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Monday, June 4, 2012

[mukto-mona] Fw: Saudi Princess caught leaving Parisian hotel without paying bill


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 Entrance door of the luxury Shangri-La Hotel

Princess Maha Al-Sudairi

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সৌদি প্রিন্সেসের বিরুদ্ধে মামলা

Posted 13/06/2009
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ফ্রান্সের একটি অভিজাত পোশাক বিপণি লাখ ২৬ হাজার মার্কিন ডলার বকেয়া বিলের জন্য এক সৌদি প্রিন্সেসের বিরুদ্ধে আদালতে মামলা করেছে। বিপণির আইনজীবী বৃহস্পতিবার কথা জানান। আরো একটি বিপণি বিতান ওই প্রিন্সেসের কাছ থেকে ৭০ হাজার ইউরো পাবে। শুধু তাই নয়, পত্রিকার খবর অনুযায়ী, ফ্রান্সের রাজধানী প্যারিসের কেন্দ্রস্থলের বেশকিছু বিপণিতে প্রিন্সেসের বেশ কয়েক মিলিয়ন ইউরো দেনা রয়েছে। কী লার্গোর আইনজীবী জ্যাকি বেনাজেরাহ বলেন, সৌদি স্বরাষ্ট্রমন্ত্রী প্রিন্স নায়িফ বিন আবদুল আজিজের স্ত্রী মাহা আল-সুদাইরি এক বছর আগের বকেয়া শোধ করেননিপ্যারিসের আরেকটি অলঙ্কার বিক্রেতা বিপণি আদালতে যাচ্ছে
http://taiyabs.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%8C%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A7/

হোটেলে 'ফাও' খেতে গিয়ে ধরা খেলেন সৌদি প্রিন্সেস

০২ রা জুন, ২০১২ রাত ৮:১৪

http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/sheulyblog/29608110


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[mukto-mona] Fw: Kamaruzzaman indicted : Most of his 7 war crime charges involve murder; trial begins July 2


