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Wednesday, May 23, 2012

[ALOCHONA] Re: Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears



I have heard this 20 million number mentioned by some Indians. I treated it as one of their own urban myths. I always took it to be rehtorical - just like our rhetorical 3 million. I find it unlikely that 20 percent of our average population over the decades has crept into India. I can match you in any praise for India but certainly the notion of India as a benevolent friend for decades is ludricous. Simply because India has, naturally, always put its own interests first. 20 million of our countrymen walked into India and the Indians did nothing? Yes, we have always treated India as an enemy - but they have done the same. If India needed talent for its own Tourist Board they will find the better talent in Bangaldesh than in any other regional country.

These 20 millions must surely have come up for discussion at government level. I have never come across any evidence of such discussions. I woudl be grateful if you could point me in the direction of reasonable evidence. There are plenty of Indians who consider us to be monkeys living in the Easter Marshlands, infesting and infecting India from time to time. I have no problem with that really - its their country, their urban myth and our leaders sure do act like monkeys. All of them.

What happened in Shatkira and Nandigram recently? Can you send me the news link? Whoever did it should be brought to justice swiftly. Were they? From what I have seen the thugs of Jamaat and BNP and AL are equally likely to persecute minorities - everybody likes easy money. The fact that Jamaat could persecutes on 'principle' makes no difference.

During this government a war hero of Hndu faith complained that AL thugs were robbing and persecuting minorities.

BNP: we kill 5 and steal 5 crore but AL kills 10 and steals 10 crore .

AL: we kill 5 and steal 5 crore but BNP kills 10 and steals 10 crore.

And the bloody intellectuals of both parties see no problem! 

 


