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Monday, February 8, 2016

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah



"Only the paranoid survive"- Andrew Grove
I hope you are right about Sk. Hasina's strategy. Can she be ruthless and paranoid enough to take some heads off time to time?


On Sunday, February 7, 2016 9:44 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
As I said earlier, Bangladesh is in need of honest politicians and intellectuals. I think an honest look at why Mujib surrounded himself with a great number of traitors is very much needed; not necessarily to tarnish him, but to learn from history. I do not believe that he totally failed to diagnose it. I believe Hasina has learned from her father's fate, and she is not as surrounded by the traitors. However, it is clear that she is trying to balance between the Islamic fanatics and the secular forces. If she succeeds in gradually demoting the fanatics and promoting the secularists, that would no doubt be good for the country. In that journey, however, she must first slow down and then reverse the growth of mosques and madrassas in the country.

SuBain

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On Sunday, February 7, 2016 6:16 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
We the independent minded people need to be very vigilant about liberation history. The silence is not an option whether we support Awami rule or not. I have no love for Awamis but I hate to see credits going to a very wrong person like Major Zia. It would be better to see Awamis coming forward with fair minds and defend Mujib's character and his contributions... no more and no less than he really deserves. The man could have been a Fidel or Mandela of South Asia but he chose to become rather a very soft target  The man was surrounded by a great number of traitors and he failed to diagnose their evil ambitions.Would history repeat itself again with Hasina?


On Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:39 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Lesson below is for the willful ignorant people on the web:
"In the evening of 25 March, Mujib convened a meeting of senior Bengali nationalist leaders, including Tajuddin Ahmad and Colonel M A G Osmani, at his residence in Dhanmondi. They were briefed by Bengali insiders within the military of an impending crackdown. The nationalist leaders decided to form a provisional government in exile in India and launch an armed struggle for independence. However, Mujib decided to remain in Dhaka and brave the looming crackdown, despite pleas by the others to join them in India. Bidding farewell to the leaders, Mujib said "I have given you independence. Now go and preserve it ".[1]
At 10 pm on 25 March, the Pakistan Armed Forces launched Operation Searchlight in the capital of East Pakistan. Tanks rolled out on the streets of Dhaka.[2] The Pakistan Army massacred students and intellectuals in Dhaka University, as well as many civilians in other parts of the city.[3] It set Hindu neighborhoods ablaze and crushed resistance from the police and the East Pakistan Rifles. At midnight, Mujib sent a wireless telegram to Chittagong instructing Awami League leaders to declare independence. The text of his telegram read:-[4]"
Deeldar, you are right – mere declaration of independence did not bring independence; it was merely a formality. Mujibur Rahman conveyed the declaration to the leaders of Awami League on the eve of 25th March, and asked them to fight for the independence. He exactly new what was befalling on Bangalees after that, and, refused to leave them.
When I hear smear campaigns by willful ignorant people, it makes me sick. These are the most disingenuous people on earth.

Jiten Roy





From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah

 
Yes, 7th March was a starting point of no return. Minds were made up from both sides and people were waiting to see who would blink first? Both sides were ready for a showdown culminating the bloody 25th March. The mere declaration from Kalurghat was an inconsequential event with no more important than a rooster declaring the sun was about to rise. Yahya does not mention Zia's name at all in his affidavit.  


On Saturday, February 6, 2016 11:09 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
"এবারের সংগ্রাম স্বাধিনাতার সংগ্রাম। - so said Sheikh Mujib
 

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah

 
And what did the Bangabandhu's 7th March message of "ghorey ghorey durgo gorey tolo, tomader ja kichhu achhe tai niey prostut thako" (make fortress out of your homes, and stay ready with whatever you have) meant? If the March 7th message was 'no more negotiation with the West Pakistani Leaders', what was going on up to March 25th? Surely on March 7th Mujib did not close the doors for negotiations with Yahya, Bhutto, et al. On the contrary, up to 25th March, he certainly tried and hoped for an intact Pakistan through negotiations.

Bangladesh surely is in need of politicians and intellectuals who could respect great people without denying/distorting facts.

