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Tangail Gang Rape

Protests pour in

Victim improving; medical board formed

 
A group of Facebook users form a human chain on the south plaza of Jatiya Sangsad Bhaban yesterday, demanding exemplarily punishment to rapists, including the four men who gang-raped a 15-year-old girl for four days in Tangail early December. Photo: Focus BanglaStar Report

Enraged by the early December gangrape of a 15-year-old schoolgirl in Madhupur, hundreds of people gathered in front of the Jatiya Sangsad Bhaban yesterday to demand an end to violence against women.

The protesters sought justice for the schoolgirl and another 14-year-old Marma girl who was raped and then murdered in Rangamati around the same time in December.

The state should ensure women's protection and to do so, they said, it had to address the issues involved in a systematic and collective manner. Besides, a significant change is necessary in the patriarchal mindsets at family and community levels.

Representatives from 20 rights organisations, cultural activists, studentsand many others participated in the human chain and rally organised by Sangat Bangladesh and One Billion Rising.

"We have to respond by ensuring justice [to the survivors of violence] and by sending out a very clear message that there is zero tolerance for rape," said prominent human rights activist Irene Khan.

Rapes had the lowest conviction rates in the world, she said, which was why such acts were committed again and again.

Women's rights activist Maleka Begum criticised the societal trend of blaming the victim rather than the rapists.

When they are traumatised by what has happened to them, their families shun them, police refuse to file cases and courts fail to ensure justice. This is how the rape victims are harassed repeatedly. Structural failures and patriarchal attitudes should be blamed for all this, speakers said.

A multi-dimensional approach must be undertaken to address violence against women, said Shaheen Anam, executive director of Manusher Jonno Foundation, emphasising the need for incorporating gender issues in the education system.

"Women's rights activists are coming to the realisation that in order to make the movement stronger we have to include everyone."

Theatre personality Sara Zaker echoed Shaheen's view, saying the movement needed to "go viral".

Spontaneous reactions such as demonstrations would be there but long-term strategies were also needed to combat the issue, said women's rights activist Shipra Bose.

Sultana Kamal, executive director of Ain o Salish Kendra; Shireen Haq, founder member of Naripokkho; Khushi Kabir, coordinator of Nijera Kori; Aly Zaker, theatre personality; Farah Khan, country director of ActionAid, and cultural organiser Nasiruddin Yousuf Bacchu also joined the demonstration.

Meanwhile, human chains were formed in Tangail, Madhupur and Gala union, condemning the 15-year-old's gangrape and demanding exemplary punishment to the culprits. The protesters also asked the authority to give protection to the victim and her family.

The gangrape of the girl took place between December 6 and 10 in Madhupur. The four violators and their abettor were arrested on December 31 and were taken on police remand on Wednesday.

Ironically, the abettor is a young woman, Bithi Akter, who befriended the victim a month before handing her over to the culprits. The four are SM Nuruzzaman alias Gada, 42, Shajahan Ali, 40, Moniruzzaman Moni, 39, and Harunur Rashid Harun, 27.

On December 10, the rapists left the girl by the rail line in Tangail from where she was recovered by her brother.

Political and social organisations in the capital yesterday demanded expeditious trial of the violators.

Mujahidul Islam Selim, president of the Communist Party of Bangladesh, and its General Secretary Syed Abu Zafar Ahmed in a joint statement expressed concern over the rape.

The chairman and the general secretary of Bangladesh Tariqat Federation said the incident in Tangail proved that the government had failed to provide security to the people.

The Jatiya Konyashishu and Advocacy Forum held a human chain in front of the Jatiya Press Club, demanding exemplary punishment to the violators.

Also yesterday, Dhaka Medical College Hospital authorities formed a medical board for treating the teenage schoolgirl who was gang-raped in Madhupur of Tangail early December last year.

Doctors said the victim had been showing signs of mental imbalance but her condition was improving.

The seven-member team includes medicine, gynaecology and psychology experts, said Bilkis Begum, coordinator of One-Stop Crisis Centre at the DMCH.

Bilkis, a gynaecology consultant who is also on the board, said the girl was still on saline as she was not taking any food or drink. The class-IX girl also responded to doctors' queries for the first time yesterday since her admission on Monday night.

Her problems are more of mental rather than physical in nature. The victim had been screaming at the sight of any unknown men. But yesterday she did not react that way when doctors and some other unknown men went to visit her.

Reports of several tests conducted on her were normal, said Bilkis.

Meanwhile, family members of the accused protested the latters' innocence and claimed the entire incident was a "conspiracy," reports our Tangail correspondent. They demanded proper investigation into the matter.

Mozibor Rahman, officer-in-charge of Madhupur Police Station, said the accused had already confessed the crime during interrogation.

According to police investigation, Bithi took the girl to Madhupur for a role in a drama. After the shooting at Bangladesh Agriculture Development Corporation in Madhupur on December 6, they took the girl at the house of Nuruzzaman at Bokarbaid village.

"The four men raped the girl when Bithi was present in the house that night," the OC added.


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জাতীয় সংসদ ভবনের সামনে মানববন্ধন

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নারীদের জন্য নিরাপদ বাংলাদেশ এবং প্রতিটি ধর্ষণের ঘটনায় ন্যায়বিচার ও জড়িতদের শাস্তির দাবিতে স্কুল-কলেজ-বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের শিক্ষার্থী থেকে শুরু করে বিভিন্ন শ্রেণী-পেশার মানুষ গতকাল জাতীয় সংসদ ভবনের সামনে মানববন্ধন করেন