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:
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> My dear friend, there are more than 20mil Bangladeshis working in different parts of India if you are not already aware of that fact.
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> India has been an enemy country since 1940s because they do not pray towards the Westward. Now that they have made some progress, they need to do us favor by accepting us as dear friends? Why not try that with China and Myanmar? 
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> "HOWEVER as a civilized country, we do not hang people for stealing a loaf of bread."
> It is not merely stealing  a loaf of bread. It is basically a future demographic problem. There was a partition in 1947 and Indians do not want anymore of that nonsense happening to them again.
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> "India has the right to punish anyone if they violate their laws, I have no problem with it."
> Do you think that would deter anybody trespassing Indian border? The same person will go back to do the same the next day!
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> "When I deal with them they kiss my ass very well because my dealings made
> them money or had potential to make them money (Talking about business
> deals and social interactions)."
> I bet the same is true from your part too. I am sure you are not making some charitable contributions to those Indian people/businessmen? Are you? So, what is your point?
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> "It is the attitude my friend. BTW, India treats their own lower caste
> Hindus and other ethnic minorities pretty badly. Half of the country is
> trying to fight with the central government (Assam, Nagaland, Maoist
> etc) right now."
>
> There you go again! You do not even know how bad you smell with your Arab and Pakistani brothers as a little poor miskin. Do you know how minorities and indigenous people are treated in Bangladesh. Talk to  some Hindus, Budhists, Christians and Ahmedias. Do not try to shed crocodile tears for those people. Maybe, you should check recent incidents in Shatkira and Nandigram regarding how Jamatis attacked minorities on a bogus issue . Enemy property law is still valid in Bangladesh and any Muslim can grab a minority with no sweat. Brother, take a dip in Padma river and start using heavy doses of men' perfume! 
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> "So this sorry attitude goes deep into typical Indian mentality, which is a real moral concern of not only Bangladeshis but also fair minded
> Indians."
> Vow, what a patronizing tone as if Indians were born yesterday. Brother, a pot should not call a kettle black! I hate hypocrites.
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> Good day!
> -SD
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>  
> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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>
> ________________________________
> From: qar qrahman@...
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears
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> Is India a visa free country? Should not it have the right to protect its border from intruders and smugglers?
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> >>>>>>>> There are around 50,000 Indians working in various industries in Bangladesh. It never bothered me. If there is a need for their skill set, it only benefits us.
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> India is not Sweden or California. It is slightly better economic situation than BD. Historically people moved around the sub-continent and Indians do move around BD, when they need do. We the people are not as uptight as Indians.
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> Border with India and Bangladesh is not like Kashmir border. Kashmir is a semi-active war zone and our common border is mostly peaceful with some "Economic" intruders from BOTH sides. India has the right to punish anyone if they violate their laws, I have no problem with it.
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> HOWEVER as a civilized country, we do not hang people for stealing a loaf of bread. That would be a work of a pervert. Currently Indian administration is working like a bigoted pervert with poor Bangladeshis.
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> When I deal with them they kiss my ass very well because my dealings made them money or had potential to make them money (Talking about business deals and social interactions).
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> However this is not about personal experiences and I have positive experiences with Indians and Pakistanis in most parts.
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> This is a question of morality of a mature democracy. Today India is trying to assert as a world power and a regional leader. But the way it deals with poor Bangladeshis who only commit petty crimes says a lot about how we are viewed by majority of Indians. Just analyze how west Bengal CM Mamata plays with the fate of our lifeline (Talking about water) and still gets support from her people.
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> It is the attitude my friend. BTW, India treats their own lower caste Hindus and other ethnic minorities pretty badly. Half of the country is trying to fight with the central government (Assam, Nagaland, Maoist etc) right now.
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> So this sorry attitude goes deep into typical Indian mentality, which is a real moral concern of not only Bangladeshis but also fair minded Indians.
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> So far we have received assurances from the highest political offices only to watch how lower level "Low lives" officers feels free to ignore such promises made by their highest leaders. At the end of the say, India itself established itself as an "Untrustworthy partner" to most people in this country. After last fair and open election, we have a India-friendly political leadership and had high hopes to solve many of our issues. Our leaders bent over backwards to address most of Indian concerns only to be returned empty handed!!
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> This is the reality of the day!!
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> Shalom!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ezajur Ezajur@...
> To: alochona alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 8:36 pm
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears
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> The very definiition of a bind AL supporter is someone who is not outraged when armed soldiers of another country shoot dead an unarmed citizen of Bangladesh.
> And it doesn't matter if the victim is a 16 year old child or a 60 year old cattle trader or shot at point black or shot in the back or left to die or left hanging on barbed wire.
> And it doesn't matter if the AL government fails to protect its citizens at the border or to be taken seriously in Delhi.
> It only matters when AL leaders are killed. India doesn't have to give a damn because she has a lot of behayas speaking up for her in Dhaka.
> Ignorant, shameless, lying hypocrites. 
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@ wrote:
> >
> > Is India a visa free country? Should not it have the right to protect its border from intruders and smugglers? Or. we should think India as our motherland and we should be able to trespass its border whenever we wish. Can we do that to Burma or other foreign countries? Time to wake up brother. This is not pre 1947. We wanted to separate and have our own PAK paradise. But we failed! Isn't it?
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> > How many people did we kill ourselves since 1947 to make our country purer than pure? Now, our own people would like venture around than staying home?
> > -SD
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> >  
> > "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Isha Khan bdmailer@
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:29 AM
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears
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> > BSF ears wide shut
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> > Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears
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> > http://sonarbangladesh.com/blog/post/108151
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> > Indian Border Security Force has killed two Bangladeshis and injured 10 others on average per month this year despite repeated pledges by their home minister not to open fire along the border.âUnder no circumstances would the Indian border security force fire upon anyone trying to cross into India from Bangladesh,â Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram said on July 30 last year during his visit to Dhaka.
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> > "The message has gone down to the last jawan," he added.But after 25 days of his directive, BSF opened fire in Kolaroa upazila of Satkhira on August 25 injuring a Bangladeshi.
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> > http://amardeshonline.com/pages/details/2012/05/06/143740
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> > The brutal killings along the border had declined only for a few months after Chidambaram's visit to Dhaka as the BSF shot dead seven Bangladeshis between August and December last year, according to data of Odhikar, a rights body.
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> > The BSF has killed 10 Bangladeshis and injured 43 others in the last four months.
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> > The BSF chief, though, in an interview with BBC on January 7 said it is not possible for them to stop firing along the border. His statement showed the BSF's lack of willingness in lowering the number of border killings to zero.
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> > Home Minister Shahara Khatun had toured India in February. During her trip, her counterpart P Chidambaram renewed his pledge. "We have reiterated that we don't intend to continue firing and killing along the border.â
> > âWe have identified 23 vulnerable border outposts. The two countries will strengthen the presence of the border guards at those points and undertake joint consultations," he added.
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> > The BSF is using lethal weapons instead of rubber bullets at many of the 23 vulnerable points, said sources at Border Guard Bangladesh (BGB).âThe BSF is using rubber bullets only at some points and we cannot disclose those due to strategic reasons,â Maj Gen Anwar Hossain, director general of BGB, told The Daily Star.If the Indian border guards introduce rubber bullets at all the vulnerable areas, the killing of Bangladeshis will decline to a great extent, he said.
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> > Bangladeshi cattle traders and agricultural workers are the major victims to the BSF shooting as they work at night in the fields near the border, he pointed out.âWe have initiated programmes to sensitise the vulnerable groups on the issue with the help of local elderly people, public representatives and Imams of mosques,â said Anwar.âWe have advised the local cattle traders not to cross into India for fetching cattle risking their lives. Rather they should ask the Indian traders to send those to Bangladesh,â he maintained.
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> > The agricultural workers have been advised to inform the BGB personnel before going to work in bordering fields at night. The BGB members will inform the BSF about this in advance to ensure they do not open fire on the workers taking them for smugglers.These intensive awareness programmes have been very effective in reducing border killings by the BSF, said the BGB chief.
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> > The BSF in March proposed imposing curfews along the border at night, but the BGB disagreed. âImposing curfews is only a temporary solution. It will not solve the problem at all, rather will undermine people's constitutional right to movement," he added.
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> > Contacted, State Minister for Home Shamsul Hoque Tuku said, âKilling along the border is an old issue and I don't claim that such homicides have stopped.ââIf we look at the statistics of border killings since our independence, we will notice a declining trend,â he added.He expressed satisfaction saying that the country for the first time has been able to convince India that killing on the border is inhuman.
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> > According to statistics of Odhikar, the border killings have declined over the last few years.The BSF has killed 31 Bangladeshis last year, 74 in 2010 and 96 in 2009.
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> > http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=232928
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[ALOCHONA] Re: This is my Freedom !!!

