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Wednesday, April 25, 2012

[ALOCHONA] Re: Bidyut nai, pani nai....




http://jugantor.us/enews/issue/2012/04/26/news0972.htm


http://amardeshonline.com/pages/details/2012/04/26/142430

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Isha Khan <bdmailer@gmail.com> wrote:
Bidyut nai, pani nai....






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[ALOCHONA] Inevitability or a tragedy?



Inevitability or a tragedy?

Inam Ahmed

It is not so much an inevitability as a tragedy. A government that came to power with a landslide unseen since 1973, suddenly looks weak and waned. But then it is not so much a tragedy as an inevitable pitfall of a brute majority.

In the last one year, the government has been beset by event after event, most of which were avoidable. But why they were not avoided, people are short on answers, and now the whole political scene is misting over.

When this debilitation began is a long story. Some may say it started with the unleashing of the law enforcing agencies, especially Rab. The shooting of an innocent student, Limon, to make him a cripple, was so appalling that the whole country rose up in uproar. Only the home ministry and the ruling Awami League defended the act.

Another student, Kadar, was made near crippled in police torture and efforts were made to frame him as a robber. Once again, the government showed its most nonchalant mien to the event.Both of them were later found innocent.

These and many other actions of the law enforcing agencies produced no hope in the people. Extrajudicial killings were by then taken as something for granted.

And people also took it up to themselves to solve problems. They could beat six students to death. They could barricade roads, smash cars, burn tyres, and pelt stones until a government with both vision and hearing impairment would wake up to what was happening, and cancel an airport project or an army housing scheme.

Then the roads crumbled. The media was awash with pictures of potholed roads. Only the then communications minister, Syed Abul Hossain, found no fault.

And then the judgment was passed abolishing the caretaker government, to the surprise of many, with an option to continue the system for two more terms. The judgment created a deep confusion as the caretaker government was declared illegal, and at the same time it was suggested that the system continue for up to two more elections. But then the prime minister chose a sudden death for the process tested to yield trustworthy elections. The demise of the system came as a shocker for all, as it was the Awami League which actually had fought tooth and nail for it with non-stop agitation, and finally succeeded to push it down the gullet of the nation.

Now the country is still in an uncertainty as to how will the BNP be coaxed into the next election without a caretaker government and under the AL government.

Things also kept happening on the economic front, and much of the blame for the mess-up must fall on the government's shoulder. The capital market scam for one. Repeated warnings of a market heat-up fell on deaf ears, and the inevitable crash followed. The probe into the scam was sent into oblivion.

The economy came under strain from other sides as well. Excessive borrowing, intense pressure on reserves, high expenditure, and high inflation -- all recipe for public discontent.

The Padma Bridge saga left the people confused and frustrated. Fingers were pointed at the communications minister for an alleged corruption, and yet the issue remained unresolved. The World Bank repeatedly said it had provided information on corruption, which the government denied.

All this put the government on a rickety platform. Then the recent spate of events started happening. The Suranjit Sengupta story rocked the country. Never in the history of the country, such a blatant example of corruption had been revealed in such a dramatic way. The government's action of keeping Suranjit as a minister against the people's popular perception looked like committing hara-kiri.

And then the Ilias Ali disappearance riddle appeared as a great Houdini show. Rising from the bottom of the pile, the BNP immediately swept up a popular support to wage a violent movement that is now causing great concern, both political and economic.

The conclusion of this tapestry of events now looks unappetising. Everyone is waiting to see how the Houdini riddle is solved and at what cost. Cost is all this country has been counting with a fast depleting political account.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=231724

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[ALOCHONA] Tajuddin-Indira pact



Re: Tajuddin Indira Pact by Debasish Barua, USA, in response to Declaration of Independence: The Controversy Continues by Obaid Chowdhury, USA

Obaid Chowdhury
alaldulal@aol.com
 
 

Dear Mr. Barua,

Thanks for reading my article 'Declaration of Independence: The Controversy Continues.'
 
Tajuddin-Indira pact was a passing reference in the article. I am glad that it caught your attention, even though you seem have missed the main subject. For your benefit, here are the seven salient points of the Tajuddin-Indira Agreement:
 
1. Bangladesh will have a para-military force to be organized, equipped and supervised by India.

2. Bangladesh will procure all its military requirements from India. 

3. Bangladesh's foreign trade will be controlled by India.

4. Bangladesh's development plans shall be approved by India.

5. Bangladesh's foreign relations shall be guided by India.

6. Bangladesh cannot rescind any part of these agreements without prior approval of India.

7. Indian force shall enter into Bangladesh at any time to crush any resistance or uprising.
 
I do not think they need further explanation.

