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[mukto-mona] FW: Gaddafi In UN :There is No Equality of Members --Asia post editorial dated 25.9.09



 

 

 

Gaddafi  In UN :There is No Equality of Members  

 

 

 

Libya's president has criticized the  permanent members of the United Nations' Security Council during his first ever address to the UN General Assembly. according to agencies.In a one-and-a-half hour speech in New York on Wednesday, Muammar Gaddafi said the veto-wielding nations of the Security Council were ignoring the views of the full 192 members of the General Assembly and the principles of the UN charter."The preamble [of the charter] says all nations are equal whether they are small or big," Gaddafi said in his address.But he accused the permanent members of the council of undermining other states."The veto [held by the five permanent UN members] is against the charter, we do not accept it and we do not acknowledge it," Gaddafi said.

. "The Security Council did not provide us with security but with terror and sanctions," he said. He said the council, comprising the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China, had failed to prevent or intervene in 65 wars that have taken place since the United Nations was established in 1948.He called for $7.77 trillion in compensation to be paid to Africa from its past colonial masters, and at  one point questioned the assassination of US President John F Kennedy."The assassination of Kennedy in 1963 - we want to know, who killed him? Lee Harvey? Why was Harvey killed?" he said, referring to the man who was arrested in connection with Kennedy's murder and shot dead while being transferred between jails.

 

The five permanent members should lose their veto, or the UN should expand the council with additional member states, Gaddafi also said.

Council, it should be called the 'terror council'," he said, adding that the permanent members treat smaller countries as "second class [and] despised" nations. "Now, brothers, there is no respect for the United Nations, no regard for the General Assembly," he said.

 

We feel that Gaddafi has spoken a few relevant points though he was a very unpredictable person and there is behavioral problem in him.The UN requires reform to make it more functional and save it from tyranny of VETO. Individual states should not have veto power, we can think of collective veto power , if it is considered necessary, for instance if one third of the members of the security council votes against a resolution it should be considered veto .There are many other proposals on the table in this regard  which should be debated and considered by the UN.

 

 

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[ALOCHONA] 50 extra-judicial killings in about two months



50 extra-judicial killings in about two months

Extra-judicial killings by law enforcers continue unabated despite growing protests from political organizations, human-rights bodies and civil society members.

The total number of such killings in 'crossfire', 'shootout' and 'gunfight' rose to 50 during the period from August 1 to September 26 as three more alleged criminals were killed in encounter and one dies in police custody on Saturday of these 50 people, 19 were killed in August and 31 in 26 days of September signally that the crossfire deaths are on the rise.

According to UNB news agency and bdnews24.com, three terrorists were killed in separate encounters between their cohorts and RAB and police in Dhaka, Kushtia and Bagerhat districts and one dies in police custody in Rajshahi on Saturday.

In Kushtia, an outlawed party carder was killed in a shootout between his cohorts and RAB at Lalnagar Trimohani road in Daulatpur upazila early Saturday. The deceased was identified as Mohan Malitha, 42, cadre of Purba Banglar Communist Party and son of late Abdul Malek Malitha of Talbaria Gachhertar village in the upazila. RAB also recovered one pipe gun, two sharp weapons, three live bombs and four bullets from the scene. Police said Mohan was wanted in eight cases including seven of murder.

In Bagerhat, a ringleader of notorious forest pirate gang was killed and two police constables were injured in a shootout between his accomplices and police in Sundarbans' Nandabala area under Mongla upazila. The deceased was identified as Fashiar Rahman Sanu, 42, chief of notorious 'Sanu Bahini' and son of Shaheb Ali of Khonkarerber village of the upazila. Police recovered one cut rifle, nine rounds of bullet and six cartridges from the spot. Police said Sanu was wanted in four murder and other criminal cases.

In Rajshahi, a young man, arrested in connection with the killing of a policeman, died in Rajshahi Medical College Hospital in police custody early Saturday. The deceased was identified as Obaidullah, 38, of Atua village in Godagari upazila.

bdnews24.com said, an alleged gangster was killed in a so-called 'gunfight' with the police at Mirpur in Dhaka early on Saturday. 'Johnny' alias 'Pathan Johnny', 28, was a member of 'Bikash terror gang', the police claimed. Al Amin, 30, an associate of the slain gangster, was arrested, while two others escaped.

