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Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do



I meant to delete what I sent as blank to mukto-mona just a minute back. But let me make a quick comment anyway on Dr. Roy's observation.

I think the real problem for Pakistan now is its people, who have been getting brainwashed with stupidity and hatred for too long.


From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do

 
The source of most troubles in Pakistan is their military Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI). Pakistan has been under the control of ISI ever since it's birth. It is the king of the land under the Military rule, which becomes a paper tiger in a democratic system. Therefore, ISI will never like democracy in Pakistan, and there is no easy way out of this system also. Just hoping for democracy will not do it. Bangladesh has shown one way out; Baluchistan is going towards that direction.

Jiten Roy


--- On Wed, 3/20/13, Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do
To: "Shah Deeldar" <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Cc: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>, "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>, "india-unity@yahoogroups.com" <india-unity@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 5:52 PM

 
If you think RAW and CIA are not, and were not, involved in Pakistan then there is not much more to be said.  You did talk about genocide in Baluchistan and that is a valid concern.  As is the killing of Shias and Christians.  That Middle Ages thinking has been imported from Saudi Arabia - another reason why Pakistan would do better without foreign interference.  And let's hope we can deal with the madrasahs in Bangladesh before we have a similar problem.  BTW I hope you will be just as vocal about the genocide of Urdu speaking in Bangladesh and ask for justice for them in the war crimes tribunals too.  You are right the Pakistani military is the elephant in the room - let's hope their next government does better.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Some people might still be living in the middle ages and that is the problem! I am sure you know exactly who live in what centuries in current Bangladesh. What I understood from your post is that it were CIA, RAW and other heinous spy agencies have had some thing to gain for not letting Pakistani democracy to flourish. That is pure rubbish. If Srilankans and Indians could stick to their democracies, why could not Pakistanis? Other needs to be blamed because Pakistanis loved their strong military men?

Pakistan broke apart because it did not have the democracy. The history will probably repeat itself again with Balochis taking their own path to independence. 

I am glad that PPP could fulfill their full term but I am not sure whether civilian government had the real power. Pakistani military is still the elephant in the room. That is why Indians and others would rather deal with Pakistani military than Pakistani civilian government

-SD    


 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

Oh dear - I see that this is a wider group than pfc friends, but that's okay.  Are you sure you are not still in the 20th. century? :)  Actually I am Bangladeshi and have moved on from the past which is why I don't hold any grudges against Pakistan.  I assure you it is very liberating to free oneself of that anger, though it wasn't easy, and I had to do a lot of self-therapy to get there.   Since it is now 42 years since the military government of Pakistan committed genocide in our homeland, I am more interested in peace in South Asia where we don't go around destabilizing each other.  I am hoping for India-Pakistan-Bangladesh unity. Besides I don't like kicking anyone, even an old enemy when they are down, nor do I hold anything against the people of Pakistan who are just as decent as the people of India and Bangladesh.  Peace!

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is 21st century my friend! Time to grow up and walk!
I hope you are not committing the same genocidal crimes in Balochistan as you have done in Bangladesh. Good luck with your democracy if you really got one?
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:17 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do

 
Pakistan has just marked an important milestone by completing for the first time in its history, the full term of a democratically elected civilian government.  Let's hope RAW and CIA give Pakistan and its people a chance to find their own way out of the many problems that have been created by foreign interference.  And may the upcoming elections result in better leadership for Pakistan - Inshallah!

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://pakpotpourri2.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/breaking-up-is-not-hard-to-do/

Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do



The source of most troubles in Pakistan is their military Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI). Pakistan has been under the control of ISI ever since it's birth. It is the king of the land under the Military rule, which becomes a paper tiger in a democratic system. Therefore, ISI will never like democracy in Pakistan, and there is no easy way out of this system also. Just hoping for democracy will not do it. Bangladesh has shown one way out; Baluchistan is going towards that direction.