ছবি: প্রথম আলো

'ধর্ষণের কোনো ক্ষমা নেই', 'ঘরে বাইরে সর্বত্র নারী নির্যাতনের বিরুদ্ধে রুখে দাঁড়াও', 'জেগে উঠুন নির্মমভাবে আঘাত করুন', 'জাস্টিস ডিলেইড, জাস্টিস ডিনাইড'।
স্কুল-কলেজ-বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের ছাত্রী থেকে শুরু করে অনেকেই এসব প্ল্যাকার্ড হাতে দাঁড়িয়ে ছিলেন জাতীয় সংসদ ভবনের সামনে। গতকাল বৃহস্পতিবার সেখানে সকালে ও বিকেলে দুটি মানববন্ধন কর্মসূচি পালন করা হয়। সেখান থেকে মেয়েদের জন্য নিরাপদ একটি বাংলাদেশের দাবি ওঠে।
উদ্যমে উত্তরণে শতকোটি, দক্ষিণ এশিয়ার নারী আন্দোলন কর্মীদের মোর্চা সাংগাত, আইন ও সালিশ কেন্দ্র, অ্যাকশনএইড, ব্র্যাক, মানুষের জন্য ফাউন্ডেশন, নিজেরা করি, প্রাগ্রসর, উই ক্যান, অক্সফাম, এশিয়াটিক, নারীপক্ষ, বাংলাদেশ মহিলা পরিষদ ও নারী প্রগতি সংঘসহ বিভিন্ন সামাজিক ও সাংস্কৃতিক সংগঠন যৌথভাবে এই মানববন্ধনের আয়োজন করে।
মানববন্ধনে অংশ নিয়ে মানবাধিকারকর্মী আইরিন খান বলেন, ধর্ষণের প্রতিটি ঘটনার ন্যায়বিচার ও জড়িতদের শাস্তি নিশ্চিত করতে হবে। সবার কাছে এই বার্তা পৌঁছাতে হবে যে ধর্ষণকারীদের ব্যাপারে বিন্দুমাত্র ছাড় দেয় না রাষ্ট্র। 
সেন্ট্রাল উইমেন্স বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের সমাজবিজ্ঞান ও জেন্ডার স্টাডিজ বিভাগের অধ্যাপক মালেকা বেগম বলেন, ধর্ষকের বদলে এ সমাজ ধর্ষিতার শিকার ব্যক্তিকেই অনেক সময় দায়ী করে। পুলিশ তাদের মামলা নিতে চায় না, আদালত ন্যায়বিচার নিশ্চিত করতে পারেন না। এসব কারণে ধর্ষণের শিকার মেয়েটির যন্ত্রণা আরও বেড়ে যায়। 
মানুষের জন্য ফাউন্ডেশনের নির্বাহী পরিচালক শাহীন আনাম বলেন, নারী নির্যাতন বন্ধ করতে সম্মিলিতভাবে আন্দোলন করতে হবে। পাঠ্যপুস্তকে লিঙ্গ বিষয়টি আনতে হবে। বিচ্ছিন্নভাবে নয়, প্রত্যেককে এই আন্দোলনে যুক্ত হতে হবে। 
আইন ও সালিশ কেন্দ্রের নির্বাহী পরিচালক সুলতানা কামাল, নিজেরা করির সমন্বয়ক খুশী কবির, সম্মিলিত সাংস্কৃতিক জোটের সভাপতি নাসির উদ্দীন ইউসুফ, সাংগাত বাংলাদেশের ফওজিয়া খন্দকার, নাট্যব্যক্তিত্ব আলী যাকের, অভিনেত্রী সারা যাকের, অ্যাকশনএইডের বাংলাদেশপ্রধান ফারাহ খান, শিপ্রা বসু প্রমুখ এই মানববন্ধনে অংশ নেন। এর আগে টাঙ্গাইলের ওই ঘটনায় ন্যায়বিচারের মঞ্চ নামের একটি ফেসবুকভিত্তিক সংগঠন গতকাল সকালে সংসদ ভবনের সামনে মানববন্ধনের আয়োজন করে। 
আয়োজনকারীরা বলেন, শুধু ২০১২ সালেই দেশে ৭৭১ জন নারী ধর্ষিত হয়েছেন, যাঁদের মধ্যে ১৫৭ জনই গণধর্ষণের শিকার। আর ধর্ষণের পর হত্যা করা হয় ১০৬ জনকে। এসব ঘটনার পরও রাষ্ট্রের আইন, প্রশাসন ও বিচারব্যবস্থার শিথিল অবস্থান দেশের মানবাধিকার পরিস্থিতিকে হুমকির সম্মুখীন করেছে।
সাংবাদিক অঞ্জন রায়, 'জাস্টিস ফর বাংলাদেশ'-এর আহ্বায়ক এস এম সৈকত, আইনজীবী আফসানা জেরিন খান, আইন ও সালিশ কেন্দ্রের পরিচালক নূর খান, সাংবাদিক শরীফ এ. কাফী, পরিবেশকর্মী সৈয়দ সাইফুল আলম, আইনজীবী এরশাদুল বারী খন্দকারসহ বিভিন্ন সামাজিক সংগঠনের প্রতিনিধিরা মানববন্ধনে উপস্থিত ছিলেন।
বক্তারা বলেন, শিশু-কিশোরী থেকে বৃদ্ধ নারী—কারও সম্ভ্রমই আজ নিরাপদ নয়। তাঁরা আজ ধর্ষণ কিংবা গণধর্ষণের শিকার হচ্ছেন। কিন্তু দুর্বল আইনি কাঠামোর কারণে ধর্ষকেরা পার পেয়ে যাচ্ছে। আর তাই ধর্ষণ প্রতিরোধে সবাইকে সম্মিলিতভাবে এগিয়ে আসতে হবে। 
বাংলাদেশের কমিউনিস্ট পার্টির সভাপতি মুজাহিদুল ইসলাম সেলিম ও সাধারণ সম্পাদক সৈয়দ আবু জাফর আহমেদ এক বিবৃতিতে এই ঘটনায় উদ্বেগ প্রকাশ করে ন্যায়বিচার দাবি করেছেন। এ ছাড়া কয়েকটি সামাজিক, সাংস্কৃতিক ও রাজনৈতিক সংগঠন ওই ঘটনার বিচার দাবি করে গতকাল নানা কর্মসূচি পালন করেছে।

http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2013-01-04/news/318548


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"আন্তর্জাতিক চিন্তাবিদ" হিসেবে বাঙ্গালীর বেশ সুনাম আছে। বাঙ্গালী চোখে দূরবীন লাগিয়ে বিদেশের সব খবর রাখে, কিন্তু নিজের পড়নে যে লুঙ্গিটা নাই, সে চিন্তা নাই, অন্য দেশের মানুষ বাঙ্গালীর ইজ্জত দেখলেও বাঙ্গালী টের পায়না, কাপড় না থাকার দরুন বিদেশীরা প্রায়ই বাঙ্গালীর "পশ্চাৎদেশ" টার সদব্যাবহার করে, কিন্তু তাতেও বাঙ্গালীর হুশ নাই। আগে পাকিস্থানের মুসলিম জাত ভাইরা মেরেছে, এখন হিন্দু দাদারা মারছে, বাঙ্গালী আছেই পক পকানির উপর। মাঝে মাঝে মনে হয়, ভারতের কোন প্রদেশে বাস করছি।