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Kamaruzzaman indicted

Most of his 7 war crime charges involve murder; trial begins July 2

KamaruzzamanJulfikar Ali Manik and Tuhin Shubhra Adhikary
Jamaat-e-Islami leader Muhammad Kamaruzzaman has been charged with murder and torture of unarmed civilians and complicity in other crimes against humanity during the Liberation War in 1971.
After framing seven specific charges against him yesterday, the International Crimes Tribunal-2 fixed July 2 for the beginning of the trial.
The charges are based on seven separate incidents of crimes against humanity that left at least 183 unarmed people dead and some women raped.
Born in Sherpur on July 4, 1952, Kamaruzzaman was president of Islami Chhatra Sangha in greater Mymensingh in 1971.
The pro-Jamaat student body was later renamed Islami Chhatra Shibir.
ICS members formed AL Badr to collaborate with the Pakistani military that committed genocide and mass killing during the war, according to historical records.
The war that ended with the birth of a new nation after nine months saw at least three million people killed and over two lakh women raped.
During the charge framing yesterday, Tribunal-2 said Kamaruzzaman had played the key role in the formation of Al Badr with selected students of Ashek Mahmud Collage in Jamalpur. All of them belonged to ICS.
Under his leadership, all members of ICS of greater Mymensingh were recruited in Al Badr, the court said while presenting a brief profile of the accused.
On receiving summary training, they started committing atrocities targeting the Hindu community and unarmed Bangalee civilians in Kishoreganj, Netrokona, Sherpur, Jamalpur and Mymensingh.
"He [Kamaruzzaman] allegedly being in close association with Pakistani army, actively aided, abetted, facilitated and substantially contributed in committing dreadful atrocities during the War of Liberation in 1971 in the territory of Bangladesh," it said.
Now senior assistant secretary general of his party, the Jamaat leader has also been charged with complicity in and failing to prevent such crimes.
Six of the seven charges were for his involvement in crimes, including murder, torture, abduction and confinement.
One charge related to his "inhuman acts" against Syed Abdul Hannan, the then principal of Sherpur College, in 1971.
"During the period of the War of Liberation, on an afternoon in mid-May, you [Kamaruzzaman], being the chief organiser of Al-Badr Bahini as well as leader of Islami Chhatra Sangha or member of a group of individuals, and your accomplices caused inhuman acts to distinguished pro-liberation intellectual Syed Abdul Hannan, the then Principal of Sherpur College, by compelling him to walk through the town, making him almost undressed and by constant whipping, as he was a gallant supporter of the War of Liberation," the court told the accused.
"Therefore, you, Muhammad Kamaruzzaman, are being charged with participating in and substantially facilitating and contributing to the commission of offence of 'inhuman acts as crime against humanity' caused to Syed Abdul Hannan."
Tribunal-2 Chairman Justice ATM Fazle Kabir read out the charges along with an introduction to the formation of the court, a brief history of the Liberation War, a brief profile of Kamaruzzaman and submissions of the prosecution and the defence along with the court's views on the case.
"We are of the view that there are sufficient materials before this tribunal to presume that accused Muhammad Kamaruzzaman has committed offences specified under section 3(2) of the Act for which he is criminally liable under section 4(1) of the Act."
"Since we find that there are prima facie allegations against the accused, the charges are thus framed against him," said the three-member Tribunal-2 that includes Justice Obaidul Hassan and Judge M Shahinur Islam.
The 60-year-old Jamaat leader was produced before the tribunal yesterday at 10:26am. He first took a seat in the dock at the back of the courtroom.
Before reading out the charges, the court asked Kamaruzzaman to go to the dock near the judges' bench if he could not hear.
Kamaruzzaman, wearing white shirt, black pant and black shoes, went to the dock and kept standing.
SIX OTHER CHARGES 
On June 29, 1971, under the leadership of Kamaruzzaman, a group of Al Badr members abducted Badiuzzaman, son of Md Fazlul Haque, in Ramnagar village under Jhenaigati upazila, Sherpur.
He was tortured at Ahammed Nagar army camp all night long and shot to death the following day. His body was dumped in a water body.
In the early morning of July 25, 1971, Kamaruzzaman advised members of Al-Badr and Razakar [another auxiliary force] to commit a large scale massacre, in association with Pakistani troops, in Sohagpur village of Nalitabari upazila, Sherpur.
The collaborators murdered 164 unarmed civilians, 44 of whom are named, and raped women.
On August 23, 1971, on Kamaruzzaman's instruction, collaborators took Golam Mostafa, son of late Asir Uddin of village Gridda Narayanpur in Sherpur, to an Al-Badr camp.
The Jamaat leader and his accomplices brought Mostafa and one Abul Kasem to Serih Bridge and gunned them down.
Kasem survived as he jumped into the river but suffered injuries in his fingers. Mostafa died on the spot.
In mid-Ramadan in 1971, Kamaruzzaman and his followers picked up Liakat Ali and Mujibur Rahman Janu from their houses and brought them to a Razakar camp at Raghunathpur Bazar where they were tortured. Afterwards, the duo were kept detained for four days at a police station.
On Kamaruzzaman's order, the two along with 11 other civilians were shifted to Jhenaigati Ahammed Nagar camp. Afterwards, eight of them were shot to death. At the time, the accused and his aide Kamran were present.
In November 1971, under the instruction of Kamaruzzaman, some members of Al-Badr abducted Tunu and one Jahangir from Golki Bari and took them to the District Council Dak Banglow in Mymensingh.
Tunu was tortured to death. Jahangir was detained but freed later on.
On Ramadan 27, one Tepa Mia and his elder son Zahurul Islam Dara were abducted by Kamaruzzaman, who was accompanied by 15-20 armed Al-Badr members from Golapjan Road, Mymensingh. They were taken to the Al-Badr camp at District Council Dak Bungalow.
The next morning, along with five others, the father and son were lined up on the bank of river Brahmaputra.
Tepa Mia, when he was about to be charged with a bayonet, jumped into the river.
As the collaborators fired at him, he received injuries in the leg but managed to escape. But the remaining six got killed.
Yesterday, after the charges were read out, the tribunal chairman asked Kamaruzzaman whether he pleaded guilty or not.
Kamaruzzaman pleaded not guilty, saying, "The charges brought against me are totally false, baseless, politically motivated and imaginary."
"I am totally innocent," he claimed.
If convicted, he could get the death penalty under Section 20(2) of the International Crimes (Tribunal) Act, 1973. The act allows a convict to appeal to the Supreme Court Appellate Division.
Detained on July 13, 2010 in a criminal case, Kamaruzzaman was shown arrested on war crimes charges on August 2 the same year.
The International Crimes Tribunal-1 took the charges against Kamaruzzaman into cognisance on January 31 after the prosecution submitted formal charges of nine counts of crimes against humanity on January 15.
The case was transferred to tribunal-2 on April 16.
The court yesterday said the trial of Kamaruzzaman, starting with the opening statement of the prosecution on July 2, will continue every working day until further orders.

