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Saturday, April 4, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] [Mukto-Mona Writers' Corner] 'Bangalee Muslims – by Washiqur Babu'



what a tragedy



On Saturday, 4 April 2015 8:43 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Thank you. Sorry to loose another sharper pen at such young age. These people need to stay alive and write. What would be the antidote against the butchers with meat-cleavers? Take a new name and never disclose to your friends and family?




On Friday, April 3, 2015 6:53 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
OK, here is the original that I got.
 
বাঙালি মুসলিমরা সবাই সহজ সরল ভাল মানুষ তারা সাম্প্রদায়িক না, মৌলবাদ লালন করেনা, ধর্মান্ধ না যেগুলো হয় সব সাম্রাজ্যবাদী মার্কিনীদের চক্রান্তে হয় অথবা ব্রিটিশ ডিভাইডস এন্ড রুলস নীতির কারনে তারা সহজ সরল মুসলিম বাঙালিকে ভুলিয়ে এসব কাজ করায় বাঙালি মুসলিম হচ্ছে শিশুর মতো সরল এদের কোন দোষ নেই, তেমনি গুনও নেই এরা ভাল মন্দ প্রভেদ করতে পারে না
তবে আপনি কখনোই তাদের সচেতনতা চাইতে পারবেন না, অন্ধ বিশ্বাস ভাঙতে পারবেন না তাহলে আপনি তাদের শত্রু হয়ে যাবেন আপনাকে তাদের শিশু হয়ে থাকতে দিতে হবে শিশুরা যেমন রাগ করে অনেক কিছু ভাঙে তারাও মাঝে মাঝে বিধর্মীদের ঘর বাড়ি পোড়াবে, নাস্তিকদের কতল করবে আপনি কিছু বলবেন না বা বললেও ব্যালেন্স করে বলতে হবে কারন আপনি মডারেট, সুশীল, বুদ্ধিজীবী
মা যেমন শিশুকে রসগোল্লার ভেতর টেবলেট পুরে খাওয়াতে চায় আপনাকেও তেমনি ইসলামের মোড়কে পুরে নৈতিকতা, মানবতা বাঙালি মুসলিমদের গেলানোর চেষ্টা করতে হবে শিশুর মত তারাও টেবলেট টুকু ফেলে দিয়ে শুধু ধর্মের রসগোল্লাটাই গিলবে বারবার তারপরও আপনাকে এই প্রক্রিয়াতেই যেতে হবে সব কিছুর ইসলামী ভার্সন বের করতে হবে ইসলামী সেক্যুলারিজম, ইসলামী ইতিহাস, ইসলামী নারীবাদ, ইসলামী বিজ্ঞান, ইসলামী বিবর্তন এরকমএরজন্য নিজেদেরও ঈমানের পরীক্ষা দিতে হবেমাথায় টুপি পড়তে হবে; প্রয়োজনে খৎনা দেখাতে হবেএভাবে গিলাতে গিয়ে মূল লক্ষ্যই বাদ পড়ে যাবেতারপরও ইসলাম থাকা চাইকোন ভাবেই বলা যাবে না অসাম্প্রদায়িকতার জন্যই সেক্যুলারিজম প্রয়োজন, নির্মোহ ভাবেই ইতিহাস জানা প্রয়োজন, মানুষ হিসেবেই নারীর সমতা প্রয়োজন, বিজ্ঞানমনস্ক হয়ে বিজ্ঞান জানা প্রয়োজনআমেরিকা চাইলেই কেন কিছু মানুষকে নিয়ে যা খুশি করাতে পারবে সেই প্রশ্ন তুলবেন নাসেসব বললেই আপনি নাস্তিক, মুরতাদ হয়ে যাবেনআপনাকে অবশ্যই ঈমানের পরীক্ষায় উত্তীর্ণ হতে হবে আগেএদের সুশিক্ষা দরকার নেই, বিজ্ঞান দরকার নেই, যুক্তি দরকার নেইএদের দরকার শুধু ইসলামইসলামের নামে যে কেউ এদের যা খুশি খাইয়ে দিতে পারে
বাঘ যখন শিকার করে তখন হায়েনা, শিয়াল, শকুন অপেক্ষায় থাকে কখন বাঘ আহার শেষ করবে যাতে তারা কাড়াকাড়ি করে উচ্ছিষ্টটুকু সাবাড় করতে পারে এদেশের মডারেট, সুশীল, বুদ্ধিজীবীরা হচ্ছে হায়েনা, শিয়াল, শকুনের দল তারা সর্বক্ষণ আমেরিকা নামক বাঘটার অপসারন কামনা করেযাতে নিজেরা মুসলিম নামক ভেড়াদের নিয়ে ইচ্ছেমতো খেলতে পারেতাই কেউ মুসলিমদের অন্ধবিশ্বাস, মূর্খতা ভাঙতে চাইলে তারা সহ্য করতে পারেনামূর্খ শিকার সচেতন হয়ে উঠলে তো রুটি রুজি, খ্যাতি সব ভেসে যাবে
#I_Am_Avijit
#WordsCannotBeKilled
 


On Thursday, April 2, 2015 6:19 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Thank you. I would love to read it in Bengali. A sharp and witty writer indeed!
 




