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Tuesday, March 8, 2016

[mukto-mona] Re: [LA-Discussion] Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem



'তারানা-ই-পাকিস্তান' ছিলো পাকিস্তানের প্রথম জাতীয় সঙ্গীত, যা ১৯৪৭ সালের ১৪ই আগস্ট পাকিস্তান রেডিও-তে গাওয়া হয়েছিলো। লাহোরের হিন্দু কবি জগন্নাথ আজাদ ওটা লিখেছিলেন। জানা যায়, জিন্নাহ'র অনুরোধে মাত্র ক'দিনে তিনি তা লিখেন। বছর দেড়েক ওটা পাকিস্তানের জাতীয় সঙ্গীত ছিলো, যদিও 'পাকসার জমিন--' খুব সম্ভবত: ১৯৫০-এ জাতীয় সঙ্গীত হিসাবে গৃহীত হয়, ততদিনে জিন্নাহ যুগের অবসান ঘটেছে। এতথ্যের বিতর্ক আছে,তবু দিলাম এজন্যে যে, বাংলাদেশের জাতীয় সঙ্গীত সংস্কারপন্থীদের কাজে লাগতে পারে! 

আমি জানি আমার কথায় পাকি প্রেমীরা দু:খ পেয়েছেন। জনৈক ক্যাপ্টেনের 'হাম্বা হাম্বা' শুনে আমার অন্তত: তাই মনে হয়েছে। না, ক্যাপ্টেনের প্রতি আমি রাগী নাই, তার প্রতি রাগ করা যায়না, তাকে দয়া করা যায়। আমার রাগ হয়েছে জাতির জনক বঙ্গবনধু'র ওপর; কারণ তিনি দেশটা স্বাধীন করে না দিলে ঐসব 'নিমকহারামরা' লম্বা লম্বা কথা বলতে পারতো না, বরং পাঞ্জাবী অফিসারের বুট পালিশ করতে করতে জীবন কাটাতে পারতো। ধন্যবাদ।

SitangshuGuha 646-696-5569


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:
Mr. Gua,
        What do you mean by 

"এরা থাকে উন্নত দেশে, গণতন্ত্রের সকল সুযোগ-সুবিধা নেয়, কিন্তু স্বদেশ-স্বজাতি সেই সুবিধা পাক তা চায়না। এরা পরিবার-পরিজন নিয়ে মুসলিম বিশ্বে বসবাস করবে না, কিন্তু নিজের দেশটাকে তলে তলে মুসলিম দেশ বানাতে সচেষ্ট থাকবে।"


You mean currently majority citizens of Bangladesh are not Muslims?

If you so bloody honest, why the bastards like yourselves demolished the number of mosques including Babri Mosque in India?

Why ash holes like yourself killing innocent people just for eating Beef?

Mother fucker like you, why they are rapping innocent women's n under age girls by BJP?

Greatest cheater n thief like Robi Thakur cheating Bangladesh by robbing banks n businesses in Bangladesh.


Capt. Razzak A. Syed 

Sent from my iPhone


On 8 Mar 2016, at 12:08, Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com> wrote:

হুমায়ুন আজাদ বলেছিলেন যে, সাম্প্রদায়িকতাকে ভদ্রোচিত করতে 'বাংলাদেশী জাতীয়তাবাদ' আমদানী করা হয়েছিলো। ওই চেতনার মানুষগুলোর প্রায় সবার মনে 'সাধের পাকিস্তান' এখনো জিন্দবাদ। একই ঢঙে এরা বলে 'বাংলাদেশ জিন্দাবাদ'। এদের চেহারাটা ওপরে সুন্দর, ভেতরটা কুত্সিত। অধুনা এরা জাতীয় সঙ্গীত সংস্কারে নামছেন, বলছেন, কানাডার জাতীয় সঙ্গীতও সংস্কার হয়েছিলো। আসলে এদের 'মুখে শেখ ফরিদ, বগলে ইট'। এদের জন্যে আমার দু:খ হয়, কারণ মীর কাসেম আলীর মত এদেরও শেষরক্ষা হবেনা! এরা থাকে উন্নত দেশে, গণতন্ত্রের সকল সুযোগ-সুবিধা নেয়, কিন্তু স্বদেশ-স্বজাতি সেই সুবিধা পাক তা চায়না। এরা পরিবার-পরিজন নিয়ে মুসলিম বিশ্বে বসবাস করবে না, কিন্তু নিজের দেশটাকে তলে তলে মুসলিম দেশ বানাতে সচেষ্ট থাকবে। এটাকে বলে, 'ভন্ডামী'। এরা জাতীয় সঙ্গীত সংস্কার চায়, কারণ ওটা রবিঠাকুরের লেখা। 

SitangshuGuha 646-696-5569


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:41 PM, Abid Bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
A CONVENING COMMITTEE

Jalal bhai,

It makes sense to drop the word "reform".

