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Wednesday, October 5, 2011

[ALOCHONA] India launches Aakash tablet computer priced at $35



India launches Aakash tablet computer priced at $35


Millions of students will have access to the tablets

India shows $35 'iPad' prototype India plans cheap laptop '$100 laptop' targets older class India has launched what it says is the world's cheapest touch-screen tablet computer, priced at just $35 (£23).Costing a fraction of Apple's iPad, the subsidised Aakash is aimed at students.

It supports web browsing and video conferencing, has a three-hour battery life and two USB ports, but questions remain over how it will perform. Officials hope the computer will give digital access to students in small towns and villages across India, which lags behind its rivals in connectivity.

At the launch in the Indian capital, Delhi, Human Resource Development Minister Kapil Sibal handed out 500 Aakash (meaning sky) tablets to students who will test them.He said the government planned to buy 100,000 of the tablets. It hopes to distribute 10 million of the devices to students over the next few years.

"The rich have access to the digital world, the poor and ordinary have been excluded. Aakash will end that digital divide," Mr Sibal said.

The Aakash has been developed by UK-based company DataWind and Indian Institute of Technology (Rajasthan).
It is due to be assembled in India, at DataWind's new production centre in the southern city of Hyderabad.

"Our goal was to break the price barrier for computing and internet access," DataWind CEO Suneet Singh Tuli said.
"We've created a product that will finally bring affordable computing and internet access to the masses." The company says it will also offer a commercial version of the tablet, called UbiSlate. It is expected to hit the shelves later this year, retailing for about $60.

Usability questions

Mr Sibal says the device will enhance learning in India.Experts say it does have the potential to make a huge difference to the country's education, particularly in rural areas where schools and students do not have access to libraries and up-to-date information.

Mr Sibal (right) hopes the tablet will end the 'digital divide' But critics say it is too early to say how the Aakash will be received as most cheap tablets in the past have turned out to be painfully slow.

"The thing with cheap tablets is most of them turn out to be unusable," Rajat Agrawal of technology reviewers BGR India told Reuters news agency. "They don't have a very good touch screen, and they are usually very slow."

Critics also point out that an earlier cheap laptop plan by the same ministry came to nothing. In 2009, it announced plans for a laptop priced as low as $10, raising eyebrows and triggering worldwide media interest. But there was disappointment after the "Sakshat" turned out to be a prototype of a hand-held device, with an unspecified price tag, that never materialised.

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[ALOCHONA] The Tagore family



The Tagore family

A.Laurel (Larry) Chowdhury

A deep examination of Andrew Robinson and Krishna Dutta in conjunction with
several other texts reveals this fact. Besides these if one probes to the
history of Calcutta then easily finds these hypocrites how became
multi-millionaire since then. Not only financial gainer but they became first
ANGLICIZED Hindus using TAGORE as their name. First, the forefather of
Rabindranath Tagore of 1765 learnt English and became a translator by 1772 in
Warren Hastings' home and office. He consumed properties from Maharaja Krishna
Chandra (Roy) of Krishnanagar (Nadia District of West Bengal) by supporting him
against Nawab Siraj-ud-dowla. Quickly his anti-Siraj and pro-British hypocrisy
was submerged into the Hooghly River as he became a known qualified ENGLISH
speaker and learner. He is regarded as the first English speaker of the
sub-continent. His descendents settled on both sides of the Hooghly River by
1785.

By 1828 Dwarakanath Tagore became a so-called Brahmo, a group of hypocrites.
These types of hypocrites are exactly similar to those now found in the modern
day Islamia and Nizamia Restaurants of Calcutta for eating beef-plates of
variety kababs using Western slacks. The Brahmos were just like them. Where are
those Brahmos today? What do they do? The hypocrite Tagore Family conducted
several Hindu Pujas including celebrated Maa-Durga Puja in Jorasanko (on
Dwarakanath Tagore lane) since 1866 on a regular basis. What kind of Brahmos
were these Tagores?

Just have another look on the Tagores. Rabindranath looked for a Hindu from
Barisal as a candidate for Mira Devi, his celebrated daughter. This Hindu had
to be a Mukherjee, not an ordinary Brahmo. He needed Brhaman-Brahmo for Mira
Devi. This was the Brahmo-ism of Dwarakanath-Ram-Mohan partnership. This Hindu
Brahman from Barisal became the son-in-law of Rabindranath but remained in
jeopardy until his death in 1956 in U.K. as Professor of Botany and Biology
since 1926. Mira Devi never had any chance to meet him during these years as
Mukherjee became family enemy. However, since 1945 Mukherjee arranged
celebration of his father-in-law's birthday in public places until he died.

