipaimukh Dam will reduce flooding and will increase flow during dry season? Does anyone in Bangladesh have the information about the amount of water that India plans on releasing from Tipaimukh? The answer is a resounding no.

If even India promises that, they will release certain amount of water during certain periods, what guarantee is there that they will actually stick to their promise? Will Bangladesh have any written treaty or agreement on the amount released for certain time periods? If the Ganges Treaty is any indication of the reality, can Bangladesh rely on India's promise? Is the precedence there?

The past records do not support this assumption. In a recent interview with a newspaper, one of the members of the Joint River Commission, Mr. Tauhidul Anwar, revealed that Bangladesh did not receive her fair share in 9 out of the last 12 years since the treaty was signed.

The Tipaimukh Dam will have the maximum capacity to hold 15 billion cubic metres (BCM) of water, which, as per the Central Water Commission of India, accounts for about 30% of the total flow of the Barak River. This means that India will have unilateral control over 30% of the flow in an international river. In itself, this cannot be acceptable to a down riparian country (Bangladesh).

To produce electricity, India will have to release water from the dam from its highest level at 178m (when 15 BCM will be captured behind the dam) to 136m. A rough calculation indicates that, the amount of water that will be released equals to about 8 BCM. In other words, about 7 BCM of water will always be kept behind the dam to maintain enough pressure-head needed to generate electricity from the dam. This 7 BCM will be the dead storage (i.e. kept behind the dam permanently), which is equivalent to about 9,000 cusec.

In other words, if that 7 BCM was released evenly throughout the year, then it would equal to about 9,000 cusec of additional flow in the Barak River, which will eventually reach the Surma (60%) and Kushiara (40%)in the amount of 5,400 cusec and 3,600 cusec, respectively.

So, it is possible that during ordinary rainy season (unless there is a major rain event, in which case they will open all gates to secure the dam) flow in the Surma and Kushiara will be reduced by 5,400 and 3,600 cusec, respectively.

But, the same amount of reduction in dry season will have the potential to dry off these two rivers. Therefore, in view of this author the flow in summer will not increase in these rivers as suggested by Dr. Sufian. At least, Bangladesh does not have necessary data to make this judgment.

It should be noted that, the Tipaimukh Dam is being built as per Shukla Commission's recommendations. The same commission also recommended building of a diversion barrage downstream of the dam at Fulertal in Assam. For the Tipaimikh project to be economically viable, most likely, India will build the diversion project at Fulertal or at another suitable location.

The water resources minister of Bangladesh recently said that the Tipaimukh Dam can be beneficial for Bangladesh. If India and Bangladesh designed the project jointly, keeping Bangladesh's needs and demands in the plan, then probably the project could bring limited benefits to Bangladesh.

Since this is not the case, and since India did not even inform Bangladesh about the project, there is no reason to believe that India is designing this project to help Bangladesh out. This is a naive statement on the minister's part.

What is the way forward for Bangladesh? In view of this author, any project in an international river should be undertaken as a joint venture based on free flow of information from both parties involved. Bangladesh should insist on an integrated water resources management plan that keeps the interests of all stakeholders in the basin area.

We must also realise that a river-flow does not just carry water, it also carries sediments, which are essential for the growth of floodplain and delta plain in the face of rising sea level. Without the natural flow of river-water and sediments, the very survival of Bangladesh will be jeopardised in the future. All projects on rivers should incorporate a guarantee clause to ensure normal functioning of riverine eco-systems.

Md. Khalequzzaman, Ph.D., writes from Lock Haven University, US.



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[ALOCHONA] Hyundai 'faces action' over dam breach



Hyundai 'faces action' over dam breach
 
Sirajganj, July 11 (bdnews24.com)—Korea's Hyundai faces legal action after the Sirajganj town flood embankment has been breached by swelling waters long before its 100-year "guaranteed" lifetime.

Water resources minister Ramesh Chandra Sen said Saturday the Korean construction giant would be charged with failing to live up to its contractual obligations.

A top official had earlier said he suspected faults in the flood barrier's design. "Maybe there were flaws in the design or in the construction itself," said Md Abul Kalam Azad, director general of the Bangladesh Water Development Board, earlier in the day.

"The violent current of the risen Jamuna river removed the concrete blocks or sand bags under the embankment," said the WDB chief, who came under fire from his minister for his other comments on the safety of the Jamuna Bridge.

During his visit to the dam breach site, the minister told the WDB chief that the latter shouldn't have said the bridge was "at risk" from rising waters, which immediately led to screaming headlines in the media.

The 2.5-kilometre embankment, built by a Hyundai-led consortium during 1995-99, cost Tk 332 crore and was designed to protect the district town.

