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Friday, December 18, 2009

[mukto-mona] Kolkata High Court sponsoring Pedophilia & Conversions:

Kolkata High Court sponsoring Pedophilia & Conversions:

In a strange order a division bench supported religious conversion to Islam of a 15 year child and `marriage' of this young Hindu girl to an elder Muslim man. In most civilized society the man would have been punished with 7-10 years jail and even death at many western nations! In India age of marriage for Muslim women is 15 and others 18 minimum but convcersion by consent of a non-Muslim to Islam can happen only when he/she is adult or atleast 18 years old. Also, latest order of Supreme Court has said that Indian women of any faith can marry if their minimum age is 16 which reduced the age by 2 years for others from 18 and increased by 1 year from 15 for Muslims but, this order has violated all these norms and even the girl's father a Hindu Congress leader failed to protect her child.
Original News: http://www.anandabazar.com/archive/1091217/17mur4.htm
English Translation - http://hindusamhati.org/
All legal professionals and patriots must to do the needful to save India and her daughters from foreign faiths and their supporters through PILs, etc and propagating this news!
http://hindunationalismmuslimunity.blogspot.com/2009/10/indian-govt-gives-taxpayer-money-in.html


While only Hindu Party of India BJP shows no sign of recovery as Advani shamelessly carries on inspite of repeated losses under his reign and 60+ leaders are being promoted as young ones when the need is real youths like Varun Gandhi & Vinay Katiyar, etc - http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20091218/818/tnl-new-chapter-for-me-will-not-quit-act.html
No wonder there is none to protest now on the Congress Govt pampering Jihadis like Afzal & Kasab through costly trials instead of hanging them - http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20091218/812/tnl-kasab-s-sensational-u-turn-aimed-at.html

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[ALOCHONA] Fw: .When China Rules the World



--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Factification <factia@gmail.com> wrote: 

When China Rules the World

Editor's note: One of the first articles ever to appear on Truthdig was a dig led by Orville Schell, who asked the question "China: Boom or Boomerang?" Years later, with China's economy continuing to thrive amidst a global economic meltdown, the answer seems obvious. But a boom to what end? China's rise is well documented, yet it remains one of the most misunderstood countries in the world.

China will soon become "the most powerful and influential country in the world," says celebrated journalist Martin Jacques. It is predicted that by 2050, China's economy will be twice that of the United States. What will Beijing do with all that power and influence?

PART 1: A Chinese Primacy in the Making

Robert Scheer:  Hi, I'm Robert Scheer, the editor of Truthdig.com, and as part of our commitment to dealing with books—our book review section, our interviews with authors—we think that books represent a vibrant source of information, the old media is still very relevant in the new-media world. And it's actually a pleasure to talk about a book that in a very exciting way deals with a very important and complex subject: "When China Rules the World" by Martin Jacques, who is a well-known writer, and particularly in England, where he writes for the Guardian newspaper and has covered international affairs.

So, my first question: "When China Rules the World: The End of the Western World and the Birth of a New Global Order." Are you some kind of agent provocateur? This is to sell books? You don't believe this, do you?

Martin Jacques: Of course China will not rule the world any more than the United States has ruled the world for the last 60 years, or Britain before. But I think China will, in time, become the most powerful and influential country in the world, and that's what I mean by ruling the world.

Scheer: Why do you feel this? Because there are people who feel, oh, this is just a bubble, and they'll blow away, and all they make are T-shirts, and where's their imagination, and they'll never be able to design, and so forth.

Jacques: The thing is that for the last 30 years, China has had a hugely impressive economic performance. It's been growing double-digit growth, the size of the economy doubling every seven years, and they're responsible for the greatest reduction in poverty the world's ever seen. And the consequence of this is that China is now a rapidly growing economy, projected by Goldman Sachs figures to overtake the size of the American economy in 2027, which is not so far ahead. And this is obviously more speculative, but by 2050 it will have an economy which is twice the size of that of the United States.

Scheer: But why use the word rule? You know, "When China Rules the World"? Do you mean it in the sense that they will take over, they will tell us what to do?

Jacques: No, but I mean it in this sense: that when a country of power becomes globally hegemonic, it basically sets the rules. It designs the major institutions. It has a huge reach, not just economically, but politically, culturally, intellectually, morally, militarily. Look at the United States and the way in which—or the West in general, before that Europe—have really set the tone of the world, the agenda for the world, overwhelmingly. Very few other countries have had a real look-in in that period. Now, the rise of China will see the same sort of phenomena, I think, which is that China will increasingly set the rules for the world, if you like.

