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Thursday, October 22, 2009

RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea



Dear Mr Shamim [while my son's name also shamim, a student of engineering at Baffalo University, NY]
Jamaat-e-Islami was not the army chief or was not a fore front political party at that time, to control over, Jamaat did not voice war but Awami league voiced war, declared independence (?......really was not) got training from anti Islamic and anti Pakistan India (who want total destruction of Islam and Pakistan) and fight with Pakistani Army , killed millions of non bengalis and pakistani supporters, After Independence the braved Mukti Bahini & Awami league looted all non Bengali properties and houses, Forsely occupied the houses of non bengalis, Qader Siddiqi's present home , still an example which he occupied from Behari, A.B. M. Mohiuddin Chodhury of Chittagong (at present Awami Mayor) forcesly occupied the properties of Bihari Noor Uddin, till 1979 people witneshed Bihari Noor Uddin's daughter was begeing in chittagong K.C. Dey road area, merey bachcha bukerhey,....................????????.
 
Mr. Shamim , I will not say pakistani army was very holy, they also killed , burned houses, raped womens and many many........more, we curse their activities and actions. We curse the actions of Yeahiya Khan and his actions not to transfer the power to Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman.
 
Then what is the balance history............................ Pakistan was not with any of the above groups. Pakistan's owner was not only Pakistanis(at present context). Our fore fathers given blood for Pakistan in 1947 while it was creating, our fore fathers given blood in 1965 during Pakistan and India war. Mr. Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman never utterd a single voice against pakistan from 1947 to 1970. He never wrote any single line about Bengali nation that that Bangladesh is a coloney of Pakistan, Sheikh Hasina sings Pakistai national anthem thousand times during her school timing. She was given good medical treatment in military hospital in 1971 war time by pakistani army during her child birth issue, Bangabhandu family were given ration (food) by pakistani military in 1971.......................these are all history Mr. Shamim. So when we talk , our talking should not be one sided.
 
Sheikh Muzibur Rahaman's Awami leaugue voiced for benefits of Bengali nations only, but not for all Pakistanis, while Jamaat e Islami were voicing for Nikhil Pakistanis benefit.
 
Awami league emerged as Anchalic Dal , while jamaat e Islami's status is international.
 
At last,  take 10 spices from Awami league and 10 from Jamaat e islami, ask a third parry whose character is the best, offcourse you will get the answer, that is why Jamaat e Islami gaining all over the world. Insha Allah, the tomorrow for Islam, the world peace be laid on Islam, Human made ideology based state system failed, created thousands of baggers, created classes among the human beings.....................the true path is islam, if you think jamaat is not good , so come forward, you creat a jamaat , start dawati works, make islaha lifes of humans  , present a Islamic society, where all the people can live without hunger and poverty.
 
I would request you, you read some literature of Jamaat e Islami to know about jamaat, Islam and Islamic movement.
 
Thanking you
Mohammed Ramjan Ali Bhuiyan
Kuwait 

 


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: veirsmill@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:17:19 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

Mr Ramzan, what was the Aqida of Jamaat-e-Islami killing millions of people during Bangladesh liberation war? Spirit of Islam cannot be found in a killer organization, no one wants to listen Bhuter Mukha Ram Nam. Mr Abul Ala Moududi ordered the killing and Golam Azam, Abbas Ali, Nizami, Mujahid, Kamruzzaman gong lead the killing, rape and arsoning thousands of village.

 

What Dawat and 4 point karmachuci you talking, during the liberation war Jamaati dawat was to annihilate Bengalis from their soil.

4 point karmachuci was

1. Killing

2. Rape

3. Arson

4. Looting

What is their new dawat and kormochuci?

 