Mr. Barua, I am not aware how old you were in 1971 and your role in our liberation war. If you are in your 50s or below, it is not expected for you to know or remember what really happened during those days. (I happened to be a small-time freedom fighter and knew some hard facts). If your knowledge of our war and the history of the subcontinent are from reading books, it depended on what books and from which angle you read them. There are much more than what catches the eye. One needs to dig deeper for truth.
 
A highly knowledgeable friend of mine always says, "We fought for independence for one reason (such as we could no longer stay with Pakistan). But India helped us---rather fought its own war with Pakistan---for a totally different reason." In Indira Gandhi's own words, it was for the 'hazaar salon ka badla'. I suppose you are intelligent enough to understand what that badla meant.  
 
Maulan Bhasani once said, "It is India who should be grateful to Bangladesh, not the other way round." He was referring to the huge benefit India gained through the independence of Bangladesh. The breakup of Pakistan and the prospect of making the new country another Sikkim, were just two. The loot of sophisticated huge armaments left by 5 plus Pakistan Army Divisions was another. Major Jalil, 9 Sector Commander, was put on Court Martial because he tried to stop the Indian loot. We have lately seen the use of Bangladesh as corridor to reach India's inaccessible Seven Sisters. 
 
Nonetheless, we are grateful to India for providing sanctuary and material support in our war. At the same time, we know what cost we had to pay for that. Indira Gandhi's hazaar salon ka badla was not possible without the help of the Mukti Bahini, which fought for 9 months, lost 3 million people---according to Sheikh Mujibur Rahman who did not see the war---with colossal collateral damages. When the defeat of the enemy was imminent, India joined the war on December 4, 1971 just to accept the Pakistani surrender in less than two weeks, sidetracking the Mukti Bahini. The helicopter carrying Mukti  Bahini commander Colonel Osmani was shot and disabled over Sylhet so that he could not join the surrender ceremony.
 
When India entered the war in its eastern sector, Niazi's forces had already lost the fighting capability with no air power. It might have hastened the surrender but the Mukti Bahini lost an edge. The freedom fighters failed to put the Pakistanis to rout, to an utter defeat at their hands. In fact, India saved Pakistanis, not the Bengalis by entering the war in Bangladesh. India's recognition of Bangladesh on December 6 was a de facto arrangement.
 
India's love for Bangladesh is evident from the above 7 points! We have been through more intense love affairs since. The 7 points were expanded into a 25-Year Secret Agreement, according to some subjugation, between Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and Indira Gandhi. Farrakka barrage has rendered one-third of Bangladesh into semi deserts with far reaching economic and ecological consequences. Tipaimukh is another similar contraption against Bangladesh and the present Hasina government is gleefully accepting it, as her father Sheikh Mujib did for Farrakka in 1974. The wire fencing, the daily Felani brutality, the seizure of South Talpatti, no water in Teesta, the availing of corridor through Bangladesh almost free, the flooding Bangladesh with phensedyls and other harmful drugs, the Swadhin Bangabhumi, the tribal insurgency in Hill Tracts---do I need to mention more?  
 
Obaid Chowdhury
New York, USA
April 25, 2012

From: Abid Bahar
abid.bahar@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Tajuddin Ahmad's seven-point agreement with Indira Gandhi

Abid Bahar

True, "Indian rulers did not want a fully independent and sovereign Bangladesh, but a client state under its hegemony, from the very beginning was made clear in a less publicized seven-point document which Mr. Tajuddin Ahmad, the prime minister of the Bangladesh government-in-exile in India in 1971, was obliged to sign as a condition for India's direct military campaign in Bangladesh accelerate the defeat and surrender of the Pakistani occupation forces and to install a puppet government in power."(1)

The seven-point document reads as follows [2]:

"(1) A para-military armed force for Bangladesh will be raised under supervision of the Indian military experts; this force shall be stronger and more active than the regular armed forces of Bangladesh .
(2) Bangladesh shall procure all military equipment from India and under planned supervision of the Indian military experts.
(3) Bangladesh shall direct her foreign trade under supervision and control of the Indian government.
(4) Yearly and five-yearly development plans for Bangladesh shall conform to Indian development plans.
(5) Foreign policy of Bangladesh must be compatible with and conform to that of India .
(6) Bangladesh shall not unilaterally rescind any of the treaties without prior approval of the Indian government.
(7) In accordance with the treaties signed before December (1971) war of Pakistan and India , Indian force shall enter into Bangladesjh at any time and shall crush any resistance that may erupt there."