Scheer: Yeah, but the Chinese are in many ways becoming more like us. Would these rules really be so very different? I just read a story where the amount of English used in China now approaches the level of India, which is amazing, given that English was there in India because of their colonial experience, and that in China it's pretty difficult to make the transition from Mandarin to English, and yet they're getting the numbers even on that. Won't they be looking very much like us? What about the theory that the nation-state will disappear, that it doesn't matter where the center of economic activity is? We'll all pretty much even look alike through plastic surgery, we'll watch the same movies, we'll think the same way, we'll have the same kind of, sort of democratic order, isn't that the expectation?

Jacques: No, I think this is, to be quite blunt about it, balderdash. I mean, it's certainly true that the Chinese are learning English, but they don't learn it to speak in China, they learn it to speak with foreigners who speak English; it's an interlocutor language. And we shouldn't forget that twice as many people speak Chinese in the world as speak English as a first or second language. And while it's certainly true that China has learned heavily from the West over the past 30 years in terms of technology, in terms of markets and so on, at the same time it remains profoundly different. And this is the point about modernization. People think of it as a process of Westernization. Well, maybe in part it is a process of Westernization, but only in part. Because modernization is also shaped by history and culture, so if your history and culture is very distinct and very different from that of the West, which in the case of China it most certainly is, the result will be a very different kind of society, a very different kind of identity. There is a classic example, actually; we don't have to look very far, because it's embedded in history: Japan. People think of Japan sometimes as a Western-style society; this is not true. Japan is profoundly different from the West. It's got very different political and cultural characteristics; it works in a very different way, even though it is, on the face of it, to be Western. You go to Japan, you immediately know: This is very different.

Scheer: Right. And China, as you've written, will likely be even more so. You stress in your writing the thousands of years of Chinese history, that this is not kidding around, and it's not just because the Communist Party happens to be in power—that there's the notion of the state, the notion of the responsibility to the citizen, that goes back. Do you want to talk about that a little bit? We seem to miss that.

Jacques: Yeah. Well, I think—the bedrock idea, I think, in trying to understand China—you can't understand China using Western concepts alone, or even mainly. China dates back at least 2,000 years to the victory of the Qin at the end of the Warring States Period, when it began to assume, roughly, its present borders, at least on the eastern part of China. So it has a 2,000-year history, and it is that 2,000-year history which defines the Chinese sense of identity—you know, the ideographic language, Confucian values, very distinctive idea of the family, and so on. So the Chinese sense of who they are comes not from the nation-state period—which is just the last hundred years, which is nothing in terms of Chinese history—but comes from 2,000 years ago. And the result is that the way China works, and the institutions that China possesses, are defined by this extraordinary history and the sheer vastness and diversity of the country. So, for example, the state is a very different kind of institution, I think, in China, to what it is in Western countries. Essentially, the state is seen by the Chinese as the custodian, the guardian, the embodiment of the civilization, the civilization-state. And for that reason it enjoys much greater authority, much greater legitimacy than any Western state does amongst its people, even though not a single vote is cast.

Scheer: Well, votes are cast, but they're not cast for the top. …

Jacques: Well, they're not cast in a way that's familiar to us, that's for sure.

Scheer: Yeah. Well, let's talk about that a bit, because this is probably the most provocative notion that I think you're putting forth: that we don't own the franchise on the modern model. Or the democratic model, or the freedom model, or the human rights model. And you're arguing—and this scares people, because they think you're going to start justifying tyranny, and you're going to start rationalizing, you know, for maltreating people and so forth. But you have suggested in your writing that maybe they have the capacity to come up with something different that may also be better in some respects.

Jacques: It will be different, that's for certain. And I think in some respects—I mean, it's very difficult to know, because one is projecting so much into the future—but I would imagine that in some respects it will be better. Maybe in some respects it will be worse. But in some respects I think it will be different. I think the idea that the West has a monopoly of all things that are good and wise, and everyone else is still sort of in a form of barbarianism, and as they develop they'll become like the West—I think this is a very hubristic way of thinking. I think every culture, or most cultures in the world, have their own bit of genius, their own bit of wisdom. Values like accountability, representivity, tolerance are not Western values alone. Most cultures have, in some way, embodied them. And there's no doubt at all that there's some fine values in the Chinese tradition. What one has to distinguish, I think, is between—it's dangerous to compare a developing country with a developed country. And this is constantly—we insist that the developing world is like the developed world, that we measure them by the same standards of human rights, of democracy, and so on. But in fact they're in very different situations, very different circumstances to us. I mean, when we went through our industrial revolutions—the United States, the European countries—we weren't democratic. We didn't have universal suffrage. So why do we insist that they have the same standards as we do now when we didn't have them at their level of development? So we need to be historical rather than ahistorical about it.

Continued: Pluses and Minuses of Homogeny

 

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[ALOCHONA] Fw:RE: Same enemies; same blunders?



 
Fw:RE: Same enemies; same blunders?
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM, <saeva@aol.com> wrote:
No, not at all. Truth must be told so that we learn from it and use it to better position ourselves against falsehoods. Sk. Mujib was a Bengali Muslim who had many shortcomings, as any other human being.
 