Earlier, human rights watchdog Odhikar said 19 people were killed in crossfire with RAB and police in August and most of them occurring in the southwestern region especially in Kushtia. The human-rights organizations have long been asking the government to stop the] killings terming them extra judicial. The High Court on June 29 asked the government to explain why killing without trial in so-called crossfire or encounter will not be declared illegal, and why departmental and criminal actions should not be taken against those who perpetrate such killings in custody and outside.

RAB recently said as many as 577 people were killed in 'crossfire' in 472 incidents until Aug 31 since the formation of the elite force on March 26, 2004.

Meanwhile, Home minister Sahara Khatun recently said that the ongoing crackdown on outlaws and extremists in the southwest is based on a list prepared by the law-enforcement agencies. "The law-enforcers are carrying out the clampdown as the extremists and terrorists regrouped in the south-western region," the minister told reporters at the Secretariat recently.

However, State Minister for Home Advocate Shamsul Haque Tuku said recently that nothing like crossfire exists. "The incidents of this sort take place when the law- enforcers try for self-defense during operation against the terrorists," he said.

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[ALOCHONA] Some BNP leaders also had DGFI link: Abbas



Some BNP leaders also had DGFI link: Abbas

BNP joint secretary general Mirza Abbas yesterday alleged that a group of BNP leaders were in contact with DGFI (Directorate General of the Forces Intelligence) during the military-backed caretaker government of Dr Fakhruddin Ahmed.(The Independent)

"Like some Awami League leaders, a section of BNP leaders, too used to contact DGFI members on a regular basis to destroy BNP and oust BNP chairperson Khaleda Zia from the conutry," he said while talking to media personnel at his Sahjanpur residence in the city.

Referring to the statement of AL leader Abdul Jalil in London on September 23, he said, "Abdul Jalil is absolutely right. His remarks truly reflected the real situation of the state of emergency."

At that time leaders like Mannan Bhuiyan (former BNP secretary general) had been able to save themselves due to their contact with the DGFI, he added.

He also expressed concern over the future of the country.

"It is difficult to comment on the future of the country. We don't know whether we are going to face military rule again," said the BNP leader.

Criticising the government for its 'ill-treatment of the opposition,' he said their style of governance might lead to military intervention again."

About the internal conflict in the party he said, "BNP's position is not so strong today as it was before due to the conspiracy against the party during the military-backed caretaker government."

"Those who were involved in intrigues and plots against the party during the caretaker government might be pardoned but should not be rewarded," opined the senior BNP leader.

Meanwhile, senior BNP leader Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury's series of comments on the party and its leaders have created sharp reaction in the party high command.

While talking to The Independent yesterday BNP's senior leaders avoided direct comment on Salahuddin Quader's remarks saying that party high command will discuss the matter and determine the next course of action.

BNP standing committee member Khandaker Moshraf Hossain, vice-chairman MK Anwar, joint secretary general Nazrul Islam Khan, Dhaka city corporation mayor Sadeque Hossain Khoka, whip Joynal Abedin Faruk and joint secretary general Gayeshwar Chandra Roy more or less talked in the same vein and said those who love the party should refrain from making any comment against its interest.

Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury's recent remarks on BNP senior joint secretary general Tarique Rahman, the leadership of Dhaka metropolitan city unit of BNP and reformist leaders have fuelled resentment among party leaders.

Following his comment, BNP leaders from the grassroots level to central level are confused about his (Salahuddin) motive. Meanwhile, a faction of BNP leaders and workers demanded his expulsion from the as they claimed he had violated party discipline. Even the BNP chairperson Khaleda Zia is said to be embarrassed by it.

According to party insiders, the leaders and activists loyal to Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury, are now trying their best to impress on Khaleda Zia that this issue is not a serious one and should not be taken seriously.

When contacted, Khandaker Mosharraf Hossain said that he would not comment on the issue.

"I shall not make any comment about Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury's remark. It is not BNP's statement. It is his (Salahuddin ) personal opinion," he said.

MK Anwar said that he was not interested to give any opinion on Chowdhury's remark.

"If anyone's remarks affect the BNP's interest, party's high command will take decision about him. So I don't have anything to say on the issue," he commented.