Shamim Chowdhury

Maryland, USA


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Mohammed Ramjan <mramjan@...> wrote:
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> I have to reply when jamat's name is uttered negatively. What knowledge you have about jamath? Did you studied its Dawat and Karmachuci? I believe no. If you say yes then I would like to hear your criticism point by point on its 3 point Dawat and 4 point karmachuci. I believe you will be so braved to reply.
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> You attempted to compare failed christianism in Europe with Islam, kindly be waken, Islam is a complete deen, which the christanism was not , that was the reason why it was failed. If your Aqida is that "Islam is a complete deen" then we can argue with you, if your Aqida is deviated, then we cannot.
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> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea
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> Resorting to ad hominem or "personal attacks" to avoid the truth has not worked very well in the past. These attacks are poor 'lebas' or cover-ups of 'al-Haqqa' the Truth to serve ill intention (bil baTili).
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> No matter how much you shout at me, I am not responsible for YOUR ignorance. You should bear that responsibility yourself. No one subscribes to your cockamamie definition of 'secularism'. The sooner you find that out the better.
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> You and the Jamaatis have no basis for claiming that you are better than any of us as Muslims or followers of the faith of Islam.
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> If you insist that you are a better Muslim than me then that geture of hubris, according to the 'mithla' in the Holy Qur'an, makes you a follower of Iblis who said of Adam -- 'ana khairun minhu' or 'I am better than him' when he openly disobeyed Allah's explicit order to do 'sajada' to Adam.
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> Muslim Bengal has a glorious history! It was the shining gem, the most 'beautiful' and lushly cultivated land in the whole of Dar-ul-Islam, according to the Moroccan world-traveller, Ibn Batuta who visited Bengal in 1345 AD.
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> Religion was part of political power-jostling in Christian Europe. By the Renaissance time and splitting of the Church, religion became the top politics for entire Europe. For a modern model of State Religion you have to look at Nazi Germany and Austria in the 1938-39. You will never find the like of it in Muslim India which was wonderfully secular. Study the administrative policies of the Moghuls and you will find out why there had never been a communal riot and how and why the Hindus, Muslims, Christians and all others lived side by side without cutting each other's throat.
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> It is most fitting that Bangladesh be a secular country by its Constitution. No ifs or buts.
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> May Allah deliver you from the curse of your self-imposed blindeness.
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> CC: dahuk@yahoogroups.com; witness-pioneer@yahoogroups.com; political_analysts@yahoogroups.com; khabor@yahoogroups.com
> From: sahannan@...
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:58:05 -0700
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea
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> Assalamu alaikum.This lady does not know anything of Islam or secularism or state religion.
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> She says, " Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India! "
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> In the thousand year of Muslim rule in India Shariah ( Islamic law ) was the basis of state and law and Qazis or judges used to judge according to this law.This is much more than state religion which is a softer way of a state showing allegiance to Islam .
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> Secularism ( I call it in Bangla " Dharma Barjan Bad ") she does not understand at all and it was never integral to our life or system.
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> From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Farida Majid
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea
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> S. A. Hannan (and the whole Jamaati lot) is the embodiment of the Western-style 20th century Fascism. State religion is a typically IMPORTED idea from the white Christian Europe. So is the idea of a 'State language' over which Pakistan made a such a fuss and we got terribly sentimental about Bangla as an 'endangered' language! Bangla is the fifth biggest language in the world and Bangladesh is the 7th most populous country! These days the Jamaatis are claiming that Islam is an endangered religion and they are the ONLY saviours of the 'deen' in Bangladesh.
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> Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India!
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> Secularism is an integral part of our own history, culture and civilization. The idea of a State Religion is totally foreign, and a trick of evil-intentioned anti-human politics.
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> We, Bengalis never had a State Religion in all the 800 years of Muslim rule of Bengal.
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> Hannan's trumpeting of the "religion of the majority" is based on the British colonialists' computing of people of Bengal (in 1872 census) by their professed faith. It was a bogus census with evil imperialist intention of controlling people and looting the wealth of Bengal as a colony.
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> It is time to DISCARD this colonial basis of classifying general citizenry by their religion.
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> Please folks! We have suffered enough! It is time we all wake up to the dangers of these 20th century FASCISTS engulfing the hopes and dreams of our 21st century.
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[ALOCHONA] AL leaders resent dipping law and order



AL leaders resent dipping law and order
 
Most of the members of the central executive committee of the Awami League on Thursday expressed deep concern over the deterioration of the law and order situation and violence caused by the manipulation of tenders throughout the country, said sources.

The committee members demanded uncompromising measures to improve the situation and stop tender manipulation by Awami League leaders and activists.

Speaking at an emergency meeting of the party's central working committee, convened after the bomb attack on party lawmaker Fazle Noor Tapash, the Awami League's central leader Mohammad Nasim said the attack had indicated the deterioration of the law and order situation and the government should take immediate action in this regard, said meeting sources.

AL's acting president Syeda Sajeda Chowdhury presided over the meeting held at party chief Sheikh Hasina's Dhanmondi office.