There is little doubt that he was ill-advised on many occasions. Our people have a history of sycophancy that corrupts the minds of our leaders, letting them believe in their greatness of vision and soundness of mind. Once the tide turns, it is the same group that will be the first ones to disown their masters!

Many believe that Mujib's signing away of the War Crimes Trial of the war criminals was solely because he felt that without this he couldn't get support from the Saudis and other oil-rich countries - all of whom were pro-Pakistan and none pro-Bangladesh, except the Palestinians and the Egyptians. I remember when I came to North America for my studies in the late 1970s how I had to explain every Muslim student from outside about the dirty and ugly truth of our Pakistani brothers. What surprised me most is that most Pakistanis were so brainwashed that they had no clue of what had gone wrong in their E. Pakistan. Some Punjabi students even told me that when 16th December came with official recognition that Bangladesh had emerged, many were crying. Many of them, outside the army families, did not have any clue what their guys had done inside the then E. Pakistan.

In a hindsight, Sk. Mujib could have survived (Allah willing) if he had not signed away the trial, which also allowed the anti-Bangladesh forces to get stronger, conspire with Mostaq and bring about his own brutal death.

Habib


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Factification <factia@gmail.com> wrote:
I hope you will not mind if I put some of the blame on Sheikh Mujib ur Rahman, a great but flawed 20th century Asian and Muslim leader like the rest. Sadly, he was very poorly advised by his treacherous expert advisers into signing away a War Crimes Trial of the cruel murders and rapists in the West Pakistani Punjabi Army in 1974.
 
Mujib's family personally didn't suffer the ignominy suffered by the heroic 75 million strong nation. I don't know if it had anything to do with that. In any case he had no right to let go of those Muslim Punjabi goondas and their lackeys.
 
 We are paying a heavy price even today when a dirty ex-West Pakistani can print same lies. It hurts deeply that we cannot get  the dirty cowards to the gallows. What do we do instead? We hunt our own misguided Bengalis seeking to bringing them to the gallows. Some of these misguided Bengalis did work for the Punjabi Muslims, usually using Saudi donations, to spread defaming lies to the Muslim world, in the mistaken belief that Pakistan was Islam and the Quran writ large (God forbid). They even went so far as to accuse anyone showing love of Bangladesh as being kafir. These Bengalis brought us shame. They tried to divide our nation. Incredibly they were happy if Bangladesh failed since it would prove them right that Bangladesh was nothing but a Hindu plot, thus serving the mercenary Punjabi Muslim's game plan. I hope parties like the Jamaat would remove such evil people from their midst for the sake Muslim unity. They are no good. They have done nothing good for Bangladesh for 30 years, except to play into the hand of the enemy. If Bangladesh seems so divided it has to be said that tiny clique has done their best. Playing Muslim against Muslim in our Muslim household. I believe Bangladesh has overcome that now, but only just.
 
Many in the oppressed, abused, disposessed, and manipulated Baloch, Sindhi, Muhajir, Shia, Pashuun nations in ex-West Pakistan want to see some 10,000 cowardly Pakistan Army killers and rapists brought to trial. Muslims of the world must insist on that. The memory will never fade until the Muslim Punjabis themselves correct themselves.
 
Seeing the Pakistani Shireen M Mazari's tissue of lies makes every decent person want proper restitution, especially on the 16th December- a very important day in the Muslim, Asian and world calender.
 
 
Taslima
 
 

 
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Badrul Islam <badrul_islam2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Enclosing herewith a satire that will explain the present condition of Pakistan,.Please read. In the previous mail I forgot to include this so am forwarding again.
The Political  Satire:

Benazir  Bhutto, Queen Elizabeth, and Vladimir Putin
all die and go to Hell.

While there, they spy a red phone and inquire what
the phone is for.

The Devil tells them it is for calling back to Earth.

Putin asks to call Russia and talks for 5 minutes.
When he finished the Devil informs him that the
bill is a million dollars, so Putin writes him a check.

Next Queen Elizabeth calls England and talks for
30 minutes.  When she finished the Devil informs
her that bill is 6 million dollars, so Queen Elizabeth
writes him a check.

Finally Benazir gets her turn and talks for 4 hours.
When she finished the Devil informed her that
there would be no charge for the call and that she
could feel free to call Pakistan anytime.

Hearing this, Putin gets very angry and asks the Devil why Benazir got a free call to Pakistan.

The Devil replied, 
"Since Zardari became President of Pakistan , the country
has gone to Hell and as such it was a local call".