Nazrul Islam Khan said, "I don't have any personal comment on Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury's remark. The party's high command will deal with the issue."

Talking to The Independent Sadeque Hossain Khoka said Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury's remark will be discussed in the party forum.

"Certainly, the issue will be discussed in the party's forum and BNP's high command will take decision whether party's image is tarnished by Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury's comment," he said.

BNP whip Joynal Abedin Faruk said, the leaders who have the real love and affection for BNP should refrain from any blame game that affect the party's interest.

"As a worker of a BNP, I think we should refrain from blame game as it does not bring any good to the party. The BNP leaders and workers now will have to work together and raise united voice against government's repression instead of blaming each other," he said.

Meanwhile, a group of BNP activists of Dhaka City brought out a procession yesterday in front of BNP chairperson's Gulshan office against the remarks of Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury.
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[ALOCHONA] Jalil’s Partial Disclosures- What Else Left?



Jalil's Partial Disclosures- What Else Left?

Former Awami League General Secretary Abdul Jalil's some disclosures about the Party's high ups immoral secret deals in the December 2008 Bangladesh election made in London on the 24th September published there and also in many Dhaka dailies on the 25th and continued on the 26th though have produced some uproar in conscious circles were certainly not everything connected with the black deal that he also has hinted at to disclose more facts in the clandestine matter.
 
Whatever Jalil has disclosed about for saddling the Awami League to the power of the State of Bangladesh and Sheikh Hasina the Prime Minister for the second term secretly with person to person contact, Sheikh Rehana, Hasina's younger sister and the most likely immediate inheritance to the throne following Hasina, being the crucial player in the deplorable immoral game. The other player, he mentioned, was a national organization, could have been misplaced for the reason that some key person in the organization could have been in the fowl game but cannot certainly be the whole organization involving every one in the set up. These disclosures though new in the mouth are nothing new to circles that had been keeping track of things in the nasty game for the last nine months. However the cynics got a reconfirmation of what they have been hunching about and looking for reconfirmation in the matter.
 
What must be deeply probed into for the dignity and security of the nation is that there had been other more important players that Jalil did not disclose. Whether he would know and even if he knew all about would disclose in public is uncertain.
 
The whole game of satanic nexus 1/11, the Caretaker Government and the Army Chief Moin had been actively joined by Indian central intelligence agency R&AW. Whoever of the DGFI did help in the deal, it was due to Moin's direct initiative and order, because he was the head not only of the defense forces but also of the DGFI. The Indian Bengali High Commissioner in Dhaka Pinak in concert with some other powerful players played the external decisive role that was played, if Jalil said the truth about, internally by Rehana. The two in groups joined hands in the secret deal. Even if Jalil knows about this nexus he is not going to disclose it, I am afraid. It is amazing to note that Jalil has not mentioned the name of Moin who had been the key player in the whole game from 1/11 to the safe exit from Dhaka following his 'retirement' from the Army, despite his every attempts to get another extension that Hasina was very much willing to give Moin but could not do so for otherwise pressures from within.
 
The Awami League has been hardly any of democratic but all through a fascist organization. Power game is the only issue dear to their leaders. Though money- making goes with politics in Bangladesh and Jalil being one of the successful bankers need not go for money making possibly any more now onwards, he had very likely high hopes for power in the administration that he longed this time but failed to get hold of with no hope in future. His frustration might as such be the cause for the outburst even though that risked his life and profession in Bangladesh. Now the question is, would he go on saying all other truths or put a stop to the rest he has not disclosed yet.



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[mukto-mona] Refreshing your knowledge (wonderful articles)!



Short but incredible articles.
 
Please go through all of them:
 

চাঁদে বসতি স্থাপনের সম্ভাবনা

গুগলের ফাস্ট ফ্লিপ

হোন্ডার নতুন ইউনিসাইকেল

নারী কাজ করে পুরুষের দ্বিগুন! 

হোমমেড কাপড়ে ভারতীয় ডিজাইনারের সাফল্য

ফেসবুকের কমেন্টের কারণে আত্মহত্যা করল এক বৃটিশ তরুণী

কানাডায় ঈদ উৎসব

সিডনিতে ঈদুল ফিতর  উদ্‌যাপন

কী পরিমাণ ঘুম আমাদের জন্য যথেষ্ট?