I don't know Shahadat but you seem also to be describing a lot of AL intellectuals who love American values but throw those values out of the window in their considerations of Bangladesh. What do you think of those AL intellectuals? Bunch of cowardly hypocrites aren't they?




--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:
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> "semi-literate Shahadat Hussaini" is basically a cut and paste man.  He sees nothing but Muslims and infidels. But he loves American milk and honey! When anybody forces him to reply, he call his BNP brother Nakibuddin (Boston) to ban that person from the forum. If you challenge him further, he would write you a personal letter gloating about his paper degrees. The man is a clown and probably an epitome our current Bangladeshi illiteracy problem . Some times, he would call himself as a Mukti-Jhoddha but I doubt that very much because his constant love Pakistani anthem. If anybody had witnessed this man fighting or saluting Pakistani soldiers , that would be really a great revelation for the whole community! I really feel sorry for this man. He is totally lost in this country of free and braves.
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> -SD
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> One of his shameful false posts from last year. It is totally hilarious! He did not have even the courtesy to retract the post.
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> http://groups.google.com/group/bangladeshiamericans/browse_thread/thread/8a38f3605e99b2ac/c355595cb6dd2b46?hl=en&q=#c355595cb6dd2b46
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> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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> ________________________________
> From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@...>
> To: Alochona Alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: This is my Freedom !!!
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>        The Kuwaiti closet-trapped claptrapper suffering from acute claustrophobia, whose enlightened IQ is limited to heckling imagined "blind supporters" of BD political parties, has ventured into expressing literary viewpoints. He is full of critical praise for this semi-literate Shahadat Hussaini (about whose English I refrain from commenting) whose Bangla spelling and grammar would make a 4th grader village girl of Noakhali or Sylhet LOL. Here is Kuwaiti closet-man advising Shah Dildar:
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> << Why are you looking for poetic quality first in a
> poem by a retired Lt Colonel? Should he have written something lilting
> and tilting like all the poems and songs that flood our country - poems
> and songs of irrelevant wishy washy crap that have nothing to do with
> anything?>>
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>      Perhaps it is pertinent to share what I wrote recently when  I was in the mood for celebrating Shakespeare's birthday with million of readers at Huffington Post:
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>   "How to enjoy reading Shakespeare" /how-to-enjoy-reading-shak_b_1445153_149944562.html
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> Commented Apr 23, 2012 at 17:36:41 in Culture
> “Happy Birthday Will
> (his friends wouldn't call him Bill -- check out Ben Jonson's smirky
> poem on him!)!
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> Smigelski does a fair job of breaking down the 'wall of resistance' to
> Shakespeare's words. But then, by 'poetic' he presents another barrier
> to be surmounted by these resisters. What needs to be opened up are
> emotional meanings behind the context of the whole pieces of language and their cadence,
> and how cleverly and beautifully those meanings are served by the Bard's
> particular choice of words. This requires an awareness of rhetoric
> which is not hard to grasp once we realize that we use those
> speech-devices all the time, knowingly or unknowingly.
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> "Never was seen so black a day as this," has an urgency, an expression of agony and loss that the same combination of words with the syntax
> straightened out would not. The utility of poetry, therefore, is its
> ability to cut a long story short, but extend the emotion and the drama.
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> Of course Shakespeare is modern -- but far more than that. He is always one step
> ahead of us in prefiguring what we might blurt out when challenged
> emotionally under difficult circumstances.
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> In his capacity to capture human emotion in its raw immediacy
> Shakespeare is an unparalleled language artist of all times and in any
> language. That he made English the vehicle of his language-art has
> enriched this language immeasurably and made other languages of the
> world envious. (Just ask the French!)”
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>             Farida Majid
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> ________________________________
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> From: shahdeeldar@...
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 05:22:20 -0700
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: This is my Freedom !!!
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> I got no problem with the content. The problem is that he should not call himself a poet or a freelance poet. We know poets and he is not!
> Now, what word you do not understand?
> -SD
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> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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> ________________________________
> From: ezajur <Ezajur@...>
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:11 AM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: This is my Freedom !!!
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> Why are you looking for poetic quality first in a poem by a retired Lt Colonel? Should he have written something lilting and tilting like all the poems and songs that flood our country - poems and songs of irrelevant wishy washy crap that have nothing to do with anything?
> It is far more important what he is trying to say. And what he is trying to say is not easy to say. But one can follow what he is trying to say. You can too. Which is why you criticise his style and not his content.
> There are enough soppy poems and songs for you to enjoy all about bloody nil akaash, thumi kuthai, thumake kujthesi, thumake pachina - and similar bulls### themes that define the emasculated Bangladeshi male.
> Bravo to the Colonel's sentiments about freedom in Bangladesh.
> Dull bayonets used bluntly are needed in our language.
> We have enough lily livered, namby pamby, wussy, effeminate bulls&&& for your pleasure. Just watch the next cultural program.
> Ezajur Rahman
> Kuwait 
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@> wrote:
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> > Hardly, I see any poetic quality in this prose. Col Shaheb should try to sell something else than poetry. It is one of toughest domains of any literature!
> > It feels like a dull bayonet has been used to write the lines. Next poem Sir!
> > -SD
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> > "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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> > ________________________________
> > From: Shahadat Hussaini shahadathussaini@
> > To: bangladeshi googlesgroups bangladeshiamericans@googlegroups.com; khabor khabor@yahoogroups.com; alochona alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 5:29 PM
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] This is my Freedom !!!
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> > Poem: This is my Freedom !!! - Lt Col (Retd) Md Shahadat Hossain, psc    
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>   This is my freedom!!!
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> > I cannot talk in favor of Hartal (Strike), because people would color me as sympathizer of opposition party.
> > I cannot talk against the Hartal (Strike), because people might treat me as likeminded of government party.
> > This is my freedom!!!
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> > I cannot carry little money alone, because miscreants might abduct or kill me only for that little money.
> > I cannot walk or drive safely on any road, because any careless driver without license might hit or kill me on the spot.
> > I cannot let my daughter go for education singly, because she might be subject to eve teasing.
> > This is my freedom!!!
> >  
> > I cannot buy minimum food staff with my limited salary due to continuous market price hike.
> > I cannot buy medicine for my sick relatives or children from my earning as I also got to pay bribe for the education of
> my child.
> > This is my freedom!!!
> >  
> > I cannot talk about truth because my bosses and so called politicians would treat me threatened.
> > I cannot talk about honesty because of too many dishonest people around and the dishonest environment.
> > This is my freedom!!!
> >  
> > I cannot open my books or news papers due to unclear history of the past and present happenings,
> > I cannot open my TV or Radio because of only â€Å"Talk Shows� even by not competent to speak on the topic.
> > This is my freedom!!!
> >  
> > However, I have heroic bloods of sacrifice, though backdated of 1971, and a map named Bangladesh,
> > However, I have a flag, red and green, which I host on important dates, named as Bangladeshi flag,
> > However, I have a positive dream named â€Å"survival for the fittest and prosperous Bangladesh�, preserved within me.
> > And this
> is my only freedom of dream!!!
> >  
> > (The poet Lieutenant Colonel, retired, Md Shahadat Hossain, psc is a freelance poet and writer related to the promotion of Bangladesh who can be reached at shahadatb@ )
> >
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[ALOCHONA] Re: Dr. Yunus - Not the Founder of Grameen Bank

We do know that Nobel Peace Prizes can be political - but with the sincerest of appraisals and intentions. I don't know of a controversial award. Do you? You seem to think that the award, for the first time ever, was given as a conspiracy against a country. You complain because it gets in the way of the thousand year reich of Chatra League.

Hypocrite.