Hope the picture is clear now.
Badrul Islam

 


--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Badrul Islam <badrul_islam2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Badrul Islam <badrul_islam2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw:RE:Same enemies; same blunders?
To: "Isha Khan" <bd_mailer@yahoo.com>, "Taslima" <factia@gmail.com>, "Bangladesh Strategic & Development Forum" <bd_sdf@yahoo.ca>
Cc: "Faruque Alamgir" <faruquealamgir@gmail.com>, "MBI Munshi" <mbimunshi@gmail.com>, "Mo Assghar" <moassghar@yahoo.com>, "Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>, "dina khan" <dina30_khan@yahoo.com>, ayubi_s786@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 10:55 AM




--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw:RE:Same enemies; same blunders?
To: "Dhaka Mails" <dhakamails@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 10:21 AM



--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Factification <factia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ex-West Pakistan's Punjabis will never learn and sadly the Bengali pawns keep them happy. They say they are victims of Indian Hindu enemy that Muslim Bangladesh came into being. They keep printing the same lies, but why do we keep giving them publicity?
 
Do you know that Baloch, 44% of ex-West Pakistan territory, burn the Pakistani flag, and have been doing so for 60 years? The Pashtuns do the same. The Sindhis do the same. What do the Muslim Punjabis do? Accuse them of being enemies of Islam, of being kafir! Accuse them of being Hindu Pashun, Hindu Baloch, Hindu Sindhi, Hindu Mohajir, Hindu Saiaiki.... They accuse them of being allied to Indian Hindu enemy....
 
Now a days Muslim Punjabis accuse anyone who doesn't accept Punjabi brutal colonial style rule of being allies of kafir Shia Iran, of being allies of Israel...... BUT NOT OF BEING AMERICAN ALLIES!!! (The Punjabis consume and control all the American aid)
 
Please stop undermining Bangladesh and Muslims. Pakistan's Punjabis like nothing better that Bangladesh be weak and divided. They are no better than our Indian enemy in that regard, but worse in that they claim to be our Muslim "brothers". May Allah help us from those who play Islam.
 
Taslima
 
 
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com> wrote:


--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Mashooq Salehin <mashooq_salehin@yahoo.com> wrote:

I disagree!

I appreciate your effort to disperse different thoughts and opinions from various point of view. However, this article by SHIREEN M MAZARI actually made me (angry and) disappointed. I thought and expected a piece with more analytic quality. Instead, this article presents a very light and shallow analysis, which I am familiar with, particularly of a Pakistani perspective.
 
I have met and encountered numerous citizens of Pakistan with the same belief in my expatriate life herein USA for last eleven years. This is a very generalized way of looking into the history. Yeah, this is right, that, India in many aspects holds a self-centered point of view and Indian government serves (Unlike two other nations in South Asia) their interest, however, this is NOT the only and main reasons of breaking of Pakistan.
 
Independence of Bangladesh was obvious, due to the disparity, inequality and oppression. Such unequal distribution of resources and remittance was not the fruit of Indian conspiracy, rather these were the outcome of conspiracy of the different West Pakistani Socio-political (formal and informal) feudal systems. Should they recognize the right of common people, the history could be different, but necessarily it does not prove the success of 'so called' Indian Conspiracy. Such thought and ideas represent nothing but intentions of denying the history, which they should be responsible for.

As a Bangladeshi, we hope before dispersing such thought and idea, You Mr. Khan would give a second thought. I recognize the threat from the neighbor, however, that should not confuse me identifying the old Cheater. Thank you. With best wishes -- MS

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Same enemies; same blunders?
To: "Dhaka Mails" <dhakamails@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 6:38 AM

Same enemies; same blunders?
 
SHIREEN M MAZARI

December 16, 1971 and the fall of Dhaka should remind us in Pakistan of the follies of our leaders and the repercussions of unfettered military action against one's own people. It should also be a time to ponder over the role of our neighbour, India, in the dismemberment of our country and the complicity of the major powers, in giving legitimacy to this first break-up of a post-colonial nation since the end of the Second World War. The war in what was then East Pakistan was not the first civil war that had happened, although once India stepped-in it ceased to be a mere civil war, but it was the first war that split up a sovereign member of the UN and this was recognised by the UN. The Biafra case was also there but no one was prepared to grant recognition to this breakaway entity.

Our rulers' many sins of omission and commission must be highlighted for our future generations to ensure we do not make the same mistakes again - especially in terms of unacceptable "collective punishment" which only creates more enemies amongst one's own people, but what is equally important to understand is the role of India - first covertly then overtly. After all, the surrender of Dhaka was to India not to Bangladesh. At the time the US feigned support by trying to "send in" the Sixth Fleet - but in reality that never happened and the UNSC was not allowed to call for a ceasefire till the Soviet Union, the US and its allies were sure of the loss of East Pakistan.
 
If we are unable to understand the Indian mindset and its approach to Pakistan, as well as US duplicity towards Pakistan, we will once again find ourselves in a similarly disastrous situation. Luckily for Pakistan, the Two Nation Theory proved its strength and so an independent Muslim nation of Bangladesh was created instead of East Pakistan being swallowed into Indian West Bengal! Again, Bhutto's masterpiece diplomacy through the OIC allowed Pakistan to recognise this new Muslim state and leave India out in the cold.