Afsan Chowdhury, wrote: "Indira didn't have enough confidence in Mujibnagar ( led by Tajuddin) and set up the Bangladesh Liberation Army, Mujibbahini as it was popularly known. It was drawn up of students and youth activists led by one Gen. Ovan, a man who later supervised the raising of the Rakkhi Bahini in Bangladesh. This was done without the knowledge of Tajuddin Ahmed and his allies and many deeply resented it but Indira was buying insurance against the not so dependable allies of 1971. And to her it was India's war and not anyone else's.(3) This shows that Indra Gandhi set forth the foundations of Indian hegemony with Bangladesh.

Alam Mahmud wrote in reaction to people bowing to India and to Indra Gandhi as"the demigod."(4) He says: "History should be assessed with facts not with emotions. We are affected by emotions. Its not honoring the friend rather bowing to the demigod. To me, Bangladesh is a by product of Indo-Pak rivalry which were magnified by the atrocities of hot-headed generals of Pakistan. General DK Palit, a veteran Indian military thinker, stated about 1971 war that the war was over before the battles were won. Indians didn't win the battles but won the war. If you go through world famous military events of that time, the liberation war of Bangladesh has no space but the Indo-Pak war bears the importance. Its their interest to disintegrate Pakistan.

They intervened and we are lucky to get a new nation. What Sheikh Mujib wanted is still a mystery. We must celebrate friends but not at the cost of our own existence. Bangladesh could have been an independent state in 1947. Had there been a dominant leadership at that time? ... I think the romance of 1971 is no more relevant today. There are changes in people's mind as well. It will be better to select a middle path to deal with India."

As for Tajuddin, his glorious role in the liberation war must be celebrated but like his master Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib, he was also involved in forgiving corrupted AL goons/ smugglers, one among them was a godfather in Chittagong called Man-serumia who was captured by the Customs in Chittagong but was released by Tajuddin perhaps at the instruction of Bangabandhu Mujib himself. Tajuddin personally visited the custom's office the next day to drop the case entirely. There must be more mystery surrounding behind Tajuddin's sacrifices and betrayals, his rise and fall and his place in 'the proverbial dustbin of history.

ENDNOTES

[1] K M A Malik, The Sugar-coated Poison India"s offer of 'help' to restructure BDR
(2) Oli Ahad, Jatio Rajniti (1945 to 1975), 2nd Ed. , Bangladesh Cooperative Book Society, Dhaka , p. 450. (Cardiff , April 4, 2009)
(3)Afsan Chowdhury,
http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2011/07/25/bangladesh-honours-indira-gandhi%E2%80%99s-1971-war/Afsan Chowdhury,
(4) Indira Gandhi . . . in our collective memory, http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=195763



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[ALOCHONA] President's Pardoning Fugitive: It's misuse of power



President's Pardoning Fugitive: It's misuse of power

HC observes in judgement of a case during Biswas' tenure; that mercy made ineffective

It would be a misuse of power and an arbitrary decision from the viewpoint of the rule of law if the president pardons a fugitive accused, the High Court observed yesterday.

The court made the observations while delivering a verdict in a case challenging a 1993 presidential clemency granted to one Sarwar Kamal, who was then on the run.Citing examples of various cases, the HC also said it had the jurisdiction to examine whether the president had misused his constitutional power.

Kamal was one of the three convicts in a case filed for beating a man to death. The case was filed with Teknaf Police Station in Cox's Bazar on July 25, 1981.In July 1989, the trial court sentenced each of the three to 10 years' imprisonment.But following an appeal against the verdict, the HC on August 28, 1991 granted Kamal bail till disposal of the appeal petition. Subsequently, he was freed from jail.However, in September 1992 the HC in its judgement on the appeal sentenced Kamal to eight years' imprisonment and ordered him to surrender before the trial court.