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Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University



Prof. Khandkar was never consistent in his manners.  He had connections on the top politicians.  He allowed a sick bed to Shaikh Shahidul Islam because he was the nephew of Bangabandhu, it is said.  He never really risked his life by giving shelter to a Hindu student.  In fact that story I am hearing for the first time.  A person who fought with rickshaw pullers for two annas every day is not expected to show such magnanimity.  Khandkar never announced his intention to produce no more Hindus for India, it was another teacher of another Department who did it.  However, education at Dacca University was less than that of international standard those days.  Only a fool could be proud of it though it was the best the land could offer.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I would not pass any comment on Dr. Khondokar behavior because I do not know him at all. What I can understand from your writings is that he was a nationalist and showed a great deal of favor towards certain group of students. However, he was a civil teacher but could not hide his disgust about some Hindu students chose to leave the country. Since those students overwhelmingly left for India rather than US, he probably got very upset. He had no understanding why those people wanted to flee. Maybe, he wanted them to stay in the country and serve and fight for their rights? If good people just leave without giving a fight, it also put more burden to the next generations.

Now, why he saved a student from Pakistanis by risking his own life, we would never know. That might be due to his human quality that was still there with him? There are times when a monster can do good things too.

Teachers are also humans and they too posses the same qualities/attributes like many of us.
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 9:58 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University

 
Our memory fades. After 40 years it is hard to separate myths and facts from a mixture of these two. Let us assume that Dr. M. Khundakar, as the head of the department, was actually against producing chemists for India. Given the animosity between Pakistan and India, Khundakar was a great nationalist, but at the same time he was very poorly professional. Why did he take Hindu students at all? Once taken, how could he make a Hindu learn less and therby make him lesser of a chemist? During the Pakistani occupation period (March-Devcember 1971) he sheltered a brilliant Hindu student in his own home (Kamal-da might have been his classmate and hence may be able to reconfirm it). By doing this he risked his own life! Is it not intriguing that Khundakar was in the process of making a first-class-first Hindu chemist in the very Pakistan period in his own hands? Is it also not inspiring and wonderful? How a feat of professionalism be better? Is it not a wonderful piece of the untold history of our great liberation war and communal harmony as well? 
By the by I should mention from whom I heard about Dr. M. Khundakar's alleged unwillingness to produce chemists for India. He was Ganapati Haldar. He was another brilliant student and was my roommate for one year in the dorm when we were students of Dhaka college. He came of a poor family. He got involved in a politics that made him dream of changing the society. He got killed in the hands of the antiliberation forces.         