However, we should especially recall this traumatic event in our national life so that in times of crisis we know who our enemies are and where we may be committing the same blunders again in terms of military operations and political hardlines. Pakistan's biggest threat today comes from two main sources. First, the total disconnect that exists at all levels of national policy - which is allowing our enemies, be they the non-state actors comprising militants of multiple brands, or India and increasingly the US to do as they please within Pakistan's territory - and a government that is either unable or unwilling to correct this dangerous drift. Second, the unholy Indo-US partnership that is giving aid and succour to Pakistani militants and separatists.















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[ALOCHONA] Opportune time for Delhi-Dhaka ties




YEAR 2009 is not 1971. If India should not take Bangladesh for granted just because it helped the nation attain independence some forty years ago, Dhaka also cannot afford to ignore the facts of history and say today that New Delhi has done precious little for it. We cannot do away with either history or geography in so far as India and Bangladesh are concerned, and, therefore, the best way to move forward is to take pragmatic steps, taking into account the geo-politics and market forces. The question to ask at this juncture is whether the two prime ministers, Manmohan Singh and Sheikh Hasina, can manage to remove the trust deficit between the two South Asian neighbours and take Indo-Bangladesh relations to a real high. This question is more than valid because trust deficit between New Delhi and Dhaka is the main reason for the blow-hot-blow-cold relationship between these two most populous neighbours.

Today, as Bangladesh premier Hasina is set to embark on a visit to India, one cannot but monitor more closely the signals emanating from Dhaka, and, I must say, these signals are encouraging. After all, if economic concerns top Bangladesh's agenda in so far as India is concerned, it is the issue of security that bothers New Delhi the most. During the past six weeks, India has seen things that it has been waiting to see for a decade now. Yes, one is talking about action (although not openly admitted) taken by authorities in Bangladesh to corner Northeast Indian separatist leaders. The manner in which Sasadhar Choudhury, the self-styled foreign secretary of the outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA), and the group's finance secretary Chitrabon Hazarika, have landed in the hands of Indian authorities on the border with Bangladesh in November clearly indicates a helping hand lent by Dhaka. Again, the dramatic manner in which ULFA's topmost leader, Chairman Arabinda Rajkhowa, surfaced in India on December 3, right on the border with Bangladesh, along with the rebel group's deputy commander-in-chief Raju Baruah, also points to close assistance from Dhaka.

For us in India, it is only natural to expect the Awami League regime to clamp down on terror. After all, immediately after she led her party to a landslide victory in December 2008, even before she took over as prime minister, Sheikh Hasina had talked of not allowing any anti-India activity from Bangladeshi soil. She had also spoken of setting up a regional task force to combat terrorism in South Asia. And her government demonstrated that it meant business when it put the 2004 Chittagong arms haul case on fast track, leading to the arrest of two former chiefs of Bangladesh's premier intelligence agency, and the naming of ULFA's elusive military chief Paresh Baruah in the case. It is said that the ten truck loads of arms and ammunition that were offloaded at the jetty in Chittagong was meant for the ULFA in Assam and the size of the consignment was large enough to arm an army brigade. If Dhaka, today, is acting against the ULFA or other Northeast Indian rebels it is an extension of its clampdown on terror in general. That includes both homegrown and global Islamist terror and left-wing extremism.

What puzzles many in India is Dhaka's reluctance to admit its role in helping New Delhi get custody of rebel leaders like Rajkhowa and others who have been on the run for nearly two decades now. It is clear that Dhaka has been cooperating with New Delhi by launching a crackdown on the ULFA and other Northeast Indian insurgents, but why cooperate in secret is the question being asked. I have just returned from a visit to Bangladesh, having taken part in a Bangladesh-India Dialogue initiated by a leading think-tank in Dhaka, the Bangladesh Enterprise Institute (BEI). One of Bangladesh's former Ambassadors had this to tell me: "India has embarrassed us by flashing the news of Arabinda Rajkhowa's arrest. You want our help and when we help you, you disclose things to the media…" This remark perhaps is in sync with Dhaka's strategy of cooperating with India but not openly acknowledging it.

This is only part of the story thoughthere has been a perceptible change in the policy towards the issue of Northeast Indian rebels after the advent of the Awami League in the corridors of power in Dhaka. Contrary to the government's position under the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), the Awami League government does not flatly deny that ULFA leaders are present or were present in Bangladesh. But Sheikh Hasina's party or government is just not ready to go to the people on this perhaps because the party could run the risk of being projected as a 'stooge of India.' Anti-India rhetoric still cuts ice among vast sections of people in Bangladesh's murky political landscape, and, therefore, the Awami League is treading cautiously although the party seems set on improving ties with India.