Jiten Roy



--- On Wed, 3/20/13, Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do
To: "Shah Deeldar" <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Cc: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>, "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>, "india-unity@yahoogroups.com" <india-unity@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 5:52 PM

 

If you think RAW and CIA are not, and were not, involved in Pakistan then there is not much more to be said.  You did talk about genocide in Baluchistan and that is a valid concern.  As is the killing of Shias and Christians.  That Middle Ages thinking has been imported from Saudi Arabia - another reason why Pakistan would do better without foreign interference.  And let's hope we can deal with the madrasahs in Bangladesh before we have a similar problem.  BTW I hope you will be just as vocal about the genocide of Urdu speaking in Bangladesh and ask for justice for them in the war crimes tribunals too.  You are right the Pakistani military is the elephant in the room - let's hope their next government does better.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Some people might still be living in the middle ages and that is the problem! I am sure you know exactly who live in what centuries in current Bangladesh. What I understood from your post is that it were CIA, RAW and other heinous spy agencies have had some thing to gain for not letting Pakistani democracy to flourish. That is pure rubbish. If Srilankans and Indians could stick to their democracies, why could not Pakistanis? Other needs to be blamed because Pakistanis loved their strong military men?

Pakistan broke apart because it did not have the democracy. The history will probably repeat itself again with Balochis taking their own path to independence. 

I am glad that PPP could fulfill their full term but I am not sure whether civilian government had the real power. Pakistani military is still the elephant in the room. That is why Indians and others would rather deal with Pakistani military than Pakistani civilian government

-SD    


 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

Oh dear - I see that this is a wider group than pfc friends, but that's okay.  Are you sure you are not still in the 20th. century? :)  Actually I am Bangladeshi and have moved on from the past which is why I don't hold any grudges against Pakistan.  I assure you it is very liberating to free oneself of that anger, though it wasn't easy, and I had to do a lot of self-therapy to get there.   Since it is now 42 years since the military government of Pakistan committed genocide in our homeland, I am more interested in peace in South Asia where we don't go around destabilizing each other.  I am hoping for India-Pakistan-Bangladesh unity. Besides I don't like kicking anyone, even an old enemy when they are down, nor do I hold anything against the people of Pakistan who are just as decent as the people of India and Bangladesh.  Peace!

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is 21st century my friend! Time to grow up and walk!
I hope you are not committing the same genocidal crimes in Balochistan as you have done in Bangladesh. Good luck with your democracy if you really got one?
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com>
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Cc: "india-unity@yahoogroups.com" <india-unity@yahoogroups.com>; "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:17 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do

 
Pakistan has just marked an important milestone by completing for the first time in its history, the full term of a democratically elected civilian government.  Let's hope RAW and CIA give Pakistan and its people a chance to find their own way out of the many problems that have been created by foreign interference.  And may the upcoming elections result in better leadership for Pakistan - Inshallah!

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://pakpotpourri2.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/breaking-up-is-not-hard-to-do/

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[mukto-mona] Fwd: list of Bangladeshi Student organizations from different Universities attending to show solidarity with Shahbag





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Dear  Friends,         (Forwarded message from the organisers).

 Solidarity Program in Washington DC on March 24,2013.  Students from   Washington DC, Maryland and Virginias will join the rally. Media persons both from electronic and print have been request to cover the program.
  
   Bangladeshi Students  from different Universities will attend  a rally to express solidarity with Shahbag on  March 24,2013 At Dupon Circle in Washington along with other student organisations in different cities of the World. Regards, organizers.
 