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পাকিস্থানের মালালা বেগমের উপর যখন হামলা হল তখন বাংলাদেশি মিডিয়ার সে কি কান্না, প্রত্যেকটা পত্রিকা, টিভি তে হেডলাইন, আবার এখন চলছে ভারতের এক জনের জন্য কান্না, প্রথম আলো সহ বিভিন্ন পত্রিকায় বিশাল বিশাল লেখা। কিন্তু সাজিয়া নামের আমাদের এক ডাক্তার যখন খুন হল তখন কোথাও কোন খবর ছিলনা, ঘটনার ২ দিন পর দায়সারা গোছের খবর ছেপেছে পত্রিকাগুলো, তাও শেষের দিকের পৃষ্ঠায়, চিপার মধ্যে। ২১ শে ডিসেম্বর তুমা চিং মারমা নামের অষ্টম শ্রেণির এক
ছাত্রীকে রাঙ্গামাটি তে ধর্ষণের পর হত্যা করা হয়েছে, সে খবরও কারো জানা নেই।
অনেককেই দেখলাম ভারতের মেয়েটার কাছে ক্ষমা চেয়ে স্ট্যাটাস দিচ্ছে।

বাঙ্গালীর অভ্যাসটা এমন অন্য দেশের লোকেরা মুতলেও সেটা শরবত হিসেবে খাওয়ার জন্য হুড়োহুড়ি পড়ে যাবে।

মানবিক হওয়া উচিৎ তবে সেটা দেশের ভিতর থেকে শুরু করলেই ভালো। গতকাল গ্রামীণফোনের কনসার্টে অনেকেই গেছেন, বাঙ্গালী এখন ১০/২০ হাজার টাকায় টিকিট কিনে গান শুনতে যায়, বাঙ্গালী ওয়েস্টিনে পিঠা উৎসবে যায় ভাপা পিঠা খেতে, কিন্তু তাদের কজন এই শীতে একটা রাস্তার বাচ্চাকে ৫০ টাকা দিয়ে একটা গরম কাপড় কিনে দিয়েছে ? কিংবা এক বেলা খাবার ? বাঙ্গালীর মত "বাইনচোদ" মার্কা জাতি মনে হয় দুনিয়ার আর কোথাও নেই।

শাহজাহান খান গতকাল জুতার বাড়ি খেয়েছেন, অবশেষে কেউ একজন দেশের মান রাখল, আমরা এখন গর্ব করে বলতে পারব, জর্জ বুশ জুতা খেয়েছিল, আমাদের দেশেও খায়। ইকনমিস্ট প্রতিবেদন দিয়েছিল, অর্থনীতিতে ২০৫০ এ আমরা আমেরিকাকে চুদে দিব। শাহজাহান মিয়া আগেই চুদে দিল।

ভিট-চ্যানেল আই সুন্দরী নির্বাচিত হয়েছে কিছুদিন আগে, দুঃখজনক হলেও সত্য যে কিছু সম্ভাবনাময় প্রতিভার মৃত্যু ঘটল এবং ঠিক সেই মুহূর্তেই রাজধানীতে আরও কিছু গোলাপি মাংসের কচি,সুস্বাদু এবং মানসম্পন্ন বেশ্যা তৈরি হল।

ক্যামেরারা সামনে এবং ক্যামেরার পিছনে কাপড় খোলার জন্য কিছু মেয়ের আগ্রহ তৈরি হল। বাপের বয়সী কিছু কিছু লোক এরই মধ্যে নিশ্চয় তাদের দাম-দর ঠিক করে ফেলেছে, বিভিন্ন প্রোডাকশন হাউস ক্যামেরার পিছনের কাজের জন...্য তাদেরকে নিলামে তুলছে, ইতিমধ্যেই মনে হয় ঠিক হয়ে গিয়েছে যে থাইল্যান্ড, সিঙ্গাপুর, ব্যাংকক, দুবাই এ কে কোন বিছানায় কার সাথে শুয়ে পরবে।

টিভি চ্যানেল গুলো নারী অধিকারের নামে ঘরের মেয়েদেরকে বিভিন্ন প্রসাধন কোম্পানির টাকায় বেশ্যা বানাচ্ছে, কিন্তু যে মেয়েটি ইতিমধদ্ধেই অভাবের তাড়নায় পতিতা হয়েছে, তাকে সেই পথ থেকে ফিরিয়ে সমাজে প্রতিষ্ঠার জন্য কি করেছে ? কিচ্ছু করেনি, কারণ তাতে তো আর ব্যাবসা হবেনা, এখানে টাকাই মুখ্য, ব্যাবসাই আসল।

তারপরেও টিভি চ্যানেল গুলোকে ধন্যবাদ যে তাদের জন্যই মানুষ কিছু মানসম্পন্ন বেশ্যা পাচ্ছে, না হলে ফার্মগেট,মালিবাগ অথবা মগবাজারের কালো চামড়ার দুর্গন্ধওয়ালা হাড্ডিসার দেহ গুলোর উপর শুয়ে পড়তে হত। নারীবাদের নামে মিডিয়া শুধু সেই সব মেয়েদের কথাই বলে যাদের যাদের বুকের মাপ ৩৬, কোমরের মাপ ২৬, যাদের নিতম্বের মাপ ৩৬ । যাদের গোলাপি গায়ের রঙ, যাদের কাপড় খুললে দেহ থেকে মাতাল করা দামি পারফিউম এর গন্ধ আসে। মেধা নয়, কাপড় খোলাটাই সাফল্যের চাবি কাঠি ।

জয় হোক মিডিয়ার, জয় হোক বেশ্যার দালালদের, জয় হোক সুন্দরী বেশ্যাদের, নিশ্চয়ই বেশ্যারা একদিন পৃথিবীর বুকে বাংলাদেশের নাম উজ্জ্বল করবে।