I heard a very interesting coinage this time used by some members of the Bangladeshi strategic community: they are talking about 'regime compatibility', referring to the equations between the Awami League and the ruling Congress in India. One has to wait and see if the Awami League is willing to admit any 'regime compatibility' with the Congress party and prepare the ground for an improved or lasting relationship between the two nations. This is an opportune time for the Awami League to be open about its equations with India considering the massive mandate the party has got at the last elections. The mandate can only be seen as a verdict against terror or fundamentalism and a verdict in favour of peace and development. The voters' behaviour has lots in common with the behaviour of the electorate in Indiaa vote against communalism, fundamentalism and a vote for peace, security and progress.

In this whole expectation of an improved Indo-Bangladesh relation, New Delhi has a key role to play. India must address Bangladesh's concern over the issue of trade deficit and non-tariff barriers. But issues like trade or tariff as well as the enclave issue can only be resolved if there is a strong political will. In fact I would argue that the issue of enclaves should not be allowed to be confused with the issue of illegal migration. Border guards on both sides must actually resort to firing at people only as a last resort. Both nations must jointly clamp down on terror; there should be an extradition treaty in place and if this turns out to be too complicated, the two nations must gather the courage to use the option of deporting unwanted non-nationals. As Bangladesh's Foreign Minister Dr Dipu Moni said in Dhaka recently, "India and Bangladesh today stand at a moment of opportunity. We are aware of our secular and pluralist heritage and we are confident of resolving our problems." This is the mood that is required to improve ties between the two countries.

I got a sense of just that mood, one of hope while in Dhaka. Over dinner at the Gulshan Club, Bangladesh Foreign Secretary Mohamed Mijarul Quayes regaled some thirty of us by singing not one, but two Tagore songs. Quayes just needed a mild prodding from one of his predecessors Farooq Sobhan to break into song. An eloquent speaker, Quayes I was told is a 1982 batch Foreign Service officer and is just about 49, quite young to hold the coveted job in any country. Bangladesh is young, its democracy is young and there is no reason why the two neighbours cannot work out a win-win relationship.

The author is Director, Centre for Development & Peace Studies, Guwahati, India.
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[ALOCHONA] Fw: RE: Daily Amar Desh threatened





--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
The threat against Mahmudur Rahman tantamount to a serious, mean and ugly threat against the freedom of press. It reminds of the BKSAL days when all the newspapers, except for four compliant ones, were banned and any aspiration of democracy was brutally strangled. During Mujib's reign of terror, between 1972 and 1975, more than 30 thousand patriots, according to many, were killed, BAL's plunder, as well as that of India, went on reckless and unabated and it created the man-made famine of 1974, which claimed, according to reports, 3 to 5 hundred-thousand lives. Mujib's rule was totally controlled by India, and he was helpless about it. He was in office, but not in power, as the power was in India's hands. 
 
The present government was brought in power by India with support from the US and its allies, including their rubber stamp, the UN, only to serve India and its present allies. As the Amar Desh published a report of plunder through bribery, the government immediately took resort to intimidation. But this only exposes the government more.
 
Below is Khaleda's response to the threat:
http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=3&id=149158&hb=3
 

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[mukto-mona] Re: [khabor.com] Fwd: ARTICLE BY THOMAS FRIEDMAN, NYTimes

 
Please read comment section and know how American people and people of this world know the fact
and they do not accept what Friedman has written. Muslims who where sole super power of this world over a thousand year did not steal north America, South America Australia etc which is half of this world in size and wealth and were stolen by European/Anglo Saxons Christians and not Muslims.
Muslims are very small minority in Delhi after around a thousand years rule. And look at Washington, Sydney and other capitals of 4 stolen Continents and there is no existence of original inhabitants of the land.
Friedman will never write these truth on a thousand years of Glorious Caliphate as he is a aliar. Rest is in:
 
-------------- Original message from Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>: --------------

 



We had a civil war in America in the mid-19th century because we had a lot of people who believed bad things — namely that you could enslave people because of the color of their skin. We defeated those ideas and the individuals, leaders and institutions that propagated them..........

Islam needs the same civil war. It has a violent minority that believes bad things: that it is O.K. to not only murder non-Muslims — "infidels," who do not submit to Muslim authority — but to murder Muslims as well who will not accept the most rigid Muslim lifestyle and submit to rule by a Muslim caliphate.

What is really scary is that this violent, jihadist minority seems to enjoy the most "legitimacy" in the Muslim world today.

 

Read the full article :

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[ALOCHONA] East Bengal, East Pakistan, Bangladesh, Assam, War Crimes and Genocides



To All:
 
All crimes (murders, rapes, tortures, etc.) committed by the hindu zamindars to Muslims landless people during British era should also be tried as genocide crimes. Hindu zamindars, politicians and intellectuals including poet Rabindra Nath Tagore himself never wanted separate East Bengal province to be established. Thousands of innocent Muslims were killed and murdered by the British government with the direct collaborations (except Rabindra Nath Tagore) of the Anti-East Bengal perpetrators. Dhaka University and many academic institutions, ports, cities, towns and industries established due to the creation of East Bengal province.
 