Below is the list of Bangladeshi Student organizations from different Universities attending rally to express solidarity with Shahbag 
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Aalto University, Finland
... Adelaide, Australia: Open Event. (Friday at 6.00 pm at corner of north Tce & king William st....close to parliament house)
Asian Institute of Technology, Thailand. In front of Korea House(Friday, February 8, 9PM)
Auburn University, AL, USA (Sat, Feb 9, 5:45pm, Outside Samford Hall, Auburn University)
Boston, Massachusetts, USA (Feb 15, 6:00pm https://www.facebook.com/events/421014821315946/)
Brisbane: Open Event. (https://www.facebook.com/events/140782836084654/?ref=3)
Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada on Feb 10 at 5pm at University Centre.
Chalmers University Of Technology and Gothenburg University, Gothenburg, Sweden
(https://www.facebook.com/events/507252699315757/)
Chandler, AZ: Open Event (https://www.facebook.com/events/478247725569286/)
Clemson University, South Carolina, USA
Colorado State University, CO, USA
Concordia University, Canada (Tuesday, Feb 13)
Cornell University, NY, USA
Dalhousie University, Nova Scotia, Canada
Delhi, India: Open Event (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151742656758902.622495.773088901&type=1)
Dublin, Ireland: Open Event (https://www.facebook.com/events/420750284679929/?ref=3)
Florida International University, FL, USA
Georgia Tech University, GA, USA (In front of campus, 02/10 at 1 pm )
Georgia State University, GA, USA (Friday, Feb 15)
Ghent university, Ghent, Belgium (Feb 16, Saturday)
Gifu, Japan: Open Event (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151316994834075.472032.662674074&type=1)
Iowa State University, Iowa, USA (02/09/2013 @ 3: 00 p.m)
KAIST, Daejon, Korea
Kaiserslautern, Germany
Kolkata Book Fair: Open Event, Kolkata, India (https://www.facebook.com/events/344136059032398/?ref=3)
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
K.U. Leuven (Catholic University of Leuven), Belgium.
Kumamoto University, Japan.
London, UK 1: Open Event (8 Feb-Friday, 5.30pm. Venue: Montifiore Center,E1 5HZ.)
London, UK 2: Open Event (8 Feb-Friday, 2.00pm. Venue: Altab Ali Park)
London, UK 3: In front of BBC
London, UK 4: 10 Downing Street (18Feb-Monday)
(https://www.facebook.com/events/204992782979811/?notif_t=plan_user_invited)
Los Angeles, CA: Open évent (Feb 17, Sunday)(http://www.facebook.com/events/558657090825735/)
Louisiana State University, Louisiana, USA
Louisiana Tech University, Ruston, Louisiana, USA (University Student Center, Saturday, Feb 9 (4 P.M.))
Massachusetts Institute of Technology + Harvard University +
Nagoya, Japan: Open event
Northeastern University, Massachusetts, USA
(https://www.facebook.com/events/209783019167203/?ref=3)
Manchester, UK: Open Event (Bangladesh Community Centre)
McGill University, Quebec, Canada (Date: Saturday 6 PM, Venue: SSMU Building, Rue McTavish)
McMaster University" (13th February, 2013, 3:00PM to5:00PM ET, Infront of Mills Library (upper level))
Melbourne, Australia: Open Event (https://www.facebook.com/events/205104412968840/?ref=3)
Memorial University of Newfoundland, Newfoundland, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/events/155820591237211/?ref=3)
Michigan State University (feb 9, at 4 pm. )
Minnesota State University Mankato
Mumbai University, Mumbai, India
New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM, USA. (Feb 10th 4pm)
New York, USA: Open Event (February 9th at 7pm at Jackson Heights --
https://www.facebook.com/events/426093447471588/?ref=3)
North Carolina A&T State University, North Carolina, USA
North Carolina State University, North Carolina, USA (Feb 6, Thursday)
Northwestern University, IL, USA
Odessa National Medical University, Odessa, Ukraine (Sat, Feb 9, 16:00, Main Building)
Ohio State University, Ohio, USA
Oklahoma State University, Oklahoma, USA
Old Dominion University, VA, USA
Paris, France: Open Event
Portland, OR: Open event organized by Intel Employees (Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12pm-1pm, Pioneer Courthouse Square, (701 SW 6th Avenue, Portland, OR 97204))
Purdue University, Indiana, USA (https://www.facebook.com/events/288787237913961/?notif_t=plan_edited)
Penn State University, Pennsylvania, USA
Perth, Australia: Open Event. (Sunday, Feb 10, 11am, War Memorial, Kings Park (Fraser Avenue))
Pittsburg State University, Pittsburg, Kansas (Saturday, Feb 16, PSU Campus)
Qatar: Open Event
Queen's university, Kingston, Canada: (https://www.facebook.com/events/374393519335575/?ref=25)
Rutgers University, NJ, USA (https://www.facebook.com/events/344216739027330/?ref=2)
San Francisco, USA: Open Event (https://www.facebook.com/events/526044234085747/)
Seoul, South Korea: Open Event.
SCSU, Minnesota, USA
Singapore, Singapore: Open event (YIH Plaza)