Since Friday morning, a 600 foot stretch of the 'hard point' of the embankment was breached at Shashan Goila Ghat, just two kilometres from the district township, as the Jamuna swelled.

Residents of Shashan Goila area, who started dismantling homes and shifting possessions to safer zones, have accused the WDB of not undertaking essential repairs of vulnerable stretches of the bund in time.

Assisted by the local administration, WDB employees and locals dumped sand filled bags and concrete blocks to reinforce the embankment and stop further wear.

Earlier Saturday morning, the water resources minister visited villages along the embankment of the Teesta river in Lalmonir Sadar and Kaliganj upazilas. He also visited the Teesta barrage site in the afternoon.

WDB additional director general Md. Habibur Rahman, local AL general secretary KS Hossain Ali was also with the minister.

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[ALOCHONA] Indo-Bangla border confce begins today:789 Bangladeshis killed by BSF in over 9 years



Indo-Bangla border confce begins today:789 Bangladeshis killed by BSF in over nine years

A top-level Indo-Bangla border conference begins in the capital's pilkhana BDR Headquarters today under the lingering shadow of mistrust created by the Indian Border Security Force's indiscriminate killings of 789 Bangladeshis in over nine years on the border violating international laws and disregarding its own pledge not to do so.

The three-day Director General (DG)-level border conference is set to deal with a number of important issues including maintaining peace and security on the border strengthening joint patrol and checking smuggling and human trafficking.

An 18-member BSF delegation, led by BSF DG ML Kumawat, will attend the conference. On the other hand, the new DG of BDR, Major General Mainul Islam, will lead the 24-member Bangladesh side at the talks- the second such meeting between the two countries after the Feb 25-26 Pilkhana tragedy."Officials from Home, Foreign and Land Ministries and the Bangladesh-India Joint River Commission and high BDR officials will also participate in the conference," according to BDR sources.

Despite holding of such bilateral meetings between the two neighbours from time to time and making of pledges therein for restraint and peace, the BSF is virtually on a killing spree on the Bangladesh border. This is evident from a report of the human rights body Odhikar which says: Between 1 January 2000 and 10 July 2009 a total of 789 people were reported killed, 846 injured and 895 abducted by the BSF. BSF carried out 59 such killings this year till 10 July 2009.

Odhikar feels that the extra-judicial killings perpetrated by the Indian Border Security Force on Bangladeshi nationals cannot be justified on any pretext, and that international laws have been totally ignored. Furthermore, many of the civilians who were killed were reportedly poor farmers who were working in their fields.

It may mentioned, in the latest incident Satkhira police on Saturday rescued two bodies of young men shot dead by Indian BSF on the border river Ichhamati. Before that three Bangladeshis were killed by BSF at Jessore border on Thursday morning. These killings took place only three days after a flag meeting of BDR-BSF was held on Monday at Rangpur border where Indian officers vowed to maintain tension-free peaceful border. In fact, in each of such meetings the Indian side pledges to stop killing Bangladeshis on the border and maintain peaceful atmosphere, but the pledge is seldom fulfilled.

According to sources, the huge loss of lives of innocent Bangladeshis in the hands of BSF has turned the oft-repeated pledges made by India for maintaining restraint and peaceful atmosphere on the Indo-Bangladesh borders into a cruel mockery. The brutal action of the BSF is in flagrant violation of international norms and detrimental to good neighbourly relations. And, it is surprising that the government of Bangladesh continues to fail in its duty to take up the matter in right earnest to put an end to the killings by BSF.

http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=273935



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[mukto-mona] Re: Moslims renouncing Islam

the following 5 things are considered Islamic

1) There is no god in Islam and Allha is the dark-matter which has two components: hu narun nurun(light upon light) ie., electromegnetic.
2) The prayer(salat) and the followings are the things we say to yourself and practice it as a form of prayer.

The path of Grace(=path of those who obtain Grace)
Not the Path of Sin(=path of those who deliberately go wrong).
Nor the Path of Error(=path of those who by mistake go astray).

The Path of Grace, i.e., the straight path is - the mean between two extremes — the path of deliberate sinners on the one hand and the path of unwitting stragglers on the other.

The mean between two extremes mean - Allah loves middle path - to be and not th be, that's the middle path.

3) Charity: give alms to the poor people who are orphan or financially incapable.
4) Fasting(Ramadan) to purify your body and soul.
5) Pilgrimage - A pilgrimage is a long journey for knowledge moral significance.