Also he displayed Gitanjali all over the map of U.K. This Mukherjee was
originally educated at Urbana-Champaign (University of Illinois) with a
Bachelor's degree in Agriculture and Biology. By 1920 he did not succeed with a
Lecturer position at the Calcutta University despite strong influence on
Ashutosh Mukherjee (the then Vice Chancellor) by Rabindranath. Biologist
Mukherjee ultimately left British India for U.K. for his doctoral degree and
remained there until death. Mira Devi began spending life as a pseudo divorcee
lady.

Brahmos are the greatest hypocrites of the sub-continent that Ram Mohan Roy
generated. All most all family members of Rabindranath had access to Persian
and Arabic language. Many of them were as fluent just as they were in English.
Often these Tagores enjoyed Khasir Maangsho and Jhol with Polao cooked by the
Muslims. Ram Mohan Roy was no less than that. Their dress was as good as
imported dress by the ruling class in Delhi or Dacca or Murshidabad. The fact
is that each of them were very highly educated but at the same time they were
very good hypocrites.

Ram Mohan Roy died in Bristol and buried there. He was not fortunately cremated
for mysterious reason(s). History witnesses that Tagores and many other
non-Brahmin Bromos (usually from Barisal) were cremated. A great difference in
practicing Braahmo-ism indeed!! Mentality was HINDU but outer jacket was Brahmo
for them. It is a joke that many Hindus were fooled by these hypocrites. Ram
Mohan Roy was a founder of the group members comprising the hypocrites. Many
Hindus from Barisal were Brahmos but they were not Brahmins. Brojo Mohan Sen
(commonly known as B. M. Sen) was a generous person known as Brahmo and
contributed in Bangladesh. After his name B. M. College in Barisal goes today.
As of then Brahman-Brhmo, Kshatriyo-Brahmo, Baishya-Brahmo, and Shudra-Brahmo were formed. But Shudra Brahmo was not effective as Shudras never could raise their head while the Brahmans and Brahmin-Brahmos were around there.

Getting back to Tagores, one may find that Tagores pioneered many things not
only in the Bengali-speaking land but entire sub-continent under British rule.
Their forefathers were never been Zaminders or leaders or millionaires. Only in
1765 the fortune wheel turned toward them when they got out of Jessore (now
within Indian Territory under 24 Parganas). Dwarakanath adopted a title PRINCE
for which he never knew which kingdom he belonged for such a title. Was he a
crown less descendent of a King like that of the Agha Khan family?

In 1863 Rabindranath's one elder brother became the first ICS (Indian Civil
Service/Servant). Rabindranath was the first Indian to receive Nobel Prize in
1913 by lobbying the Nobel Committee since 1911. First Chemical and Textile
Industries were established at the banks of Hooghly River during early 1800s by
the Tagores of Jorasanko and Pathurighata. Tagores were the front runner of the
Dramas in Calcutta. First renowned painter was communal Abanindranath Tagore

Most Tikiwalas of Calcutta are the Richawpullers and hail from Orissa since the
British days. One actress appeared in the Bengali film from the Tagore family
in 1920s. Many scriptwriters of the movies came forward from the Tagores too.
Just go to the Telephone Directory of Hooghly and Calcutta one may see pages
after pages bearing the last name TAGORE having phones. Each one of them is now
involved in various professions. No other single family within the Bengali-speaking people has such a voluminous Telephone Directory pages. This is the case around the world too.

Other than the British, no single person except for Tagores owned ship during
British era. Name any arena where Tagores were not front runner. The only arena
one may find is the scientific and technical arena. But again Chemical and
Textile Industries were founded by them across the Hooghly River. They were
good in Music too. Championship extends almost everywhere. What about Cricket?
No, they are not found in Eden Garden. Pearson Surita or Viji (Mharaja of
Vijaykumar) could not utter TAGORE in his running commentary from Eden Garden.
What about Soccer or Foot-ball? Same hypothesis applies there too. That is
about the Champions of the Brahmos.