Assailants hurled a bomb at AL lawmaker Fazle Noor Taposh's car in front of his law chamber at Motijheel on Wednesday night, leaving at least 12 people injured, but Tapash luckily survived the attack without a scartch.

Most of the ALCWC members who attended at the meeting echoed Nasim and demanded enhancement of security measures to maintain the law and order.

They also denounced tender manipulation across the country by the leaders and activists of the party and its associate bodies, and demanded exemplary punishment of those involved, an AL leader who attended the meeting told New Age. 'At any cost, tender manipulation will have to be stopped,' the leader quoted Nasim as saying.

Most of the AL's central executive committee members recommended intensification of security measures for ministers, judges and counsels of the Sheikh Mujibur Rahman killing case, party lawmakers, family members of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman as well as important government offices, said sources.

The issue was raised by Momtazuddin Mehedi, member of the AL's central executive, at the meeting.

Some members protested against the vandalising of vehicles in different parts of the capital after the attack on Tapash, saying that this would estrange the people. They emphasized the need for uniting the nation to implement the court's verdict of the Sheikh Mujibur Rahman killing case.

The AL's law secretary, Abdul Matin Khasru, assured the meeting that the verdict of the Sheikh Mujib killing case would be executed within November, said meeting sources.

The AL's general secretary, Syed Ashraful Islam, told the newsmen that the government would tighten the security of the ministers, lawmakers and important personalities, if required.

Home affairs minister Sahara Khatun, at the meeting, said she had directed the law-enforcing agencies to take every measure to identify and nab the attackers.

On October 3, at the first meeting of the ALCWC after elections, deep concern was expressed over the law and order situation, tender manipulation, extortion, price-hike of daily essentials, power and gas shortage and the capital's chaotic traffic, and the members requested party president Sheikh Hasina, also the country's premier, to concentrate more on solving the problems

Thursday's meeting strongly condemned the attack on Tapash and demanded that the government find and arrest the attackers, identify their patrons and give them exemplary punishment.

The members observed that the attack was meant to kill Tapash and was motivated by the intention of thwarting the trial of the Sheikh Mujibur Rahman murder case.

'The killers of Bangabandhu and those who do not want implementation of the verdict of the Sheikh Mujibur Rahman killing case and ultra-fanatic militants were behind the attack,' claimed Ashraf, also the LGRD minister.

He said those who launched the attack would be hunted down and brought to justice.

Ashraf said the trial of the Sheikh Mujib murder case cannot be stopped by killing, attacks and threats, no matter how powerful the criminals are. 'No one can stop the government from executing the verdict and establishing human rights and justice.'

He said that after the murder of Sheikh Mujib, the killers were trying to kill his two daughters — Sheikh Hasina, the prime minister, and Sheikh Rehana. 'A conspiracy is on to kill them at anytime,' said he.

http://www.newagebd.com/front.html#1



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Re: [ALOCHONA] PM's Sofor Sangee



Bangladesh is their "Baper Taluk". How dare people ask this type of silly question? Lal Ghora Dabriya Dibo kintu.
"Londo Vondo Kore De Ma Lutey Putey Khai.".
 
SH
Toronto


From: Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com; notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com; bangla vision <bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com>; Bangla Zindabad <Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>; Stephen Nah <stephennah@yahoo.com>; dahuk <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; diagnose@yahoogroups.com; Dhaka Mails <dhakamails@yahoogroups.com>; wideminds <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 12:54:49 AM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] PM's Sofor Sangee

 

AFTER  AL  BOTH OF THEM ARE CO-PROPRIETORS OF THE NATION AS DAUGHTER OF BB. WHO CARES FOR THE PROTOCOL N EXPENSES FROM THE EXCHEQUER SINCE THEY HAVE BIRTH RIGHT TO ENJOY N ENJOY !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Mohammad Akhtaruzzaman (Zaman) <drz321@gmail. com> wrote:
 

PM is off to Stockholm.

She will be there to attend a climate conference.

Amongst the score of "Sofor-Sangee" there is one curious name – Sheikh Rehana. Thinking of her expertise in Climate Science, I am nonplussed.

And thinking of her potential contribution to the Bangladeshi delegation, I am somewhat dumbfounded.

 

Then I realized, may be the honorable PM, when bored with nutty-nonsense of climate talk, might need some chitchat with her dear sister.

Or may be, the dear sister would like to have some chitchat with her sweet BEAI in Sweden!

 

Hey, it's a free ticket!!