On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:11 PM, "Mukto-Mona Writers' Corner charbak_bd@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mukto-Mona Writers' Corner has posted a new item, 'Bangalee Muslims – by
Washiqur Babu'

Bangalee Muslims are all simple and straight people. They are not communal (the
commonly used word for "sectarian" in the Indian subcontinent), do not care
for fundamentalism, and are not religiously blind. Whatever (bad) things happen
(to them), they happen due to the American conspiracies or the British
divide-and-rule policy. They (the Americans and the [...]

You may view the latest post at
https://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=3682

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Re: [mukto-mona] Where has all the tolerance gone



very informative



On Saturday, 28 March 2015 7:34 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
1. It is now clear that Mr. Mahfuzur Rahman's article has been thought provoking. Personally I have enjoyed the article. 

2. On the interior walls of a school one of my sons went to was written a slogan: Ours is a school of zero tolerance. No one should have any objection to such a slogan. The principle of zero tolerance should be applied whenever it comes to violations of rules, regulations and laws. Obviously appropriate authorities should enforce these. 

3. The spirits of Mr. Rahman's article do not apply to this kind of zero tolerance. It is about freedom of expression which should enjoy virtually infinite tolerance. Looks like this tolerance has been gradually running away from our society. 

4. The attack was on Daud Haider in early seventies. Then Taslima Nasrin became the victim. About a decade ago was attacked Humayun Azad. Recently we have seen two killings let alone innumerable death threats. The data point to the validity of Mr. Rahman's conjecture. The trend is there. 

5. How much one will tolerate is subjective. The cartoon of the prophet of Islam by a Christian cartoonist will not be tolerated by some and will be approved by others. The same argument applies to the paintings of Hindu goddess Saraswati and holy mythological figure Saraswati by a Muslim painter. 

6. I am not bringing up issues like gay rights and abortion as these are not related to freedom of expression. But I can bet even the Muktomonas will be divided on these issues. We see them as legal, moral and ethical issues. Moral and ethical judgments are subjective. 


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On Mar 25, 2015, at 9:14 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I am not clear as to what you are saying.




On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:47 PM, "'mahfuzur@aol.com' mahfuzur@aol.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 
"Intolerance, when done right [emphasis mine], is needed." What a brilliant idea! I am dazzled. It is only that I am flabbergasted too. Perhaps this is one of the ways brilliant minds sidetrack issues. 
 
Mahfuzur Rahman 
 
 
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To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 24, 2015 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Where has all the tolerance gone

 
Actually, it is a much bigger and more intractable problem than intolerance. The problem is lack of education, lack of development of human minds. When I say education, I mean ability of reasoning, not academic degrees. In fact, when the mind is a zombie that follows instructions from religious books, the human common sense and intelligence are gone, the ability to think is nowhere to be found; and nothing can be on the way of following the imaginary God's words. Barbaric intolerance is only a corollary to that bondage of human minds.
 
I do not think it is appropriate for anyone to think that they tolerated humanists like Dr. Avijit Roy. Rational thoughts are for learning from, for developing human minds. We tolerate faults that are not very harmful; and humanism is not a fault by any means. It is for all kinds of humans, including the Muslims, to live in a just and peaceful world.
 
In fact, intolerance, when done right, is needed. For example I am fine with any force that would be totally intolerant of the bribe culture in places like Bangladesh.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Monday, March 23, 2015 6:07 PM, "'mahfuzur@aol.com' mahfuzur@aol.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
My apologies to you all. Here is (I hope) the correct link to the article in The Daily Star, March 16, 2015.
 
 
 
                                         http://www.thedailystar.net/op-ed/politics/where-has-the-tolerance-gone-71746
 
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] আল্লার সত্যতা যাচাই



the aim of these people is always bad



On Saturday, 4 April 2015 9:55 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Middle-east is close to the cliff. Recent sermon by the Grand Mufti of Mecca declared fight to the end against Shia sect. It did not stop there; fight will continue after that against other religious sects, until the world is under the domination of Sunnis. This is the manifesto of the ISIS also.
Under the circumstances, Iran is hell-bent on acquiring nuclear bomb, and it appears that America will enable them to get it.
The problem with the Mullah politics in Iran is that - they have been fighting wrong battle all along. There is no need for them to fight the West and the Israel; these are least of their problems. ISIS has already demolished many famous ancient Shia-mosques in Iraq, so anything can happen there.
Jiten Roy

 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] আল্লার সত্যতা যাচাই

 
Do unto others what you expect to be done to you, said Jesus Christ. If the followers of Islam could wipe off faith centers of other religions, what better do they deserve? What Abhisek wrote was not off the list of neoconservatives who brought Saddam Hussain down. There is no reason to believe that it would not happen in future.