Regarding H. S. Suhrawady, Waheeduzzaman may add that his maternal uncle,
Abdullah Suhrawardy, was the first Muslim Vice Chancellor of Calcutta
University during early 1930s. Waheeduzzaman must assert that H. S. Suhrawardy
never did riots in Calcutta as the Hindus propagate. If he had done so then
Hindu champion Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi would not have saved his life.
Whaeeduzzaman has collected a massive list of references on Suhrawardy. He
should write a detailed biography stating everything in detail on him. Audience
may prefer such a detailed essay.

Chitta Ranjan Das was pulled in the scenario. Regarding C. R. Das it is genuine
to say that if he would have been alive in conjunction with Subhas Chandra
Bose, it is doubtful whether Bengali-speaking land would have ever divided. The
Brahmos and Brahmins of Calcutta or West Bengal would not have influenced or
persuaded the British to divide Bengal. When division was talked via Hooghly
River then the upper class Hindus of the Eastern part of Bengal shook hands
with the Calcutta Babus to keep Calcutta within the Delhi administration.

http://www.mombu.com/culture/bangladesh/t-robindronut-family-history-of-angrez-kutta-giri-3231943.html



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[ALOCHONA] Minority Islam in Muslim Majority Bangladesh [1 Attachment]

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"Minority Islam" in Muslim Majority Bangladesh: The Violent Road to a New Brand of Secularism

Abstract:
More than 85% of Bangladesh's 150 million people are Muslims. Bangladesh earns its title as "the third largest Muslim country of the world" following Indonesia and Pakistan because of its enormous size of Muslim population. Their religion, Islam, is however becoming a "minority" day by day. While Muslims in the West—in spite of being a minority—are enjoying their basic religious freedom, this basic right is increasingly being denied to the Muslims in Bangladesh while it continues to aspire to become a "uniquely secular" society. Based on a robust content analysis and interviews, the study shows that the current regime in Bangladesh has taken on a comprehensive policy of secularization with an aim to emasculate Islamic influence from political and social landscape of Bangladesh.

Apart from undermining basic religious freedom of Muslims, the policy—which turns out to be both aggressive and violent—is increasingly becoming hostile to democratic principles, rule of law, freedom of movement, and political pluralism.


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[ALOCHONA] Awami brutality



Awami brutality

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Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.



Nihar Sing might be a member of ISKCON, but Tagore was not.  According to Geeta, Krishna says, he is Skanda, i.e., Sikander/Alexander the Macedonian!  Thus, Krishna is not a historical reality.  His cult was dominant before the Mughal era.  If even one considers Janaganamana Adhinayaka as the supreme God, Lord Ganesh can aspire for the title.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:16 PM, nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

It is interesting that you are eliminating Lord Krishna. Are you saying that Lord Krishna doesnt hold our reins through the ages. That my friend is a wrong assumption. Krishna is god and Tagore's intuitive mind very precisely was referring to Lord Krishna and no one else.



--- On Mon, 10/3/11, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 9:56 PM



Janaganamana was neither about Lord Krishna nor about King George the 5th. Please read the following.
 
 
On 10 November 1937 Tagore wrote a letter to Mr Pulin Bihari Sen about the controversy. That letter in Bengali can be found in Tagore's biography Ravindrajivani, volume II page 339 by Prabhatkumar Mukherjee.
"A certain high official in His Majesty's service, who was also my friend, had requested that I write a song of felicitation towards the Emperor. The request simply amazed me. It caused a great stir in my heart. In response to that great mental turmoil, I pronounced the victory in Jana Gana Mana of that Bhagya Vidhata [ed. God of Destiny] of India who has from age after age held steadfast the reins of India's chariot through rise and fall, through the straight path and the curved. That Lord of Destiny, that Reader of the Collective Mind of India, that Perennial Guide, could never be George V, George VI, or any other George. Even my official friend understood this about the song. After all, even if his admiration for the crown was excessive, he was not lacking in simple common sense."
Again in his letter of 19 March 1939 Tagore writes,
"I should only insult myself if I cared to answer those who consider me capable of such unbounded stupidity as to sing in praise of George the Fourth or George the Fifth as the Eternal Charioteer leading the pilgrims on their journey through countless ages of the timeless history of mankind." (Purvasa, Phalgun, 1354, p738.)


From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
 
How do you know what Tagore thought when he wrote that song? He was a poet; he could be thinking any imaginary supernatural power, who he thought running Bharat. Krishna never ran Bharat. Did He? It's all guess and speculations. I think - British were right, most of the characters in the Hindu scriptures are mythological characters.
 