SuBain

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On Saturday, February 6, 2016 7:11 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
"Sheikh Mujib did not ask people to start the liberation struggle"


Then, what he meant by:
"ঘরে ঘরে দুর্গ গরে তুল।এবারের সংগ্রাম মুক্তির সংগ্রাম । এবারের সংগ্রাম স্বাধিনাতার সংগ্রাম।"
The message Shekh Mujib conveyed in the 7th March speech was that - there was no more negotiation  with the West Pakistani Leaders, and  the only option left for Bangalees was to go for independence. That's what he meant by the statement above as well. 
After 7th March, government and non-government institutions were in total locked down mode, as per Sheikh Mujib's call. Bus and Train communication systems started to shut down one after another. I had to leave Dacca because I was afraid that I will get stuck in Dhaka and won't be able to come home. The day I left, there was a major shooting in Tongi on the procession, where East Pakistani Regiment indiscriminately fired on the unarmed people on the street. That was the first direct attack on the civilians. I saw fresh blood on the street, as I left Dhaka by bus through Tongi. Our bus did not stop at Tongi for fear of attack; fortunately, EPR returned in the barrack by then. The situation got worse after that.
I do not know where you found that Sheikh Mujib did not declare independence struggle on the 7th March. I think you are buying into bogus BNP propaganda. If I remember correctly, I first heard about Ziaur Rahman, and his statement on the radio, when I was in the refugee camp in Jalangi, Murshidabad. A lot has happened before that to force millions of people out of the country. The reason for the second declaration for the independence was to boost Bangalee-psyche in the middle of the on-going struggle. I know, it served the purpose for us.
Jiten Roy






From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah

 
I agree with almost everything Dr. Roy has written here. However, let me make a minor correction. On March 7, 1971, Sheikh Mujib did not ask people to start the liberation struggle; he asked people to prepare for the probability/possibly of a struggle for liberation/independence.

I disagree with most of what Dr. Jafforullah Chowdhury has written. But I do believe that Sheikh Mujib probably tried to find out an approximately correct casualty figure.

There is actually too much of dishonesty and distortion of history in Bangladesh; and that comes from both kinds of sociopolitical forces, anti-liberation as well as pro-liberation. It is a big shame. To learn from history and for the nation to become better, facts should be presented as they were. Interpretations can vary without denying or grossly manipulating facts.

SuBain

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On Saturday, February 6, 2016 11:33 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Most of these people, who are opining on liberation struggle, were either too young to understand the political circumstances at the time or were against the liberation struggle.
6-point movement was not about cessation; it was about autonomy and restoration of rights of Bengalees. That should be enough to prove that Mujibur Rahman did not want to break up Pakistan.
When West Pakistani rulers declined to consider any of those demands, movement took its own turn for cessation. In his historic speech on 7th March, Mujib called for independence, and asked Bangalees to start  liberation struggle. I was there and was fully engaged in  this movement.
I remember, after the speech, Mujibur Rahman remained in the background, and people took over the control of the struggle. No one could stop it after that.  
So, there is no doubt that Mujibur Rahman tried hard to remain unified with Pakistan, but Pakistani rulers diverted the ongoing movement in the East Pakistan towards cessation.

Jiten Roy     



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Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:46 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah

 
Sir, I do not need any Bangla translation of that damn affidavit. Please read the whole damn thing and come back to discuss if you care. I bet, you are simply incapable of reading a 57 page document. In that affidavit, Yahya repeatedly said, Mujib was a liar and he could not trust Mujib. He blamed Bhutto too because he wanted to show that he was an innocent man? I bet you believe that too?
If you have an iota of human intelligence, you should understand on what circumstances Yahya was submitting that affidavit to a Pakistani court? The man was practically in a house arrest and forced to live with snakes and mosquitoes ( in his own words). So, you would  judge Mujib on the basis of a single translated line without the context? Can you be such prick? And, you call yourself a Mukti -Jhoddha?
If you are a lazy man, please read at least page 37 (paragraph 7). I f you have any problem with Yahya's writing, I will give you a digitized version of that paragraph. Learn your own country's history!!!

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 10:31 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
"উনি (ইয়াহিয়া খান) লিখেছিলেন, 'শেখ মুজিব একজন দেশপ্রেমিক নাগরিক। একজন দেশেপ্রেমিক নেতা। উনি পাকিস্তানের সংহতি রক্ষার চেষ্টা করেছেন…।" 

The discussion was on the above quote from Yahya's Affidavit, not the whole content. I said that I had a copy of Abu Rushd book and read it thoroughly. Nobody, not me at least me, tried to defend Yahya or Bhutto. They were both bloody villains and killers for Bangladesh.   




Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 21:17:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah
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With some distress, I have finally finished  Yahya Khan's famous affidavit (1978). Not sure on what basis a person  like Zafferullah concludes that Mujib surrendered and did not want to fight for a free Bangladesh? If anybody reads Yahya's full version of affidavit, no sane person could come up with such absurd conclusions. Did Zafferullah read the same document? Did Bahar or Ranu Choudhury read the material? Most likely not but they pretend to know everything. I call these people as typical Bangladeshi miskin intellectuals! I can go line by line with these people and show that these people are simply blinds and followers of blind leading blind culture. When I put these individuals on spot, they start name calling rather than providing any cogent answers to the questions. What is there to gain by distorting poor Yahya's affidavit? What is there to gain by maligning Mujib on false grounds? Or, this is only an English reading problem or a simple congenital symptom of cognitive deficiency?  