In the meantime Kamal's wife submitted a mercy petition in 1991 to the then president Abdur Rahman Biswas, who using his constitutional power pardoned Kamal on April 12, 1993.After receiving the documents of the 1992 High Court judgement on the murder case, the trial court on June 30, 1997 issued an arrest warrant for Kamal.
Not surrendering, Kamal challenged the arrest order in the HC. After a brief hearing, the HC stayed the warrant and issued a rule against it.

Fifteen years after the petition against the warrant, the HC bench of Justice M Enayetur Rahim and Justice Sheikh Md Zakir Hossain dismissed it yesterday.Giving the judgement, the High Court ordered Kamal to surrender before the trial court in Cox's Bazar within six weeks.The court also observed that any presidential order to pardon a fugitive accused is against the rule of law and justice.

It may be mentioned that article 49 of the constitution empowers the president to pardon an accused or a convict."The president shall have power to grant pardons, reprieves and respites and to remit, suspend or commute any sentence passed by any court, tribunal or other authority," the article says.

But the HC yesterday said the then president's decision of granting mercy to Kamal was vitiated and it contradicts the law.

The court also ordered to take departmental action against the officials and employees responsible for not informing the trial court about the 1992 High Court judgement that had upheld the conviction of Kamal and directed him to surrender before the trial court.

Instead of complying with the earlier High Court order, the accused person had obtained clemency from the president through concealing information, the HC said.

When a court issues an arrest warrant for a person or starts the process in this regard, the accused person must surrender before the court if he wants to defend himself, the bench observed.An accused would not have the right to any remedy unless he surrenders before the court, it added.Advocate SM Zafar Sadiq moved the case for Kamal while Assistant Attorney General Gazi Md Mamunur Rashid represented the government.

RECENT CLEMENCY
In 2009, the incumbent President Zillur Rahman granted mercy to Shahadab Akbar, son of deputy leader in parliament Syeda Sajeda Chowdhury, who did not surrender before the court. Shahadab was sentenced to 18 years' imprisonment and fined Tk 1.6 crore in absentia in four cases filed by the Anti-Corruption Commission and the National Board of Revenue during the last caretaker government rule. After securing the mercy, Shahadab in late November that year claimed he had never been a fugitive, and that he was hiding intentionally.

In another case in connection with the killing of Natore Jubo Dal leader Sabbir Ahmed Gama, the president in late 2010 pardoned 20 death row convicts.One of the condemned killers in this case was not pardoned as he was on the run.

In yet another example, Zillur Rahman early this year granted clemency to convicted killer AHM Biplob, son of ruling Awami League leader Abu Taher.Biplob, however, is still in jail in connection with other cases against him.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=231719



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Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: a video: "HINDU BASHING IN PAKISTANI SCHOOL BOOKS"



I am confused by quite a few postings recently in Mukto-Mona, especially by Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty and Dr. Jiten Roy. Look at Dr. Roy's comments below.
 
Here, he wrote, "Religion is not the cause of communality." However, only a few days back (April 21, 2012) in the thread "Religion & Communalism, he wrote, "Therefore, religions are at the very core of communalism."
 
In the posting below, he thanked Mr. Q. A. Rahman. Is it for Mr. Rahman's regret that the Pakistani politicians were not smart enough to have a bigger Islamic haven in the subcontinent? Just read Mr. Rahman's posting below a little carefully. He did not criticize the Pakistani leaders for any other faults.
 
Mr. Rahman expressed his opposition to "faith based bashing." Well, looks like the Maharani of Tripura was as stupid as Jogen Mandal for the Namashudras and Tridib Roy for the Jumma people. Aren't she and her people lucky? If her wish of 1947 came true, today some non-Muslims intellectuals of Tripura would be exchanging these academic talks with Muslims like Mr. Rahman, just like what Dr. Roy, Mr. Chakrabarty and I are doing. But the people of Tripura would be as sorry as the Hindus and the Jumma people of Bangladesh/Pakistan due to real "faith based bashing."
 