আপনার কেন ফল খাওয়া অত্যন্ত দরকার?

রমজানের পর আবার স্বাভাবিক খাদ্যাভ্যাসে ফিরে যান

Regards,
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[mukto-mona] UN called Israel to open its nuclear facilities to UN inspection



But who will bell the cat?
 
Israel pressured on nuclear sites
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/09/2009918173136830771.html
Israel has never confirmed or denied whether it
has nuclear weapons [GALLO/GETTY] 
The UN nuclear assembly has called for Israel to open its nuclear facilities to UN inspection and sign up to the non-proliferation treaty.
The resolution, which was passed narrowly on Friday, marked a surprise victory for Arab states and others who have pushed for the move for the last 18 years.
The non-binding resolution voiced concern about "Israeli nuclear capabilities" and urged the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN's nuclear watchdog, to tackle the issue.
Israel vowed it would not co-operate, saying the measure singled it out while many of its neighbours remained hostile to its existence.
"Israel will not co-operate in any matter with this resolution which is only aiming at reinforcing political hostilities and lines of division in the Middle East region," said David Danieli, the chief Israeli delegate.
'Glorious moment'
Israel is one of only three countries worldwide - along with India and Pakistan - outside the non-proliferation treaty (NPT) and is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal.
It has never confirmed nor denied that it has nuclear weapons.
Ali Asghar Soltanieh, the Iranian ambassador, whose country's disputed nuclear programme is under IAEA investigation, said the vote was a "glorious moment" and "a triumph for the oppressed nation of Palestine".
Speaking later to Al Jazeera, Soltanieh said: "All like-minded, peace-loving countries have always called for a resolution to take measures to push Israel to stop their nuclear weapon programme and adhere to the NPT and put every nuclear installation under the IAEA.
"All countries in the Middle East are party to the NPT - the only non-party is Israel ... the resolution was addressed to the only non-participatory [state] in the Middle East.
Tehran was one of the 21 countries sponsoring the measure.
Iran absorbed a setback later when its bid to make legally binding a 1991 resolution banning attacks on nuclear sites failed to win a consensus from the bloc of Non-Aligned Movement developing nations and so was not brought up for a vote.
UN Security Council members Russia and China backed the Israel resolution, passed by a 49-45 margin by the IAEA's annual member states gathering. There were 16 abstentions.
Western states said it was unfair and counterproductive to isolate one member state and that an IAEA resolution passed on Thursday, which urged all Middle East nations including Israel to foreswear atomic bombs, made Friday's proposal unnecessary.
Western backing
Before the vote, Glyn Davies, the US ambassador, said the resolution was "redundant ... such an approach is highly politicised and does not address the complexities at play regarding crucial nuclear-related issues in the Middle East".
Canada tried to block a vote on the floor with a "no-action motion", a procedural manoeuvre that prevailed in 2007 and 2008, but lost by an eight-vote margin.
Diplomats from the non-aligned movement of developing nations said times had changed with the advent of the US administration of Barack Obama, the US president.
"People and countries are bolder now, willing to call a spade a spade. You cannot hide or ignore the truth, the double standards, of Israel's nuclear capability forever," the Reuters news agency quoted one diplomat as saying.
"The new US administration has certainly helped this thinking with its commitment to universal nuclear disarmament and nuclear weapons-free zones."
The non-binding measure was last voted on in 1991, when IAEA membership was much smaller, and passed by 39-31.
With Regards

Abi
 

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Re: [mukto-mona] Defeat of Talibans inevitable

Excellent comments!  

 

White Americans are not street smart. They are inexperienced and naive in their world-views. They have neglected for so long educating Americans the history of the world civilization and the progress of the religious fundamentalism in the world. Their leaders are mostly self-centered and are looking for personal gains rather than the National interests. As a result, leaders take wrong decisions most of the times. One President puts the missile defense, another pulls it out. They do not care about billions of dollars, if not trillions, invested and lost in the process. Who pays for these, the stupid tax-payers, like you and me, and country goes broke?  They do not understand that the problem is not going away if they close the shop in Afghanistan. This battle has to be fought, if not today, it will be tomorrow.