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "jnsr53@yahoo.com" <jnsr53@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Well, we deserve no better than mediocrity. The worms are already planted in the brains of students and teachers. Only few might be coming out right from the system with an open mind while the rest will paying some money to the middlemen and get some mundane jobs and will carry on living happily after. I think the battle is already lost. Good and fair teachers for Bangladeshis? Why and who cares? (Sorry for my sarcasm)
-SD



 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Very well said, Deeldar! 
Communality blurs one's vision to see the talent in the people belonging to a different community from theirs. This practice gives undue advantage to a preferred community over the others. Although the preferred community may gain from this practice in the short term, but the country will lose in the long run due to mediocrity, as you so justly said.  This practice encourages brain-drain, which causes irreparable damage to a country. Therefore, people who really love their county can never be communal.
You also said that talented people will always shine wherever they are. That's so true. I think communality anywhere in a country, especially in the academic institutions, is the highest form of betrayal to a country.
I taught Physics at Dhaka University for 3 years (1978 – 1981). While grading paper, my only thought used to be - if I was being fair to my students, nothing else. Never a thought of communal discrimination ever crossed through my mind during my academic tenure. I think - most of our teachers think that way also. Some Islamist-teachers may possess communality in Bangladesh. The same way, some Hindutyabadi-teachers in India may possess communality. I believe - these are exceptional cases only. It will always be there.
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Fri, 6/1/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 1, 2012, 9:21 AM

 
"I won't be surprised if there was unwritten instruction to the department-Heads from the state authority in favor of communal discrimination."
Discrimination has been pretty rampant in schools/colleges/universities without any doubt. You can't do much about it unless strong individuals step in and do the right thing. Nobody can stop a bright student becoming whatever he or she wants to do in his/her life. But with persistent practice of discrimination, you create mediocrity in your academic institutions. The very brights will leave while mediocre students will stay and create more mediocre students. And, you can guess what happens next. If you add politics and religion into the equation, that would lower the quality even further and set the standard as garbage in garbage out mode! -SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Physics department had very good reputation of being secular, in those days (1960s). I never had any personal experience of religious hatred from any of my Muslim teachers; instead, I only experienced their selfless love and affection. But, I heard allegation from some Hindu students about communal treatments towards them from the very same teachers. What could be the explanation for these two different treatments from the same person(s)?  This is what I also noticed – accusation always came from students after receiving not so satisfactory grades from those teachers. Therefore, when I hear this type of allegation, I think many of them may be either unfounded or mistaken interpretations of the event.
This is not to say that there was no communality in any of our teachers. In some special circumstances, it may have happened. I heard that communality may have played a role when two students, one Hindu and one Muslim, compete for the top rank (first-class-first) and their scores are too close to call. Top rank used to come with guaranteed job as a faculty or in the civil services. This was a consideration at the time of awarding the top rank during the Pakistani-era. I won't be surprised if there was unwritten instruction to the department-Heads from the state authority in favor of communal discrimination. Therefore, teachers might not have choice but to comply. Who knows...
Jiten Roy --- On Thu, 5/31/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 3:20 PM

 
I can input some data to make the story more complete. 
1. Before 1971 the Chemistry dept  head of DU used to tell the class that he was not going to produce chemists for India. I heard about it from a student (killed in liberation war) of the same dept. I don't if that was an exaggeration. The same teacher have shelter to a brilliant Hindu student during the occupation period. This student spent the entire 9 months in Dhaka city. I have seen hindu students referring to him as a Rajakar. That person is now in America and doing good. The thing is still a riddle to me. 
2. One Hindu student from English dept. told us about a departmental professor who had bitter experience as a minority student in Calcutta University. He used to suffer from inferiority complex and used to sit on a back seat all by himself. One day one professor pointed to him and asked, "Is that a Musselman?"
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On May 31, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Muslims are not any exceptions to the typical human behavior. Any group of people would like to find some commonality or differences with other groups of people and fight the "common enemy". When they do not find any common enemy, they will find differences within the same group and fight the people who look different or behave differently. The exceptions are rare unless the group has different motives and agenda. You can easily test this by putting bunch of Muslims (or Hindus/Christians) in a village and let them interact for few months. Certain group of Muslims will look down on others even they pray to the same Allah.
Yes, for some good or bad reason, people would like to be connected to the Arabian royal blood in order to be able to  boast about their ancestry. That is because of their poor self confidence and education. I would agree with you about Pakistani Muslims hating more their Hindu ancestry than Bengali Muslims. New converts are always less tolerant to their past. The reason is obvious!
The bottom line is that God is not a solution when people think their God is better and more powerful than other people' Gods. It is rather a refuge for certain scoundrels, who do not want to answer some tough questions. It is rather a business with no productivity except producing more illiterates for the society. To a small starving child, an "omnipotence" God has no value at all in comparison to a small piece of bread. 
-SD
PS. Sorry for being little off topic.