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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: The Father of "Crossfire in Bangladesh?



Dear Alochok Sarkar
 
The number you have cited is the biggest mystery of our time. During the last BAL government, there was a public demand of publishing the list of army officers and other muktijodhas claimed to have killed by Zia. However, they could not produce anything. You have one with name and address, I would love to receive it and the nation will be relieved from the BAL propoganda.
SH
Toronto


From: musasarkar <m_musa92870@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 12:50:00 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: The Father of "Crossfire in Bangladesh?

 

If the killings of more than 30,000 JSD workers by Bangabandhu' s order are true, then why does JSD always ally with AL, never with AL's #1 enemy BNP?  MAYER CHEYE JATIYATABADI MASIDER DORODTA EKTU BESHI BESHI DEKHA JAE.  It is extremely funny that the hypocrites shed more tears for Siraj Sikdar, the founder of extremist terrorist party called Purbo Bangla Sarbohara Party than anybody even from Siraj's own party.

Natural justice also eliminated the greatest Danob in Bengali's history - the Aug 15 murder conspirator, killer of tens of thousands of Muktijudhdhas, and the great rehabilitator of all Rajakars on 30 May, 1981.

--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Sajjad Hossain <shossain456@ ...> wrote:
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> Thank you dear great BAL supporter. OK I did not know that Sheikh Mujib got training for crossfire from the Razakars and Al Badr.
> I am not shedding any tears for Siraj Sikder. Whether he was a killer or not that was a legal issue. If someone abides by the rule of law, Siraj Sikder should not have sent to crossfire. It was your great leader Sheikh Mujib who did not have any respect for rule of law. Therefore, he found only solution "extra judicial killing". He also ordered killing of more than 30,000 JSD workers. Anyway, there is something called "natural justice" and through that process this "Danob" was eleminated.
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> From: Robin Khundkar rkhundkar@.. .
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 12:36:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Who Pioneered "Crossfire in Bangladesh?
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> Well if he did he must have learnt it from the Al Badrs and Al Shams Razakars and their foreign masters who refined it onto an art alongwith with total deniability! !!
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> Cross fire/encounter killings/extra judicial murders are a long standing tradition in the subcontinent. From Peshawar to Chittagong from Delhi to the tip of Sri Lanka!
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> If you really do I want some of your Kool Aid!
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> >From: Sajjad Hossain
> >Sent: Oct 18, 2009 11:19 PM
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> >Subject: [ALOCHONA] Who Pioneered "Crossfire in Bangladesh?
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> >Crossfire or extra-judicial killings are now-a-days very common practice among the so-called law enforcers.
> >However, when it was pioneered in the history of Bangladesh? The historical facts show that it was Bangabondhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman ever first introduced
> >"Crossfire" in Bangladesh. The first victim of his Crossfire was Siraj Shikder. After his brutal killing, the so-called "Jatir Pita" shouted in the Parliament "Where is Siraj Shikder Now?". What a Pita who sent his son to be tortured and brutally killed!
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Our boundary our diplomats



Dear Robin

 

I concede gladly as I have no choice. It is true. The odds of success are stacked against her. And we have to work with what we have. Too true. Too true.

 

Without subtracting from the above I would add the following.

 

Dipu Moni is also – like the rest of us – limited by her abilities. I hope time will show that her abilities justify her appointment.

 

The posts that you dislike are important because they represent the political parties. Don't underestimate them. That's why I face them head on. Such people have to know that independents (even the crazy ones like me) are no longer silent. Their rebuttals are of the same quality as the rebuttals of their parties. And good God, what a poor show!

 

If they bark I'll bark back. We are so used to their crap that we don't really mind it. But when others talk the same language a lot of good people become upset. Bhai, its not fair. Sniff J

 

No one is fixated on Pinak but there is no reason to ignore him. You use the word `exuberance' very cleverly J All I am saying is that the way things are unfolding I would rather have Pinak on my side during a tough negotiation than Bhabi.

 

Forget 1947. It is irrelevant to the stupid political body of Bangladesh. God created the known world in 1971.

 

We must have good relations with India for countless reasons. But, also, our politicians need to find a way of not appearing subservient to India. That is inviting trouble. We want Bangladesh once in a decade to at least look like it can stand up for itself.

 

Let us not go gently to the endless winter night.

 

Best wishes

 

Ezajur Rahman

Kuwait  

 

  

  



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