Southern Illinois University,IL, USA (https://www.facebook.com/events/331921473578786/?notif_t=plan_user_invited)
Stanford University, CA, USA
Stockholm, Sweden: Open Event
Stuttgart, Germany: Open event
Sydney 1, Australia: Open Event (Sunday, February 10, 11am, Ashfield Park Shaheed Minar -- https://www.facebook.com/events/423314561083584/?ref=3)
Swinburne University of Technology, Melbourne, Australia
Sydney 2, Australia: Bangla Academy Australia: Open event (Sunday, February 10, 11am to 12:30pm, Blacktown Boys' High School, Firth Avenue, Blacktown---www.banglaacademy.com
Syracuse University + SUNY Upstate Medical University, NY, USA
Tennessee Tech University, TN, USA
Texas A&M University, Texas, USA
Toronto, Canada: Open Event (https://www.facebook.com/events/611003482249861/?ref=3)
(Sat, Feb 9, 3pm-5pm, In front of Ghoroa Restaurant, Danforth and Victoria Park area)
Tuskegee University, AL, USA
(https://www.facebook.com/events/261683277298959/)
University Of Akron, OH, USA, (Saturday, Feb 9, 3pm)
University of Alabama at Birmingham, AL, USA
University of Alabama at Tuscaloosa, AL, USA (Sat, Ferguson Student Center, Time : 12 PM)
University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada (Churchill square in Downtown on Monday, February 11 at 5 PM)
University of Arkansas, Arkansas, USA
University of British Columbia, BC, Canada + Simon Fraser university ,BC,Canada (In front of Vancouver Art Gallery (Sat,Feb 9)) (https://www.facebook.com/events/535414129815581/?notif_t=plan_user_joined)
University of Calgary, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/events/131066853730021/)
University of California at Berkeley, (Feb 15, 2013, Friday)
University of California at Riverside, (Feb 10, 2013)
University of California at San Diego
(https://www.facebook.com/events/578231205538204/)
University of Cambridge, UK
University of Central Florida, Florida, USA
University of Chicago, IL, USA
University of Colorado, Denver, USA (Feb 10, Sunday, 4PM in Denver Downtown (UCD campus))
University of Delaware, Delaware, USA
University of Houston, TX, USA (Feb 9 2013, 10 am)
University of Illinois at Chicago, IL, USA (FEB 9 SATURDAY, 6PM)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, IL, USA
University of Kansas, Kansas, Kansas, USA
University of Kentucky, Kentucky, USA. (9th February 2013, in front of the William T Young Library in Lexington, KY campus)
University of Leeds + Leeds Metropolitan University
(Parkinson Steps (Univ of Leeds) at 12.30 on Monday (11 Feb))
University of Louisiana, lafayette, Louisiana, USA
University of Manitoba, Canada
University of Michigan- Ann Arbor, MI, USA (Sun, 2/9 at 4 pm in the posting wall of Angell Hall)
University of Minnesota, Minnesota, USA
University of Memphis, TN, USA
University of Nebraska-Lincoln, USA
University of New Brunswick,Saint John,Canada (Feb 10,4 pm local time)
University on New Mexico, NM, USA (Sat, Feb 9, 4.30pm at the university)
University of New South Wales, Canberra, Auatralia: Open event. (https://www.facebook.com/events/337337966386176/?ref=2)
University of North Carolina at Chapel hill, NC, USA
University of North Carolina at Charlotte, NC, USA
University of Northern Iowa, USA. Open event ( Friday, Feb 15 at 5.00 pm, In front of University gate near college hill)
University of Notre Dame, Indiana, USA
University of Oklahoma (8-Feb, Friday, 6:30 pm, in front of Memorial Union, Norman, Oklahoma, USA)
University of Rochester (UofR) + Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT), New York, USA. (Saturday, Feb 9, 4pm)
University of Saskatchewan (Friday Feb 8, 2013 12:00PM)
https://www.facebook.com/events/602374833122165/
University of South Carolina, South Carolina USA
University of South Florida, Friday, 8th February, Student Marshal Center
University of Tennessee, Knoxville, USA
University of Texas at Arlington, Texas, USA (Feb 6, Thursday)
University of Texas at Austin, TX, USA
University of Texas at Dallas, TX, USA
(https://www.facebook.com/events/474976679216678/)
University of Texas at San Antonio (7PM Feb 9, 2013)
University of Trento, Trento, Italy
University of Ulm, Germany
University of Ulsan, Ulsan, South Korea (Feb 6, Thursday)
University of Virginia, VA, USA (Saturday (02/09))
University of Wyoming (Feb 8, 12:00 PM in front of the University Union)
University of Washington, Washington, USA: (Sunday (2/10) 3:00PM at "Red Square – UW")
University of Waterloo, Canada
University of Wyoming (February 8, 12:00 PM to 1:00 PM)
Uppsala, Sweden: Open Event (Central Station)
Virginia Tech University, Virginia, USA
Wayne State University, MI, USA, at Hamtramck, MI, USA (Sunday, Feb 10, at 5 PM)
Washington DC, USA: In front of Bangladesh Embassy (Friday, Feb 8, 5pm)
Washington State University, Washington, USA (Sat, Feb 9, 2pm, Pullman, Washington)
Western University, Ontario, Canada. Feb 11 2013 in front of the UCC
Wichita State University,Kansas (Engineering research building on Feb 9, at 4:30pm)
 