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
While I salute Dr. Das for his successful fight against a wrong trend, I must say that during my student life at Dhaka University Chemistry Department (1975-1981), an overwhelming majority of my professors were non-communal decent human beings of the Muslim background. In fact, I consider quite a few of them as the best teachers of my life. The clear concepts that I got from them made me increasingly interested in Chemistry. Most of the ones that I got a chance to mix with at a personal level were helpful and understanding.
 
Unlike Dr. Das, I actually doubt if the Pakistani Muslims had more respect for their Hindu ancestry than the Bengali Muslims. The state of Pakistan during its entire lifetime (1947 to date) does not support what Dr. Das felt. I think one needs to mix intimately with people, while asserting his/her rights, to know their real character.
 
Talking about Arabian ancestry, I think Bengali Muslims overall are too irrational when it comes to the looks, sounds and smells of their religion; but I doubt if they are worse than the Pakistani Muslims. Of course, there are exceptions to the overall picture.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Chemistry Department stopped awarding first class to any student bearing Hindu name since the 1965 war between India and Pakistan, the tradition continued till I changed it four years later.  Most of my classmates agreed that I changed it by fighting the whole Department. Most people of Pakistani origin I came across in my life were respectful of their Hindu ancestry.  However, the story is different with Bengali Muslims.  They think, their ancestors came from some place in the Arabian land. 
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Not surprisingly, people who make this accusation against people like Ashutosh Mukherjee or Rabindranath Tagore did not answer my questions.
 
Q. A. Rahman has addressed some of the questions, with a declaration that he does not consider himself as an accuser. However, his answers and analyses were either plain wrong or typical of the two-nation theorist imbeciles.
 
Dr. Kamal Das has also made some comments. He reasoned that Muslims were not up to education, and were not expected to have a large share of teachers and students at Dhaka University during its early years.
 
Now let me make some comprehensive points.
 
Pakistan or not, if Hindus did not face the kind of discrimination, hatred, and barbaric atrocities that they did in East Bengal since 1947, if they did not leave East Bengal, the academic circle of any Bangladeshi university that would be worth calling "the Oxford of the East" would be dominated by Hindus over the Muslims even today. Let me give a few examples: 1) in my B. Sc. Honors class at the Dhaka University Chemistry Department, graduating in 1980, four students got the first class, and two of them were Hindus, 2) two years before us no one got the first class in Chemistry honors program from the university proper; only one student, a Hindu, got the first class from BM College in Barishal, 3) in our honors batch, the most distinguished scholar in the Science Faculty (the Kalinarayan Scholar) was a Hindu student from Physics. These are in spite of all the migration of mostly the elite class of Hindus from East Bengal beginning in 1947. The most sudden drop in the quality of Dhaka University was probably in 1947, when Hindu professors left en masse for India, and their void filled with unqualified and poorly qualified Muslims.
 
Of course, Pakistan was not in the horizon in 1921. Thus, the establishment of Dhaka University in reality had nothing to do with higher education for the Muslims; because the Muslims were not expected to be the principal components of the university. People who suggest that Rabindranath Tagore opposed the establishment of Dhaka University because he was anti-Muslim have a hateful objective of dissociating the greatest Bangalee poet from Bangladesh.
 
Now let me address a side point made by Q. A. Rahman. His point was that Pakistan was needed for breaking the Hindu domination in East Bengal. His argument was utterly foolish and hateful when he was indifferent to the fact of the migration of Hindus due to discrimination, hatred and barbaric atrocities in their home of centuries. He was essentially saying that it was OK for displacing the Hindus for giving the Muslims some privilege.
 
