>>>>>>>>>> It will be more useful, if you leave the petty personal attacks and get to YOUR POINT (If you have one).
Make your point and we can share our views (That is the idea of this forum/blog).
Shalom!
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Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:43 pm
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At the same time, the arguments made in those blogs and links provided are without logic but shows a visible discomfort and ignorance of Islam.
I only tried to point those out in my last post.
I have been fortunate to spend time with many scholars of Islam (Both Muslims and non-Muslims). I am aware of differences but I also knows fundamentally Islam is sound.
I agree that, subject is vast but if you study the life of the last prophet (PBUH), you will see Islam was very liberating and compassionate. prophet (PBUH) only punished people who fought against Muslim umma and forgave everyone who wanted to harm him personally. Which says a lot about this man and how Islam was established.
Shalom!
From: Abul Azad <azad973@gmail.com>
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I read your blogs and links and I am not sure which parts of Islam you have problem with?
When a group of people establish a state, they have to bring down laws, punishments and processes. This is true for any country anywhere in the world.
In our beloved Bangladesh, we saw a lot of violence in post liberation Bangladesh. One member of Mukto-mona even said (In last few days) that, post liberation Bangladesh saw more minority property confiscated than Pakistan era. Regardless of your ideology, it is utter idiotic to expect once you have a functioning state, you will not have codified laws to protect innocent civilians and the state itself against attacking enemies.
If a state could functioned without laws and punishment, the US could have run the whole country with candy bars instead of trillions of dollars in defense, police, jails (The largest in the world) etc.
The important thing to understand that, fundamental values of Islam remained the same. That did not change with time. Even when the whole arabia was under the feet of Muslim (After Mecca was under Muslims) they did not take revenge, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) chose to forgive EVERYONE who persecuted the prophet PERSONALLY.
During the whole life of prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he forgave every personal offender. Only punished those who wanted to destroy all Muslims from the face of the earth.
I think it is a very compassionate and noble approach.
Shalom!
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On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
Amazing documentary portrait of Jihad, a must see documentary.
Jiten Roy
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Yes, son.
Are we going to have a war with India?
Perhaps.
Oh, goody. We will thrash them, right? Like we did in 1857!
It wasn't in 1857, son.
Oh, okay. But whom did we thrash in 1857?
The British, son…
And the Hindus too, right?
Well…
Did Quaid-i-Azam fight in that war along with Muhammad bin Qasim and Imran Khan?
No, son. The Quaid and Imran were born much later and Muhammad bin Qasim died many years before.
Then who ruled Pakistan in those days?
There was no Pakistan in those days, son.
But there was always a Pakistan! It has been there for 5,000 years!
Who have you been talking to, son?
No one. I've just been watching TV.
It figures.
Daddy, why are all these people against us Arabs?
Arabs? But we aren't Arabs, son.
Of course we are because our ancestors were Arabs!
No, son. Our ancestors were of the subcontinental stock.
Sub-what?
Never mind.You seem to like wars, son.
Yes. I like to watch them on TV.
But real wars are fought outside the TV, son.
Really? How is that possible? What sort of a war is that?
Never mind.
Daddy, you look worried.
Of course, I am, you little warmongering punk!
Daddy! Why are you scolding me?
Because TV is talking rot and so are you!
Daddy, are you supporting Hindus?
No!
Daddy, have you become a kafir?
Keep quiet! No more TV for you! Go watch a movie on DVD or listen to a CD.
Can't do that.
But we have so many DVDs and CDs, son.
Not any more.
What do you mean?
I burned them all.
What?!
I burned them all.
I heard that! But why?
They spread obscenity.
Oh, God. Son, go do your homework. What happened to that science project you were working on?
It's almost complete.
Good boy. What are you making?
A bomb.
What?!
A bomb.
I heard that! But why?
Because I am a true Muslim who hates America.
But only last week you wanted to go to Disney Land.
That's different.
How come?
Mickey Mouse is Muslim.
No, he isn't.
Is so. He converted when he heard azaan on the moon.
On the moon?
Yes. Because the earth is flat and…
What??
The earth is…
I heard that!
Daddy, do you want to see my science project, or not?
Gosh, that bomb? But your science teacher will fail you.
No, she wont.
Really?
Yes. I plan to blow her up as well.
God, what is wrong with you? Go call your mother!
She can't come.
Why not?
I've locked her in the kitchen.
But what for?
A woman's place is in the kitchen. I will not let her out until she covers herself up peoperly!
But she's your mother!
She's also a woman!
So?
So she should be hidden.
Hidden from whom?
The whole world and Tony.
Tony?
Yes, Tony.
But Tony's a cat.
Yes. But he's male.
Son, have you gone mad?
No. By the way, I've made sure Kitto starts covering up as well.
Kitto?