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@...> wrote:
>
> According to Fernand Braudel, Ibn Sina wondered about how Prophet Muhammad,
> the intelligent man as he was, could preach such rubbish as abounds in his
> religious literature. Then he came up with his solution:- since common man
> is usually of limited intelligence, he needs a quick answer to all problems,
> easy or difficult. He needs a God of some sort, then that God has to be
> almighty in course of time. Though he fails to control the Devil for ever,
> he needs to be worshipped. But for any intelligent person, religion is
> nonbinding. He can make his own code of life depending on the environment.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Akbar Hussain <akbar_50@...> wrote:
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> > If faith is a personal matter anyone should have the right to renounce a
> > faith.
> >
> > Akbar Hussain
> >
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> > tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com; Diagnose@yahoogroups.com;
> > ethad-e-islami@yahoogroups.com; ahlehaq@yahoogroups.com;
> > amongbelievers@yahoogroups.com; communistpartyofpakistan@yahoogroups.com;
> > Sindhpost@...
> > From: turkman@...
> > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:38:53 -0700
> > Subject: [mukto-mona] Moslims renouncing Islam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If you are right then, the question is, how come more Moslims are
> > renouncing Islam than Non Moslims converting?
> >
> > * According to a Mollaa on Al Jazirah T V, 4 million Moslims are
> > converting to Christianity every year.
> > * In Former Communist Countries tens of millions have renounced Islam
> > since 1992 and some Mosques are now being closed-down since nobody goes
> > there anymore.
> >
> > A lot of Moslims are scared to renounce Islam because they can be
> > assassinated by Moslim Extremists otherwise, there would be a lot more of
> > such people.
> > Ex-Muslims Demand Right to Renounce Islamic Faith
> >
> > [image: Dutch schoolchildren of various religions holding hands]<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524,00.html>
> > *Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Are Ehsan Jami's methods
> > promoting religious tolerance in the Netherlands?<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524,00.html>
> > *
> > Controversially, 9/11 was chosen as the date to sign the "European
> > Declaration for Tolerance." It aims to draw attention to what the former
> > Muslims see as the lack of freedom of religion within Islam.
> >
> >
> > Former Muslims from several European countries signed the declaration in
> > the Hague on the sixth anniversary of the terror attacks in the United
> > States Tuesday. Other signatories included many well-known Dutch
> > politicians, authors and journalists.
> >
> >
> >
> > The date of the declaration, Sept.11, was symbolically chosen in order to
> > condemn the terror and intolerance perpetuated by radical Islamic militants,
> > though critics argue that choosing the date unfairly links Islam to
> > terrorism.
> >
> >
> >
> > The ex-Muslim committees from the Netherlands, Britain, Germany and the
> > Scandinavian countries wanted to draw attention to what they refer to as the
> > "lack of freedom of religion within Islamic culture."
> >
> >
> >
> > Ex-Muslim, Ehsan Jami, an Iranian-born Dutchman, launched the initiative to
> > sign the Declaration of Tolerance. Jami, 22, a Labour Party member of the
> > city council in a district near The Hague, has been attacked for his views
> > three times.
> >
> >
> >
> > "There are five sharia schools in Islam which say if you leave Islam you
> > must be killed," Jami, 22, told Reuters in an interview.
> >
> >
> >
> > Muslims are not allowed to renounce their faith, according to a strict
> > interpretation of Islam and those who do are subject to imprisonment or
> > death in some Muslim countries.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Ex-Muslims reignite divisive debate over Islam*
> >
> >
> >
> > The movement of Muslim apostate committees, which was spearheaded earlier
> > this year by Jami and Mina Ahadi, an Iranian living in Germany, has
> > reignited a divisive debate about Islam and has put the lives of such
> > self-declared "ex-Muslims" in danger.
> >
> > In Germany, Ahadi also lives under heavy police protection.
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: Portrait of Mina Ahadi, head of German committee of ex-Muslims]<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524_ind_1,00.html>
> > *Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Mina
> > Ahadi, head of German committee of ex-Muslims, which has 400 members<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524_ind_1,00.html>
> > *
> >
> > In highly publicized interviews, Jami's blunt attacks on Islam has offended
> > many Dutch Muslims and commentators have drawn comparisons between the local
> > politician and the rhetoric of right-wing politician Geert Wilders, who has
> > called for complete ban of the Quran.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jami has referred to the Muslim prophet Mohammed as "criminal," compared