No, Muslims had to get themselves interested in real education in order to break the Hindu domination. Hatred can give a short-term gain, which Pakistan did for the Muslims. But look, for example, the elite of Bangladeshi Muslims who have a significant health problem go to India for treatment. Aren't those Hindu doctors in India saving the elite Muslims of Bangladesh?
 
Talking in terms of political domination, I do not think the Muslims needed Pakistan. Without Pakistan, Muslims would be dominating all of Bengal today; because democracy was inevitable, and because to be a voter one does not need to be very scholarly or rich. Of course, if that political domination was combined with the wisdom of promoting education, Muslims would have had their fair share of power in all respects in due course without the help of hatred.
 
I would advise people like Mr. Rahman to wake up for progress for all people, especially for the Muslims. Sprouting madrasahs in Bangladesh like wild mushrooms in dirty soil, and promoting hateful religious stupidity will not help the Muslims; real education in humanities, science and technology will.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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[mukto-mona] FW: Dr. Ali Alghamdy, a former Saudi diplomat wants impunity of the Jamat-i-Islami killers of Bangladesh



Subject: Dr. Ali Alghamdy, a former Saudi diplomat wants impunity of the Jamat-i-Islami killers of Bangladesh


The letter reveals the pressure tactic of a Saudi citizen to thwart war crime trial in Bangladesh. The author of the letter, a former Saudi diplomat wants the Islamist killer set free. He even did not mention if he wanted any inquiry of the murderous role of the Jamat-i-Islami mass murderers of Bangladesh:
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Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University



There were many instances during the liberation war, where Hindus took shelters in the Muslim households, and lived with them as Muslims. Those people switched their religious affiliation when Bangladesh was independent. Had there been no independent Bangladesh, they would have remained as Muslims forever. What are we going call those Muslim families? Were they communal? I don't know. They may not have any other options left but to convert them to keep them alive. Therefore, I am hesitat to call Dr. Khondkar a communal person.

 

Dr. Khondkar was anti-Indian for sure. There is nothing wrong in this sentiment, except that – Dr. Khondkar applied his anti-Indian sentiment on innocent captive Hindu students. He may have ruined many talented students' lives out of his resentment towards India. Therefore, he was a misguided anti-Indian person for sure, like millions of other Bangladeshis, who are still among us. These people should know better – they cannot punish India by punishing Hindus in Bangladesh. You cannot call this a 'nationalist' behavior, as Mr. Chakraborty did.  Can you?

 

Jiten Roy


 
--- On Mon, 6/4/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 6:36 PM

 
If M. H. Khundkar was actually 'against producing chemists for India', as Mr. Chakrabarty has phrased, I would not call that 'a great nationalist' even with a 'but ….'. I would not even ask, 'why did he take Hindu students at all?'
 
Of course, the phrase, 'against producing chemists for India', was really to mean "against producing Hindu chemists." As I wrote earlier, Khundkar should have known better; he should have known why the Hindus migrated to India; he should have known, acknowledged, and tried to mitigate the persecution that was going on against religious minorities in Pakistan. He had no right to deny any competent Hindu student of the country admission to the department, nor did he have the right to give undue grades based upon anyone's religious identity.
 
Unlike Mr. Chakrabarty, I would not overly praise Khundkar for an isolated decent human gesture. You support a hateful system, and then provide an isolated gesture of compassion; that does not earn much praise in my book. Khundkar was like a VVIP in Pakistan with no expressed support for Bangladesh that I am aware of. He was probably important enough to the pro-Pakistan thinkers. Thus, I doubt if he was a target of the Pakistani military, or if anyone was likely to probe into who was hiding in his house. I still would probably praise him mildly for saving an innocent human being in a most dreadful environment. I am also willing to learn, if I do not know enough, about his position toward the independence of Bangladesh.
 