Yahya's writing was not perfect (see the link) but it is obvious that he wanted to save his skin from Pak government. Obviously, he blamed Bhutto and Mujib for the Pakistan breakup. Yahya considered himself as an Innocent man of our time!:-)

People should read the document to its entirety to see how these shameless BNP cadres have been trying to distort the liberation history. It is funny, that Yahya does not mention at all about that poor Kalur-Ghat fellow, the true champion of Bangladesh?

Excerpt from Yahya's affidavit! Page 32

"54) That it was the intention of the deponent to release Shaikh Mujib if he reaffirmed  his loyalty to Pakistan. It was not possible to release him otherwise because under trial over and above Agartala conspiracy case. It was not possible for the deponent to release Mujib without any rekonable guarantee about his conduct. It was the desire of Mr. Bhutto, Mujib should end up dead while in prison. The details of the military court proceedings were also furnished to the deponent. The chairman of the military court recommended that Mujib should be hanged. The deponent could confirm this sentence but he refrained doing so hurriedly and sent the whole record to the law secretary for his comments."
 
http://www.defencejournal.com/2005-12/yahya/pages/page--01.htm

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Mohammed Amirul Islam <aislam65@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just FYI,

The links are,


and go through pages. It's a legal document, so have to have patience to read it.

Good Exercise !!

Thanks,


Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 13:55:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah
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Mr Ghost De elder,

Again,  please give us your name and your daddy's name and it will be sent to your permanent address. "I am sure, in this forum no one has the time and patience to supply any link to this Ghatok Dalal committee's so-called Indian Dalal freedom fighter, (dada.) I would say, go ahead and you better help yourself to find it and submit it to your RAW boss!"

Your real name, your daddy's name and your permanent address please!

 Ha, ha, ha ... ha ha ha aaa!!!

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like you too suffer from the same dishonesty disease like Mr. Bahar. I understand that none of you has any clue what is really demanded and asked from you. You all giving me all kind of craps except the answer. Let me ask the question again. Yes, bluntly! Did you read Yahya's original affidavit? I am not asking you whether you have read Abu Rushd's edited version? I do not need another person's edited version to understand what Yahya has really said or wrote. I am not interested at all in that edited version. Would you read Shakespeare's original versions or willing to be spoon-fed by an editor? Do you understand the point?

Again, did you read the original version?
If not, please confess that you did not. I am sure Mr. Zaffrullah did not read the original version either. So, you people are basing your opinions on another person's edited version.  What a great way to create more lies and feed the unsuspecting innocent citizens! Is that acceptable? Ask an American 10th grader whether he/she would read the real version (Yahya affidavit is only 57 pages long) or and edited version? You will get the totally predicted answer. An American 10th grader is far more rigorous in his/her thought process than our BNP/Jamat old and ancient dinosaurs? What a shame!





 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:10 AM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
As Mr. Bahar said, "Secret Affidavit of Yahya Khan on 1971" is available online. Anyone can have a look at it. I have a copy of the book edited by Abu Rushd, who himself said in the Foreword:

"Gen. Yahya is nothing but a villain in our history but his accounts on 1971 surely are valuable and matters of reference in pursuing historical evidences." He equally blamed Bhutto for "the quagmire imposed" on the Bengalis of East Pakistan in 1971. Where is the evidence that the editor had any love for Pakistan or BNP or that he made up things?

To the BAKSALis, Mujib-badis and Indian agents, anything that does not go with their liking or reminds of their "god"s betrayal to the people, they find made up stories in every documents, every evidence--be that Mujib's surrender to killer Yahya, killer junta's celebration at Hasina delivery of son Joy at the Dhaka Cantonment or Mujib-Bhutto post-liberation golagoli or the books of AVM Khandakar and Sharmin Ahmed (which were and supposedly written or produced with ISI money)! Yes, truth hurts and people know the facts. They cannot be fooled!

Mujib was a hero in the 1970 elections, he was great until March 7, 1971. People even believed him on January 10, 1972. But soon he turned a betrayer, a draconian dictator to the people of Bangladesh. The most loved person became the most hated in just three years. August 15 did not just happen; Mujib invited it on himself. And, the people sighed a relief with Al-hamdulillah!



 As usual, a halfwit Jamati clown fails to strengthen his own point. If people are reinforcing the concocted lies of Yahya/ Rushd (editor) and Zaffarullah, lets see the real document. Let see how a genocidal murderer has become a true BNP/Jamat hero? If Zaffarullah had read it, lets see the full version of Yahya's affidavit. Link please!