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নাহিদ তন্ময়/শামীমা মিতু
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পুলিশ সদর দফতরের দেওয়া তথ্যানুযায়ী, ২০১২ সালে ৩ সহস্রাধিক নারী ও শিশু ধর্ষণের শিকার হয়েছে। বছরের প্রথম ৬ মাসে সারাদেশে ধর্ষণের শিকার হয়েছে এক হাজার ৮৬৯ জন। এদের মধ্যে ১৩ জনকে ধর্ষণের পর খুন করা হয়েছে। পরিচয় নিশ্চিহ্ন করতে পুড়িয়ে মারার মতো পৈশাচিক ঘটনাও রয়েছে। ২০১২ সালে সবচেয়ে বেশি ধর্ষণের ঘটনা ঘটেছে রাজধানীতে। মানবাধিকার সংগঠন অধিকার-এর তথ্যানুযায়ী, ২০১২ সালে ৯ শতাধিক ধর্ষণের ঘটনা ঘটে। ২০১১ সালে এ সংখ্যা ছিল ৭১১। ধর্ষণ ছাড়াও নারী নির্যাতনের ভয়াবহ তথ্য পাওয়া যায় পুলিশ সদর দফতরের পরিসংখ্যানে। তাদের তথ্যানুযায়ী, ২০১২ সালের জানুয়ারি থেকে জুন পর্যন্ত ১০ হাজার ২৯ জন নারী নির্যাতনের শিকার হয়েছেন। ২০১১ সালে এর সংখ্যা ছিল ৩ হাজার ৩৪৪।  ...........

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'ধর্ষকদের ফাঁসি চাই'

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Justifying Rape – Blaming the Victim:

 '.............However we agree that indecent dress for women is a cause and this should be avoided. ....."
How these can happen ???

Woman in Saudi Arabia raped en route to pray

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Oct 2, 2012 – CAIRO: An Arab woman in Saudi Arabia was reportedly raped in the holy city of Mecca last week as she was heading to the Grand Mosque for ...
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.com> wrote:
mahmud khan <mahmud_khan6@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Brutal Gang Rape in New Delhi
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:57:52 -0500

Remember the brutal killing of a 15-year old girl by BSF and hung her dead body on the barbwire at the Indo-BD border. I hope this awakes the Indian authority that they can't keep a blind eyes on heinous crime against women. 











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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen



Their fear is that they will be marginalized demographically soon or later and thereby loose the "control". Since this attitude is not politically correct or democratic, people have been trying to hide behind the second amendment.


>>>>>>>>>>> This has been the REAL ISSUE all along. Thanks for pointing this out. Second amendment has been used as a shield to store their fear of future America. NOTHING more. Still I am a fan of American system (And a critic) and hopeful with more time this issue will be ironed out as well.

In the mean time, we may see more violence before everyone comes back to their senses.

Shalom!

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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen

 
Mr. Roy,
Your points are well thought and very sensible approach towards a far safer America. I am sure, if enough people vote with their feet, something will happen with the US gun laws. But that is not happening as far as I can see. If these gun violence against innocent children or masses starts happening every other week, things might move faster towards far more stricter gun control laws. Ironically, you can find some NRA members within the parents of Sandy Hook dead children. And, there lies the problem.

The biggest elephant in the room is the attitude of certain group of people, who think they own America. Their fear is that they will be marginalized demographically soon or later and thereby loose the "control". Since this attitude is not politically correct or democratic, people have been trying to hide behind the second amendment. It is not that they are scared of commies or outer space aliens, they will take on anybody if their interest is threatened. As long as they are ruled by their own kinds, they will lay down their arms willingly.

Here is my point: If US were a homogenous country, guns would been totally controlled by its citizens and government as they are in China, Japan or many other countries with more or less homogeneous populations.
-Shah. D
  

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Avijit <charbak_bd@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 11:22 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen

 
Right Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty.

If anyone thinks we need more security and protection at schools not less, I am with him. But security in school does not have to be mutually exclusive idea of stricter gun laws for the country as a whole.

As I pointed out (in my article), the US homicide rates are 6.9 times higher than rates in similar countries. For example, Gun-homicide rate per capita in the US is almost 30 times that of Britain and Australia, 10 times that of India, and 4 times that of Switzerland. Nobody will say that the USA contains 30 times more crazy people compared to Britain. However, what the US actually has is easy access to guns.

Something is definitely fundamentally wrong in the USA when we see those statistics. I cited an example from Singapore where I lived for more than eight years and I have seen how the stricter gun-laws prohibited mass killings. I mentioned about an incident as well that just happened few hours ago when a 36-year-old man attacked 22 children at a primary school in China. None of the kids died from that incident since the man in China was only carrying a knife. Imagine what would have happened if he could get a semiautomatic rifle as easily as Adam Lanza could. I can give an example from Japan too --

A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

Some points to ponder from the article :

"what about the country at the other end of the spectrum? What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone….

Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories."

I am not saying every crime will abruptly get resolved if you apply stricter gun control laws. But when you see fifteen of the worst twenty-five mass shootings in the past half century have occurred in the U.S., then you should think twice before defending existing laws. As Michael R. Bloomberg already pointed out something like 48,000 Americans will be killed with illegal guns in the next year" if you do not change the law which I think, definitely inspire gun violence.