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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fwd: এই খবরটার সত্যতা কি? ওদের কি ওয়েব আছে?



I was referring to Jiten-da's buddy*:) happy. I think he is SAH (Shah Abdul Hannan).

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fwd: এই খবরটার সত্যতা কি? ওদের কি ওয়েব আছে?
 
I am afraid, I made a mistake last time, Hannan Shah is a retired
Brigadier, a BNP member and not a blogger here. Shah Hannan, a retired
secretary, former executive of the Islamic Bank, an adviser to
Jamat-i- Islami, is a regular blogger.


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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do



I did not say that RAW and CIA were not involved in Pakistani matters. That is their job as ISI is/was involved in Indian and Bangladeshi matters. My point was that those spy agencies are not the real villains why Pakistan has not evolved as a democratic country. Pakistani military wanted to have that way and US went along with that arrangement. Why would they care?

Should we blame Saudis for Shia/Ahmedia killings in Pakistan? I do not think so. Don't Pakistanis know who have been instigating this perpetual violence? These people are openly walking on the streets and raising money for their cause. They can stop this violence tomorrow if they want but they won't. That is the problem.

Yes, we should be vocal about any injustice in our country. There was only one genocide happened in Bangladesh and that had been perpetrated by Pak army with their collaborators. Revenge killing of non-Bengalees was a minor event that never reached to the level of genocide. If we want prosecute those killers, I got no problem. But we should do first thing first to deal with our infamous characters who got blood in their hands. Thank you.
-SD    

 
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From: Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com>
To: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Cc: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>; "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>; "india-unity@yahoogroups.com" <india-unity@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do

If you think RAW and CIA are not, and were not, involved in Pakistan then there is not much more to be said.  You did talk about genocide in Baluchistan and that is a valid concern.  As is the killing of Shias and Christians.  That Middle Ages thinking has been imported from Saudi Arabia - another reason why Pakistan would do better without foreign interference.  And let's hope we can deal with the madrasahs in Bangladesh before we have a similar problem.  BTW I hope you will be just as vocal about the genocide of Urdu speaking in Bangladesh and ask for justice for them in the war crimes tribunals too.  You are right the Pakistani military is the elephant in the room - let's hope their next government does better.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Some people might still be living in the middle ages and that is the problem! I am sure you know exactly who live in what centuries in current Bangladesh. What I understood from your post is that it were CIA, RAW and other heinous spy agencies have had some thing to gain for not letting Pakistani democracy to flourish. That is pure rubbish. If Srilankans and Indians could stick to their democracies, why could not Pakistanis? Other needs to be blamed because Pakistanis loved their strong military men?