I do not think a two-nation theorist can be a real challenger of "faith based bashing."
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: a video: "HINDU BASHING IN PAKISTANI SCHOOL BOOKS"
 
Thank you. Let me say this. Communalism is a different entity from religion. Religion is not the cause of communality. It's the victim of communality. People exploit religion to foment communality. Those who follow religion correctly are not communal. It's the borderline religious people, many of who has propensity to become communal for their own self-interest.
I my youth, we used to play soccer and volleyball with the Moulavi-teacher of our Primary School; he was our buddy. Also, Moulavi-teacher of our high school was my school-hostel super. He was a very strict religious man, but - used to love me like his sons. He used to guide me like my parents. I have written articles about him in Mukto-mona, and elsewhere before.
I believe - the trouble is with those who are borderline religious. They do not hesitate to use religion to foment hatred to achieve their political or self interest. Truly religious people will not dare to do so. 
Mostly, communality has been a tool for political leaders to achieve their goals. In case of Pakistan, it was the military rulers, who found this tool to bring majority population under their control at the expense of religious minority, in this case Hindus. Those military rulers were not religious, but used to act like one in public. There are other batch of people also, who would show their ultra religiosity outside only to exploit religion. These are dangerous people.
This is the truth – religion can exist without communality, but communality cannot exist without religion.
Jiten Roy
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--- On Tue, 4/24/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: a video: "HINDU BASHING IN PAKISTANI SCHOOL BOOKS"
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 3:50 AM

 
While I agree with most of what you said about "Pakistani politics", I think many Indian politicians are "Play" with religion frequently. Even today Muslim bashing goes on unabated when the time is right. Frequent riots in India says a lot about the problem in "Modern India". The major difference in early India and Pakistan was India was blessed with Gandhi (Nehru, Indira, Rajiv etc) family and Pakistan did not have such seasoned leadership. In reality many Muslims also suffered for lack of good leadership in Pakistan. The "Maharani of Tripura" wanted to join the then East Pakistan and patiently waited almost two years to get some invitations (Around that time India swallowed Hyderabad and Kashmir with VERY different excuses) but our leaders back in Pakistan did not have the skills required to show statesmanship with people of Tripura. Specifically leaders of Bengali origin (Mostly Muslims) were pathetic in negotiations and lost (To newly founded India) more of "Undivided Bengal" and Pakistani Punjab gained more land as a result.  Murshidabad was a Muslim majority state but somehow it stayed with India, defying all logic!! We can certainly criticize and "Bash" criminals but harassing people for their religion is unacceptable. Those of us blessed with some education have to stand united against all faith based bashing. It does not diminish anything from any faiths but exposes ignorants and cowards among us. Shalom!
 
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-----Original Message-----From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:27 amSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: a video: "HINDU BASHING IN PAKISTANI SCHOOL BOOKS"
 
Let me ask, once again, why some people become successful, while others aren't? The only reason is - some people can envision the real solution/problem directly, while others run around bushes. This is the basic principle that works in every field.
 
As a result, many people can't envision the real problem Hindu-bashing in Pakistan, which, as a matter of fact, did not start with Ziaul Haque or American policy in the region. Tarek Fatah can conclude whatever he wants, but it really started from the birth of Pakistan. They have been spreading the poison of Hindu-bashing from the onset of Pakistan. This is how they could keep people on both sides separated for that long. Without Hindu-bashing, people would have revolted for reunification by now, like East and West Germany.
 
India did not need such poisoning, as they were expecting possibility of reunification from the very beginning. Popular belief was - Pakistan would not survive for long. But, it did - through mind-poisoning with Hindu-bashing.
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Mon, 4/23/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: a video: "HINDU BASHING IN PAKISTANI SCHOOL BOOKS"
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 23, 2012, 9:27 PM

 
Well, Tarek Fatah's thesis is dead wrong; an over simplification by just blaming one dictator. Without honestly identifying the real problem of anti-Hindu and anti-non-Muslim socio-political culture of Pakistan, no real solution could come; does not matter who Tarek Fatah may be.
 
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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: a video: "HINDU BASHING IN PAKISTANI SCHOOL BOOKS"
 
I simply made a comment on 2-minute speech by Tarek Fatah. I still believe that Tarek Fatah is generally right. Please listen to the speech and re-read my post. You have gone beyond what Fatah is emphasizing on. I do not think neither Fatah nor I will disagree with you on the communal and anti-Indian politics of the Pakistani rulers. But using text books to antagonize the innocent minds against Hindus started with Ziaul Huque--that is Fatah's thesis. Do not overreact without understanding the point. Sent from my iPhone
 
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On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
As I wrote before, blaming America is an easy, cheap and irresponsible way of shifting the culpability from where it really belongs; in this case, Pakistan itself. Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty's assessment below is seriously flawed.
 