Avijit

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@...> wrote:
>
> More security and protection in school will mean more gun sales. It is American Rifle Association's pet idea. Total ban will be unconstitutional and probably undesirable at this time, but restriction of kinds of fire arms a private individual should be allowed to possess legally is not. All loopholes in the licensing, registration, and trades have not inly to be removed, the processes have to be made stricter also. The government should at least achieve this much in the near future.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 1, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote:
>
> > Gun-culture in the USA is going to be hard for people, like me, to understand as I came to this country from a place, where civilians have no right to bear or own arms; only criminals in the society have arms. I do not understand why it is a sport to hunt animals or be a member of the shooting range. I do not understand why no one complains about violent video games and movies, which fill young impressionable minds with violent outbursts, and make them insensitive to violence and killing. I do not understand why people buy or own so many high power-firearms for personal protections. I do not understand why President cannot halt assault weapon sell to the public right away using his executive power, if he is so touched by the recent event in Connecticut. I do not understand why he is asking senators and congressmen, who are influenced by lobbyist, to do it. I do not understand the cowboy culture in America. So, it is easy for me to ask for the ban of these weapons.
> >
> > I know President said when he was first elected to the office that he wanted to see a strong civilian force as powerful as military, if not more. Do we know what did he mean? He wanted to arm civilians for what, except to fight ideological battle or for personal protection? I know - he did not do it, but - that was the intent. I smelt Pol Pot or Stalin or Mao Tse Tung in the intent of the President, and millions of Americans do so.
> >
> > I believe - banning firearm-ownership will only disarm civilians and empower culprits. Haven't we banned drugs already? Why do we still see thousands of drug related deaths and violence on the street? Now we are begging for legalizing drug. Have we thought about it? I see civilians are ready to surrender their rights, but culprits are not. Have we thought about it?
> >
> > I know �" tragedy happened in Connecticut, but is gun control the solution? Don't we have laws against access to firearms for mentally challenged people? That did not stop this psychopath to get access to the firearms. I think - we need more security and protection at schools, not less.
> >
> > Jiten Roy
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/31/12, Avijit Roy <charbak_bd@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Avijit Roy <charbak_bd@...>
> > Subject: [mukto-mona] Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen
> > To: "Mukto-mona YahooGroups" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, December 31, 2012, 2:21 PM
> >
> >
> > I wrote a blog just after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School on the necessity of Gun control in the USA:
> >
> > [Just after the Shikh Temple massacre in Wisconsin a few months ago, Time Magazine published an article titled 'The Case for Gun Control', where the author Fareed Zakaria made a strong case in favor of stricter gun control laws. Although he offered valuable insight concerning the topic, the masses paid him little attention after the media revealed that he had plagiarized a portion of the article.
> >
> > Since then, two more major massacres have taken place. Of them, the recent one was the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School that occurred earlier this month in Newtown, Connecticut, where a man armed with two semiautomatic pistols killed 7 adults and 20 children, most of whom were only six years old. ] Read more from here:
> >
> > http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=1564
> >
> > I am glad to see that the modified version has also been appeared in NFB today:
> >
> > http://bangladesh-web.com/new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5829:gun-control-in-the-usa-time-to-make-it-happen&catid=39:highlights&Itemid=438
> >
> > Regards
> > Avijit
> >
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That is why we need to invest in madrassa system and introduce modern methods of education in addition to religious education. Currently west bengal (our neighbor) experienced good results from such investment. We should use religious and moral education as our asset not a liability.

Therefore, I agree with you.

Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
I am sure it will happen, Mr. Rahman, but not from the Madrassa-educated people, who only read Koran. 

Jiten Roy

--- On Wed, 1/2/13, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 8:33 PM

 

 "Give it some time Muslims will again produce world class leaders, thinkers and innovators."

Is it a decade or hundred years? I would not hold my breath to see such great thinkers and innovators to emerge from vacuum
. Where is Muslim Harvard or MIT? If they are ever produced, they will be produced by non-Muslim countries.

Brother, more religion is not solution to anything. No country has improved it's economy with more temples, mosques and churches.
-SD


"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
Reading and reflecting on the holy Qurán is a idea for all people. However to get a scholarly level knowledge of Islam one needs to have information on the Hadith and fiqh as well.

As far as Muslims migrating to western world is concern, it has been part of human history. When Bengal was rich Arabs, Europeans and Persians immigrated and even (Europeans) colonized this part of the world. During dark ages of Europe, they traveled to southern Spain where Muslims were ruling for around 800 years. It has more to do with economics than religion in most cases.

There is NO disagreement that there are plenty of room to improve in most Muslim communities. That has more to do with history (Like colonization and land grab) than religion itself. Give it some time Muslims will again produce world class leaders, thinkers and innovators.  


Shalom!


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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
Read more Quran - it's such a good advice to the Muslim. 

--- On Tue, 1/1/13, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 10:42 AM

 
Please stop beating a dead horse! Studying a religious text book with further rigor would not serve a bit to our modern societies. The exercise would only aid religious bigots/zealots to take us to the dark days of the past that we would like to forget. No, thanks! The proof is in the pudding! Muslims are forced to migrate to other non Muslim countries for better life and education. So, more Quran is not the solution! Please sell this to the illiterates if that gives you pleasure and a free ticket to the heaven.

How do you facilitate creating an Islamic Newton or Einsteins amongst mediocre Muslims should be number one priority before Muslims loose the next game. Becoming more religious without scientific knowledge and critical thinking would only lead to a dead end and more misery. Follow the light, my dear friends!

With an Islamic constitution, Egypt has committed its first blunder. Minorities are already marginalized with that ironic democratic vote. Majority do not vote to limit minority rights. Think about Americans voting to limit Muslims rights? Would that be acceptable to you? Egypt can beat the dead horse but it won't get any mileage from the dead animal. It is sad to see Morsi becoming another Mubarak.
With regards,
Shah Deeldar 

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: mohammad miah <mahalim02@yahoo.com>
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
Thank you Mr. Qamruddin Chowdhury. I am agree with you. It very important for everybody to spend some moments of their time to learn about Islam. There are so many English translated Holy Quran, Hadith and Fiqh book is available and even there are so many Islamic Website you can find your answer too.
Thank you. May Allah blessed everyone with best Islamic knowledge.
 
Happy New to all.

From: qamruddin chowdhury <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
 
Quran, Hadis and Fiqh make our religion complete for abidance. Holy Quran, the divine book, was revealed to the last Prophet SAS.  And Holy Quran confirms that Rasul Allah SAS did not say anything about religion of his own.  So, Hadis is also explantions of Quran through the life, deeds and sayings of Rasul Allah SAS. Fiqh is Islamic jurisprudence and there is no contradiction in it in general.  The problem is with us so called followers of Islam who have no or little knowledge of Quran, Hadis or Fiqh but are masters of giving advice and opinions against Islamic jurisprudence.  Strictly speaking, we are today muslims by name or by birth but not by faith, except a few.   We may call ourselves anything, but in the end it's upto Allah SWT to accept us as Muslims or not. The very first questions in the grave will answer whether we are muslims or not. 
 
I request all through this forum to read the translations of the holy Quran translated by Abdulla Yusuf Ali (in English) and also the life of Prophet SAS (The Sealed Nector - available from hilalplaza.com).  This is very basic to our understanding and following.  And for informal education in a group Tablig jamat is the best without any political/worldly motives and invite you to spend four months with tablig jamat at the earliest opportunity to set the first foot in the way of aakheraat (our permanent abode).
 