Yes, Kittto.
But Kitto's a cat!
Yes. But a female cat.
But she'll suffocate.
Oh, she's already dead.
What?
She's already dead.
I heard that! But how?
I buried her alive.
You what?
Yes. To avenge Tony's honour.
But why?
To save mom's honour!
Oh, God!
Don't say that. Always say Allah.
What's the difference?
Daddy, do you want to be beheaded too?
No!
Do you want to be stoned to death?
No!
Do you want to be flogged?
No!
Do you want to get your arms chopped off?
No!
Then stop asking silly questions. By the way, I won't call you daddy anymore.
What will you call me then?
Whatever that is Arabic for daddy.
I don't know any Arabic, son.
That's because you are a kafir.
Who the heck are you to tell me who I am, you little fascist twit!
What's a fascist?
An irrational, violent, self-righteous mad man!
W... aaaaaaa...
Why are you crying?
You scolded me.
Okay, I'm sorry. You have to be tolerant and rational, son. Now be a good boy and go read a book instead of watching TV.
I have no books.
Of course, you do. I bought you so many books.
I burned them.
What?
I burned them.
But why?
They were all in English.
So?
It's a non-Muslim language!
But we are speaking English, aren't we?
W... aaaaaaa…
What now?
Zionists made me forget my Arabic.
But you never knew any Arabic, son.
W... aaaa… yes, I did until you and mommy gave me the polio drops… aaaaa…
Okay, tell me, can you do me a favour?
Sure, dad.
Can you blow up something for me?
Oh, goody! Of course, dad.
No, no, something a lot more sinister.
Mom?
No, no…
What then?
The TV set!
What?
Blow the TV set.
I heard that! But why?
Just do it!
I see. Dad?
Yes.
.....'You're so unconstitutional....'!
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Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: [ .] The Roots of Iraq’s Sectarian Division
It is a political mess and innocent people are victims of dumb mistakes by George Bush Jr.
Also it is important to remember still majority population do get along well. But they do not make headline news. So our perception of Middle East is always a bit distorted when we hear stories of conflict in particular.
Or there are religious reasons for the Sunni militant groups to annihilate the Shia people?
>>>>>>>>>> Religion does not mandate killing any sect based on politics or religion. In fact the Qurán prohibited it (Source: Al Qurán 5:32)
However it is important to remember that, the whole shia and sunni division started on political reason not religious. Now there are some differences in how they practice their faiths but not enough to choke each other to death.
Today Sunni leader like Saudi Arabia and Shia leader like Iran are engaged in increasing the sphere of influence in the middle east. Unfortunately mainly innocent population fall victims of this ugly race. A lot like how BNP and BAL fanatical supporters are ruining future of our own country. We may have some differences of opinion but I do not see any good reason to destroy each other like we see today around election years. Hope this later example will help you connect the situation with shia and sunni sects.
Shalom!
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Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: IOS Current Affairs: Moment of Truth
It is not crap. Bangladesh was never an Islamic republic. Still many people did migrate to it when "Partition" happened. In fact there was a government run commission to oversee the migratory process. Which helped aspiring migrant to swap properties, sell properties etc. The office was in Kolkata.
Just because some of you are ignorant about history, that does not mean you can force others to forget legitimate history.
Also you have hard time accepting that, you may lack some ideas on history.
First you denied genocide of Buddhist population in India by Hindus. Now that more and more evidences speaks a different narrative than your imaginary one, you try to switch to Bangladesh and Muslims.
Many people also migrate for better opportunities. In the 80's Bangladesh's economy was not good. So many Muslims, Hindus and people of other faiths did leave this country. So trying to present distorted information is silly.
It is not a crime if you are ignorant. However once some of us are trying to offer information, try to learn from it. I'll think no less of you.
Shalom!
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:08 pm
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Just another crap! So where is your ideal Muslim country? What would make Bangladesh a more Islamic so that milk and honey will flow on the streets? Get your head checked Mr. Rahman!
-SD
-Seuss
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:04 AM
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Also Dhimmi does NOT mean second class citizen (Such absurd ideas are only spread by people with half a brain). Literally Dhimmi means "protected". During early days of Islam it introduced the concept of protection of non-Muslims in Medina.
In India, the dhimmitude was impossible in spite of the theocracy being in favor of it.
>>>>>>>>>Hindus and Buddhists
[ Source: Wiki ]
More Muslims live in India than elsewhere and they are showing no tendency to migrate
>>>>>>>>> Mainly because we (Bangladesh) is not an ideal Islamic country, so no reason to migrate to another country which is not Islamic. Still since 40's many (hundred of thousands) migrated to escape from persecution in India.
Secondly, those who left India did not do very well in Pakistan, so rest of them decided to stay put.
Shalom!