In a school textbook in the 1960s, in the then East Pakistan, there was a story where a cow wanted to be sacrificed for Allah in order to go to heaven. In my tender mind, I wondered, how hateful, cow is like a god to the Hindus, yet this is in the textbook that all children have to read! In another history narrative in a textbook, occupation and plundering of the Somnath Temple by Muslim invaders were described as Somnath Bijoy (winning of Somnath). Do these sound like American foreign policy in Afghanistan?
 
I would like to ask people like Mr. Chakrabarty to search their memory for facts like the following:
 
1)       The resignation of Jogen Mandal in 1950 from the position of Minister of Law, Justice and Labor in Liaquat Ali Khan's cabinet due to atrocities on Hindus in East Bengal. The government of Pakistan was hostile to religious minorities, not eager to uphold their rights – forcing Mr. Mandal to take a permanent shelter in India.
2)       The colossal scale atrocities on Hindus in Pakistan in 1965, during a war with India.
3)       The regular military of Pakistan killing Hindus, irrespective of political affiliations, in 1971.
 
Ayub Khan was the dictator of Pakistan from 1958 to 1969. It would be foolish to suggest that he had nothing to do with the 1965 atrocities, or with the mindset of the Pakistani military that methodically killed innocent and non-violent Hindus in 1971. It would be absurd to think that the character of Zia-ul-Haq sprouted out all of a sudden like a weed from a civilized/innocent Pakistan.
 
FYI: Jogen Mandal's Resignation Letter, if the hyperlink above does not work: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Resignation_letter_of_Jogendra_Nath_Mandal
 
Mr. Chakrabarty really needs to do some reading, recalling his memory, and thinking, before making the kind of comments that he made below. If we can not speak truthfully and honestly, let us keep silent, let us just enjoy our life away from talking in the public forums.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: a video: "HINDU BASHING IN PAKISTANI SCHOOL BOOKS"
 
Although only about a 2-mimute-long video, it is pretty informative and enlightening. I was a school student in a Pakistani (eastern wing) school in sixties and so was Tarek Fatah. In the Bengali anthologies that we had to read, there was nothing anti-hindu or anti-Christian. We had great pieces from all great Hindu writers including Bankim. [When the nationalist movement was crystallizing in the eastern wing, Monem Khan became worried and requested Abdul Hye to write Rabindra-sangeet although the selections in the anthologies remain unchanged.] Looks like it was a similar case in West Pakistan also. From the short but incomplete speech, one can find that every thing started with Ziaul Huque and Talibanization of Afghanistan. I will say that this has been one of the evil and harmful spill over effects of the foreign policy of America in Afghanistan. One may argue that cold war is the root cause. Thus communalism was bolstered in Pakistan indirectly because of the American foreign policy.
 
At this time it may be politically incorrect to say that Ayub Khan and his cabinet members were not fanatic Muslims like Ziaul Huque. As a matter fact in spirits they were pretty modern in their life style. Ayub Khan was found swimming with Christian Killer in a swimming pool! Mowdudi was given death sentence during his tenure for instigating riots against the Ahmediyas. For the first several years after birth, Pakistan was going through chaotic situation. Ayub Khan emerged as the "savior" of the politically unstable Pakistan, and with the dictatorial rule brought stability in the polititical arena of Pakistan for a while. He understood the then global politics in his own way and chose to be blessed by the Washington-Peking axis and as such resorted to anti-India policy to gather strength and thereby consolidate his position both internally and externally (SEATO-CENTO). He was too much a Panjabi and neglected East Pakistan (although it was a great source of the national earnings) and the other regions. He resorted to the policy of family planning and was greatly opposed by Jamaat and some other so called Islam-pasand political parties.    
 
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: a video: "HINDU BASHING IN PAKISTANI SCHOOL BOOKS"
 
 
Listen to another piece of video about Hindus bashing in the school curriculum of Pakistan:
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Bengali culture and Islam



"Finally, I do not wish to be known as Sufi, Shia, Sunni or Ahmedi etc. The only label of being "Muslim" is sufficient to me. I am not a fan of putting people in different sects or putting myself into any sect other than "Muslim"."---Q. Rahman.
-----Your broadness of mind is highly appreciated.
 