Best wishes and regards.  
 
From: Taj Hashmi <taj_hashmi@hotmail.com>
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
 
Shariah is not only about chopping hands of thieves but also about enslaving women and minorities beacuse it is based on Hadis and Fiqh, not the Divine Holy Quran which is good for women and non-Muslims.

Happy New Year to All!

Taj Hashmi
To: alapon@yahoogroups.com From: qamruddinc@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 02:24:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America] 
Let Egypt lead.
 
By the way Sharia law does not contain only one rule, namely, chopping off of hands.  This extreme punishment is an exemplary punishment in a total secure state where there is no robbery or thuggery.  Why not implement all other Sharia laws if we call ourselves Muslims? 
 
Since we are not thieves, we do not have to be afraid of this extreme law also.  Only the thieves, robbers and thugs need to be afraid of Sharia law.  Yes, we want their hands or anything Sharia dictates chopped off, so that we normal human beings are kept safe, secure and sound.
 
 
From: Jamal Hasan <poplu@hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
 
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/will_egypt_become_a_totalitarian_state  Will Egypt become a totalitarian state?   The Muslim Brotherhood wants to control all aspects of the state and personal life after consolidating its power.
The Muslim Brotherhood has made another giant step forward in consolidating its rule in Egypt through the successful passage of the newly drafted constitution by some 64 percent of those who voted. Next come the parliamentary elections in two months through which the Brotherhood will regain control of the legislative branch. In the interim, it has stacked the upper house of Parliament, called the Shura Council, with its own members who will have the power to legislate until the new lower house is elected. President Mohammed Morsi has already successfully decapitated and made peace with the powerful Egyptian military. The new constitution has given him the power to purge the Supreme Constitutional Court by reducing its size from 18 to 11 members. The president of the Lawyers' Syndicate, Sameh Ashour, pointed out the goal: "These are monopolistic plans. The Brotherhood wants to control all aspects of the state." In other words, this will be a clean sweep. Why worry? Isn't Islamist democracy just a step on the way to democracy as it is understood in the West? Isn't that why the United States is supporting Egypt, and why the US administration has courted the Muslim Brotherhood since President Barack Obama seated its members in the front row for his famous speech in Cairo in 2009? Isn't this all part of the Arab spring? The novelist Saul Bellow once wrote that, "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep." To maintain the illusion that the Muslim Brotherhood is intent on transforming Egypt into a democracy requires the application of considerable ignorance. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 in reaction to Kemal Ataturk's abolition of the caliphate in 1924. Its ultimate aim is to restore the caliphate. Its vehicle for doing so, according to founder Hassan al-Banna, is a one-party system akin to that of the Soviet Union under Stalin. Al-Banna envisaged a bottom-up strategy in which people would be Islamized at the local level first. For this purpose, he created his party. After winning the masses, the Muslim Brotherhood would take total control. Why is total control necessary? The chief ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sayyid Qutb, wrote that, "Islam chose to unite earth and heaven in a single system." What does this mean? It means that the separate realms of the divine and the human have collapsed into each other, and that it will now be possible, as Qutb said, "to abolish all injustice from the earth." This, of course, is a millenarian vision similar, in many ways, to the Marxist dream of creating a classless society based on the abolition of scarcity. If perfect justice is to be achieved here, rather than before God's throne in the final judgment, several things will be required by those who institute it. They will, in fact, need the very same things that God is thought to possess in his ability to achieve perfect justice. Those two things are omnipotence and omniscience. The omnipotence will be gained through the establishment of a totalitarian regime. The omniscience will be obtained, as it always has been in totalitarian regimes, through an extensive secret police apparatus. What does the Brotherhood's version of Islam look like in this scheme? As indicated above, it does not look like a normal religion, which preserves the distinction between the earthly and the transcendent. It is a revolutionary ideology aimed at the total transformation of reality. Here is its view, as expressed by the de facto spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi: "Islam is a comprehensive school of thought, a creed, an ideology, and cannot be completely satisfied but by [completely] controlling society and directing all aspects of life, from how to enter the toilet to the construction of the state." However, some analysts suggest that, since its founding 84 years ago, the Muslim Brotherhood has evolved and, when in power, will evolve even more. This is always the hope of those who fail to recognize the essentially totalitarian nature of certain political movements and principles that are not subject to change. Similar hopes were expressed about the Nazi Party and various Marxist parties. They would mature in power, the exercise of which would transform them in a moderate direction. This, of course, did not happen, though these parties often fostered the impression that it was. Rather, these widely held illusions actually enabled these totalitarian parties to consolidate their power. The Muslim Brotherhood is a hard-core cadre party. It takes eight years of training to become a full member. Let us listen to the Brotherhood's leadership today concerning its mission and its prospects of changing. The Deputy Guide of the Brotherhood, Khairat al-Shater, said: "The mission is clear: restoring Islam and its all-encompassing conception; subjugating people to God; instituting the religion of God: the Islamization of life, empowering of God's religion; establishing the Nahda of the Ummah [Muslim nation] on the basis of Islam." As for change, al-Shater proclaimed that, "no one can come and say: 'let's change the overall mission'… No one can say, 'forget about obedience, discipline and structures'… No. All of these are constants that represent the fundamental framework for our method; the method of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is not open for developing or change." So, this is where Egypt is now headed. Some, such as Alber Saber, 27, who was accused of blasphemy this past fall, say of the Brotherhood, "They are no different from the former regime. The weapons have changed, but they are both oppressive regimes." He might very well wish this were so, but it is common experience that authoritarian regimes are considerably more limited in their reach and cruelty than totalitarian regimes. They wish to maintain power, but do not have the metaphysical ambition of transforming reality. This, in other words, will be worse than Mubarak. Sudanese writer Al-Hajj Warraq, got this exactly right in an Egyptian television interview earlier this year: "Democracy is about more than just the ballot box. Democracy is a culture engraved upon the cerebral box before it is the ballot box. One cannot talk about freedom in the absence of free minds. The tragedy of the Arab Spring is that when the tyrannical regimes fell, the fruits were reaped by movements that preach closed-mindedness, rather than free thinking. The outcome will be regimes that are worse than those that were toppled." As indicated earlier, totalitarian regimes, before achieving total control, can display considerable tactical flexibility. When the economy of the Soviet Union was near a state of collapse in the 1920s, Vladimir Lenin had no trouble in instituting a limited free market New Economic Policy, which was later revoked once the danger had passed. The Soviets were expert in creating the impression that they were changing in some fundamental way in order to gain aid from the West to save the revolution. The Muslim Brotherhood has already displayed this kind of tactical dexterity through its use of democratic rhetoric and elections to gain assistance from the West and to lull its opponents. As the Islamist Prime Minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan once said, "democracy is just the train we board to reach our destination." Displaying this kind of flexibility, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, suggested that Islamic law, sharia, should be implemented gradually in Egypt: "I think that in the first five years, there should be no chopping off of hands." One must prepare the ground first. However, the final destination has been clear from the beginning. Brotherhood founder al-Banna announced: "it is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its laws on all nations and extend its power to the entire planet." Stop the train: I want to get off.Robert R. Reilly is a member of the board of the Middle East Media Research Institute and the author of The Closing of the Muslim Mind.