The MPs of your party collect enough money from manpower dalals. Both AL MPs and manpower dalals exploit our poor and send them to Kuwait. Grow up and stop acting as if you don't know anything. How disgusting to complain about Kuwait but not about the haramis who send them there just because they belong to your party.

Hypocrite.

Barack Obama was himself surprised by the award. He accepted it with a grace and humility your Nethri cannot comprehend. He accepted it in the spirit of hope - the same spirit in which the award was given. I wonder if you complained loudly at the time - or you complain only now because you are desperate to stick up for Hasina's revenge on Dr Yunus. How Farida campaigned for Obama! Did she campaign for Hasina? Yes or no? Complicated question for a Bongu intellectual :) Farid ended up in the US and can criticise Obam but can't bring herself to criticise Hasina! Maybe Hasina is more wonderful than Obama?!

Hypocrite.

You don't seem to have a problem with your Nethri picking up awards from anywhere where there is an AL intellectual entrenched in the faculty.

Hypocrite.

The US is full of Deshi intellectuals who have found a safe haven for their 'intellectual' activities. They become Americans overnight and talk as if their grandfathers died in the Amercian Civil War. They bask in the light of the Democratic Party and exploit ignorance about what really happens in Bangladesh. They talk about values in America and then throw those same values out of the window when they talk about Bangladesh. Too selfish to get really involved, they massage their own egos with occassional romanticism about 1971, Tagore evenings and a stubborn refusal to condemn any act of murder or extortion committed by the Awami League.

Hypocrites.

Farida is very sensitive to the technical definition of the word Founder. I am writing a response to Zahir Uddin Ahmed's partisan claptrap. It seems she believes in the letter of the law. Too bad she doesn't give a crap when her own cadres kill people.

Hypocrite?

I suggest Sheikh Mujib is the Founding Prime Minister of Bangladesh and not the Father....



--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:
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> Cave-dwellers of Kuwait, ones who hang upside down from the cave roof, do not have the capacity to know that Nobel Peace Prizes are not free of political baggage. 'Blind as a bat' as the saying goes! The political baggage of Global Capitalism behind Yunus's Nobel is crystal clear. But trying to explain that to a blind bat is futile.
> Why was President Barack Obama given the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009? Even those of us who worked night and day in 2008 to have him elected cringed at the political pandering of a person who had done absolutely nothing until then towards world Peace.
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> I think the following fact is right, and if not, verifiable.
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> The
> Government of Bangladesh has constituted this specialized bank in 1990
> in purview with the existing rules of the land and under the provisions
> and supervision of Bangladesh Bank. As such, Dr. Yunus may, by large, be
> considered as the founder managing director of the said bank, not the
> founder. Any way, he is all in all in the Grameen Bank and his hilarious
> effort in marketing this bank is enormous.
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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 06:04:52 -0700
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Dr. Yunus - Not the Founder of Grameen Bank
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> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
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> a heresy that for sometime, Khaled Shams, a renowned banker was deemed to the next role leader. But in one fine morning Mr. Shams was removed from this bank and also it was not clear whether he was engaged in any of Grameen's projects. Anyway, the next name we came across was some Dipal Borua but that too been a faded name for a long while. No doubt, Dr. Yunus's contribution to the Grameen Bank is fathomless. But it is also an undeniable fact that an institution requires a generation of successive leadership for its sustenance. But we did not spot Mr. Yunus being attentive to this at all. Why? This may be better known to him but my understanding along with many others slates this not as a failure on Dr. Yunus's part to realize it rather the very wish of life long governance over the institution of even the intention of doing whatever he feels like with this specialized bank.
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[mukto-mona] Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: This is my Freedom !!!



"semi-literate Shahadat Hussaini" is basically a cut and paste man.  He sees nothing but Muslims and infidels. But he loves American milk and honey! When anybody forces him to reply, he call his BNP brother Nakibuddin (Boston) to ban that person from the forum. If you challenge him further, he would write you a personal letter gloating about his paper degrees. The man is a clown and probably an epitome our current Bangladeshi illiteracy problem . Some times, he would call himself as a Mukti-Jhoddha but I doubt that very much because his constant love Pakistani anthem. If anybody had witnessed this man fighting or saluting Pakistani soldiers , that would be really a great revelation for the whole community! I really feel sorry for this man. He is totally lost in this country of free and braves.
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One of his shameful false posts from last year. It is totally hilarious! He did not have even the courtesy to retract the post.
http://groups.google.com/group/bangladeshiamericans/browse_thread/thread/8a38f3605e99b2ac/c355595cb6dd2b46?hl=en&q=#c355595cb6dd2b46
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: Alochona Alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: This is my Freedom !!!