"ALL Muslims have to practice the fundamentals of faith (AKA pillars of faiths) to be considered as "Muslims"."----Q. Rahman
-----I notice that you have put the word "Muslims" within inverted commas. As far as I know there is no unanimity on this. I will prefer freedom so that no believer in any faith  feels left out. Do you have further comments on it?
 
" (The prophet) Only fought/punished those who wanted to wipe out Muslims from the face of the earth (Or committed treason with young Muslim community at Media)."----Q. Rahman
-----It is understandable that any community has the duty to counterattack the enemy if there is a physical attack on the community itself or its valued faith. But what about engaging in healthy and sound debates with the rivals or opponents of Islam? What were the preachings and practices of the prophet in this regard?  
  
Regards
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bengali culture and Islam [1 Attachment]
 
Are you a fan of Sufism? 


>>>>>>> Again, I have to give you another "Explanation" to answer your question. :-)

Sufism is not a different religion from Islam.


Generally speaking, a true Sufi would follow all fundamentals of Islam (Faith, Namaz, Fasting, Hajj and Zakat) and they FOCUS on spirituality. Followers of other methods are known to focus more on rituals than spirituality. However without practicing and embracing fundamentals of Islam, no one can claim to be "Authentic Muslim". I stress on this fact because today many Muslims feel just having faith is enough but they do not have to follow any rituals at all. There are "Obligatory" rituals and voluntary rituals. ALL Muslims have to practice the fundamentals of faith (AKA pillars of faiths) to be considered as "Muslims".

Typically Sufi method practice all fundamentals and focus on meditations, helping communities etc.

Now we have some Muslims who claim to be "Sufis" not Muslims and I doubt if they are either (Allah knows best!).

Going back to your question. I enjoy many aspects of Sufi tradition. I like their ideas to keep our hearts pure, I like ideas about being open to people of all faith, I like ideas about do service to different communities for the sake to please Allah (SWT). It was the primarily Sufis who brought Islam to Indian Sub-continent. The Muslim kings (Most of them) were busy being "King/emperor" of India more than "Representing/introducing" Islam to Indian people.


In addition of having "Fear of Allah", the Sufis also know Allah (SWT) loves us very much. I love this part of Sufi/Islamic ideology.

Having said that, SOME Sufi followers glorify their "Teachers" more than what Islam teaches us. Some of them do "Business" with mazars making "UnIslamic" promises to ignorant Muslims. I do not like those who "Trade" Islam for worldly benefit. Islamic teachings are too precious, holy and beautiful to be traded for money!! (My opinion).


There are many Muslims who focus too much on rituals and ignore spirituality. That is another extreme.

My understanding of Islam is it is a religion of middle path. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was known to be easy going and fair to ALL people (Muslims and non-Muslims). He forgave all of his personal enemies of his life. Only fought/punished those who wanted to wipe out Muslims from the face of the earth (Or committed treason with young Muslim community at Media). Therefore, I can go closest to the "Spirit/heart" of Islam if I can embrace both rituals and spirituality. So I enjoy picking the best of all ideologies as long practices and backed by the Qur'an and Sunnah of the noble prophet (PBUH).

If you crave for a much simpler answer, I'll say any Islamic rituals that takes anyone closer to Allah (SWT), I like them as Islamic.

Finally, I do not wish to be known as Sufi, Shia, Sunni or Ahmedi etc. The only label of being "Muslim" is sufficient to me. I am not a fan of putting people in different sects or putting myself into any sect other than "Muslim".

 

I am a little curious as you have with earnest passion quoted from the Vedas.

>>>>>>>>> It is a hobby of mine to read about different faiths and find similarities in them. There are world class scholars who wrote about this, I only share the results with some "Passion". Because I strongly feel, we spend too much time in finding differences but do not invest enough time to find "Common grounds" with people from different faiths. There is a beautiful verse of the Qur'an about it....

Say 'O people of the scripture! Come to a word common to you and us that we worship none but Allah and that we associate nothing in worship with Him, and that none of us shall take others as Lords beside Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are Muslims (those who have surrendered to Allah).'
(Source: Al Qur'an 3:64)


By finding common grounds in us, we find common humanity in us. I feel this is a good way to remove misunderstanding about Islam and bring peace between different faith communities. Since most scriptures talks about "One unseen God/Creator". We can use that as a starting point. Quoted scriptures from Veda shown us we have many similarities with what it said about "Concept of God". Even if you analyze other scripture of world's "Popular religions", you will see similar common grounds....