Pakistan broke apart because it did not have the democracy. The history will probably repeat itself again with Balochis taking their own path to independence. 

I am glad that PPP could fulfill their full term but I am not sure whether civilian government had the real power. Pakistani military is still the elephant in the room. That is why Indians and others would rather deal with Pakistani military than Pakistani civilian government

-SD    


 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

Oh dear - I see that this is a wider group than pfc friends, but that's okay.  Are you sure you are not still in the 20th. century? :)  Actually I am Bangladeshi and have moved on from the past which is why I don't hold any grudges against Pakistan.  I assure you it is very liberating to free oneself of that anger, though it wasn't easy, and I had to do a lot of self-therapy to get there.   Since it is now 42 years since the military government of Pakistan committed genocide in our homeland, I am more interested in peace in South Asia where we don't go around destabilizing each other.  I am hoping for India-Pakistan-Bangladesh unity. Besides I don't like kicking anyone, even an old enemy when they are down, nor do I hold anything against the people of Pakistan who are just as decent as the people of India and Bangladesh.  Peace!

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is 21st century my friend! Time to grow up and walk!
I hope you are not committing the same genocidal crimes in Balochistan as you have done in Bangladesh. Good luck with your democracy if you really got one?
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com>
To: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com
Cc: "india-unity@yahoogroups.com" <india-unity@yahoogroups.com>; "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:17 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do

 
Pakistan has just marked an important milestone by completing for the first time in its history, the full term of a democratically elected civilian government.  Let's hope RAW and CIA give Pakistan and its people a chance to find their own way out of the many problems that have been created by foreign interference.  And may the upcoming elections result in better leadership for Pakistan - Inshallah!

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://pakpotpourri2.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/breaking-up-is-not-hard-to-do/

Breaking Up Is Not Hard to Do

Why the U.S.-Pakistani Alliance Isn't Worth the Trouble
By Husain HaqqaniHH
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Subject: [KHABOR] সাকা চৌধুরী ও পাকিস্তানি সেনারা বাবা-কাকাসহ তিনজনকে হত্যা করেন

 