--- On Mon, 9/21/09, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com> wrote:


From: SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Defeat of Talibans inevitable
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Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 7:51 AM

 

Bring back our troops? For what? You want to enjoy the milk and honey and don't want to earn it with your blood and sweat? You say they are fighting for 72 virgins over there and what are we fighting for? We are fighting for 72 over here—what's the difference?  Search for the Truth is riddled with unimaginable hardship. let's travel this path with ultimate courage and conviction. As Gandhiji so eloquently said, 'One man standing for Truth makes a majority'. These Talibans are the symbol of militant Islam---bold, reckless, sense-less, suicidal, materialistic, sparing nothing, fearing nothing,  and  contemptuous of the infidel powers. You, I, Putin, and Obama--must become as bold, as reckless, as senseless, as suicidal, spare nothing, fear nothing and contemptuous of the forces of darkness and the forces of backwardness.  Time has come for us, the Americans, to take one last stand. This is our defining moment. This is the moment that defines the testicular fortitude of a proud people. This is the stuff the Great Nations are made of. This is our moment of truth—to live with dignity or to die with dignity—there cannot be any other option. If we abandon Afghanistan —the Talibans will win and take the country to the days of 7th Century Arabia . Progressive forces will immigrate to the West, Women's fate will be sealed, human rights vanished, and constitutional form of Government can kiss its ass good bye. It is very tempting for us to make a deal with them. Mr. President--please don't. If we abdicate our historical responsibility, for the sake of expediency, we will be condemned by the history and it will be the beginning of the end.  For the survival of the Human Race--We the Americans must defeat the Talibans--just as we had decisively defeated Nazism, Fascism, Communism, and Totalitarism. The alternative is another bloodbath, destabilization in Pakistan , a civil war and a possible Nuclear Armageddon.

SaifDevdas
islam1234@msn.com


To: mukto-mona@yahoogro ups.com
From: tarekfatah@rogers. com
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:36:29 -0400
Subject: [mukto-mona] We've lost the war in Afghanistan: Now recall the troops


We've lost the war: Now recall the troops
 
"This sham must end. So long as we remain unwilling to challenge the ideology of jihad, let us admit defeat and retreat."

Tarek Fatah
The National Post

Eight years after 9/11 and over a trillion dollars later, with tens of thousands dead and Iraq and Afghanistan devastated, it is time to come to terms with the writing on the wall: We have lost the war. The Islamist jihadis have won it. We must acknowledge defeat and bring our troops home.

In a war between those who desire death and those who treasure their RRSPs and IRAs, the outcome is predictable. Canadian soldiers are professional, but mission-less armies have never fared well on the battlefield. American soldiers, who enlist primarily with the objective of obtaining a college degree, will never be able to defeat their counterparts, who view their freshman year as starting in paradise on the banks of rivers of milk and honey surrounded by 72 virgins.

There were times when the West faced tyrants with vigour and bravery, ready to sacrifice its sons so that freedom and equality would not be compromised. Tens of thousands of young Canadian men died fighting the Nazis and their parents and citizenry held back their tears. Today, only 130 men have died, but Canadians are reacting as if it were 130,000. A people unwilling to make sacrifices do not deserve to fight wars, let alone win them.

Mohamed Atta and his boys must be laughing at us, mocking us from heaven. They were sent to attack us, armed with an ideology financed by Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brotherhood. And who did we attack? Not Saudi Arabia. No, we made it worse by declaring our sworn enemy as our ally and then pounding on Afghanistan and then Iraq.

Today we lie at the mercy of the Taliban on one hand and are threatened by the infiltration of extremist Islamists at all levels of government and civic society in the U.K., U.S. and Canada on the other. The great Anglo-Saxon alliance that helped defeat the Nazi war machinery in less than four years is abandoning the battle ground of ideas, quietly surrendering its own heritage of European Enlightenment, secular liberal democracy and universal human rights to the seemingly harmless doctrine of post-modernist multiculturalism that has embraced Islamism.

Today, as British troops fight the Islamist jihadis in Helmand province, one of their own Cabinet Ministers, Shahid Malik, makes the public claim that within five years, Britain will have 16 Muslim MPs, and within 30 years, the country will have a Muslim Prime Minister. In the U.S., a bumbling President who knows the threat of Islamism and the Muslim Brotherhood ideology very well still bends over backwards and welcomes the bearers of this doctrine into his inner circle.