> > Islam to fascism and Nazism, and explained that he decided to launch the
> > committee of former Muslims to call attention to "persistent taboos" about
> > renouncing the Islamic faith.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Divided support for ex-Muslim group*
> >
> >
> >
> > Initially, the Labour Party did not support Jami and his committee, and the
> > Dutch Vice-Prime Minister Wouter Bos told the news daily *Volkskrant* he
> > did not approve of such a committee that "offends Muslims and their faith."
> >
> >
> >
> > But the Dutch public rallied around Jami, putting pressure on Jacques
> > Tichelaar, Labour's parliamentary leader to sign a declaration of support
> > for the ex-Muslim committee.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, Han Noten, who is the Dutch senate's Labour faction leader,
> > criticized his party's stance.
> >
> >
> >
> > In a commentary for Wednesday's *NRC Handelsbad* newspaper, he said the
> > Committee of Ex-Muslims was "oversimplifying reality" and that Jami's
> > methods succeeded in "polarizing society."
> >
> >
> >
> > "Signing the declaration on September 11 can only be interpreted as a
> > provocation," Noten added. "It suggests… that former Muslims are innocent
> > and Muslims are guilty."
> >
> >
> >
> > *The right to renounce the Islamic faith*
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: Demonstrators in the Netherlands show images of slain filmmaker
> > Theo van Gogh]<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524_ind_2,00.html>
> > *Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Theo
> > van Gogh, a filmmaker who criticized Islam was murdered in Amsterdam in 2004<http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_lupe/0,,2779524_ind_2,00.html>
> > *
> >
> > Jami's "Committee of Ex-Muslims" wants imams and Muslims to recognize
> > fellow Muslims' religious rights, including the right leave the faith.
> >
> >
> >
> > "We are breaking the taboo that comes with renouncing Islam, but also
> > taking a stand for reason, universal rights and values and secularism," said
> > a declaration signed by Jami, Ahadi of the German chapter, and their British
> > counterpart Maryam Namazie, who is also of Iranian origin.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahadi, who belongs to the German group called "*Wir haben abgeschworen*,"
> > meaning "We have renounced," said it was significant that the three leaders
> > were from Iran, since they had all witnessed the political repression under
> > the Islamic Republic firsthand.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are some 400 committee members in Germany, including non-Muslim
> > Germans, according to Ahadi. The British council of ex-Muslims has around 70
> > members, and Jami's committee has only two official members.
> >
> >
> >
> > "We have received hundreds of support e-mails and that's what counts," Jami
> > told the AFP news agency. "We're more of a movement."
> >
> > www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2779524,00.html
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 7/7/09, AbuSayeed Rahman <abusayeedr@...>* wrote:
> >
> > I must appreciate the person/persons who could convince/convert three
> > great Guys
> > like SKM, Saif Devdas and Mohammad Asghar !!!!
> >
> > They talk in same line and in same tune.
> > (are they financed by the same source??)
> > I do not know their 'religion' but their writings/postings all indicate
> > that they are
> > on the 'Crusade' against Islam !!
> >
> > I am just wondering what benefit they are getting from their sponsors !
> >
> > Is that benefit worthy enough to sacrifice the life here after ???
> >
> > If someone doesn't believe in the life here after, then it is OK.
> >
> > But if they believe, then on what basis they are ready to sacrifice that
> > ??
> >
> > The standing of 'Islam' will never be dented by their effort.
> >
> >
> > Dr Abu Sayeed
> >
> > *Khurram*
> >
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 7/7/09, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@...>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > *Dear Modern Day Apostle of Allah>*
> > * *
> > *WoW! What a Big Time--Big-Bang answer to This Quranic Big-Bang Theory! O'
> > all the Truth-Seekers of the World, let us all commit ourselves to the Art
> > of Truth Telling---to Tell the Truth Like it is---Look for the Truth---Live
> > for the Truth, Search for the Truth, and Speak nothing but the Truth--Even
> > if you find Allah is standing in the way of Truth---Remove Him from the
> > path! We have nothing to fear, nobody to fear, and we intend to Shame the
> > Devil by telling the Truth. If we must pay the ultimate price to tell the
> > Truth--So be it! No more lies! No more self-deception! By the way, The
> > Nobel Laureate, Professor Abdus Salam warned the Muslims not to rely too
> > much on the Quran's Big Bang Theory, for, what will happen 50 years from
> > now, if Big Bang Theory is proven false?
> > *
> > *SaifDevdas*
> > *islam1234@...*
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place.<http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9660824>
> >
> >
>