 

On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:14:09 PM UTC-5, Abid Bahar wrote:
RAW eyes fail to see the truth.

Truth shouldn't be sought by a shapeshifter, fraudulent and shameless one called De Elder; for truth is sought by a true researcher.
The killer Yahya's affidavit has been available online for a long time. You have to have the eyes of a researcher to find it.  RAW eyes fail to see the truth.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
If this affidavit is so damaging for Mujib's role during the liberation war, why not publish the whole document for the public than paraphrasing and quoting only parts that suit for BNP chellas? I was searching for the original report and ironically, I found nothing but texts that written by other people except the General himself. Zaffarullah has not seen the document either but he wants us to scrutinize the document and give Yahya Khan the benefits of doubt as if he became a truthful man right before his death? Give me a break!  This genocidal killer would not confess his crime against the humanity but praised Mujib for being a great patriot? Did he say anything about Zia or Bhasani? Probably not  because they were not even players of any independence game.

Why would not Mujib be a patriot when he won the election for whole Pakistan? Pakistanis wanted to enslave Bengalees and Mujib went for the last option that was delivered on the 7th March. Where was the baby BNP then? In Pakistani womb? Fighting for Bangladeshi independence from Pakistani womb?

Please provide the original document or take a hike! We do not need BNP/Jamati translators, who can hardly write Bangla or English.

The only link:
The same recycled blah blah...edited by Abu Rushd with no original texts from Yahya. Zaffarullah goes further by adding Zia's name in the text as if Yahya was really concerned about Zia 'heavyweight' rebellion?

http://thelondonpost.net/pakistan-secret-affidavit-of-yahya-khan/




On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:22:09 AM UTC-5, Abid Bahar wrote:
Saytan Binashee ·
"It was not only an eye washed coward readymade surrender of She mu after the hidden arrangements for his personal and family benefits. But also the articulate green signal for the mass killings by his beloved Paki-army on 25th March, 1971. Shemu was a Paki passport holder, number one Paki-Dalal. This is the truth to expose too."

2016-01-27 18:29 GMT-05:00 Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>:
Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah
Dr. Zafrullah Chowdhury, a freedom fighter and founder of Gonoshasthaya Kendro, won many awards, and the Kendro was also awarded many prizes, including the 'Asian Nobel Prize' and the 'Alternate Nobel Prize'.  Dr. Zafrullah said, "জেনারেল ওসমানী ও তাজউদ্দিনের উপদেশ গ্রহণ না করে শেখ মুজিব পাকিস্তানিদের হাতে ধরা দিয়েছিলেন। সঙ্গে নিয়ে গেলেন কামাল হোসেনকে।" He referred to an affidavit and writ by Yahya, in which "উনি (ইয়াহিয়া খান) লিখেছিলেন, 'শেখ মুজিব একজন দেশপ্রেমিক নাগরিক। একজন দেশেপ্রেমিক নেতা। উনি পাকিস্তানের সংহতি রক্ষার চেষ্টা করেছেন…।" 

About Zia, Dr. Zafrullah said, "জিয়াউর রহমানও শেখ মুজিবকে সম্মান, শ্রদ্ধা করতেন। তাই তিনি তার নামে স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণাটা দিয়েছিলেন। এই ব্যাপারে তর্কের কোনো অবকাশ নেই। ওই ঘোষণা না হলে আমরা হয়তো পরাধীন থাকতাম, স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণাটাই ছিল মূল চালিকাশক্তি। শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান কখনো বলেননি জিয়াউর রহমান স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দেননি।" After citing various estimates by various people on the estimated death in 1971, Dr. Zafrullah paid rich tribute to Zia and BNP, "জিয়াউর রহমান জাতিকে একত্রিত করেছিলেন। বিএনপিতে যত মুক্তিযোদ্ধা আছে, অন্য কোথাও এত মুক্তিযোদ্ধা নেই; আওয়ামী লীগেও এত মুক্তিযোদ্ধা নেই। কারণ ভাসানী অনুসারী সব মুক্তিযোদ্ধা বিএনপিতে এসেছেন। বিএনপিতে যত বাম আছে অন্য কোথাও নেই। সুতরাং একটা ঘটনাই একজনকে অমর করতে পারে।"

শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান পাকিস্তানিদের হাতে ধরা দিয়েছিলেন: জাফরুল্লাহ
ডেস্ক রিপোর্ট ২৭ জানুয়ারী ২০১৬
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah



I forgot to spell out that Mujib became overconfident with his own surroundings.  And, that lead to his tragic downfall. He failed to see that the regime change was merely a game of that time that had been frequently used by both superpowers. No lesson was taken from Salvador Allende killing either despite it was so flagrant and bloody.