Shahadat bhai is a poet, we can't do without him. Even he can try writing a poem that could be a probable candidate for the contest.

Muazzam Kazi bhai of Boston, S. Akter, Rashid Anam, Captain Razzak  and many more talented people could also be included.

About myself to lead the movement, the only problem is that I have tons of other issues to deal with. Under the circumstances, I prefer to be one of the vice presidents, just below Zoglul bhai.

If we all agree on the above, at least  for the time Jalal bhai becomes the convenor and we all remain as the convening committee members?

If we all agree on this, what  we have to develop now is to prepare a mission statement. Jalal bhai can you do it please?.



On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:27 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly endorse Jalal Bhai suggestion on Bahar Bhai. I know all of you are highly qualified literary personalities with a penchant for poetry. I am the least qualified among this enlightened group yet gratified to be involved in it. I also support the inclusion of Shahadat Hussaini in this exercise.  


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To: jukhan@gmail.com; abid.bahar@gmail.com
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Subject: RE: {PFC-Friends} RE: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 13:04:20 -0500


Dear Abid Bahar, Jalauddin Khan, Ranu Chowdhury:

Please count on me. I want to be part of it. Without a proper movement, even Nationalist government will not change it. I am positive on it.

Shahadat Suhrawardy


Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:47:33 +0400
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
From: jukhan@gmail.com
To: abid.bahar@gmail.com
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Thank you, Professor Dr. Abid Bahar, for proposing my name to be on the list of the office bearers for the contemplated Porishod. I consider any of you, especially you, to be a better fit for the chair/convenor of the committee than me. I'll be happy to be a member only without any executive capacity. I'm an academic, not really an activist, but you are all highly academic (or knowledgeable and academic minded) with an ability to action words into reality.  

Secondly, as I said earlier, I'm not comfortable with the word "reform." "Reform" meaning an incremental process of change, by degrees, on the original, there is nothing to reform about the current national anthem. It has to go for a completely new and different one, an "original one," as Col. R. Chowdhury (Bhai) says, "composed by a Bangladeshi and which inspires and rejuvenates our spirits [unlike the present] Amar Sonar Bangla [which] puts one to sleep" --- points which I also raised in my article, which, since 2000, has gone through some revisions.   

Please see if the word "reform" could be dropped.  

In the meantime, I take the opportunity to forward you my piece on the national anthem in case you might like to take a look.  

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:58 AM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
Its fine for an intellectual exercise. However, I have a few comments.

I had earlier said, and a few others agreed, that nothing would happen as long as Indian protégé Hasina regime stayed in power. Reportedly, Amar Sonar Bangla and Secularism are two gifts Mujib received from Indira Gandhi when he stopped over in New Delhi on his  way to independent Bangladesh on January 10, 1971. They were the first doses toward Indianizing Bangladesh. The process remained suspended for 21+5 years and now re-started on a fast track.

Therefore, the immediate priority is the ouster of this anti-Bangladeshi regime and get Bangladesh out of the Indian illegal hegemonic encroachments and interferences. Then we may suggest to the new authority to introduce a new national anthem that will be original, composed by a Bangladeshi and which inspires and rejuvenates our spirits (Amar Sonar Bangla puts one to sleep).

And, whatever we do, Dr. Abid Bahar should also be in it in an executive capacity.



Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 23:00:01 -0500
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
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BD INTERNATIONAL NATIONAL ANTHEM  REFORM MOVEMENT PARISHED

I would like to propose our respected professor Jalal Uddin Khan (PhD, English) to be the convenor/ Chairman of the Parished
I also like to propose A Akter to be the honorable secretary
Zoglul Hossain as the Senior vice president
Ranu Chowdhury as the vice president
Mohamed Gani as the vice President
Zainul Abedin as the organizing secretary
We have to have permission from all of them to confirm the comittee, followed by adding many more  names in the national and regional committees/ and in educational institutions.


This could be a similar movement we have going on in Canada and internationally about the model UN. The proposed reform movement can move step by step to make people aware of the anthem to bring the needed changes. 

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:34 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
"National Anthem Reform Movement" or 'Bangladesh National Anthem Porishod'
are good ideas.

> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 18:10:29 +0000
> From: nabdc@googlegroups.com
> To: jukhan@gmail.com; abid.bahar@gmail.com
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> Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
>
> Salam,
>
> Yes, we need a "firmer" decision toward actions.
>
> Zainul
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 3/6/16, Abid Bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
> To: "Jalal Uddin Khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Zahidul Hassan" <zahidhassan_2000@yahoo.com>, "rashed Anam" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>, "Zoglul Zoglul" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ranu51@hotmail.com>, "mgani69@gmail.com" <mgani69@gmail.com>, "S Akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>, "Muazzam Kazi" <kazi4986@yahoo.com>, "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>, "zainul abedin" <zainul321@yahoo.com>, "Farida Hossain" <druhfarida@gmail.com>, "Isha Khan" <bdmailer@gmail.com>, "Mina Farah" <farahmina@gmail.com>, "Javed Helali" <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>, "Khalifa Malik" <kmamalik15@gmail.com>, "MBI Munshi" <mbimunshi@gmail.com>, "noa@agni.com" <noa@agni.com>, "qamruddin chowdhury" <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>, "Quazi Nuruzzaman" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>, "Mohammed Shoaib" <shoaib187@yahoo.com>, "Serajul Islam" <serajul7@gmail.com>, "Hussain Suhrawardy" <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com>, "Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>, "Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>, "Syed Siddique" <siddiquelondonuk@gmail.com>, "Nazda Alam" <nazdakalam@gmail.com>, "Mohamed Nazir" <nazir0101@gmail.com>, "Azad Khan" <azadcop@yahoo.com>, "Nazda" <alamnazdak@comcast.net>, "Rownak Shahriar" <rms34@hotmail.com>, "tanvirnowaz@yahoo.com" <tanvirnowaz@yahoo.com>, "Muhammad Ahmed" <msahmed21@yahoo.co.uk>, "Atiqur Rahman Salu" <mfariha123@aol.com>, "Sameer Syed" <amsmel@aol.com>, "syed haque" <syedhaque@hotmail.com>, "Syeda Hasan" <poplu@hotmail.com>, "Syed Margoob" <smargoob@yahoo.com>, "kazimsislam@yahoo.com" <kazimsislam@yahoo.com>, "anis.ahmed" <anis.ahmed@netzero.net>, "Tareque Ahmed" <tareque7@gmail.com>, "nabdc group" <nabdc@googlegroups.com>, "Farzana Ahmed" <farzana.ahmed48@yahoo.com>, "Dr. Jamir Chowdhury" <americamyland@gmail.com>, "Nurul Bachchu" <bachchuhaq13@yahoo.com>, "Dr.Gholam Mostofa" <mostofadrgholam@gmail.com>, "Baman Das" <bamandas_basu@yahoo.com>, "Khondkar_Karim@uml.edu" <Khondkar_Karim@uml.edu>, "Dr. Em Pannah" <em.pannah@americatech.us>, "Golam Akhter" <akhtergolam@gmail.com>, "Iqbal Yousuf" <iqbalyousuf1@yahoo.com>, "Asiful Islam" <asifuli@gmail.com>, "Khondkar Saleque" <khondkar.saleque@gmail.com>, "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>, "Osman Gani" <mo.gani@hotmail.com>, "Osman Gani" <osmangani@gmail.com>, "quamrul hassan" <quamrul.hassan01@gmail.com>, "Mahbubur Rahman" <apurba01@gmail.com>, "Md Uddin" <md.uddin@comcast.net>, "Bazlul Wahab" <bazlul@yahoo.com>, "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>, "la-discussion@googlegroups.com" <la-discussion@googlegroups.com>, "Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>, "mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "MuktoChinta@yahoogroups.com" <muktochinta@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 6, 2016, 9:53 AM
>
> NATINAL ANTHEM REFORM MOVEMENT
> As if like the  Bangla Vasha
> Songram.Porishad of the 50's was formed to implement
> Bangla as our language, we can also start a national anthem
> reform movement porished to implement the anthem of
> Bangladesh.  
> (1)
> The first step in this direction is to make people
> conscious of the anomalies with the present state of the
> anthem(2) Second step could be to ask for
> submission of songs or suggestion for the reform of
> Tagore's present song/ anthem.
> (3) Personally, I would say that
> instead of changing the present song completely, we can
> reform it by adding the word Bangladesh and injecting some
> spirit into it. Both USA and Canada made reforms in their
> original anthem to accommodate the country's state of
> existence.
> Surely, the
> Mujibbadi indian puppet dada and sinduri didis are going to
> vehemently oppose it. To them the plagiarism/ cheating by
> Tagore is forgivable because he was a god to them. To my
> knowledge, (most teachers would know) we expel students from
> educational institutions for this type of offensive. In the
> academic circle, this is considered as a criminal offence.
> Surely, Tagor's criminality in this composure
> shouldn't be carried as a burden by  the
> entire nation. True, we shouldn't be standing up to
> show respect to a an article of theft. 
> Finally, this issue has been in
> discussion for quite sometime but no nationwide initiative
> has been taken yet to reform the anthem. At this stage,
> forming a nationwide Anthem Reform Movement Parished should
> be the way to go. This should be organized by an ANTHAM
> REFORM MOMENT CENTRAL COMMITTEE to repeatedly raise the
> issue to both Awami and BNP led governments. Awamis as
> fascists generally are very stubborn people, but to succeed
> in bringing progressive changes, people have to be more
> stubborn then them.    
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:25
> AM, Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> No problem as we all agree that this Amar Sonar B
> should not have been chosen as the national anthem of Bdesh.
> The only difference is that while the issue of derivation in
> terms of tune and text is very serious to you, Dr. Rashed,
> it is not so to me, given the fact that Tagore was one of