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[mukto-mona] Re: Moslims renouncing Islam

Can you explain what is faith and the meaning the faith and what is being renounced here?

What is Islamic faith? is there any difference between Islam and non-Islamic faith? By the way what is a secular faith if any?

I have asked these questions just to see what exactly are being said by using the word "faith" and the meaning of the word "faith" that are being renounce. How the two states mind be realized?

By the way the word Islam means "how to make peace" or "submission to the will of Allah" or "peace". Now If I renounce one of these meanigns how do I express it? What do i have to do in order to reflect of what i have renounced?

It is really a fasinating topic if Mr. Akbar Hussain can explain consistently and thereby we will learn something at the end.

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Akbar Hussain <akbar_50@...> wrote:
>
>
> If faith is a personal matter anyone should have the right to renounce a faith.
>
>
>
> Akbar Hussain
>
>
>
>
>
> To: mirza.syed@...; afirozny@...; msa7011@...; enayet_2000@...; mufassili@...; zckid@...; malamgir1@...; ahumanb@...; drshabbir@...; abidbahar@...; minayet@...; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; alochona@yahoogroups.com; history_islam@yahoogroups.com; bancan@...; rascx@...; ranuc29@...; islam2743@...; ajmol.ali@...; well.kaleem@...; abusol123@...; mozumder@...; mnaquvi@...; nizam_moer@...; celeti@...; captmunir@...; ukabir@...; s_ayubi786@...; muhurys@...; aftab_kazmi@...; mukhan11@...; islam1234@...; abusayeedr@...
> CC: yousuftabish@...; yunussidira@...; ank2000pk@...; khasif235e@...; sa7rong@yahoogroups.com; bogra@yahoogroups.com; tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com; Diagnose@yahoogroups.com; ethad-e-islami@yahoogroups.com; ahlehaq@yahoogroups.com; amongbelievers@yahoogroups.com; communistpartyofpakistan@yahoogroups.com; Sindhpost@...
> From: turkman@...
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:38:53 -0700
> Subject: [mukto-mona] Moslims renouncing Islam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If you are right then, the question is, how come more Moslims are renouncing Islam than Non Moslims converting?
>
> * According to a Mollaa on Al Jazirah T V, 4 million Moslims are converting to Christianity every year.
> * In Former Communist Countries tens of millions have renounced Islam since 1992 and some Mosques are now being closed-down since nobody goes there anymore.
>
> A lot of Moslims are scared to renounce Islam because they can be assassinated by Moslim Extremists otherwise, there would be a lot more of such people.
>
> Ex-Muslims Demand Right to Renounce Islamic Faith
>
>
>
>
> Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Are Ehsan Jami's methods promoting religious tolerance in the Netherlands?
>
> Controversially, 9/11 was chosen as the date to sign the "European Declaration for Tolerance." It aims to draw attention to what the former Muslims see as the lack of freedom of religion within Islam.
>
>
>
> Former Muslims from several European countries signed the declaration in the Hague on the sixth anniversary of the terror attacks in the United States Tuesday. Other signatories included many well-known Dutch politicians, authors and journalists.
>
>
> The date of the declaration, Sept.11, was symbolically chosen in order to condemn the terror and intolerance perpetuated by radical Islamic militants, though critics argue that choosing the date unfairly links Islam to terrorism.
>
> The ex-Muslim committees from the Netherlands, Britain, Germany and the Scandinavian countries wanted to draw attention to what they refer to as the "lack of freedom of religion within Islamic culture."
>
> Ex-Muslim, Ehsan Jami, an Iranian-born Dutchman, launched the initiative to sign the Declaration of Tolerance. Jami, 22, a Labour Party member of the city council in a district near The Hague, has been attacked for his views three times.
>
> "There are five sharia schools in Islam which say if you leave Islam you must be killed," Jami, 22, told Reuters in an interview.
>
> Muslims are not allowed to renounce their faith, according to a strict interpretation of Islam and those who do are subject to imprisonment or death in some Muslim countries.
>
> Ex-Muslims reignite divisive debate over Islam
>
> The movement of Muslim apostate committees, which was spearheaded earlier this year by Jami and Mina Ahadi, an Iranian living in Germany, has reignited a divisive debate about Islam and has put the lives of such self-declared "ex-Muslims" in danger.
> In Germany, Ahadi also lives under heavy police protection.
>
> Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Mina Ahadi, head of German committee of ex-Muslims, which has 400 members
> In highly publicized interviews, Jami's blunt attacks on Islam has offended many Dutch Muslims and commentators have drawn comparisons between the local politician and the rhetoric of right-wing politician Geert Wilders, who has called for complete ban of the Quran.
>
> Jami has referred to the Muslim prophet Mohammed as "criminal," compared Islam to fascism and Nazism, and explained that he decided to launch the committee of former Muslims to call attention to "persistent taboos" about renouncing the Islamic faith.
>
> Divided support for ex-Muslim group
>
> Initially, the Labour Party did not support Jami and his committee, and the Dutch Vice-Prime Minister Wouter Bos told the news daily Volkskrant he did not approve of such a committee that "offends Muslims and their faith."
>
> But the Dutch public rallied around Jami, putting pressure on Jacques Tichelaar, Labour's parliamentary leader to sign a declaration of support for the ex-Muslim committee.
>
> However, Han Noten, who is the Dutch senate's Labour faction leader, criticized his party's stance.
>
> In a commentary for Wednesday's NRC Handelsbad newspaper, he said the Committee of Ex-Muslims was "oversimplifying reality" and that Jami's methods succeeded in "polarizing society."
>
> "Signing the declaration on September 11 can only be interpreted as a provocation," Noten added. "It suggests… that former Muslims are innocent and Muslims are guilty."
>
> The right to renounce the Islamic faith
>
> Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Theo van Gogh, a filmmaker who criticized Islam was murdered in Amsterdam in 2004
> Jami's "Committee of Ex-Muslims" wants imams and Muslims to recognize fellow Muslims' religious rights, including the right leave the faith.
>
> "We are breaking the taboo that comes with renouncing Islam, but also taking a stand for reason, universal rights and values and secularism," said a declaration signed by Jami, Ahadi of the German chapter, and their British counterpart Maryam Namazie, who is also of Iranian origin.
>
> Ahadi, who belongs to the German group called "Wir haben abgeschworen," meaning "We have renounced," said it was significant that the three leaders were from Iran, since they had all witnessed the political repression under the Islamic Republic firsthand.
>
> There are some 400 committee members in Germany, including non-Muslim Germans, according to Ahadi. The British council of ex-Muslims has around 70 members, and Jami's committee has only two official members.
>
> "We have received hundreds of support e-mails and that's what counts," Jami told the AFP news agency. "We're more of a movement."
> www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2779524,00.html
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, AbuSayeed Rahman <abusayeedr@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I must appreciate the person/persons who could convince/convert three great Guys
> like SKM, Saif Devdas and Mohammad Asghar !!!!
>
> They talk in same line and in same tune.
> (are they financed by the same source??)
> I do not know their 'religion' but their writings/postings all indicate that they are
> on the 'Crusade' against Islam !!
>
> I am just wondering what benefit they are getting from their sponsors !
>
> Is that benefit worthy enough to sacrifice the life here after ???
>
> If someone doesn't believe in the life here after, then it is OK.
>
> But if they believe, then on what basis they are ready to sacrifice that ??
>
> The standing of 'Islam' will never be dented by their effort.
>
>
> Dr Abu Sayeed
>
>
> Khurram
>
> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Modern Day Apostle of Allah>
>
> WoW! What a Big Time--Big-Bang answer to This Quranic Big-Bang Theory! O' all the Truth-Seekers of the World, let us all commit ourselves to the Art of Truth Telling---to Tell the Truth Like it is---Look for the Truth---Live for the Truth, Search for the Truth, and Speak nothing but the Truth--Even if you find Allah is standing in the way of Truth---Remove Him from the path! We have nothing to fear, nobody to fear, and we intend to Shame the Devil by telling the Truth. If we must pay the ultimate price to tell the Truth--So be it! No more lies! No more self-deception! By the way, The Nobel Laureate, Professor Abdus Salam warned the Muslims not to rely too much on the Quran's Big Bang Theory, for, what will happen 50 years from now, if Big Bang Theory is proven false?
>
> SaifDevdas
> islam1234@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place.
> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9660826
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[mukto-mona] BJP reluctant to fight Varun’s case