Mujib was not adequately paranoid to survive the first five years of his rule, period! Great leader with softer attitude did not help the country, nor his own family, who felt entitled to everything. That was simply not right for a country with so little resources.

Regarding him staying in Dacca and allowing himself to be captured was a right decision. That was really a sign of bravery. As a true leader, he hold his ground and showed that he did not fear Pak army. Fleeing to India was not an option for very good reason. It was good for India that he did not go to India.



On Sunday, February 7, 2016 7:10 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Deeldar, you are talking about Mujib being a soft target; I thought about that point also. Then, I came to the conclusion that - how could a leader ask his people to sacrifice their lives for the country, and then flee to save his own life. He truly loved people, and could not do so. His explanation for staying back was - once Pakistani junta finds him, they will go easy with the people.  
He took a calculated risk on his life staying back, and won his life and independence in the gamble with the enemy, but, lost his life in the gamble with his own people, for who he risked his life in the first place. Isn't it an utter disgrace for the people of Bangladesh?
Just think about critics, who are now saying - he surrendered.  If he left the country, they would say now - he was a selfish coward, who saved his own life by fleeing, while pushing millions into danger. You have to wonder about these people. 

Jiten Roy



From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah

 
We the independent minded people need to be very vigilant about liberation history. The silence is not an option whether we support Awami rule or not. I have no love for Awamis but I hate to see credits going to a very wrong person like Major Zia. It would be better to see Awamis coming forward with fair minds and defend Mujib's character and his contributions... no more and no less than he really deserves. The man could have been a Fidel or Mandela of South Asia but he chose to become rather a very soft target  The man was surrounded by a great number of traitors and he failed to diagnose their evil ambitions.Would history repeat itself again with Hasina?


On Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:39 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Lesson below is for the willful ignorant people on the web:
"In the evening of 25 March, Mujib convened a meeting of senior Bengali nationalist leaders, including Tajuddin Ahmad and Colonel M A G Osmani, at his residence in Dhanmondi. They were briefed by Bengali insiders within the military of an impending crackdown. The nationalist leaders decided to form a provisional government in exile in India and launch an armed struggle for independence. However, Mujib decided to remain in Dhaka and brave the looming crackdown, despite pleas by the others to join them in India. Bidding farewell to the leaders, Mujib said "I have given you independence. Now go and preserve it ".[1]
At 10 pm on 25 March, the Pakistan Armed Forces launched Operation Searchlight in the capital of East Pakistan. Tanks rolled out on the streets of Dhaka.[2] The Pakistan Army massacred students and intellectuals in Dhaka University, as well as many civilians in other parts of the city.[3] It set Hindu neighborhoods ablaze and crushed resistance from the police and the East Pakistan Rifles. At midnight, Mujib sent a wireless telegram to Chittagong instructing Awami League leaders to declare independence. The text of his telegram read:-[4]"
Deeldar, you are right – mere declaration of independence did not bring independence; it was merely a formality. Mujibur Rahman conveyed the declaration to the leaders of Awami League on the eve of 25th March, and asked them to fight for the independence. He exactly new what was befalling on Bangalees after that, and, refused to leave them.
When I hear smear campaigns by willful ignorant people, it makes me sick. These are the most disingenuous people on earth.

Jiten Roy





From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah

 
Yes, 7th March was a starting point of no return. Minds were made up from both sides and people were waiting to see who would blink first? Both sides were ready for a showdown culminating the bloody 25th March. The mere declaration from Kalurghat was an inconsequential event with no more important than a rooster declaring the sun was about to rise. Yahya does not mention Zia's name at all in his affidavit.  


On Saturday, February 6, 2016 11:09 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
"এবারের সংগ্রাম স্বাধিনাতার সংগ্রাম। - so said Sheikh Mujib
 

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah

 
And what did the Bangabandhu's 7th March message of "ghorey ghorey durgo gorey tolo, tomader ja kichhu achhe tai niey prostut thako" (make fortress out of your homes, and stay ready with whatever you have) meant? If the March 7th message was 'no more negotiation with the West Pakistani Leaders', what was going on up to March 25th? Surely on March 7th Mujib did not close the doors for negotiations with Yahya, Bhutto, et al. On the contrary, up to 25th March, he certainly tried and hoped for an intact Pakistan through negotiations.

Bangladesh surely is in need of politicians and intellectuals who could respect great people without denying/distorting facts.