In my opinion today's Bangladesh is a result of the creation of the then East Bengal. Muslims of the then East Bengal voted for East Pakistan and later fought for Bangladesh independence. If those people would not have been voted for East Pakistan, East Bengal would remain as a province of India today and East Bengal would never be independent as Bangladesh now. For example, Assamese did neither choose to stay with East Pakistan nor voted for independent country and as a result their successors are still fighting for independence from India today.
 
Millions of souls will never be in peace if war criminals of Bangladesh independence are not tried so as hundreds of thousand souls will not be in peace if those genocide criminals of anti-East Bengal province are not brought to the justice. All late criminals can be brought to the justice posthumously to recognize the crimes committed by them.
 
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[mukto-mona] Re: [khabor.com] Fwd: ARTICLE BY THOMAS FRIEDMAN, NYTimes



Mr Guha

You are also a very obedient slave. Whoever say something against Islam right way you copy and past to circulate every where. Use your conscience. Thanks.

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We had a civil war in America in the mid-19th century because we had a lot of people who believed bad things — namely that you could enslave people because of the color of their skin. We defeated those ideas and the individuals, leaders and institutions that propagated them..........

Islam needs the same civil war. It has a violent minority that believes bad things: that it is O.K. to not only murder non-Muslims — "infidels," who do not submit to Muslim authority — but to murder Muslims as well who will not accept the most rigid Muslim lifestyle and submit to rule by a Muslim caliphate.

What is really scary is that this violent, jihadist minority seems to enjoy the most "legitimacy" in the Muslim world today.

 

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Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: The Rawalpidi Massacre



This sentence of Inki Nasal ko khatam karo is Urdu and not Pashto. besides these were the same roosts trained by these rogue general and they now come home to rule. It is really sade to see that young and old are killed, but remember they killed million plus in Bengal and over a million in Afghanistan.thousand of Pashtoon and Baloch are killed on daily basis. who are these people. belive me they can not decieve the world any more. the only way out for them is to confes their crime and stop doing the same crime once and for all.
 
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Subject: [mukto-mona] Fwd: The Rawalpidi Massacre
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Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 19:01

 
 
 

From: mansoorirfani@ hotmail.com
To: kirfani@aol. com
Sent: 12/6/2009 7:48:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: The Rawalpidi Massacre
 
Dear Kalim,

An eye witness account of the massacre in the Rawalpindi mosque narrates that two
young brave brothers picked and hurled back the grenades thrown by one terrorist at
him.One of the brothers,only 13 years of age, died in the act.
 
The terrorists,while spraying bullets at the congregation, were shouting in Pashto 'In kee nasal khatam karo'.
 
No religious political party has yet condemned the tragedy. Only two government backed mullahs have given fatwas declaring suicide attacks as haram. But would that make any difference?

The country is fighting a deadly war for its survival,yet the nation is still in denial mode.There is some realisation but is restricted to TV discussions/ newspaper columns and some half measures in the form of peace marches. Nothing meaningful or concrete and the rulers are on rampage to outdo one another for the loot.
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[mukto-mona] My Bangladeshi friend denied Indian visa



Dear All,
 
Sometime ago, I told you about a unique programme, 'My Country'; the only Bangladeshi participant and central recitationist, Samir Khan, has been denied entry visa for India!!!!! He has ben told that he is a 'suspected' person. Bangladeshi High Commission in London stood for him, but that did not make any difference.
 
The hall and some local additional artistes have been paid for. A lot of publicity has been done. Now the Kolkata organisers are trying to save the programme by alternative support.
 
Shame on the Indian government.
 
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[ALOCHONA] Bangladesh remembers film-maker Ritwik Ghatak




Bangladesh remembers film-maker Ritwik Ghatak
 
Dec 18 : A three-day Ritwik Ghatak film festival here is showing the works of one of the titans of Indian cinema who was hurt by the 1947 India-Pakistan partition and returned to make a film when Bangladesh became free.
 
Ghatak was born in Dhaka and lived for several years in this city before moving to Kolkata. The festival, which began Thursday, is showing eight full-length films by Ghatak - "Nagarik", "Ajantrik", "Bari Theke Paliye", "Meghe Dhaka Tara", "Komal Gandhar", "Subarnarekha", "Titash Ekti Nadir Naam" and "Jukti Takko Aar Gappo".
The loss of his home in East Bengal had a deep impact on Ghatak and his cinema, participants at a discussion noted.