"The party should not have to tell lies on behalf of Varun"
BJP reluctant to fight Varun's case
Neena Vyas



Varun Gandhi
NEW DELHI: Strong indications are now coming from top Bharatiya Janata Party leaders that they are against the party being saddled with fighting the criminal case against Varun Gandhi for his hate speech in Pilibhit in the run-up to the general election. "The party should not have to tell lies on behalf of Varun," one leader said.
So far, the BJP's support to Mr. Gandhi was based on the premise that he had not made the hate speech. They believed him when he said that the audio-video compact discs played repeatedly on television channels were 'morphed.'
Even at that time, the party "dissociated" itself from the hate speech while adding that Mr. Gandhi had said he had not spoken those anti-Muslim words and the authenticity of the compact discs had not been established.
Since then two things have happened. One, a laboratory report has said the tapes were authentic, the voice was that of Mr. Gandhi and there were no signs of tampering. Two, the BJP has lost the election, faring badly in Uttar Pradesh, and some of its MPs and candidates have openly blamed Mr. Gandhi's speech for the "tactical consolidation" of the Muslim vote against the party. The criticism was made openly at the national executive committee.
Slowly but surely, the BJP seems to be coming round to the view that Mr. Gandhi is less of an asset and more of a problem. The party organised his defence when he was arrested under the National Security Act by the Mayawati government.
Eventually, those charges were revoked after intervention by the Supreme Court. Now some influential party leaders feel that the BJP should not sully its own reputation by defending him in the criminal case.
In fact, lawyers organised for the defence of Mr. Gandhi in the NSA case have now been threatened, presumably by the Chota Shakeel gang, if the Delhi police are to be believed. While some of the lawyers reportedly threatened have had to organise their own security by personally paying for it, Mr. Gandhi and his mother Maneka Gandhi have made an issue of upgrading their security at public expense, some BJP leaders pointed out.