SuBain

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On Saturday, February 6, 2016 7:11 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
"Sheikh Mujib did not ask people to start the liberation struggle"


Then, what he meant by:
"ঘরে ঘরে দুর্গ গরে তুল।এবারের সংগ্রাম মুক্তির সংগ্রাম । এবারের সংগ্রাম স্বাধিনাতার সংগ্রাম।"
The message Shekh Mujib conveyed in the 7th March speech was that - there was no more negotiation  with the West Pakistani Leaders, and  the only option left for Bangalees was to go for independence. That's what he meant by the statement above as well. 
After 7th March, government and non-government institutions were in total locked down mode, as per Sheikh Mujib's call. Bus and Train communication systems started to shut down one after another. I had to leave Dacca because I was afraid that I will get stuck in Dhaka and won't be able to come home. The day I left, there was a major shooting in Tongi on the procession, where East Pakistani Regiment indiscriminately fired on the unarmed people on the street. That was the first direct attack on the civilians. I saw fresh blood on the street, as I left Dhaka by bus through Tongi. Our bus did not stop at Tongi for fear of attack; fortunately, EPR returned in the barrack by then. The situation got worse after that.
I do not know where you found that Sheikh Mujib did not declare independence struggle on the 7th March. I think you are buying into bogus BNP propaganda. If I remember correctly, I first heard about Ziaur Rahman, and his statement on the radio, when I was in the refugee camp in Jalangi, Murshidabad. A lot has happened before that to force millions of people out of the country. The reason for the second declaration for the independence was to boost Bangalee-psyche in the middle of the on-going struggle. I know, it served the purpose for us.
Jiten Roy






From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah

 
I agree with almost everything Dr. Roy has written here. However, let me make a minor correction. On March 7, 1971, Sheikh Mujib did not ask people to start the liberation struggle; he asked people to prepare for the probability/possibly of a struggle for liberation/independence.

I disagree with most of what Dr. Jafforullah Chowdhury has written. But I do believe that Sheikh Mujib probably tried to find out an approximately correct casualty figure.

There is actually too much of dishonesty and distortion of history in Bangladesh; and that comes from both kinds of sociopolitical forces, anti-liberation as well as pro-liberation. It is a big shame. To learn from history and for the nation to become better, facts should be presented as they were. Interpretations can vary without denying or grossly manipulating facts.

SuBain

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On Saturday, February 6, 2016 11:33 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Most of these people, who are opining on liberation struggle, were either too young to understand the political circumstances at the time or were against the liberation struggle.
6-point movement was not about cessation; it was about autonomy and restoration of rights of Bengalees. That should be enough to prove that Mujibur Rahman did not want to break up Pakistan.
When West Pakistani rulers declined to consider any of those demands, movement took its own turn for cessation. In his historic speech on 7th March, Mujib called for independence, and asked Bangalees to start  liberation struggle. I was there and was fully engaged in  this movement.
I remember, after the speech, Mujibur Rahman remained in the background, and people took over the control of the struggle. No one could stop it after that.  
So, there is no doubt that Mujibur Rahman tried hard to remain unified with Pakistan, but Pakistani rulers diverted the ongoing movement in the East Pakistan towards cessation.

Jiten Roy     



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Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:46 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah

 
Sir, I do not need any Bangla translation of that damn affidavit. Please read the whole damn thing and come back to discuss if you care. I bet, you are simply incapable of reading a 57 page document. In that affidavit, Yahya repeatedly said, Mujib was a liar and he could not trust Mujib. He blamed Bhutto too because he wanted to show that he was an innocent man? I bet you believe that too?
If you have an iota of human intelligence, you should understand on what circumstances Yahya was submitting that affidavit to a Pakistani court? The man was practically in a house arrest and forced to live with snakes and mosquitoes ( in his own words). So, you would  judge Mujib on the basis of a single translated line without the context? Can you be such prick? And, you call yourself a Mukti -Jhoddha?
If you are a lazy man, please read at least page 37 (paragraph 7). I f you have any problem with Yahya's writing, I will give you a digitized version of that paragraph. Learn your own country's history!!!

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 10:31 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
"উনি (ইয়াহিয়া খান) লিখেছিলেন, 'শেখ মুজিব একজন দেশপ্রেমিক নাগরিক। একজন দেশেপ্রেমিক নেতা। উনি পাকিস্তানের সংহতি রক্ষার চেষ্টা করেছেন…।" 

The discussion was on the above quote from Yahya's Affidavit, not the whole content. I said that I had a copy of Abu Rushd book and read it thoroughly. Nobody, not me at least me, tried to defend Yahya or Bhutto. They were both bloody villains and killers for Bangladesh.   




Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 21:17:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah
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With some distress, I have finally finished  Yahya Khan's famous affidavit (1978). Not sure on what basis a person  like Zafferullah concludes that Mujib surrendered and did not want to fight for a free Bangladesh? If anybody reads Yahya's full version of affidavit, no sane person could come up with such absurd conclusions. Did Zafferullah read the same document? Did Bahar or Ranu Choudhury read the material? Most likely not but they pretend to know everything. I call these people as typical Bangladeshi miskin intellectuals! I can go line by line with these people and show that these people are simply blinds and followers of blind leading blind culture. When I put these individuals on spot, they start name calling rather than providing any cogent answers to the questions. What is there to gain by distorting poor Yahya's affidavit? What is there to gain by maligning Mujib on false grounds? Or, this is only an English reading problem or a simple congenital symptom of cognitive deficiency?  

Yahya's writing was not perfect (see the link) but it is obvious that he wanted to save his skin from Pak government. Obviously, he blamed Bhutto and Mujib for the Pakistan breakup. Yahya considered himself as an Innocent man of our time!:-)

People should read the document to its entirety to see how these shameless BNP cadres have been trying to distort the liberation history. It is funny, that Yahya does not mention at all about that poor Kalur-Ghat fellow, the true champion of Bangladesh?

Excerpt from Yahya's affidavit! Page 32

"54) That it was the intention of the deponent to release Shaikh Mujib if he reaffirmed  his loyalty to Pakistan. It was not possible to release him otherwise because under trial over and above Agartala conspiracy case. It was not possible for the deponent to release Mujib without any rekonable guarantee about his conduct. It was the desire of Mr. Bhutto, Mujib should end up dead while in prison. The details of the military court proceedings were also furnished to the deponent. The chairman of the military court recommended that Mujib should be hanged. The deponent could confirm this sentence but he refrained doing so hurriedly and sent the whole record to the law secretary for his comments."
 
http://www.defencejournal.com/2005-12/yahya/pages/page--01.htm

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Mohammed Amirul Islam <aislam65@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just FYI,

The links are,


and go through pages. It's a legal document, so have to have patience to read it.

Good Exercise !!

Thanks,


Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 13:55:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [LA-Discussion] Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah
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Mr Ghost De elder,

Again,  please give us your name and your daddy's name and it will be sent to your permanent address. "I am sure, in this forum no one has the time and patience to supply any link to this Ghatok Dalal committee's so-called Indian Dalal freedom fighter, (dada.) I would say, go ahead and you better help yourself to find it and submit it to your RAW boss!"

Your real name, your daddy's name and your permanent address please!

 Ha, ha, ha ... ha ha ha aaa!!!

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like you too suffer from the same dishonesty disease like Mr. Bahar. I understand that none of you has any clue what is really demanded and asked from you. You all giving me all kind of craps except the answer. Let me ask the question again. Yes, bluntly! Did you read Yahya's original affidavit? I am not asking you whether you have read Abu Rushd's edited version? I do not need another person's edited version to understand what Yahya has really said or wrote. I am not interested at all in that edited version. Would you read Shakespeare's original versions or willing to be spoon-fed by an editor? Do you understand the point?

Again, did you read the original version?
If not, please confess that you did not. I am sure Mr. Zaffrullah did not read the original version either. So, you people are basing your opinions on another person's edited version.  What a great way to create more lies and feed the unsuspecting innocent citizens! Is that acceptable? Ask an American 10th grader whether he/she would read the real version (Yahya affidavit is only 57 pages long) or and edited version? You will get the totally predicted answer. An American 10th grader is far more rigorous in his/her thought process than our BNP/Jamat old and ancient dinosaurs? What a shame!





 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:10 AM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
As Mr. Bahar said, "Secret Affidavit of Yahya Khan on 1971" is available online. Anyone can have a look at it. I have a copy of the book edited by Abu Rushd, who himself said in the Foreword:

"Gen. Yahya is nothing but a villain in our history but his accounts on 1971 surely are valuable and matters of reference in pursuing historical evidences." He equally blamed Bhutto for "the quagmire imposed" on the Bengalis of East Pakistan in 1971. Where is the evidence that the editor had any love for Pakistan or BNP or that he made up things?

To the BAKSALis, Mujib-badis and Indian agents, anything that does not go with their liking or reminds of their "god"s betrayal to the people, they find made up stories in every documents, every evidence--be that Mujib's surrender to killer Yahya, killer junta's celebration at Hasina delivery of son Joy at the Dhaka Cantonment or Mujib-Bhutto post-liberation golagoli or the books of AVM Khandakar and Sharmin Ahmed (which were and supposedly written or produced with ISI money)! Yes, truth hurts and people know the facts. They cannot be fooled!

Mujib was a hero in the 1970 elections, he was great until March 7, 1971. People even believed him on January 10, 1972. But soon he turned a betrayer, a draconian dictator to the people of Bangladesh. The most loved person became the most hated in just three years. August 15 did not just happen; Mujib invited it on himself. And, the people sighed a relief with Al-hamdulillah!