মানবতাবিরোধী অপরাধের বিচার: জবানবন্দিতে রাষ্ট্রপক্ষের সাক্ষী

সাকা চৌধুরী ও পাকিস্তানি সেনারা বাবা-কাকাসহ তিনজনকে হত্যা করেন

নিজস্ব প্রতিবেদক | তারিখ: ২০-০৩-২০১৩
বিএনপির সাংসদ সালাউদ্দিন কাদের (সাকা) চৌধুরীর বিরুদ্ধে মানবতাবিরোধী অপরাধের মামলায় গতকাল মঙ্গলবার জবানবন্দি দিয়েছেন রাষ্ট্রপক্ষের দুজন সাক্ষী। এর মধ্যে এক সাক্ষী বলেছেন, একাত্তরের ১৩ এপ্রিল সাকা চৌধুরী তাঁর বাবা ফজলুল কাদের চৌধুরীর অনুসারী ও পাকিস্তানি সেনাদের নিয়ে তাঁদের গ্রামে যান। পরে তারা তাঁকে ও তাঁর বাবা-কাকাসহ চারজনকে গুলি করলে তিনজন মারা যান।
বিচারপতি এ টি এম ফজলে কবীরের নেতৃত্বে তিন সদস্যের আন্তর্জাতিক অপরাধ ট্রাইব্যুনাল-১-এ গতকাল জবানবন্দি দেন রাষ্ট্রপক্ষের ২২তম সাক্ষী অনিলবরণ ধর (৬৮) ও ২৩তম সাক্ষী বনগোপাল দাশ (৬০)। দুজনেরই জবানবন্দি নেন রাষ্ট্রপক্ষের কৌঁসুলি সুলতান মাহ্মুদ। সাকা চৌধুরী এ সময় আসামির কাঠগড়ায় ছিলেন।
প্রথমে জবানবন্দি দেন ২২তম সাক্ষী অনিলবরণ ধর। জবানবন্দিতে তিনি বলেন, তাঁর গ্রামের বাড়ি চট্টগ্রামের রাউজান উপজেলার সুলতানপুর দক্ষিণ বণিকপাড়া গ্রামে। একাত্তরের ১৩ এপ্রিল সকালে তিনি মা ও ভাই-বোনদের অন্য স্থানে রেখে বাড়ি ফিরে আসেন। সঙ্গে ছিলেন তাঁর বাবা। ওই দিন দুপুরে ফজলুল কাদেরের অনুসারী ও পাকিস্তানি সেনাদের সঙ্গে নিয়ে স্লোগান দিতে দিতে সাকা চৌধুরী তাঁদের গ্রামে আসেন। তারপর অনিলবরণ, তাঁর বাবা উপেন্দ্র লাল ধর, কাকা মনীন্দ্র লাল ধর ও নেপাল চন্দ্র ধর নামে আরেকজনকে বাড়ির উঠানে এক সারিতে দাঁড় করিয়ে গুলি করা হলে সবাই মাটিতে লুটিয়ে পড়েন।
রাষ্ট্রপক্ষের এই সাক্ষী আরও বলেন, গুলি লাগার পর তিনি জ্ঞান হারান। জ্ঞান ফিরলে দেখেন, তাঁর বাঁ হাত এবং পিঠের বাঁ পাশে গুলি লেগেছে। বাবা ও কাকাসহ অন্য তিনজন মারা গেছেন।
অনিল বলেন, আহত অবস্থায় তিনি মামার বাড়ি ফটিকছড়ির ইছাপুর গ্রামে যান। পরে জাফর নামের এক চিকিৎসকের সহায়তায় নাম গোপন করে চট্টগ্রাম মেডিকেল কলেজ হাসপাতালে ভর্তি হন। সেখানে তাঁর বাঁ হাত কেটে ফেলা হয় এবং পিঠ থেকে গুলি বের করা হয়। জবানবন্দির এ পর্যায়ে অনিল তাঁর কাটা হাত ও পিঠের গুলির দাগ ট্রাইব্যুনালকে দেখান।
অনিল বলেন, হাসপাতাল থেকে ছাড়া পেয়ে তিনি জানতে পারেন, তাঁদের বাড়িতে হামলার দিন গহিরা, মধ্য গহিরা, বিশ্বাস পাড়া, কুণ্ডেশ্বরী, জগৎমল্লপাড়া এবং উনসত্তরপাড়াতেও একই ধরনের হামলা চালানো হয়। এদিন তাঁদের প্রতিবেশী উমেশ চন্দ্র বিশ্বাসকেও হত্যা করা হয়।
জবানবন্দি শেষে আসামির কাঠগড়ায় দাঁড়ানো সাকা চৌধুরীকে শনাক্ত করেন রাষ্ট্রপক্ষের সাক্ষী অনিল। তাঁকে আসামিপক্ষের জেরার জন্য ২১ মার্চ দিন ধার্য করেন ট্রাইব্যুনাল।