 
       The Kuwaiti closet-trapped claptrapper suffering from acute claustrophobia, whose enlightened IQ is limited to heckling imagined "blind supporters" of BD political parties, has ventured into expressing literary viewpoints. He is full of critical praise for this semi-literate Shahadat Hussaini (about whose English I refrain from commenting) whose Bangla spelling and grammar would make a 4th grader village girl of Noakhali or Sylhet LOL. Here is Kuwaiti closet-man advising Shah Dildar:

<< Why are you looking for poetic quality first in a poem by a retired Lt Colonel? Should he have written something lilting and tilting like all the poems and songs that flood our country - poems and songs of irrelevant wishy washy crap that have nothing to do with anything?>>

     Perhaps it is pertinent to share what I wrote recently when  I was in the mood for celebrating Shakespeare's birthday with million of readers at Huffington Post:

  "How to enjoy reading Shakespeare" /how-to-enjoy-reading-shak_b_1445153_149944562.html

Commented Apr 23, 2012 at 17:36:41 in Culture

"Happy Birthday Will (his friends wouldn't call him Bill -- check out Ben Jonson's smirky poem on him!)!

Smigelski does a fair job of breaking down the 'wall of resistance' to Shakespeare's words. But then, by 'poetic' he presents another barrier to be surmounted by these resisters. What needs to be opened up are emotional meanings behind the context of the whole pieces of language and their cadence, and how cleverly and beautifully those meanings are served by the Bard's particular choice of words. This requires an awareness of rhetoric which is not hard to grasp once we realize that we use those speech-devices all the time, knowingly or unknowingly.

"Never was seen so black a day as this," has an urgency, an expression of agony and loss that the same combination of words with the syntax straightened out would not. The utility of poetry, therefore, is its ability to cut a long story short, but extend the emotion and the drama.

Of course Shakespeare is modern -- but far more than that. He is always one step ahead of us in prefiguring what we might blurt out when challenged emotionally under difficult circumstances.

In his capacity to capture human emotion in its raw immediacy Shakespeare is an unparalleled language artist of all times and in any language. That he made English the vehicle of his language-art has enriched this language immeasurably and made other languages of the world envious. (Just ask the French!)"

            Farida Majid

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 05:22:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: This is my Freedom !!!

 

I got no problem with the content. The problem is that he should not call himself a poet or a freelance poet. We know poets and he is not!
Now, what word you do not understand?
-SD
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:11 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: This is my Freedom !!!

 
Why are you looking for poetic quality first in a poem by a retired Lt Colonel? Should he have written something lilting and tilting like all the poems and songs that flood our country - poems and songs of irrelevant wishy washy crap that have nothing to do with anything?
It is far more important what he is trying to say. And what he is trying to say is not easy to say. But one can follow what he is trying to say. You can too. Which is why you criticise his style and not his content.
There are enough soppy poems and songs for you to enjoy all about bloody nil akaash, thumi kuthai, thumake kujthesi, thumake pachina - and similar bulls### themes that define the emasculated Bangladeshi male.
Bravo to the Colonel's sentiments about freedom in Bangladesh.
Dull bayonets used bluntly are needed in our language.
We have enough lily livered, namby pamby, wussy, effeminate bulls&&& for your pleasure. Just watch the next cultural program.
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> To: bangladeshi googlesgroups bangladeshiamericans@googlegroups.com; khabor khabor@yahoogroups.com; alochona alochona@yahoogroups.com
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> I cannot talk against the Hartal (Strike), because people might treat me as likeminded of government party.
> This is my freedom!!!
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> I cannot walk or drive safely on any road, because any careless driver without license might hit or kill me on the spot.
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> I cannot talk about honesty because of too many dishonest people around and the dishonest environment.
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> I cannot open my books or news papers due to unclear history of the past and present happenings,
> I cannot open my TV or Radio because of only “Talk Shows� even by not competent to speak on the topic.
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> However, I have heroic bloods of sacrifice, though backdated of 1971, and a map named Bangladesh,
> However, I have a flag, red and green, which I host on important dates, named as Bangladeshi flag,
> However, I have a positive dream named “survival for the fittest and prosperous Bangladesh�, preserved within me.
> And this is my only freedom of dream!!!
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> (The poet Lieutenant Colonel, retired, Md Shahadat Hossain, psc is a freelance poet and writer related to the promotion of Bangladesh who can be reached at shahadatb@... )
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[mukto-mona] Re: [KHABOR] Re: [ALOCHONA] Same agenda ?....



Off course and your madadm is on the boat.

