Mukto-Mona Writers' Corner has posted a new item, 'Bangladesh Must Fight this
Terrorism'
The following is a pretty benign picture of what is going on in Bangladesh in
the name of democratic movement!
Opposition-called blockade supporters dug up a trench at Goreya on
Gaibandha-Palashbari road, severing road communications between Gaibandha and
other districts. Photo from the Daily Star
http://www.thedailystar.net/people-defy-blockade-3577
Isn't this picture quite generous by the current Bangladeshi standard? [...]
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RE: [mukto-mona] Omaanush
Thanks anis bhai.
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From: anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:04:40 +0000
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Well said, Saif Davdas. I couldn't agree more with you. These two women leaders in Bangladesh are not human beings, they are animals because their skins are thicker than hippos and brains smaller than pigs.
- Anis Rahman
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Subject: [mukto-mona] Omaanush
Robindronath Thakure lamented with disgust " Shaat Kothi Shontaner Hay Mughdo Jononi, Rakhacho Bangali Koray, Maanush Koroni". I submit, today things have become thousands time worse. He became disgusted and disillusioned with the politics of Gandhi, Jinnah, Patel, Nehru and Nazimuddin nearly a century ago and died a very sad old man. I am also disgusted and helpless with the politics of today. As a matter of fact collectively we are becoming even more Omaanush. This country has no soul; here everybody is corrupt to the hilt. Socalled Bhodro and Shikkhito Loks are taking their Brains and Dollars and running away from this place in droves. Two women with the help of powerful thugs rule this country with iron hand. Nobody can touch them. Both of them got no shame; They are possessed by the two deadly sins—power and ambition. The world has never witnessed such spectacle ever. There is no logic to anything. No consistency. No scientific thinking. No system. Only hordes of people moving around Sarengeti Style. Forced by my instinct I sing, 'Aamaar Shonaar Bangla Aami Shottee Tomaaye Bhalo Baashi'.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Gay mathematician gets royal pardon
I have serious problems with the words, "pardon" and "amnesty", when they are applied to victims and fighters of injustice.
Alan Turing did not do any crime, and he did not need any 'pardon'. The British government did a gross injustice to him in 1952 by castrating him. The British government and their royalty are the ones that needed pardoning by him (his departed soul or his family), not the other way around. Obviously, the British have not yet gotten civilized enough to seek an unconditional pardon from him, and are talking the nonsense of pardoning him instead.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Christmas' Pagan Origins
On page 187 of the 'A History of God' by Karen Armstrong, she said, I quote, "In 630 the city of Mecca opened its gates to Mohammad who was able to take it without bloodshed. In 632, shortly before his death, he made what has been called the Farewell Pilgrimage in which he Islamised the old Arabian pagan rites of the hajj and made this pilgrimage, which was so dear to the Arabs, the fifth pillar of the religion."
Remember that there were a large number of pagans in Arabia at that time and accepting pagan rites in Islam was to encourage them to the new religion, Islam. The Jews, however, stuck steadfastly to their religion. Even then quite a few Jewish rites had been assimilated in Islam, when Mohammad went to Medina to escape Qurayshi persecution of Muslims in Mecca.
I hope this will satisfy you.
- Anis Rahman
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 December 2013, 10:04
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Why not spend few lines to validate this. Since most theologians do not think about hajj this way. What did Karen say about hajj?
Shalom!
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From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
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Please look at Karen Armstrong's book on 'A History of God'.
- AR
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For example, both of the Muslim Eids come from pagan tradition. Even Hajj comes from pagan tradition.
>>>>>>>>> How so? Kindly share your knowledge with us.
Shalom!
Shalom!
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Subject: [mukto-mona] Christmas' Pagan Origins
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir Srinivasan
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From: ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
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Quite informative.
Many monotheistic traditions, particularly celebrations, have pagan origins. For example, both of the Muslim Eids come from pagan tradition. Even Hajj comes from pagan tradition. It is of no surprise at all as paganism predates monotheistic religions, these religions borrowed some of the practices from pagan pantheism and passed them on as divine transcendence.
- Anis Rahman
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Subject: [mukto-mona] Christmas' Pagan Origins
Christmas' Pagan Origins
Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.
No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ's birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?
The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.
In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honouring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who travelled from house to house entertaining their neighbours. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.
In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.
Huge Yule logs were burned in honour of the sun. The word Yule itself means "wheel," the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Holly berries were thought to be a food of the gods.
The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.
In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ's birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.
Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany.
Sudhir Srinivasan
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