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Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 9:01 pm
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So, Buddhists being vanished is rather a myth that has been created by a vested group to cover up their own atrocities on many indigenous Indian people. Reference of Sikh massacre is readily available if Mr. Rahman wants to review that. Just ask me, I can add more. There was no doubt that there was a Hindu revival to fight back the foreign invaders when Buddhists were totally reluctant to fight due to their non violence principle. With more people becoming Buddhists and their total non-violence attitude towards invaders and plunderers would have made India virtually an inviting country to invade and enslave. Not that it did not happen later. Buddhists just did not want to fight the invaders from the west and they sought safe haven in the east. Who can blame them? But eventually, they figured out that they could not just chant, they had to fight back to survive. Thank God, they saw the fighting light of Buddha!
-SD
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pankaj-jain-phd/buddhism-origin-spread-decline_b_939679.html
Buddhism: Origin, Spread and Decline
Pankaj Jain, Ph.D.
In the course of 1700 years of co-existence the Hindus had taken over a great deal from the Buddhists and vice versa, e.g., Buddhists started building temples of the Buddha and Bodhisattva. They started worshipping the Buddha as the ultimate creator and preserver of the universe. Carl Jung mentions in "The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation" that in Buddhism, the different gods are symbolic representations. This may be an influence of Hinduism on Buddhism. In consequence, the division between Buddhism and Hinduism had increasingly diminished and it was no surprise for a Buddhist to be absorbed into the largely Buddhified Hindu fold. The philosophy of Nagarjuna had been absorbed into the Vedanta by Gaudapada, Sankara's teacher; just as the Vaishnavas of later times were greatly indebted to the Buddhists (Bhagavat Purana incorporated the Buddha as the ninth Avatar of Vishnu). The Buddhists Tantras had provoked their Hindu counterparts, which abound with references to Mahayana deities. Eventually, separate existence of Buddhism did not serve any useful purpose. Its disappearance thus was no loss to anyone.
By the time of the Muslim conquest, the separate identity of Buddhism resided primarily in its great monasteries and universities. The distinctively dressed monks, all concentrated at these places were an easily identifiable target for Muslim zealotry. Hinduism, by contrast, had no identifiable heart at which to strike. It had succeeded in pervading Indian society while Buddhism had become increasingly isolated in monasteries and universities. Buddhist monks offered no resistance to the invasions, partly in obedience to their vows, and partly because they believed that astrological calculations have shown that Muslims would in any case conquer Hindustan. The destruction of Nalanda in 1197 AD and of Vikramashila in 1203 AD by Muhammad Ghori marks the end of Buddhism in India."
-Seuss
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 7:39 AM
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You brought it for the forum, it is your burden to prove your position. I only question the validity of your point.
>>>>>>>>> No you got mad at me for sharing a survey about India. guess you are very protective of India!!
Anyway, I'll share some information about Hindu persecution of Buddhist population in India. All of us know that, Buddhism was introduced in India but it vanished from India later on. However we can see even today Buddhism bloomed very well outside of India. Here are some info...
[ Source: Why Buddhism prospered in Asia but died in India ]
How the Buddhists and Jains were Persecuted in Ancient India.
CONTRIBUTING FACTORS FOR THE DISAPPEARANCE OF BUDDHISM FROM INDIA
If you need more information about this topic, just ask. I'll add tons more on it.
Shalom!
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 23, 2013 1:09 pm
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-SD
-Seuss
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Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:41 AM
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As I said, we have discussed this subject in detail, just search and find it within Mukto-mona forum.
However if you are firm in denying that, Buddhists were not persecuted by Hindu? Let me know.
I am saying they were severely persecuted by Hindus (Sanatana Dharma).
Shalom!
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Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:42 pm
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-Seuss
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Makes perfect sense.
They were persecuted by Hindus of India and were force to leave the country they used to rule. That is history. No argument needed.
Shalom!
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Sent: Wed, Jun 19, 2013 12:02 pm
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-Seuss
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>>>>>>>>> BTW, the Buddhists went east. Not west. They went all over the orient.
This topic has been discussed with a load of references. Please move your rear end and find out from previous mukto-mona discussions. You will find a lot of interesting discussions as well.
Shalom!
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 8:40 pm
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-SD
-Seuss
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Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:06 AM
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Maybe you were not here. We have discussed this episode in great detail here.
Dalailama is from Tibet and he took shelter in India because of his problem with Chinese communists. India still have many issues with China and gave refuge to the Dalai Lama. Not sure why the Lama will need to go to Mecca? :-)
The problem with these organized religions is that they would love to invade other countries, concur them and establish their religious hegemony with virtually no respect to the culture and religions of indigenous people
>>>>>>>> The fundamental problem is you do not what you are talking about. India was NEVER a single country UNTIL the Muslims reached India. The greater India concept was introduced by Muslim rulers and even the name "Hindustan" was given by Muslims!!