Imagine fighting the U.S.S.R. without confronting the ideology of Stalinism. Could we have won? Not a chance. Today we are fighting Islamist jihadism, yet neither Obama nor the British PM nor Harper or Ignatieff dare utter one word against the ideology that attacked us all on 9/11. So what is this war for? To sustain the 60,000 private corporations that feed what Eisenhower referred to as the American Military-Industrial complex?

What is our professional Canadian army doing in Afghanistan if Obama is reaching out to accommodate the very ideology that created the Taliban and al-Qaeda? This is insanity. Bring back our troops, not because I do not wish to inflict a defeat on the jihadis, but because we are being betrayed by NATO and the U.S., who sent them there.

If we and our American-British allies do not have the spine to challenge the Islamist doctrines, send our soldiers home. To fight malaria, we need to drain the swamp, not kill individual mosquitoes, one at a time. Our young men and women must not be gun fodder for the profiteers who befriend the Saudis, but bomb the Afghans while trading with the Iranian ayatollahs.

This sham must end. So long as we remain unwilling to challenge the ideology of jihad, let us admit defeat and retreat








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Great show Farida. What else one can expect fron this lot? But these very people as majority playing havoc all over. I suppose its democracy we practice in feudal mind set. How to bring them to the time zone of today! Do you ve any idea or any one?  Emon Ahmad 

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Subject: Fwd: FW: Welcome to Pakistan - or india.
 
You must have seen some of these before, as I had.  Among the many gems, I loved the 'open for 25 hours' and the timely 'warning' re the elevator shaft so that you wouldn't go DOWN without the elevator car!
 
 
 


 
 


 

 
 

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 

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Dear Mr. Guha,
 
I have read the news in BDnews24 today, where I saw that PM of Bangladesh has said in US today that all minority's demand would be fulfilled gradually but it would take time. It must be a very good statement by the PM of Bangladesh. But what I could not be agreed with her is that the word "minority," which is created by the Jamayat and BNP regime. Do you agree with me? I have never heard from the Congress party of India such a word like this. I strongly criticise PM's "MINORITY" word using. It is really sad and shameful for us and progressive party Awamileage who believe in BANGLI JATIOTABAD and Secular Bangladesh. There should not be any minority or majority. Bangladesh is for bangalees, does not mettar of it's religion, believe, colour or language.
 
 
 

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Assalamu Alaikum. This discussion on the ruling of Islam and its punishment (kindly see below) is extreme kind of misinterpretation and  just  based on writings of petty persons like Jamila Hussain and Jack S. Blocker. They are nothing compared to Abu Hanifa or Imam Malik or the early commentators of the Quran.

 

The prohibition of all kinds of intoxicating drinks is an agreed point among all schools of Islamic  schools of thought. This is an Ijma of the Ummah.

 

Anything which is evil in nature according to the Quran or well-established Sunnah is liable to punishment either as Hadd  ( punishment prescribed by the Quran or Sunnah ) or a Tajiir punishment ( punishment prescribed by Muslim state or judicial authority ).In this case most scholars and schools of thought agree that the punishment is application of  lashes.

If Pakistan Supreme Court has fixed the size of the whip or stick, it has been done appropriately to avoid too much rigor. Similarly if they have said that there are crimes more evil than drinking, it is not wrong as murder, rape, dacoity etc are worse crimes.

 

Gunah Qabirah is a matter of definition, some consider only few  as Qabirah and some others consider as many as two hundred as Qabira sin ( for instance Az Zahabi) .However there is no doubt that all consider wine drinking as a contemptible sin which should be punished.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

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From: Faisal Siddiqui, MD. <faisalanissiddiqui@yahoo.com>
Subject: [DOW ALUMNI] From lashes to strokes
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1:26 PM

 

The lingering Islamisation milieu put together by the Ziaul Haq dictatorship got a beating recently. In May this year, in an unprecedented move, the Federal Shariat Court declared that the consumption of alcohol in Islam was a (comparatively) lesser crime. The court duly overturned the punishment of applying 80 lashes to the seller and consumer of alcohol (with a whip) and replaced it with light ’strokes from a stick made from a palm tree leave.’