এরপর জবানবন্দি দেন রাষ্ট্রপক্ষের ২৩তম সাক্ষী বনগোপাল দাশ। তিনি বলেন, তাঁর গ্রামের বাড়ি বোয়ালখালী থানার কদুরখিল গ্রামে। একাত্তরের জুন মাসের শেষ দিকে তিনি ভারতে যুদ্ধের প্রশিক্ষণ নেন। পরে দেশে ফিরে ২৮ আগস্ট দিবাগত রাতে অন্য মুক্তিযোদ্ধাদের সঙ্গে তিনি বোয়ালখালীর সিও কার্যালয়ে স্থাপিত রাজাকার ক্যাম্পে হামলা চালান। ওই যুদ্ধে তাঁদের কমান্ডার ফজলু ওস্তাদ ও রেজাউল করিম মারা যান। আবদুল ওয়াজেদ নামে এক মুক্তিযোদ্ধা আহত হন। পাকিস্তানি সেনাদের টহল ট্রেন কাছাকাছি চলে এলে তাঁরা পিছু হটেন। পরদিন দুপুরে তাঁদের এক সংবাদদাতার (সোর্স) মাধ্যমে জানতে পারেন, পাকিস্তানি সেনাদের নিয়ে সাকা চৌধুরী সেখানে গিয়ে আহত মুক্তিযোদ্ধা ওয়াজেদের মুখে থুথু দেন এবং গাড়িতে করে গুডস হিলে (সাকা চৌধুরীর পৈতৃক বাড়ি) নিয়ে যান। এরপর আর ওয়াজেদের খোঁজ পাওয়া যায়নি। মুক্তিযুদ্ধ শেষে রাজাকার জাকির, সিরাজসহ আরও কয়েকজনকে জিজ্ঞাসাবাদ করে ওয়াজেদ সম্পর্কে একই তথ্য পাওয়া গেছে।
সাক্ষী অনিল আরও বলেন, ওই রাজাকারদের কাছ থেকে তিনি জানতে পারেন, বোয়ালখালীতে যুদ্ধ চলাকালে কদুরখিল ও শাকপুরা গ্রামে ফজলুল কাদের চৌধুরীর নেতৃত্বাধীন বাহিনী ও মুসলিম লীগের সমর্থকেরা ৩০০-৩৫০ জনকে হত্যা করে। এর মুখ্য ভূমিকায় ছিলেন সাকা চৌধুরী।
জবানবন্দি শেষে বনগোপালকে জেরা শুরু করেন সাকা চৌধুরী। জেরা অসমাপ্ত অবস্থায় এই মামলার কার্যক্রম ২১ মার্চ পর্যন্ত মুলতবি করা হয়।
'মানহানিকর হয়রানি' থেকে রক্ষা পেতে আবেদন: এদিকে 'মানহানিকর হয়রানি' থেকে রক্ষা পেতে গতকাল ট্রাইব্যুনালে আবেদন করেছেন সাকা চৌধুরী। গতকাল তাঁর আইনজীবী হুজ্জাতুল ইসলাম আবেদনটি ট্রাইব্যুনালে দাখিল করেন। এ বিষয়ে সাকা চৌধুরী ট্রাইব্যুনালকে বলেন, গত বছরের ১৬ ডিসেম্বর কাশিমপুর কারাগারে (পার্ট-১) তিনি পরিবারের সদস্যদের সঙ্গে কথা বলার সময় ওই কথোপকথন রেকর্ড করা হয়। ১৫ মিনিটের ওই অডিও রেকর্ড ওয়েবসাইট ইউটিউবে ছাড়া হয়। এর এক সপ্তাহ পরে তাঁর নামে সামাজিক যোগাযোগের ওয়েবসাইট ফেসবুকে ৩১ বছরের সাজাপ্রাপ্ত এক ব্যক্তিকে দিয়ে মানহানিকর অভিযোগ আনা হয়েছে।
সাকা চৌধুরী আরও বলেন, 'এত দিন জানতাম জানের নিরাপত্তা নেই, এখন দেখি মানেরও নিরাপত্তা নেই, আমার মান নিয়ে টানাটানি...।' তিনি এসব বিষয়ে ট্রাইব্যুনালের কাছে সুষ্ঠু তদন্তের নির্দেশনা চান।
এ আবেদনের বিরোধিতা করে রাষ্ট্রপক্ষের কৌঁসুলি সুলতান মাহমুদ বলেন, আসামির এ ঘটনা সম্পূর্ণ ব্যক্তিগত ব্যাপার। এর সঙ্গে ট্রাইব্যুনালের কোনো সংশ্লিষ্টতা নেই। এ আবেদন তিনি কারা কর্তৃপক্ষের কাছে করতে পারেন।
এর জবাবে সাকা চৌধুরী বলেন, তিনি যেহেতু ট্রাইব্যুনালে বিচারাধীন মামলায় কারাগারে আটক রয়েছেন, তাই ট্রাইব্যুনাল এ বিষয়ে আদেশ দিতে পারেন। ট্রাইব্যুনাল বলেন, এ বিষয়ে পরে আদেশ দেওয়া হবে।
http://prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2013-03-20/news/338076


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