Hindus and Budhists were lucky that English came at the right time and put a stop of that organized religious crime.
>>>>>>>> You are propagating myth that is popular among ignorant Muslims and Hindus.
Fact is even 100 years after the Palashi war, leaders of all religious communities came to Bahadur Shah Zafar to lead them to freedom against the colonial masters. Unfortunately Bahadur Shah was a moghul but did not have leadership skills necessary (he was a good poet but not a great leader) to do that. He unsuccessfully tried and defeated by the Brits.
With no English intervention, India would have become a totally different country.
>>>>>> Agree.
Muslim majority countries and minorities living in them peacefully have become the butt of the jokes. Just ask any random person! Even Muslims fleeing from those countries, let alone non-Muslim minorities
>>>>>>>> Again I agree with you. Most Muslim majority countries have an issue with good governance. So both Muslims and non-Muslims suffer for lack of it.
Shalom!
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 16, 2013 4:36 pm
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The problem with these organized religions is that they would love to invade other countries, concur them and establish their religious hegemony with virtually no respect to the culture and religions of indigenous people. Hindus and Budhists were lucky that English came at the right time and put a stop of that organized religious crime. With no English intervention, India would have become a totally different country.
Muslim majority countries and minorities living in them peacefully have become the butt of the jokes. Just ask any random person! Even Muslims fleeing from those countries, let alone non-Muslim minorities
I bet this man lives in a hole without any light and air.
Here is the helpful impartial link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Buddhism_in_India
-Seuss
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Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:44 PM
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The Sangh has been steadily doing it since as far back as 1947, when the ICS officer Madhav Godbole seized a trunk full of RSS maps and plans for ethnic cleansing of Muslims.
We hope India will lead the region as a beacon of democracy and motivate other countries to empower democracy in their system and focus on protecting common people from religious Bigots.
Shalom!
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Sent: Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:07 am
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Narendra Modi of Gujarat 2002 infamy is on a roll. India's corporate media is acting as if the silent majority spread over villages, talukas, mofassils, district towns, state capitals and NCR does not exist, as if it is not the "Little Citizen" who will decide the future of India with his precious vote, but the corporate boss sitting in his air-conditioned cabin and the moneybag manipulating things from behind the screen. People are still important, and urban middle class Modi fans are not the only people India has: Modiwadis are just a small fraction of the sea of humanity called Bharat.
What is bothersome is the inspiration behind Moditva, and the methodologies and modalities it employs. The inspiration, as the RSS stalwart Guru Golwalker clearly explained in his We, or Our Nationhood Defined decades back, is Hitler and his Nazi party. Golwalker approvingly talks about Hitler's genocide of Jews to be replicated in India by a similar mass murder of Muslims. Since then the Sangh and its fronts like BJP, VHP, Bajrang Dal and others have been busy creating new opportunities for mass murder of Muslims through smaller "riots" (like 37 episodes under Akhilesh rule in UP) or bigger pogroms like Ayodhya 92 and Gujarat 2002.
The Sangh has been steadily doing it since as far back as 1947, when the ICS officer Madhav Godbole seized a trunk full of RSS maps and plans for ethnic cleansing of Muslims. They have not always succeeded in polarising and dividing people because of the primarily secular and plural nature of India. For reaching 102 seats in Parliament from a mere two they staged the mass killing of Muslims in 1992-93. Mr Modi took up the Sangh torch of hatred from LK Advani, who had emerged as a "hero" in their voters' eyes just because of the anti-Muslim hysteria he had created.
Modi was protected from being sacked in 2002 by then Deputy Prime Minister and Home Minister Advani. His sacking would have been justified because of his dereliction of duty (to some, collusion with rioters) in the anti-Muslim pogrom. The Sangh has consistently been undermining the Constitution's secular values. During NDA rule it even tried to change it.
What is happening today is ominously similar to what happened in the Germany of 1933 and the rise of Hitler with the help of German industry. Today, some of India's major industrialists and their corporate media are openly backing Mr Modi as the future prime minster who will increase their profits by demolishing all the democratic and secular institutions of the state of India and by ensuring maximum profit on investments. What happens to people who are not industrialists, the preponderant majority of this country?
Mahabharata, the account of the greatest fratricidal war ever, fascinates both Mr Modi and Mr Advani. A Mahabharata against Muslims of India is the dream of the Sangh stalwarts. The choice between Mr Modi and Mr Advani is that between a rock and a hard place.
By and large, the choice today is between constitutional rule and fascist thuggery; between the common good of the masses, the farmers, the working classes in villages, towns and cities, the peace-loving people of goodwill everywhere on one side and corporate money and Hitler's chelas on the other.
The choice is very clear, very unambiguous. It is a choice between the idea of India and chaos.
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