> the greatest poets by his own merit and talent. However, I
> mentioned 6 reasons against Amar Sonar B in my writing. If
> the derivation or the borrowing or the imitation thing is
> included (which I would not include with prominence), the
> number would be 7. I cannot agree with Mr Zahidul H's
> suggestion because Chol Chol Chol Urdho Gogone Baje Matol is
> only a martial/military song covering only one side, one
> element. A national anthem should more importantly cover
> other things in terms of noble and lofty patriotism and love
> and attachment to the soil, connected with its birth in a
> profoundly heightened and generalized manner. "As a suggestion, Talim Hussein's
> extremely cute
> and appropriately short and simple 8-line lyric, Shwadhin
> Bangladesh—concise
> yet powerful and forceful and resonant with the repetition
> of "Bangladesh" in a
> beautiful refrain—may very well come into the picture for
> consideration.
> Although Gazi Mazharul Anwar's Prothom Bangladesh Amar
> Shesh Bangladesh,
> distinguished for its superb lyrics, could be a great
> candidate, it will
> for sure be opposed by the Awami League for its long
> association with the BNP."  
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:15
> AM, Zahidul Hassan <zahidhassan_2000@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> I
> have said to many of friends  nation anthem should be
> something like " Chol, Chol, Chol" and not the
> bhalobashar gajakhori.
> WasSalam,Zahid
> - Opu
>
>
> On Saturday,
> March 5, 2016 4:26 PM, rashed Anam <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Khan,
> Having agreed all you've said, I
> think my posts are in congruent with central premise, as I
> too have mentioned that millions of people do these sort of
> plagiarism, influenced writing, singing etc.  My arguments
> vary in two distinct points: 
>
> 1) Knowing how deeply similar tune the
> 'Amar Sonar Bangla' is to the tune and style of
> 'Ami khothai Pabo Tare', the song can not be
> characterized as an original one.
>
> 2) Knowing national anthem being so
> sacred to the spirit of the nation, it should not be a 2nd
> rated/coped/plagiarized/influenced one. The national anthem
> should only   original in its spirit, in its tune and
> lyrical substance. Obviously the 'Amar Sonar Bangla'
> failed to uphold that lofty goal.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5,
> 2016 at 11:55 AM, Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Thanks, Dr. Rashed. In my article I made six
> detailed and concrete arguments against Amar Sonar B not
> deserving the status of the national anthem of Bdesh. The
> first version of my article was published about 20 years
> ago, then slightly revised versions at different times.
> However, the matter of "plagiarism" was not one of
> the six points I made. It was only mentioned in passing. The
> reason is that it is a common practice that poets and
> writers, major or minor, big or small, from Shakespeare to T
> S Eliot, do sometimes imitate, emulate, borrow, re-do,
> refashion and recreate other poets' or writers'
> themes, ideas, form and style in their own works as they
> struggle to be themselves and to find their own voice. That
> is why there is the modern literary theory of the burden of
> the past or the anxiety of influence. Those borrowings or
> stealings, so long as they are given a creative treatment to
> be made their own, integrated in their own way, are not
> taken very seriously. I think that is what has happened in
> the case of Tagore. Thanks for all the other information.  
>  
> On Sat, Mar 5,
> 2016 at 8:18 PM, rashed Anam <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Thank you Dr. Jalal Uddin Khan for
> your informative post.
>
> With regards to Tagore's plagiarizing
> of 'Amar Sonar Bangla'  from 'Ami khothai pabo
> tare',  does admittance of plagiarizing inoculate it
> from the offense itself? Does it make the plagiarizing
> vanish in the ether?  Or does it sanitize and water down
> the plagiarizing?  
>
> If you listen to the tune, it is almost 
> 1-1 match. The lyrics like 'Mori hai..." are carbon
> copies.  The evidence of the song 'Ami kothai pabo
> tare'  was too strong for Tagore to out right deny it.
> He had to admit it. But remember he admitted it after 5/6
> years.  The 'amar sonar bangla' was written around
> 1905 and Tagore admitted it in 1914, after about 9 years
> when the controversy was  high and evidence was irrefutable
> about it. Tagore wrote an article title 'postman'
> (Harkara)  about it admitting about it and on Baul songs.
> Actually the famed Mr. Shottajir Roy made a movie called
> 'Postman' on the life of Gagan Harkara.
>
> Just as a alleged
> thief's admittance of his theft does not make the
> original offense of theft non-existent or go away, a
> plagiarizer's plagiarizing does not become non-existent
> upon his admittance or sugar coating or sanitizing of it.
> The tune is too similar to 'ami kothai pabo tare'
> for it to be considered an original song. There is nothing
> wrong to copy or heavily mimic other song. There are
> millions of such songs and by famous song writers. But the
> issue is about trying to sell it as epic, as original, or
> praise worthy.  To do so would be mis-characterizing it and
> also robbing the original song writer/singer Gagan Harkara
> of the credit .
>
>
> The
> question remains, how can a plagiarized or mimic song
> 'amar sonar bangla' be a national anthem of any
> country?? A national Anthem is very sacred. It has to be
> original at least for it to be considered sacred. It cannot
> be a coped version of someone else song.  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaFetWNuaoE
>
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem



বিদেশে থাকে রাজাকার আর মজা কইরা খায়

দেশে গিয়া এই বিরত্ত দেখাইয়া দাও।

রাজাকারে কি না কয়, ছাগলে কি না খায়।

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Khoniker Othithee khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

There is no dearth of flag waving shallow,  feel good patriotism. Those of us living in Dhaka see this as nothing more than  frivolous . The country has bigger issue, like, law n order, corruption, militancy , public health,education, lack of people representation, to name the few. 


I like to say to those know it all ( part time citizen/patriot of Babgladesh) please think of tangible for Bangldesh. Formenting trouble from abroad, in the disguise of nationalism is unwarranted. 


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On Monday, March 7, 2016, 6:42 PM, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Except for "Khoniker Otithee", I fully or partly agree with all others in this thread on the question of national anthem. Bangladesh should have held an open competition among Bangladeshi writers, composers, etc. for its anthem. 

The 2008 and 2014 elections were rigged, and hence the govts since the 2008 election are illegal, and their amendments to the constitution are illegal. But whatever we say about the untenable situation, the govt. said that they had to hold the 2014 election for 'constitutional requirement', and Sujatha Singh said the same thing! However, the first 10 lines of Tagore's 'Sonar Bangla' as the anthem have been included in the constitution (Please see: 4. (1) The national anthem of the Republic is the first ten lines of "Amar Sonar Bangla"). Thus, to change the anthem, one needs to amend the constitution, which in turn needs a whole lot of political change. 

However, discussions and mobilisation of opinion can go on. If you want to form a group, forum, 'porishod', etc., that is also OK. I will be at your service as an ordinary member. It needs propagating the ideas and mobilising opinion.




From: zoglul@hotmail.co.uk
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CC: shahadathussaini@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: {PFC-Friends} RE: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 23:35:04 +0000




Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 20:56:05 +0000
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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} RE: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem

Sonar Bangla has a simple Bengali tune, yet can stir up strong patriotic emotion in Bengali.
It was a defacto  athem for Bengali military officers who were tormenting  revolt against Pakistani military. Same group chose sun as in the Japanese flag for the BD flag.

Those who are contemplating a new National anthem because author of the present one was never Bangldesh citizen because he died decades before creation of BD. For them sonar Bangla is a work of a British citizen. Now what they have say sun the in the flag, it is borrowed design from Japanese flag. At least Tagore was Bengali nation, same as most of the Bangladeshi. How Japanese are Bangladeshi that is more acceptable borrow from Japanese design than borrowing from a Bengali from British . It is absurd to think of changing flag design , then it more ridiculous change anthem.

These self gloating part time citizen of  BD need to live Bangladesh at least ten years at stretch before they demand change in anthem or flag.

They definetly dont have the best interest of Bangladesh, they are looking for spot light cheaply. Be more creative than be a riot monger; since it not very hard to stir up riots  in will definetly cause carnage there and many children will loose their life. From the safety of abroad some are  looking forward to see bloodshed there and feel pleasure of tormenting others, to  what end only eblis can appreciate. 

National athem and flag icon are not burning issue. If want you to help Bangladesh , then go their and live there for a decads and serve the people there.


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On Monday, March 7, 2016, 2:28 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:

I strongly endorse Jalal Bhai suggestion on Bahar Bhai. I know all of you are highly qualified literary personalities with a penchant for poetry. I am the least qualified among this enlightened group yet gratified to be involved in it. I also support the inclusion of Shahadat Hussaini in this exercise.  