Jiten Roy --- On Mon, 10/3/11, nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 11:38 AM

 
Dear All,
Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna. Please read the short article at
For the complete article read it at 
Please forward this mail to as many people as you can. The British created the myth that our gods and goddesses are mythological characters. This is not true and our Vedic scriptures confirm it. First we must get this sorted out before we create a plan for 2020 in my opinion.
Regards,
Nihar Singh





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[ALOCHONA] Lawmaker the 'land-gobbler'




Lawmaker the 'land-gobbler'


His 2 firms filling up water body, forcing locals to sell their lands in 'national interest'; MP Aslamul Haque denies

A digger operates to fill up the Buriganga at Waaspur on the outskirts of the capital. The poles sticking out of the water are markers up to which the river would be occupied. Two private electricity companies are filling up this portion of the river to install two power plants and build an amusement park. Photo: Anisur RahmanMorshed Ali Khan
Two private power companies are indiscriminately filling up a khas (govt-owned) water body and private land by the Buriganga river forcing the local people to sell their land to the companies-- all in the name of setting up two power plants and an amusement park.
Land owners in Looterchar and Waaspur across the Buriganga are too terrified to complain about the matter. They said Awami League lawmaker from Dhaka-4 constituency Mohammad Aslamul Haque is chairman of the two companies that are implementing the project.
"We were first told that we have to sell our land to facilitate setting up power plants in national interest," said a local land owner asking not to be named. "But we became suspicious as they [companies] started filling up low-lying land one after another not even bothering to ask the owners."
The local people also alleged that part of the Buriganga has also been grabbed by the companies-- Dhaka West Power Ltd and CLC Power Company Ltd. Besides, they have filled up the mouth of what remained of Atir Khal, a canal that used to connect Buriganga with vast areas of Keraniganj.
The huge water body on the northern side of the project site, which retains water round the year and greatly helps irrigation for farming, has been demarcated with bamboo poles for filling up. Part of the water body has already been filled up with dredging spoils from the project.
"They (companies) started filling up the area and then asked us to see them with land deeds," said a local man with 10 kathas of land. "They offered me Tk 4 lakh for each katha but when I went to take the money, a dalal [middleman] of the company deducted 20 percent from the payment."
When this correspondent contacted the companies' office at Dhanmondi, General Manager Anwar Hossain said they require 45 acres of land in the area to set up two power plants and an amusement park.
"The local people have enthusiastically offered their land for the project of such national interest, we have not grabbed an inch there," said Anwar. "The water body that we demarcated is not khas, we are trying to buy it from the local people."
He also said, "The power plants are expected to be connected to the national grid by June next year."
Asked, Aslamul Haque said his companies have bought land at fair price from the owners who have willingly come forward to sell that for this national project.
"It is not true that we shall set up an amusement park, and it is out of the question that we have demarcated the water body or khas land on the northern side [of the project]. We do not need any khas land," said the ruling party lawmaker, contradicting what his companies' general manager said.
"Bangladesh Inland Water Transport Authority has issued us a certificate mentioning that we have not grabbed any part of the Buriganga. And we are soon obtaining environmental clearance certificate from the Department of Environment (DoE)," Aslamul said.
Mohammad Shajahan, DoE director (technical) and convenor of the Environmental Clearance Committee, told The Daily Star that since power plants are categorised in the red, his office has scrutinised the companies' application and asked them to produce all land documents and clearances from BIWTA and the deputy commissioner's office.
"We have asked them to provide the certificate mentioning that the river or any wetland has not been filled up for the project," Shahjahan added.
In February this year, a DoE enforcement team filed a case against Aslamul with Keraniganj Police Station accusing him of starting a project for power plant without environmental clearance, filling up and polluting the Buriganga.
DoE sources said they had also seized four bulldozers from the site and put a ban on the project work. Later, the companies procured a certificate from BIWTA which cleared them of occupying the river.
"On the basis of the BIWTA certificate, the companies restarted the work although the ban has not been lifted yet," said a DoE enforcement official.


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Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.



JitenDa
When you believe that "I am thankful to British for their help in rebuilding India with their modern amenities, education systems, and judiciaries. Yes, they took some wealth back to England. Why not? You do not expect everything for free. Do you? After all, they came to India for business and occupied India for 200 years. They could have taken everything without investing a penny in India", I must say that Singh is right when he/she says that "our (please read 'your') thoughts are still controlled by British."
 