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only few years ago there were many "talk-heads" (Coming frequently to talk shows) used to say Muslims do not like democracy. Today the world has seen not only they promote democracy they are willing to strive for it. Similarly we need to allow them to develop education institutions and strong institutions (Courts, free press etc), they will come back.

Today a middle eastern outlet bought current TV of the USA and it was unthinkable a decade ago.

I am NOT saying you will be another Dr. Muhammad Yunus every year but there will be more of them for sure in coming years. Like Bangladesh they are in transition and with some time they will be contributing a lot more to our civilization.

Shalom!


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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 

 "Give it some time Muslims will again produce world class leaders, thinkers and innovators."

Is it a decade or hundred years? I would not hold my breath to see such great thinkers and innovators to emerge from vacuum
. Where is Muslim Harvard or MIT? If they are ever produced, they will be produced by non-Muslim countries.

Brother, more religion is not solution to anything. No country has improved it's economy with more temples, mosques and churches.
-SD


"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
Reading and reflecting on the holy Qurán is a idea for all people. However to get a scholarly level knowledge of Islam one needs to have information on the Hadith and fiqh as well.

As far as Muslims migrating to western world is concern, it has been part of human history. When Bengal was rich Arabs, Europeans and Persians immigrated and even (Europeans) colonized this part of the world. During dark ages of Europe, they traveled to southern Spain where Muslims were ruling for around 800 years. It has more to do with economics than religion in most cases.

There is NO disagreement that there are plenty of room to improve in most Muslim communities. That has more to do with history (Like colonization and land grab) than religion itself. Give it some time Muslims will again produce world class leaders, thinkers and innovators.  


Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
Read more Quran - it's such a good advice to the Muslim. 

--- On Tue, 1/1/13, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 10:42 AM

 
Please stop beating a dead horse! Studying a religious text book with further rigor would not serve a bit to our modern societies. The exercise would only aid religious bigots/zealots to take us to the dark days of the past that we would like to forget. No, thanks! The proof is in the pudding! Muslims are forced to migrate to other non Muslim countries for better life and education. So, more Quran is not the solution! Please sell this to the illiterates if that gives you pleasure and a free ticket to the heaven.

How do you facilitate creating an Islamic Newton or Einsteins amongst mediocre Muslims should be number one priority before Muslims loose the next game. Becoming more religious without scientific knowledge and critical thinking would only lead to a dead end and more misery. Follow the light, my dear friends!

With an Islamic constitution, Egypt has committed its first blunder. Minorities are already marginalized with that ironic democratic vote. Majority do not vote to limit minority rights. Think about Americans voting to limit Muslims rights? Would that be acceptable to you? Egypt can beat the dead horse but it won't get any mileage from the dead animal. It is sad to see Morsi becoming another Mubarak.
With regards,
Shah Deeldar 

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: mohammad miah <mahalim02@yahoo.com>
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
Thank you Mr. Qamruddin Chowdhury. I am agree with you. It very important for everybody to spend some moments of their time to learn about Islam. There are so many English translated Holy Quran, Hadith and Fiqh book is available and even there are so many Islamic Website you can find your answer too.
Thank you. May Allah blessed everyone with best Islamic knowledge.
 
Happy New to all.

From: qamruddin chowdhury <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
 
Quran, Hadis and Fiqh make our religion complete for abidance. Holy Quran, the divine book, was revealed to the last Prophet SAS.  And Holy Quran confirms that Rasul Allah SAS did not say anything about religion of his own.  So, Hadis is also explantions of Quran through the life, deeds and sayings of Rasul Allah SAS. Fiqh is Islamic jurisprudence and there is no contradiction in it in general.  The problem is with us so called followers of Islam who have no or little knowledge of Quran, Hadis or Fiqh but are masters of giving advice and opinions against Islamic jurisprudence.  Strictly speaking, we are today muslims by name or by birth but not by faith, except a few.   We may call ourselves anything, but in the end it's upto Allah SWT to accept us as Muslims or not. The very first questions in the grave will answer whether we are muslims or not. 
 
I request all through this forum to read the translations of the holy Quran translated by Abdulla Yusuf Ali (in English) and also the life of Prophet SAS (The Sealed Nector - available from hilalplaza.com).  This is very basic to our understanding and following.  And for informal education in a group Tablig jamat is the best without any political/worldly motives and invite you to spend four months with tablig jamat at the earliest opportunity to set the first foot in the way of aakheraat (our permanent abode).
 
Best wishes and regards.  
 
From: Taj Hashmi <taj_hashmi@hotmail.com>
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
 
Shariah is not only about chopping hands of thieves but also about enslaving women and minorities beacuse it is based on Hadis and Fiqh, not the Divine Holy Quran which is good for women and non-Muslims.

Happy New Year to All!

Taj Hashmi
To: alapon@yahoogroups.com From: qamruddinc@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 02:24:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America] 
Let Egypt lead.
 
By the way Sharia law does not contain only one rule, namely, chopping off of hands.  This extreme punishment is an exemplary punishment in a total secure state where there is no robbery or thuggery.  Why not implement all other Sharia laws if we call ourselves Muslims? 
 
Since we are not thieves, we do not have to be afraid of this extreme law also.  Only the thieves, robbers and thugs need to be afraid of Sharia law.  Yes, we want their hands or anything Sharia dictates chopped off, so that we normal human beings are kept safe, secure and sound.
 