From: Dr Gholam Mostofa <cmdwasa@yahoo.com>
To: "khabor@yahoogroups.com" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "alochona@yahoogroups.com" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>; "khabor@yahoogroups.com" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>; Diagnose Group <Diagnose@yahoogroups.com>; "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
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The king of thieves Tareq & Koko and your Madam are illiterate.
GM

Sent from my iPhone
Dr. Gholam Mostofa
Managing Director
ACE Consultants Ltd
H-374, Lane-6
Baridhara DOHS, Dhaka-1206
Bangladesh

On May 23, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Shumon Ahmed <shumonoh@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
As long as our nation is run by illiterate anti-Bangladesh elements and their blind bigot supporters, we
will face it. It tells the whole story when the PM of a country goes out and spread stupid lies about the country she wants to rule.
It is painful to see a PM trying to strip the noble prize from a citizen.
 
 
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: "alochona@yahoogroups.com" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:01 AM
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Wake up man and know your place! You wanna play with the big boys? Make your house stronger and throw your begging bowl! Did you see Zardari getting snubbed in the recent NATO meeting? Do not ask for things that you are not eligible. These are all unwritten laws of the world. It is painful but that is how world revolves. Sorry for harsh words.
-SD
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Isha Khan <bdmailer@gmail.com>
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 9:50 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Same agenda ?....

 
Same agenda ?....



http://sonarbangladesh.com/blog/post/106873

The most interesting thing here is the strategic coordination that takes place between Washington and New Delhi in relation to Bangladesh.

One curious feature of the US-Bangladesh exchanges is that almost all US officials are making it a point to come to Dhaka via New Delhi or to make their return journey to Washington via New Delhi. Evidently, it is not a mere matter of logistics.

The pattern shows an appreciable degree of strategic coordination taking place between Washington and New Delhi in relation to Bangladesh
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M K Bhadrakumar, The great game comes to Bangladesh,
 http://indrus.in/articles/2012/05/03/the_great_game_comes_to_bangladesh_15667.html





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[mukto-mona] RE: MuslimsTogether :: al Azhar confirms HIJAB is not a part of the religion---This is sheer propaganda. A statement of a Ph D thesis can not change the ruling of the scholars of all times.



 

This is sheer propaganda. Please give us the whole Ph D thesis for checking. A statement of a Ph D thesis can not change the ruling of the scholars of all times.

Who are these people of WMC? What is their interest?

 

Shah Abdul Hannan


From: WorldMuslimCongress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WorldMuslimCongress@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ISLAM
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:44 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: MuslimsTogether :: al Azhar confirms HIJAB is not a part of the religion

 

 

here is my humble interpretation:

Finally al Azhar clarifies its position and announces that hijab has nothing to do with religion

al Azhar's endorsed Sheikh Mustafa Mohamed Rashid's PhD thesis on Sharia and Law for which he obtained a grade of excellent, where he stated that hijab is not an Islamic requirement (fard), and that the interpretation (tafseer) of the verses (ayat) and the circumstances during which they appeared has led to the widespread misunderstanding about the so-called 'Islamic Hijab' denoting covering the head, of which there is absolutely no mention in the Quran.

Yet some have misconstrued the intent and correct interpretation of the Sharia, refusing the logic and sequence of its appearance, abandoning the proper methods of citing and interpreting of the verses (ayat), their historical background and reason for them.  They have done so either intentionally, or with good intention but with lack of the essential analytical savvy.

This hijab issue imposed itself on the Islamic and non-Islamic psyche, and thus becoming the defining factor, meaning, and nature of the Islamic faith to non-Muslims, which led some non-Islamic nations to consider it a divisive political statement.  In consequence to the resulting friction, some female students have been expelled from universities and jobs, only due to their adherence to this false belief, thereby attaching to Islam a non existent requirement.

So inconsistent and misguided have the proofs of the supporters of the hijab theory been, that it would sometimes take the form of khimar or jalabeeb, which distanced them from what they meant by head cover, which is indicative of their restrictive set of mind.

'Hijab' was mentioned in verse (ayah) 53 of al AHzab, where it signifies 'wall' or 'what prevents view' and it was in regards to pure "ummuhat al mo'mineen" where a "hajib" is to be placed between them and any men.

As for verse (ayah) 31 of Al Khimar - Sourrat al Noor, that is also a redundant claim, as the intent here is the cover of the breast and neck - the background here is the covering of the breast whose exposure is un-Islamic, and not what is now understood by hijab for the head.

And in regards to the historical background of verse (ayah) 59 of Sourrat al AHzab was to distinguish between the pure and the promiscuous whores and slaves.