They did not do any thing out of love for the Indians. Every thing good we got was spillovers. Colonial exploitation was endless. Please reflect on what you have read from a typical history book. Think about indigo and poppy cultivation. Think how they put Tajmahal on auction to sell expensive stones after robbing all the gold and other precious metals and stones. Think about Jalianwalabag massacre, the way they retalitaed the sepoy mutiny, and countless other mischiefs. They did only that much as was necessay to carry out their business. Think about in what conditions they left India before running away.   
 
Your comment or love for British rule is not surprising as many among us cherish the same view. That's why it is really thought provoking and as such can be a good topic for debate.
 
Think about a scenario: British did not colonize India. Where would India stand today? Did India really need a colonial master to be what she is today? Could she be better?
 
Please, everybody, put ypour inputs.
 
Regards.
 
-Subimal 

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
 
This is what I think – most of Tagore's writing is directed to an imaginary deity. He never revealed what it was. As far as I know -Tagore never mentioned any particular deity in his writings. He was, obviously, aware the existence of this extraordinary spirit, and knew that the source was within him, not anywhere else, meaning it did not come from the sky. He mostly communicated with this spirit through his poems. We all have our own spirit within ourselves. We feel its presence, but cannot give a form to it. That is the God, I believe.
 
This particular poem in question was about praising the King of Bharat, and you cannot depict a King without a chariot. Chariot was not the vehicle of Shree Krishna; he rode one with Arjun as the Charioteer during the Kurukhetra War. So, Chariot does not explain the fact. And conch was like the bugle in those days.
 
You said – your mental speculation is based on eternal truth. I think - the truth is – we don't know the truth.
 
You think India is still under British rule, because our thoughts are still controlled by British. Let's make a mental picture of India in 2011, without the British rule. Shall we? What do you see? I see a nation somewhere in 12th or 13th century. Let me know what you see. Therefore, if you ask me – I am thankful to British for their help in rebuilding India with their modern amenities, education systems, and judiciaries. Yes, they took some wealth back to England. Why not? You do not expect everything for free. Do you? After all, they came to India for business and occupied India for 200 years. They could have taken everything without investing a penny in India. It seems to me that your thoughts are blinded by propaganda, so you are unable to see the benefits of the British rule.
 
Now, about mythological characters – my thought process is not influence by British. When I was born, British left India. If you use rational thinking, you will see the same. Let me give you a specific example of a mythological character. I was watching television the other day, and they were showing Durga Puja festivities in Kolkata. In just one Puja, they spent 40 million rupees to build the deity, and, so far, they already spent about 100 million rupees for this Puja. As soon as this Puja will be over, the same TV station will start showing us starving people dying on the street of Kolkata. Do you think Durga-Ma will relieve their pain and suffering? Now, tell me - what else we could do with that money. How about homeless/destitute senior citizen centers or boarding school for orphans?  Don't you think that would please God more? I think so.
 
Anyway, these are my personal views, not influenced by anybody or anything. Thanks for initiating the discussion, and exchanging your thoughts.  
 
Jiten Roy
--- On Tue, 10/4/11, nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 11:11 AM

 
I have logically deduced it from Tagore's writings. Who else is an Eternal Charioteer, who possesses a conch. You are underestimating both Tagore and his works. It is mental speculation but it is based on the highest truths. If Tagore were a liar anybody can become a Tagore. It is truth that differentiates Tagore from the rest of the poets. British rule still exists in India and the beliefs that they imposed on us are very much alive and well supported by us.



--- On Mon, 10/3/11, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 8:25 PM

How do you know what Tagore thought when he wrote that song? He was a poet; he could be thinking any imaginary supernatural power, who he thought running Bharat. Krishna never ran Bharat. Did He? It's all guess and speculations. I think - British were right, most of the characters in the Hindu scriptures are mythological characters.
 
Jiten Roy--- On Mon, 10/3/11, nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 11:38 AM

 
Dear All,
Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna. Please read the short article at
For the complete article read it at 
Please forward this mail to as many people as you can. The British created the myth that our gods and goddesses are mythological characters. This is not true and our Vedic scriptures confirm it. First we must get this sorted out before we create a plan for 2020 in my opinion.
Regards,
Nihar Singh


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Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.