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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 13:04:20 -0500

Dear Abid Bahar, Jalauddin Khan, Ranu Chowdhury:

Please count on me. I want to be part of it. Without a proper movement, even Nationalist government will not change it. I am positive on it.

Shahadat Suhrawardy


Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:47:33 +0400
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Thank you, Professor Dr. Abid Bahar, for proposing my name to be on the list of the office bearers for the contemplated Porishod. I consider any of you, especially you, to be a better fit for the chair/convenor of the committee than me. I'll be happy to be a member only without any executive capacity. I'm an academic, not really an activist, but you are all highly academic (or knowledgeable and academic minded) with an ability to action words into reality.  

Secondly, as I said earlier, I'm not comfortable with the word "reform." "Reform" meaning an incremental process of change, by degrees, on the original, there is nothing to reform about the current national anthem. It has to go for a completely new and different one, an "original one," as Col. R. Chowdhury (Bhai) says, "composed by a Bangladeshi and which inspires and rejuvenates our spirits [unlike the present] Amar Sonar Bangla [which] puts one to sleep" --- points which I also raised in my article, which, since 2000, has gone through some revisions.   

Please see if the word "reform" could be dropped.  

In the meantime, I take the opportunity to forward you my piece on the national anthem in case you might like to take a look.  

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:58 AM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
Its fine for an intellectual exercise. However, I have a few comments.

I had earlier said, and a few others agreed, that nothing would happen as long as Indian protégé Hasina regime stayed in power. Reportedly, Amar Sonar Bangla and Secularism are two gifts Mujib received from Indira Gandhi when he stopped over in New Delhi on his  way to independent Bangladesh on January 10, 1971. They were the first doses toward Indianizing Bangladesh. The process remained suspended for 21+5 years and now re-started on a fast track.

Therefore, the immediate priority is the ouster of this anti-Bangladeshi regime and get Bangladesh out of the Indian illegal hegemonic encroachments and interferences. Then we may suggest to the new authority to introduce a new national anthem that will be original, composed by a Bangladeshi and which inspires and rejuvenates our spirits (Amar Sonar Bangla puts one to sleep).

And, whatever we do, Dr. Abid Bahar should also be in it in an executive capacity.



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BD INTERNATIONAL NATIONAL ANTHEM  REFORM MOVEMENT PARISHED

I would like to propose our respected professor Jalal Uddin Khan (PhD, English) to be the convenor/ Chairman of the Parished
I also like to propose A Akter to be the honorable secretary
Zoglul Hossain as the Senior vice president
Ranu Chowdhury as the vice president
Mohamed Gani as the vice President
Zainul Abedin as the organizing secretary
We have to have permission from all of them to confirm the comittee, followed by adding many more  names in the national and regional committees/ and in educational institutions.


This could be a similar movement we have going on in Canada and internationally about the model UN. The proposed reform movement can move step by step to make people aware of the anthem to bring the needed changes. 

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:34 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
"National Anthem Reform Movement" or 'Bangladesh National Anthem Porishod'
are good ideas.

> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 18:10:29 +0000
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> Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
>
> Salam,
>
> Yes, we need a "firmer" decision toward actions.
>
> Zainul
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> On Sun, 3/6/16, Abid Bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
> To: "Jalal Uddin Khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Zahidul Hassan" <zahidhassan_2000@yahoo.com>, "rashed Anam" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>, "Zoglul Zoglul" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ranu51@hotmail.com>, "mgani69@gmail.com" <mgani69@gmail.com>, "S Akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>, "Muazzam Kazi" <kazi4986@yahoo.com>, "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>, "zainul abedin" <zainul321@yahoo.com>, "Farida Hossain" <druhfarida@gmail.com>, "Isha Khan" <bdmailer@gmail.com>, "Mina Farah" <farahmina@gmail.com>, "Javed Helali" <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>, "Khalifa Malik" <kmamalik15@gmail.com>, "MBI Munshi" <mbimunshi@gmail.com>, "noa@agni.com" <noa@agni.com>, "qamruddin chowdhury" <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>, "Quazi Nuruzzaman" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>, "Mohammed Shoaib" <shoaib187@yahoo.com>, "Serajul Islam" <serajul7@gmail.com>, "Hussain Suhrawardy" <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com>, "Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>, "Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>, "Syed Siddique" <siddiquelondonuk@gmail.com>, "Nazda Alam" <nazdakalam@gmail.com>, "Mohamed Nazir" <nazir0101@gmail.com>, "Azad Khan" <azadcop@yahoo.com>, "Nazda" <alamnazdak@comcast.net>, "Rownak Shahriar" <rms34@hotmail.com>, "tanvirnowaz@yahoo.com" <tanvirnowaz@yahoo.com>, "Muhammad Ahmed" <msahmed21@yahoo.co.uk>, "Atiqur Rahman Salu" <mfariha123@aol.com>, "Sameer Syed" <amsmel@aol.com>, "syed haque" <syedhaque@hotmail.com>, "Syeda Hasan" <poplu@hotmail.com>, "Syed Margoob" <smargoob@yahoo.com>, "kazimsislam@yahoo.com" <kazimsislam@yahoo.com>, "anis.ahmed" <anis.ahmed@netzero.net>, "Tareque Ahmed" <tareque7@gmail.com>, "nabdc group" <nabdc@googlegroups.com>, "Farzana Ahmed" <farzana.ahmed48@yahoo.com>, "Dr. Jamir Chowdhury" <americamyland@gmail.com>, "Nurul Bachchu" <bachchuhaq13@yahoo.com>, "Dr.Gholam Mostofa" <mostofadrgholam@gmail.com>, "Baman Das" <bamandas_basu@yahoo.com>, "Khondkar_Karim@uml.edu" <Khondkar_Karim@uml.edu>, "Dr. Em Pannah" <em.pannah@americatech.us>, "Golam Akhter" <akhtergolam@gmail.com>, "Iqbal Yousuf" <iqbalyousuf1@yahoo.com>, "Asiful Islam" <asifuli@gmail.com>, "Khondkar Saleque" <khondkar.saleque@gmail.com>, "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>, "Osman Gani" <mo.gani@hotmail.com>, "Osman Gani" <osmangani@gmail.com>, "quamrul hassan" <quamrul.hassan01@gmail.com>, "Mahbubur Rahman" <apurba01@gmail.com>, "Md Uddin" <md.uddin@comcast.net>, "Bazlul Wahab" <bazlul@yahoo.com>, "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>, "la-discussion@googlegroups.com" <la-discussion@googlegroups.com>, "Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>, "mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "MuktoChinta@yahoogroups.com" <muktochinta@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 6, 2016, 9:53 AM
>
> NATINAL ANTHEM REFORM MOVEMENT
> As if like the  Bangla Vasha
> Songram.Porishad of the 50's was formed to implement
> Bangla as our language, we can also start a national anthem
> reform movement porished to implement the anthem of
> Bangladesh.  
> (1)
> The first step in this direction is to make people
> conscious of the anomalies with the present state of the
> anthem(2) Second step could be to ask for
> submission of songs or suggestion for the reform of
> Tagore's present song/ anthem.
> (3) Personally, I would say that
> instead of changing the present song completely, we can
> reform it by adding the word Bangladesh and injecting some
> spirit into it. Both USA and Canada made reforms in their
> original anthem to accommodate the country's state of
> existence.
> Surely, the
> Mujibbadi indian puppet dada and sinduri didis are going to
> vehemently oppose it. To them the plagiarism/ cheating by
> Tagore is forgivable because he was a god to them. To my
> knowledge, (most teachers would know) we expel students from
> educational institutions for this type of offensive. In the
> academic circle, this is considered as a criminal offence.
> Surely, Tagor's criminality in this composure
> shouldn't be carried as a burden by  the
> entire nation. True, we shouldn't be standing up to
> show respect to a an article of theft. 
> Finally, this issue has been in
> discussion for quite sometime but no nationwide initiative
> has been taken yet to reform the anthem. At this stage,
> forming a nationwide Anthem Reform Movement Parished should
> be the way to go. This should be organized by an ANTHAM
> REFORM MOMENT CENTRAL COMMITTEE to repeatedly raise the
> issue to both Awami and BNP led governments. Awamis as
> fascists generally are very stubborn people, but to succeed
> in bringing progressive changes, people have to be more
> stubborn then them.    
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:25
> AM, Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> No problem as we all agree that this Amar Sonar B
> should not have been chosen as the national anthem of Bdesh.
> The only difference is that while the issue of derivation in
> terms of tune and text is very serious to you, Dr. Rashed,
> it is not so to me, given the fact that Tagore was one of