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[mukto-mona] Book Review: On Pakistani Madrasas and Militancy



 

 

Book Review

 

 

Name of the Book: The Madrassah Challenge—Militancy and Religious Education in Pakistan

Author: C. Christine Fair

Publisher: United States Institute of Peace Press, Washington DC

Year: 2008

Pages: 143

Reviewed by: Yoginder Sikand

 

Long ignored by the international media, policy makers and academics, traditional madrasas or Islamic schools shot into the limelight following the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979 and, not long after, the take-over of Afghanistan by the Taliban, led by madrasa graduates. Today, madrasas in general, and Pakistani madrasas in particular, are routinely projected in the international media as 'dens of terror' and 'factories of militancy'. Governments and international organizations continue to issue calls for radical reforms in Pakistan's madrasas, warning that failure to do so will allow these schools to turn out literally tens of thousands of militants every year, posing grave danger to regional, indeed international, stability. The raging debate about madrasas in Pakistan is at the centre of a war of ideas in Muslim South Asia.

 

This slim book is an outcome of empirical research undertaken by the author in Pakistan, and is based on her personal interactions with numerous Pakistani ulema, heads of madrasas, government officials, as well as American policy-makers. Fair's basic concern is to seek to understand the reality or otherwise of widespread accusations about Pakistan's madrasas being heavily involved in promoting terrorism and other forms of violence.

 

Fair's central contention, which she backs with an impressive array of statistics, is that unqualified and sweeping claims about Pakistani madrasas in general as training centres for militancy in the name of jihad need to be viewed with circumspection. Based on her interviews with family members of 140 slain Pakistani militants, she argues that only a small minority of Pakistani militants active in the violence in Kashmir have a madrasa background. The vast majority of these men had studied in regular public, or, less often, private, schools. Relatively few were madrasa students or graduates. One reason for this, she argues, is that Pakistan-based militant groups involved in warfare with Indian forces in Kashmir need better qualified activists than what madrasas can offer. At the same time, however, Fair notes a heavy presence of Pakistani madrasa students and graduates in suicide bombing operations in Afghanistan and in Pakistan's Pakhtun borderlands, as well as in sectarian violence involving rival Muslim sects in large parts of Pakistan.

 

Although Fair contends that, overall, the proportion of Pakistani madrasa students and graduates involved in international militancy is relatively low, she notes that madrasas might help create an atmosphere conducive to calls for what they often describe as jihad. In particular, this has to do with how madrasa students are socialized to view the world around them, including what they are taught about non-Muslims and religions other than Islam. Fair rightly concludes that madrasa teachers and students tend to be considerably less tolerant of other religions and their adherents, and significantly more supportive of violence as a means to solve territorial disputes, as, for instance, with regard to the conflict in Kashmir between India and Pakistan. It would have added weight to her contention if she had surveyed the texts taught in Pakistani madrasas that deal with issues related to the notion of jihad and the portrayal of non-Muslims in these texts. She could also have conducted in-depth interviews with her numerous Pakistani respondents on these crucial issues that are central to the debate about madrasas and militancy. That would have greatly added to the merit of her argument.

 

Another interesting finding that Fair presents to her readers is that, contrary to what is generally thought, full-time madrasas account for probably less than 5 per cent of all students in Pakistan, they being greatly outnumbered by students enrolled in public and private schools. This indicates that the influence of the madrasas is considerably less than what is often imagined. Not all madrasa students come from impoverished families, as is generally supposed. Fair estimates that more than 10 per cent of madrasa students are sons of fairly rich parents. Then, again, contrary to popular perception, not all Pakistani madrasas teach only religious subjects. Many of them have included basic secular subjects in their curriculum. Others allow for admission only to students who have completed at least a few years in a general school.

 

 

Madrasas might not simply produce what Fair calls 'intolerant' students. It may also be the case that 'intolerant' families might choose to send their children to madrasas because they believe that madrasa teachers espouse similar worldviews. But even here generalizations are hazardous, Fair writes, as most parents who have at least one child studying in a madrasa choose to send at least one of their other children to a general, private of public, school. She adds that it is not just Pakistani madrasa students who are generally characterized by considerable hostility to religious minorities and advocate what they consider as jihad with India over Kashmir. Almost the same proportion of students in government schools hold similar views, she tells us. This points to the fact that Government-approved Pakistani textbooks are replete with negative references to India and Hindus and reflect a particular version of Islamic supremacism that promotes extreme intolerance towards others. It is thus not just Pakistan's madrasas' whose teachings about other faiths and their adherents need to be critically examined and reformed. The same holds true for Pakistani Government-approved texts.