 As usual, a halfwit Jamati clown fails to strengthen his own point. If people are reinforcing the concocted lies of Yahya/ Rushd (editor) and Zaffarullah, lets see the real document. Let see how a genocidal murderer has become a true BNP/Jamat hero? If Zaffarullah had read it, lets see the full version of Yahya's affidavit. Link please!

 

On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:14:09 PM UTC-5, Abid Bahar wrote:
RAW eyes fail to see the truth.

Truth shouldn't be sought by a shapeshifter, fraudulent and shameless one called De Elder; for truth is sought by a true researcher.
The killer Yahya's affidavit has been available online for a long time. You have to have the eyes of a researcher to find it.  RAW eyes fail to see the truth.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
If this affidavit is so damaging for Mujib's role during the liberation war, why not publish the whole document for the public than paraphrasing and quoting only parts that suit for BNP chellas? I was searching for the original report and ironically, I found nothing but texts that written by other people except the General himself. Zaffarullah has not seen the document either but he wants us to scrutinize the document and give Yahya Khan the benefits of doubt as if he became a truthful man right before his death? Give me a break!  This genocidal killer would not confess his crime against the humanity but praised Mujib for being a great patriot? Did he say anything about Zia or Bhasani? Probably not  because they were not even players of any independence game.

Why would not Mujib be a patriot when he won the election for whole Pakistan? Pakistanis wanted to enslave Bengalees and Mujib went for the last option that was delivered on the 7th March. Where was the baby BNP then? In Pakistani womb? Fighting for Bangladeshi independence from Pakistani womb?

Please provide the original document or take a hike! We do not need BNP/Jamati translators, who can hardly write Bangla or English.

The only link:
The same recycled blah blah...edited by Abu Rushd with no original texts from Yahya. Zaffarullah goes further by adding Zia's name in the text as if Yahya was really concerned about Zia 'heavyweight' rebellion?

http://thelondonpost.net/pakistan-secret-affidavit-of-yahya-khan/




On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:22:09 AM UTC-5, Abid Bahar wrote:
Saytan Binashee ·
"It was not only an eye washed coward readymade surrender of She mu after the hidden arrangements for his personal and family benefits. But also the articulate green signal for the mass killings by his beloved Paki-army on 25th March, 1971. Shemu was a Paki passport holder, number one Paki-Dalal. This is the truth to expose too."

2016-01-27 18:29 GMT-05:00 Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>:
Mujib surrendered: Zafrullah
Dr. Zafrullah Chowdhury, a freedom fighter and founder of Gonoshasthaya Kendro, won many awards, and the Kendro was also awarded many prizes, including the 'Asian Nobel Prize' and the 'Alternate Nobel Prize'.  Dr. Zafrullah said, "জেনারেল ওসমানী ও তাজউদ্দিনের উপদেশ গ্রহণ না করে শেখ মুজিব পাকিস্তানিদের হাতে ধরা দিয়েছিলেন। সঙ্গে নিয়ে গেলেন কামাল হোসেনকে।" He referred to an affidavit and writ by Yahya, in which "উনি (ইয়াহিয়া খান) লিখেছিলেন, 'শেখ মুজিব একজন দেশপ্রেমিক নাগরিক। একজন দেশেপ্রেমিক নেতা। উনি পাকিস্তানের সংহতি রক্ষার চেষ্টা করেছেন…।" 

About Zia, Dr. Zafrullah said, "জিয়াউর রহমানও শেখ মুজিবকে সম্মান, শ্রদ্ধা করতেন। তাই তিনি তার নামে স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণাটা দিয়েছিলেন। এই ব্যাপারে তর্কের কোনো অবকাশ নেই। ওই ঘোষণা না হলে আমরা হয়তো পরাধীন থাকতাম, স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণাটাই ছিল মূল চালিকাশক্তি। শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান কখনো বলেননি জিয়াউর রহমান স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দেননি।" After citing various estimates by various people on the estimated death in 1971, Dr. Zafrullah paid rich tribute to Zia and BNP, "জিয়াউর রহমান জাতিকে একত্রিত করেছিলেন। বিএনপিতে যত মুক্তিযোদ্ধা আছে, অন্য কোথাও এত মুক্তিযোদ্ধা নেই; আওয়ামী লীগেও এত মুক্তিযোদ্ধা নেই। কারণ ভাসানী অনুসারী সব মুক্তিযোদ্ধা বিএনপিতে এসেছেন। বিএনপিতে যত বাম আছে অন্য কোথাও নেই। সুতরাং একটা ঘটনাই একজনকে অমর করতে পারে।"

শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান পাকিস্তানিদের হাতে ধরা দিয়েছিলেন: জাফরুল্লাহ
ডেস্ক রিপোর্ট ২৭ জানুয়ারী ২০১৬
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