"Ghatak's films are now celebrated in India and beyond. His stature among Bengali film directors is comparable to that of Satyajit Ray and Mrinal Sen. Nevertheless, he is rarely remembered ceremonially in Bangladesh," The Daily Star said Friday.

Rina Chakrawarty and Aroma Dutta - nieces of Ritwik Ghatak - were present on the occasion, which drew a huge audience.

Aroma said that Ghatak was greatly upset for having to leave Bangladesh (then East Bengal) and he was proud of his roots.

After Bangladesh's independence, Ghatak came to Dhaka with Satyajit Ray in 1972.

Among Ghatak's last films was "Titas Ekti Nadir Naam", which was an Indo-Bangladesh production made with actors from both countries, including Babita of Bangladesh and Sandhya roy from Kolkata.
 


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[mukto-mona] [ZiJT830] CEMB Annual Meeting, including on Swiss Ban on Minarets



Hello

 

Please find below a report from the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain’s second Annual General Meeting along with our statement on the Swiss vote to ban minarets. At the AGM, we adopted our annual report and motions on apostasy, Sharia law, and the right to asylum for apostates and elected 11 members to our Management Committee. This information is now available on our website.

 

The CEMB's defence of people’s right to renounce Islam and religion without fear and intimidation has been instrumental in defending human dignity and challenging political Islam. Of course, we couldn’t have done it without you so thank you. We look forward to your continued support in the upcoming year. If you can, please take a moment to donate to our organisation before the end of the year. Also, if possible don’t forget to join us at our fundraising dinner on January 28, 2010 in London (more details below).

 

Season’s greetings and Happy New Year.

 

Maryam

 

Maryam Namazie

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CEMB second Annual General Meeting held on December 13

December 17, 2009

 

The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain held its second Annual General Meeting on 13 December 2009 in London.

 

The AGM unanimously adopted a statement expressing the organisation’s concern over the Swiss vote to ban minarets. The statement said:

 

‘Far-right proposals to ban minarets are divisive, reactionary and in line with the 'Clash of Civilisations' agenda, which hands over 'Muslims' or those labelled as such to the political Islamic movement and denies the universality of the demand to live a life worthy of the 21st century.

 

‘Believing in Islam or any religion for that matter is not a crime. Neither is it a crime to have minarets in mosques. What are crimes, however, are groups or individuals using religion to threaten people to death, intimidate them, violate their rights, and discriminate against them. Society has to address these crimes and prosecute those who threaten or terrorise people - not ban minarets!

 

‘Political Islam is a political phenomenon that demands a political response. This response must include targeting the discrimination, abuse and criminal acts that take place against children in Islamic schools, against citizens in Sharia councils and tribunals, against apostates and freethinkers, gays and women who are killed in the name of honour...’

 

‘The Enlightenment didn't ban church towers in order to successfully push Christianity into the private sphere. The same must be done with political Islam.’

The AGM unanimously adopted several motions calling for:

 

* ‘the immediate release of all those imprisoned for 'apostasy'; a cancellation of laws wherever they exist that punish the right and freedom to renounce or criticise Islam; and an abolition of the death penalty,’

 

* ‘the unconditional right to asylum for apostates given that apostasy is punishable by death under Sharia law,’ and

 

* ‘an end to the use and implementation of Sharia law in Britain and everywhere and the promotion of universal rights and secularism.’

 

Moreover, the AGM reiterated its support of the One Law for All Campaign and the newly founded International Bureau for Laïcite’s Charter for Secularism.

 

The AGM also adopted the organisation’s constitution and annual and financial reports. Furthermore, it thanked Maryam Namazie for her work as Spokesperson of the organisation.

 

At the meeting, eleven people were elected to the CEMB’s Management Committee: Asad Abbas, Syed Jahiz, Jalil Jalili, Rony Miah, Reza Moradi, Fariborz Pooya, Hassan Radwan, Faranak Rezaie, Kamran Sheikh, Hypatia Theon, and Zia Zaffar. Fariborz Pooya was elected Chair; Asad Abbas, Secretary and Zia Zaffar, Treasurer.

 

To view the CEMB’s annual report, background information on Management Committee Members or our full statement on the Swiss vote to ban minarets, click here: http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/indexPressreleases.html

 

Notes:

 

To support the important work of the Council for the next year, please post a cheque made payable to CEMB to BM Box 2387, London WC1N 3XX or pay via Worldpay: http://ex-muslim.org.uk/indexDonate.html).

 

You can also help our organisation by buying £45 tickets to a three-course fundraising dinner on Thursday, January 28, 2010 at 7:00pm at one of London’s finest gastro-pubs. The dinner’s keynote speaker will be AC Grayling, the renowned philosopher, author, writer, reviewer, and broadcaster.  Once payment has been received, we will send you your ticket(s), along with details of the venue and a menu to choose from.

 

For more information, contact Maryam Namazie at +44 (0) 7719166731 or exmuslimcouncil@gmail.com.



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