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On Apr 2, 2015, at 11:14 AM, arijit biswas arijit_biswas@hotmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Abhishek dada....if you can't contribute anything like me..please keep quiet. Don't write stinking crap.
 

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From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 23:57:18 +0530
Subject: [mukto-mona] আল্লার সত্যতা যাচাই



আল্লা আছেন কিনা আমরা তা পরীক্ষা করে দেখতে পারি
মুসলমানরা প্রতারিত হচ্ছেন কিনা - মুহাম্মদ সত্যি কিনা - তাও - পরীক্ষা করতে পারি। প্রযুক্তি আছে।
একটা বোমা ফেলানো হবে - বিধর্মীদের কাছ থেকে কেড়ে নেওয়া - নবীজির সাধের কাবাঘরের উপর। মক্কায়।
যদি দেখা যায় - কাবাঘর ধুলিস্যাৎ হয় নি ..... 
"আল্লা আবাবিল পাখি পাঠিয়ে কাবাকে অক্ষত রেখেছেন। "[কুরানঃ সুরা ফীল]।
যদি মুসলমানদের বিশ্বাস ও কেবলাহর মর্য্যাদা তিঁনি রক্ষা করেন ....... যদি আল্লা তাঁর কথা রাখেন - "কাবাঘর কেয়ামত পর্য্যন্ত অক্ষত থাকবে" - বুঝব - আল্লা আছেন।
আর যদি বোমার আঘাতে কাবাঘর নিশ্চিহ্ন হয়ে যায় - দুঃখ বা ভয়ের কিছু নাই - আমরা নতুন - অনুরূপ - একটা কাবাঘর মুসলমানদের জন্য তৈরী করে দেব।
এ সামান্য ঈমানের পরীক্ষায় যদি আপনার বুক কাঁপে - 
আপনি মুসলমান না।








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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Can Avijit's killers be nabbed finally?



Once in the land of the infidels, they lose no time to adopt infidel names. So fragile is their faith!

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 4:41 AM, Shah DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Great news! The mofos are about to be caught unless they flee to infidel country like India for shelter. Hang 'Em high!

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
It is about time to get these cannibals behind the bars before they go for another easy and brave victim.



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Re: [mukto-mona] On Mowlana Bhasani again



I have to collect the book and then read. Why don't you help us by saying exactly what Tariq Ali said on Bhasani? 

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On Apr 4, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Read "Clash of Fundamentalisms" by him thoroughly.

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On Apr 4, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have read some of Tariq Ali's writings. He has emphatically recognized Bhasani's contribution. I don't know where he has done otherwise. Can some one please share on this with us? 
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On Apr 2, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This fiction published by the Bhasani Foundation, is partially available on the net. It is written by a bunch of reactionaries. To get a better idea on him, one may read "Clash of Cultures" by Tariq Ali.

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On Apr 2, 2015, at 5:45 PM, 'Sankar Kumar Ray' sankarray62@rediffmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have heard about a collection of articles on   Mowlana Bhasani, from New York.in 2012

Moulana Bhashani. Leader of the Toiling Masses:Anthology on Bangladesh's legendary Sufi sage and firebrand politician ( ed Peter Custers), but looking at the contents, it seems to be an anthology in praising Bhashani.

The publisher's note states,"A true humanist of his time, for most of his adult life, Moulana Bhashani was a Sufi Pir (sage) as well as a political leader. A Sufi Pir, he preached - and practiced - religious tolerance and egalitarianism. A secular politician, he fought for social justice, inclusion and democratic rights.Moulana Bhashani viewed society through a class lens - the oppressed and the oppressors - regardless of their religion, caste or ethnicity. With rising religious intolerance and socio-economic inequities, the world is sorely in need of a principled leader the likes of Moulana Bhashani.

This volume traces the many facets of Moulana Bhashani's political career and religious philosophies, with contributions by leading researchers, political followers and journalists familiar with his life. In addition to discovering the extraordinary life of the Moulana, the authors also provide an excellent exposition of the socio-economic and political situations of Assam, Bengal and East Pakistan, as well as of Bangladesh during the first few years of its independence."

Contents:

Introduction: The World needs the likes of Moulana Bhashani (by Anisuzzaman Chowdhury)

 

Searching for Bhashani: The man and his religio-political philosophies (by Abid Bahar

 

Bhashani's ever-oppositional democratic spirit (by Nurul Kabir)

 

Moulana Bhashani: Historical and contemporary significance (by Peter Custers)

 

Moulana Bhashani: A prophet of equality and peace (by Md. Mahbub ul Alam)

 

Moulana Bhashani: An ideal for a politician (by M. Inamul Haque)

 

Moulana Bhashani's resistence against the infamous Line System and 'Bangal Khedao' movement in Assam (by M. Waheeduzzaman Manik)

 

A missing dream of Moulana Bhashani (by Moinuddin Naser)

 

Moulana Bhashani's opposition politics: Style defining substance (by Abid Bahar)

 

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