> the greatest poets by his own merit and talent. However, I
> mentioned 6 reasons against Amar Sonar B in my writing. If
> the derivation or the borrowing or the imitation thing is
> included (which I would not include with prominence), the
> number would be 7. I cannot agree with Mr Zahidul H's
> suggestion because Chol Chol Chol Urdho Gogone Baje Matol is
> only a martial/military song covering only one side, one
> element. A national anthem should more importantly cover
> other things in terms of noble and lofty patriotism and love
> and attachment to the soil, connected with its birth in a
> profoundly heightened and generalized manner. "As a suggestion, Talim Hussein's
> extremely cute
> and appropriately short and simple 8-line lyric, Shwadhin
> Bangladesh—concise
> yet powerful and forceful and resonant with the repetition
> of "Bangladesh" in a
> beautiful refrain—may very well come into the picture for
> consideration.
> Although Gazi Mazharul Anwar's Prothom Bangladesh Amar
> Shesh Bangladesh,
> distinguished for its superb lyrics, could be a great
> candidate, it will
> for sure be opposed by the Awami League for its long
> association with the BNP."  
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:15
> AM, Zahidul Hassan <zahidhassan_2000@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> I
> have said to many of friends  nation anthem should be
> something like " Chol, Chol, Chol" and not the
> bhalobashar gajakhori.
> WasSalam,Zahid
> - Opu
>
>
> On Saturday,
> March 5, 2016 4:26 PM, rashed Anam <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Khan,
> Having agreed all you've said, I
> think my posts are in congruent with central premise, as I
> too have mentioned that millions of people do these sort of
> plagiarism, influenced writing, singing etc.  My arguments
> vary in two distinct points: 
>
> 1) Knowing how deeply similar tune the
> 'Amar Sonar Bangla' is to the tune and style of
> 'Ami khothai Pabo Tare', the song can not be
> characterized as an original one.
>
> 2) Knowing national anthem being so
> sacred to the spirit of the nation, it should not be a 2nd
> rated/coped/plagiarized/influenced one. The national anthem
> should only   original in its spirit, in its tune and
> lyrical substance. Obviously the 'Amar Sonar Bangla'
> failed to uphold that lofty goal.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5,
> 2016 at 11:55 AM, Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Thanks, Dr. Rashed. In my article I made six
> detailed and concrete arguments against Amar Sonar B not
> deserving the status of the national anthem of Bdesh. The
> first version of my article was published about 20 years
> ago, then slightly revised versions at different times.
> However, the matter of "plagiarism" was not one of
> the six points I made. It was only mentioned in passing. The
> reason is that it is a common practice that poets and
> writers, major or minor, big or small, from Shakespeare to T
> S Eliot, do sometimes imitate, emulate, borrow, re-do,
> refashion and recreate other poets' or writers'
> themes, ideas, form and style in their own works as they
> struggle to be themselves and to find their own voice. That
> is why there is the modern literary theory of the burden of
> the past or the anxiety of influence. Those borrowings or
> stealings, so long as they are given a creative treatment to
> be made their own, integrated in their own way, are not
> taken very seriously. I think that is what has happened in
> the case of Tagore. Thanks for all the other information.  
>  
> On Sat, Mar 5,
> 2016 at 8:18 PM, rashed Anam <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Thank you Dr. Jalal Uddin Khan for
> your informative post.
>
> With regards to Tagore's plagiarizing
> of 'Amar Sonar Bangla'  from 'Ami khothai pabo
> tare',  does admittance of plagiarizing inoculate it
> from the offense itself? Does it make the plagiarizing
> vanish in the ether?  Or does it sanitize and water down
> the plagiarizing?  
>
> If you listen to the tune, it is almost 
> 1-1 match. The lyrics like 'Mori hai..." are carbon
> copies.  The evidence of the song 'Ami kothai pabo
> tare'  was too strong for Tagore to out right deny it.
> He had to admit it. But remember he admitted it after 5/6
> years.  The 'amar sonar bangla' was written around
> 1905 and Tagore admitted it in 1914, after about 9 years
> when the controversy was  high and evidence was irrefutable
> about it. Tagore wrote an article title 'postman'
> (Harkara)  about it admitting about it and on Baul songs.
> Actually the famed Mr. Shottajir Roy made a movie called
> 'Postman' on the life of Gagan Harkara.
>
> Just as a alleged
> thief's admittance of his theft does not make the
> original offense of theft non-existent or go away, a
> plagiarizer's plagiarizing does not become non-existent
> upon his admittance or sugar coating or sanitizing of it.
> The tune is too similar to 'ami kothai pabo tare'
> for it to be considered an original song. There is nothing
> wrong to copy or heavily mimic other song. There are
> millions of such songs and by famous song writers. But the
> issue is about trying to sell it as epic, as original, or
> praise worthy.  To do so would be mis-characterizing it and
> also robbing the original song writer/singer Gagan Harkara
> of the credit .
>
>
> The
> question remains, how can a plagiarized or mimic song
> 'amar sonar bangla' be a national anthem of any
> country?? A national Anthem is very sacred. It has to be
> original at least for it to be considered sacred. It cannot
> be a coped version of someone else song.  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaFetWNuaoE
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