Finally, in the mis-use of the Hadith about Asma'a, daughter of Abu Bakr, when she walked in on the prophet (pbuh)s gathering, and he ordered her to not expose her face or palms - this Hadith is not a binding Hadith, as it is one of al AHaad and not one of the consistent, or the connected confirmed.


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الازهر يؤكد : الحجاب ليس من الدين

الخميس 17 مايو 2012   12:20:02 م

أخيرا حسم الازهر موقفه ..
وأعلن صراحة ان الحجاب ليس من الدين فى شىء ..

موافقة الازهر على هذا الرأى جاءت فى منحه درجة الدكتورة للشيخ مصطفى محمد راشد في الشريعة والقانون بتقدير عام امتياز،فى رسالة قال الشيخ مصطفى فيها ان الحجاب ليس فريضة اسلامية..

وان تفسير الايات بمعزل عن ظروفها التاريخية، واسباب نزولها قد ادى إلى فهم مغلوط شاع وانتشر بشكل كبير حول ما يسمى بـ«الحجاب الاسلامي!»، والمراد به غطاء الرأس الذي لم يذكر لفظه في القرآن الكريم على الاطلاق

الا ان البعض قد اختزل مقاصد الشريعة الاسلامية وصحيح التفسير ورفض إعمال العقل في نقله وتفسيره، وأورد النصوص في غير موضعها وفسرها على هواه، مبتعدا عن المنهج الصحيح في التفسير والاستدلال الذي يفسر الآيات وفقا لظروفها التاريخية وتبعا لأسباب نزولها، إما لرغبتهم وقصدهم ان يكون التفسير هكذا، واما لحسن نيتهم لأن قدراتهم التحليلية تتوقف إمكانات فهمها عند هذا الحد لعوار عقلي أو آفة نفسية.


باتت مسألة «الحجاب!» تفرض نفسها على العقل الاسلامي وغير الاسلامي، وامست مقياسا وتحديدا لمقصد ومعنى وطبيعة الدين الاسلامي في نظر غير المسلمين مما حدا ببعض الدول غير الاسلامية الى اعتبار «الحجاب!» شعارا سياسيا يؤدي إلى التفرقة بين المواطنين والتمييز بينهم، وقد حدثت مصادمات، وفصل من الجامعات والوظائف بسبب تمسك المسلمة بفهم خاطئ لما يسمى «الحجاب!»، وتحميل للاسلام بما لم يأت به من دعوى انه فريضة اسلامية.

جاءت ادلة من يرون فرضية «الحجاب!» متخبطة وغير مرتبطة، مرة بمعنى الحجاب، وتارة بمعنى الخمار، واخرى بمعنى الجلابيب، وهو ما يوضح ابتعادهم عن المعنى الصحيح الذي يقصدونه وهو غطاء الرأس، وانهم يريدون انزال الحكم بأي شكل لهوى عندهم، وقد ورد ذكر «الحجاب!» في الآية رقم (53) من سورة الاحزاب، والمقصود به الحائط أو الساتر، وهو متعلق بأمهات المؤمنين الطاهرات المطهرات ووجوب وضع ساتر بينهن وبين الرجال من صحابة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، اما الاستدلال بآية الخمار التي وردت في سورة النور في الآية رقم (31) فهو أيضا استدلال باطل لأن المقصود بها وجوب ستر النحر وهو اعلى الصدر وستر العنق ايضا، وعلة نزول تلك الآية الكريمة، تصحيح وتعديل وضع خاطئ كان سائدا وقائما وقت نزولها وهو كشف صدر المرأة وهي صورة يرفضها الاسلام ومن ثم قصدت الاية تغطية الصدر وليس غطاء الرأس كما يسميه الناس الآن «الحجاب!».

اما الاستدلال بآية الجلابيب التي وردت في سورة الاحزاب في الآية رقم (59)، فإن سبب نزول الآية ان عادة النساء وقت التنزيل كانت كشف وجوههن مثل الإماء أو الجواري، فكان بعض الفجار يسترقون النظر إلى النساء فنزلت تلك الآية لتضع فارقا وتمييزا بين الحرائر والإماء الجواري حتى لا تتأذى الحرة المؤمنة العفيفة.

واخيرا استدلال البعض بحديث أسماء بنت ابي بكر رضي الله عنهما عندما دخلت على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فأمرها بأن لا تكشف الا عن وجهها وكفيها، كدليل على فرضية «الحجاب!» أي غطاء الرأس، فهو استدلال لا يعتد به لأن هذا الحديث من احاديث الآحاد، وليس من الاحاديث المتواترة أو المتصلة السند، لكنه حديث آحاد لم يتصل سنده بالعدول الضابط

 



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