Hard to argue with a "believer" like you. We need rational thinking and objective analysis. Faith-based discussion will take us nowhere. Presence of Madhabacharyya and the likes cannot be the sole criterion to judge a particular time in history.  

From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
 
Well if you read the article Eternal Charioteer which Tagore has mentioned can only refer to Lord Krishna since he is both eternal and a charioteer at the same time. There are other proofs in the article as well that it is Lord Krishna and not some arbitrary diety created by Tagore. I think the India of the 12th century is far better than the present India. Atleast we had people like Madhavacharya who were representatives of God to show us the way. Now we are going like a rudderless ship.Look at Britain today reduced to a tiny island by the law of karma. So Britain is suffering the results of their unlawful domination of the world and I am happy for that. 
The only way India can win is by going back to its "mythological" roots. Otherwise you are no better than whites in brown skin.--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 6:36 PM

This is what I think – most of Tagore's writing is directed to an imaginary deity. He never revealed what it was. As far as I know -Tagore never mentioned any particular deity in his writings. He was, obviously, aware the existence of this extraordinary spirit, and knew that the source was within him, not anywhere else, meaning it did not come from the sky. He mostly communicated with this spirit through his poems. We all have our own spirit within ourselves. We feel its presence, but cannot give a form to it. That is the God, I believe.
 
This particular poem in question was about praising the King of Bharat, and you cannot depict a King without a chariot. Chariot was not the vehicle of Shree Krishna; he rode one with Arjun as the Charioteer during the Kurukhetra War. So, Chariot does not explain the fact. And conch was like the bugle in those days.
 
You said – your mental speculation is based on eternal truth. I think - the truth is – we don't know the truth.
 
You think India is still under British rule, because our thoughts are still controlled by British. Let's make a mental picture of India in 2011, without the British rule. Shall we? What do you see? I see a nation somewhere in 12th or 13th century. Let me know what you see. Therefore, if you ask me – I am thankful to British for their help in rebuilding India with their modern amenities, education systems, and judiciaries. Yes, they took some wealth back to England. Why not? You do not expect everything for free. Do you? After all, they came to India for business and occupied India for 200 years. They could have taken everything without investing a penny in India. It seems to me that your thoughts are blinded by propaganda, so you are unable to see the benefits of the British rule.
 
Now, about mythological characters – my thought process is not influence by British. When I was born, British left India. If you use rational thinking, you will see the same. Let me give you a specific example of a mythological character. I was watching television the other day, and they were showing Durga Puja festivities in Kolkata. In just one Puja, they spent 40 million rupees to build the deity, and, so far, they already spent about 100 million rupees for this Puja. As soon as this Puja will be over, the same TV station will start showing us starving people dying on the street of Kolkata. Do you think Durga-Ma will relieve their pain and suffering? Now, tell me - what else we could do with that money. How about homeless/destitute senior citizen centers or boarding school for orphans?  Don't you think that would please God more? I think so.
 
Anyway, these are my personal views, not influenced by anybody or anything. Thanks for initiating the discussion, and exchanging your thoughts.  
 
Jiten Roy
--- On Tue, 10/4/11, nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 11:11 AM

 
I have logically deduced it from Tagore's writings. Who else is an Eternal Charioteer, who possesses a conch. You are underestimating both Tagore and his works. It is mental speculation but it is based on the highest truths. If Tagore were a liar anybody can become a Tagore. It is truth that differentiates Tagore from the rest of the poets. British rule still exists in India and the beliefs that they imposed on us are very much alive and well supported by us.



--- On Mon, 10/3/11, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 8:25 PM

How do you know what Tagore thought when he wrote that song? He was a poet; he could be thinking any imaginary supernatural power, who he thought running Bharat. Krishna never ran Bharat. Did He? It's all guess and speculations. I think - British were right, most of the characters in the Hindu scriptures are mythological characters.
 
Jiten Roy--- On Mon, 10/3/11, nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna - Logically Proved.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 11:38 AM

 
Dear All,
Tagore wrote Jana Gana Mana For Lord Krishna. Please read the short article at
For the complete article read it at 
Please forward this mail to as many people as you can. The British created the myth that our gods and goddesses are mythological characters. This is not true and our Vedic scriptures confirm it. First we must get this sorted out before we create a plan for 2020 in my opinion.
Regards,
Nihar Singh


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