In her book, Islam, Its Laws & Society, Islamic law expert Jamila Hussain states that though the Quran ‘advises’ Muslims to stay away from wine (khamr), it does not outright forbid it like it does carrion meat, blood, pork, and idolatry. She also states that neither does the Holy Book prescribe any punishment for consuming alcohol.

In ‘Alcohol and Temperance in Modern History’, author Jack S. Blocker informs that the punishment of flogging for drunkenness was derived from the writings of ulema who constructed the four leading schools of jurisprudence in Sunni Islam - Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hanabali - in the eighth and ninth centuries. The source of this punishment is not the Quran, but an hadith attributed to the first caliph of Islam, Abu Baker.

There are five verses in the Quran dealing with the subject of intoxicants:

Verse 67 of Surah 16 (The Bee) states: ‘And of the fruits of the date-palm, and grapes, from which you derive strong drink and good nourishment. Lo! therein is indeed a portent for people who have sense.’ (Marmaduke Pickthall translation) . In this verse, the Quran recognises man’s custom of deriving intoxicating drinks from grapes and dates.

Verse 43 of Surah 4 (Women) states: ‘O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged (intoxicated)…’ (Yousuf Ali translation) . In this Surah, the Quran asks Muslims not to arrive at the mosque when intoxicated.

Verse 219 of Surah 2 (The Cow) states: ‘They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.’ (Ahmad Ali translation) . God then advises his subjects to avoid drinking and gambling, because even though there are benefits in both, the harms are more in number.

However, it is the fourth and fifth intoxicant-related verses that have created the biggest debates between conservative and liberal Islamic scholars.

Verse 90 of Surah 5 (The Table) states: ‘O believers, this wine and gambling, these idols, and these arrows you use for divination, are all acts of Satan; so keep away from them.’ Verse 91 of the same Surah adds: ‘Satan only wishes to create among you enmity and hatred through wine and gambling, and to divert you from the remembrance of God and prayer. Will you therefore not desist?’ (Ahmad Ali)

These are the verses most conservative scholars use to proclaim drinking as an ‘unpardonable sin’ (gunnah-e-kabeera) , and justify the punishment of 40-to-80 lashes for its sale and usage, even though, clearly, there is no such punishment proscribed in these verses.

Most liberal Hanifi and secular Islamic scholars suggest that though the Quran has explicitly ‘advised’ Muslims to avoid drinking alcohol, its consumption is in not a ‘gunnah-e-kabeera’.

They use the following verse to press their point (5:3): ‘Forbidden to you is carrion and blood, and the flesh of the swine, and whatsoever has been killed in the name of some other than God, and whatever has been strangled, or killed by a blow or a fall, or by goring, or that which has been mauled by wild beasts unless slaughtered while still alive; and that which has been slaughtered at altars is forbidden, and also dividing the meat by casting lots with arrows. All this is sinful.’ (Ahmad Ali).

These scholars maintain that this verse visibly states the items that fall into the bracket of what is strictly forbidden (as food and drink) in Islam and that alcohol is not part of this list.

This is why most regions that follow the Hanifi school of jurisprudence (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Bosnia, Albania), have traditionally been somewhat reluctant to prescribe the lashing punishment for drinking.

However, ironically, it was the secular government of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (under pressure from fundamentalist opposition), that banned the sale of alcohol in Pakistan in 1977. Its consumption was then turned into a crime by Zia, punishable under his controversial Hudood Ordinances (80 lashes).

Zia’s move in this context gave birth to a thriving bootlegging mafia, also triggering the widespread usage of easily available addictive drugs such as heroin as an alternative. For example, till 1979, Pakistan literally had just a single reported case of heroin addiction, but by 1985, it had the second-largest population of heroin addicts!

Many scholars had accused Zia of corrupting Pakistan’s Hanifi tradition by adulterating it with chunks of ultra-conservative fiqh that was never part of the subcontinental Muslims’ religious landscape.

Though no Pakistani has been flogged for the offence of consuming alcohol since 1981, the Shariat Court’s verdict must have come as a serious blow to the architectural remnants of Zia’s skewed Islamisation process, and its convoluted notions of an Islamic state and pious citizens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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