'Inspiring and wonderful' to giving a First Class First position to a Hindu student; really! If we were to take unfair grading based upon prejudices as normal professorial behavior, then giving a First Class First position to a Hindu student would be 'inspiring and wonderful'. Is unfair grading based upon prejudices Mr. Chakrabarty's standard?
 
The First Class First position was not anyone's personal property to give away. A decent professor does not 'give grades', he/she grades all his/her students fairly. I would not praise any professor for 'giving grades'.
 
I share the frustration of Mr. Deeldar. I feel particularly frustrated about Bangladesh because of the recent trend of school teachers not teaching sincerely in the classroom. I feel so bad when a poor illiterate man from my village tells me that educating his children without private tutors is almost impossible!
 
I also agree with Dr. Roy and Mr. Deeldar on the points of brain drain and mediocrity breeding mediocrity.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Our memory fades. After 40 years it is hard to separate myths and facts from a mixture of these two. Let us assume that Dr. M. Khundakar, as the head of the department, was actually against producing chemists for India . Given the animosity between Pakistan and India , Khundakar was a great nationalist, but at the same time he was very poorly professional. Why did he take Hindu students at all? Once taken, how could he make a Hindu learn less and therby make him lesser of a chemist? During the Pakistani occupation period (March-Devcember 1971) he sheltered a brilliant Hindu student in his own home (Kamal-da might have been his classmate and hence may be able to reconfirm it). By doing this he risked his own life! Is it not intriguing that Khundakar was in the process of making a first-class-first Hindu chemist in the very Pakistan period in his own hands? Is it also not inspiring and wonderful? How a feat of professionalism be better? Is it not a wonderful piece of the untold history of our great liberation war and communal harmony as well? 
By the by I should mention from whom I heard about Dr. M. Khundakar's alleged unwillingness to produce chemists for India . He was Ganapati Haldar. He was another brilliant student and was my roommate for one year in the dorm when we were students of Dhaka college. He came of a poor family. He got involved in a politics that made him dream of changing the society. He got killed in the hands of the antiliberation forces.
 
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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "jnsr53@yahoo.com" <jnsr53@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Well, we deserve no better than mediocrity. The worms are already planted in the brains of students and teachers. Only few might be coming out right from the system with an open mind while the rest will paying some money to the middlemen and get some mundane jobs and will carry on living happily after. I think the battle is already lost. Good and fair teachers for Bangladeshis? Why and who cares? (Sorry for my sarcasm)
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
Very well said, Deeldar! 
Communality blurs one's vision to see the talent in the people belonging to a different community from theirs. This practice gives undue advantage to a preferred community over the others. Although the preferred community may gain from this practice in the short term, but the country will lose in the long run due to mediocrity, as you so justly said.  This practice encourages brain-drain, which causes irreparable damage to a country. Therefore, people who really love their county can never be communal.
You also said that talented people will always shine wherever they are. That's so true. I think communality anywhere in a country, especially in the academic institutions, is the highest form of betrayal to a country.
I taught Physics at Dhaka University for 3 years (1978 – 1981). While grading paper, my only thought used to be - if I was being fair to my students, nothing else. Never a thought of communal discrimination ever crossed through my mind during my academic tenure. I think - most of our teachers think that way also. Some Islamist-teachers may possess communality in Bangladesh . The same way, some Hindutyabadi-teachers in India  may possess communality. I believe - these are exceptional cases only. It will always be there.
Jiten Roy
 
 
--- On Fri, 6/1/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 1, 2012, 9:21 AM
 
"I won't be surprised if there was unwritten instruction to the department-Heads from the state authority in favor of communal discrimination."
Discrimination has been pretty rampant in schools/colleges/universities without any doubt. You can't do much about it unless strong individuals step in and do the right thing. Nobody can stop a bright student becoming whatever he or she wants to do in his/her life. But with persistent practice of discrimination, you create mediocrity in your academic institutions. The very brights will leave while mediocre students will stay and create more mediocre students. And, you can guess what happens next. If you add politics and religion into the equation, that would lower the quality even further and set the standard as garbage in garbage out mode! –SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
 
 
 
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