 

Fair adduces several reasons for the involvement, albeit limited, of Pakistani madrasas in promoting international militancy: Saudi financing of conservative Sunni madrasas in Pakistan to counter Shia groups or even Sunni groups inspired by Iran's anti-imperialist and anti-monarchical revolution; American and Saudi backing for militant madrasas in Pakistan during the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan; and the increasing salience of ulema-led political parties in Pakistan that can rely on a steady supply of madrasa students as their foot-soldiers. She refers to the continued use by the Pakistani state of radical Islamist groups, including those associated with madrasas, particularly of the Deobandi, Ahl-e Hadith and Jamaat-e Islami sort, in the ongoing conflicts in Kashmir and Afghanistan. She rightly points out that as long as this continues, madrasa-related militancy can hardly be curbed. She also draws attention to the deeply sectarian nature of the madrasa system in Pakistan, with each madrasa being associated with one or the other rival Muslim sect. This, naturally, tends to generate conflict of the sectarian kind, given that one of the madrasas' major functions is to defend their version of Islam as supposedly genuine and to brand the others' as allegedly aberrant.

 

 

However, at the same time, Fair misses out on numerous other factors (perhaps deliberately, for hers is a study funded and published by a Right-wing organization close to the US establishment) that continue to fuel considerable Muslim resentment, including among madrasa students, in Pakistan—the on-going conflicts in Palestine and Iraq, in which the US is heavily implicated, and the continued American bombing of Afghanistan and now parts of Pakistan, too, being the most important. Fair also misses out the role of Pakhtun nationalism in the current militancy in Pakistan's North-West frontier as well as the role of Islam as a vehicle for expressing violent dissent against Pakistan's corrupt ruling class and its deadly alliance with the United States. Fair's analysis is, therefore, extremely limited, in that she seems to locate militancy as somehow internal to those madrasas that are said to be involved in it, and as seeming to have little to do with external factors, such as those just mentioned—which is surely not the case.

 

The book's concluding chapter looks at the halting efforts on the part of the Pakistani state in promoting madrasa reforms. These reforms, Fair argues, have been largely, though not entirely, sought to be introduced at the behest of the United States. She frankly admits, based on her conversations with high-level officials in the US State Department, that that 'de-Islamisation' of Pakistan's education system is, in fact, one of their goals' (p.95). Much money has been allocated by the US to Pakistan for this purpose, but, she notes, the ulema of the madrasas have quite naturally refused to bite the bait. They rightly suspect, she says, the intentions of the US and the Pakistani Government, and consider their agenda for madrasa 'reform' to be goaded by what they see as sinister purposes. It is thus not surprising that most of the reform measures recently introduced by the Pakistani Government for the country's madrasas have pathetically failed. This is not, Fair tells us, because of any supposed support for militancy on the part of most Pakistani madrasas, but mainly because of suspicions of the intentions of the Pakistani state and the USA, the fear of governmental interference, as well as, in many cases, the apprehension that state intervention would curb the influence of, or disturb the power and privileges of, the families that manage most madrasas.

 

Fair frankly confesses that US involvement in 'reforming' Pakistani madrasas has 'hurt more than it has helped, because it has served to de-legitimise the Government's efforts and reduced them to mere action items directed by Washington and London.' (p.92). Hence, she argues, 'the US would do well at least to consider ceasing public calls for madrassah reform in Pakistan' because of the backlash these calls have produced, making such 'reform' increasingly difficult. In this regard, she advises that 'The US should consider diminishing its public role and encouraging its partner and multilateral agencies to take a discreet role in these initiatives' (p.95). In other words, she does not advocate that the US must cease trying to intervene (or meddle or interfere, as many would describe it) in the affairs of Pakistan's madrasas. All she suggests is that it must continue to intervene, but in a much more subtle manner.

 

 

At the same time, Fair admits that many madrasa managers, as well as the majority of ordinary Pakistanis, do feel the need for substantial reforms in Pakistan's madrasas, in order to produce a class of ulema who can suitably address and respond to contemporary needs and concerns. Given this, she suggests that, ultimately, the ulema themselves have to take the lead in promoting madrasa reforms internally. It cannot be a top-down process, induced or ordered by the Pakistani Government or the USA. Furthermore, she rightly advises that the Pakistani state as well as international actors must not make madrasas the focus of their policy at the expense of other educational issues, most crucially the pathetic public education system in the Pakistan that caters to some 70% of its school-going children, many of who are, so Fair writes, hardly different from madrasa students in their approach to non-Muslims and to the question of the use of violence to settle conflicts.

 

This immensely absorbing book cannot afford to be missed by anyone interested in ongoing debates about Islamic or Muslim education.

 



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