 
From: Jamal Hasan <poplu@hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
 
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/will_egypt_become_a_totalitarian_state  Will Egypt become a totalitarian state?   The Muslim Brotherhood wants to control all aspects of the state and personal life after consolidating its power.
The Muslim Brotherhood has made another giant step forward in consolidating its rule in Egypt through the successful passage of the newly drafted constitution by some 64 percent of those who voted. Next come the parliamentary elections in two months through which the Brotherhood will regain control of the legislative branch. In the interim, it has stacked the upper house of Parliament, called the Shura Council, with its own members who will have the power to legislate until the new lower house is elected. President Mohammed Morsi has already successfully decapitated and made peace with the powerful Egyptian military. The new constitution has given him the power to purge the Supreme Constitutional Court by reducing its size from 18 to 11 members. The president of the Lawyers' Syndicate, Sameh Ashour, pointed out the goal: "These are monopolistic plans. The Brotherhood wants to control all aspects of the state." In other words, this will be a clean sweep. Why worry? Isn't Islamist democracy just a step on the way to democracy as it is understood in the West? Isn't that why the United States is supporting Egypt, and why the US administration has courted the Muslim Brotherhood since President Barack Obama seated its members in the front row for his famous speech in Cairo in 2009? Isn't this all part of the Arab spring? The novelist Saul Bellow once wrote that, "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep." To maintain the illusion that the Muslim Brotherhood is intent on transforming Egypt into a democracy requires the application of considerable ignorance. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 in reaction to Kemal Ataturk's abolition of the caliphate in 1924. Its ultimate aim is to restore the caliphate. Its vehicle for doing so, according to founder Hassan al-Banna, is a one-party system akin to that of the Soviet Union under Stalin. Al-Banna envisaged a bottom-up strategy in which people would be Islamized at the local level first. For this purpose, he created his party. After winning the masses, the Muslim Brotherhood would take total control. Why is total control necessary? The chief ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sayyid Qutb, wrote that, "Islam chose to unite earth and heaven in a single system." What does this mean? It means that the separate realms of the divine and the human have collapsed into each other, and that it will now be possible, as Qutb said, "to abolish all injustice from the earth." This, of course, is a millenarian vision similar, in many ways, to the Marxist dream of creating a classless society based on the abolition of scarcity. If perfect justice is to be achieved here, rather than before God's throne in the final judgment, several things will be required by those who institute it. They will, in fact, need the very same things that God is thought to possess in his ability to achieve perfect justice. Those two things are omnipotence and omniscience. The omnipotence will be gained through the establishment of a totalitarian regime. The omniscience will be obtained, as it always has been in totalitarian regimes, through an extensive secret police apparatus. What does the Brotherhood's version of Islam look like in this scheme? As indicated above, it does not look like a normal religion, which preserves the distinction between the earthly and the transcendent. It is a revolutionary ideology aimed at the total transformation of reality. Here is its view, as expressed by the de facto spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi: "Islam is a comprehensive school of thought, a creed, an ideology, and cannot be completely satisfied but by [completely] controlling society and directing all aspects of life, from how to enter the toilet to the construction of the state." However, some analysts suggest that, since its founding 84 years ago, the Muslim Brotherhood has evolved and, when in power, will evolve even more. This is always the hope of those who fail to recognize the essentially totalitarian nature of certain political movements and principles that are not subject to change. Similar hopes were expressed about the Nazi Party and various Marxist parties. They would mature in power, the exercise of which would transform them in a moderate direction. This, of course, did not happen, though these parties often fostered the impression that it was. Rather, these widely held illusions actually enabled these totalitarian parties to consolidate their power. The Muslim Brotherhood is a hard-core cadre party. It takes eight years of training to become a full member. Let us listen to the Brotherhood's leadership today concerning its mission and its prospects of changing. The Deputy Guide of the Brotherhood, Khairat al-Shater, said: "The mission is clear: restoring Islam and its all-encompassing conception; subjugating people to God; instituting the religion of God: the Islamization of life, empowering of God's religion; establishing the Nahda of the Ummah [Muslim nation] on the basis of Islam." As for change, al-Shater proclaimed that, "no one can come and say: 'let's change the overall mission'… No one can say, 'forget about obedience, discipline and structures'… No. All of these are constants that represent the fundamental framework for our method; the method of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is not open for developing or change." So, this is where Egypt is now headed. Some, such as Alber Saber, 27, who was accused of blasphemy this past fall, say of the Brotherhood, "They are no different from the former regime. The weapons have changed, but they are both oppressive regimes." He might very well wish this were so, but it is common experience that authoritarian regimes are considerably more limited in their reach and cruelty than totalitarian regimes. They wish to maintain power, but do not have the metaphysical ambition of transforming reality. This, in other words, will be worse than Mubarak. Sudanese writer Al-Hajj Warraq, got this exactly right in an Egyptian television interview earlier this year: "Democracy is about more than just the ballot box. Democracy is a culture engraved upon the cerebral box before it is the ballot box. One cannot talk about freedom in the absence of free minds. The tragedy of the Arab Spring is that when the tyrannical regimes fell, the fruits were reaped by movements that preach closed-mindedness, rather than free thinking. The outcome will be regimes that are worse than those that were toppled." As indicated earlier, totalitarian regimes, before achieving total control, can display considerable tactical flexibility. When the economy of the Soviet Union was near a state of collapse in the 1920s, Vladimir Lenin had no trouble in instituting a limited free market New Economic Policy, which was later revoked once the danger had passed. The Soviets were expert in creating the impression that they were changing in some fundamental way in order to gain aid from the West to save the revolution. The Muslim Brotherhood has already displayed this kind of tactical dexterity through its use of democratic rhetoric and elections to gain assistance from the West and to lull its opponents. As the Islamist Prime Minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan once said, "democracy is just the train we board to reach our destination." Displaying this kind of flexibility, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, suggested that Islamic law, sharia, should be implemented gradually in Egypt: "I think that in the first five years, there should be no chopping off of hands." One must prepare the ground first. However, the final destination has been clear from the beginning. Brotherhood founder al-Banna announced: "it is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its laws on all nations and extend its power to the entire planet." Stop the train: I want to get off.Robert R. Reilly is a member of the board of the Middle East Media Research Institute and the author of The Closing of the Muslim Mind.






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