Any Muslim (With little knowledge of scripture) will tell you that, from Adam to Muhammad (PBUH) all messengers of God came with same message. Sumbit and obey one unseen God.
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"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD!"
(The holy Bible, Old testament , Deut. 6:4)

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
( The holy Bible,new testament, Mark 12:29 >>)

"There is no true god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God,"



The Greatest Commandment (The Bible)

(Matthew 22:34-40; Luke 10:25-28)
28Then one of the scribes came near and heard the Sadducees[q] arguing with one another. He saw how well Jesus[r] answered them, so he asked him, "Which commandment is the most important of them all?"
29Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord, 30and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.'[s] 31The second is this: 'You must love your neighbor as yourself.'[t] No other commandment is greater than these."
32Then the scribe said to him, "Well said,[u] Teacher! You have told the truth that 'God[v] is one, and there is NO other besides him.'[w] 33To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding, and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all the burnt offerings and sacrifices."
34When Jesus saw how wisely the man[x] answered, he told him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." After that, no one dared to ask him another question.

{new testament, Mark 12:28-34}


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I think I mentioned before that, when I read about life of "Sri Krisna", I found it to be very similar to life of holy prophet Moses (PBUH). I am attaching an article, I read on this topic few years ago. Hope you enjoy it as much I did when I read it for the first time.

Shalom!


-----Original Message----- From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:37 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bengali culture and Islam
 
Great.
I have personal question for you. You do not have to answer.
Are you a fan of Sufism? I am a little curious as you have with earnest passion quoted from the Vedas.
Rgds.
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bengali culture and Islam
 
SB: In reality, the advancement of the human civilization has been happening through successive redefining of that "something else." Interestingly though, people seem to be too hooked on to their religious identities, while they actually follow "something else" over their forefathers' religions.

>>>>>>> Agree. :-) Very good observation indeed. SC:Although Dharma-shastra or other books like it are not read by the Hindus, they still hold some other books like the Geeta, the Chandi, the Mahabharata, and Ramayanan as scred and use them for general guidelines or guidelines on moral and ethical issues as well as for purely religious issues to earn piety. These are some of the books that many Hindu families have among their belongings.   >>>>>>> Well said again. Ironically the religious text which most similarities with Islam and Hinduism is "Ved/Veda". It speaks clearly about "Concept of God" and not too far from what Islam teaches about "Concept of God". The problem is Veda is not accessible to common Hindus and until recently most of them were not easy to understand (It became easier after some wise people decided to translate them). An Indian interfaith scholar did some work to present them to Muslims and non-Muslims as well.
1. "na tasya pratima asti"
    "There is no image of Him."
    [Yajurveda 32:3]

2. "shudhama poapvidham"
    "He is bodyless and pure."
    [Yajurveda 40:8]

3. "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
    "They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink
    deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."  
     
    [Yajurveda 40:9]

verse of Yajurveda:


"Na tasya Pratima asti"
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]
Anyway, I enjoyed discussion by both members and enjoying learning from both of you. Thank you!! Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 4:45 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bengali culture and Islam
 
A little clarification may be needed. What the Quoran is to the Muslims, Manu's Dharmashastra is not exactly the same thing to the Hindus. It is true that most pf the Hindus have not heard about this sacred book, but they are still following it unconsciously to varied extents. Besides this book, they are following other Smriti-Shastra books also written subsequently by many authorities including Raghunandan. Books were written during Ballal Sen's rule of Bengal. Hindus are still following edicts on caste system and caste dealings as well as dealings with women elaborated in these sacred books, although with education, political reforms, economic independence of women, etc. these are gradually becoming the matters of the past. But we have to admit that we still have to a go a long long way before we can stop. 
Let me give one example from rural Bengal as I saw it about 40 years ago. When a person is suffering from a terminal disease which is causing great sufferings to him, he could go to a Brahmin with degree in scriptures called pandit to get a piece of paper called "byabastha-potro" by paying him some money. The pandit would certify to God for the diseased person for one of the two alternatives----cure fully or die soonest so that there is no suffering.     
Although Dharma-shastra or other books like it are not read by the Hindus, they still hold some other books like the Geeta, the Chandi, the Mahabharata, and Ramayanan as scred and use them for general guidelines or guidelines on moral and ethical issues as well as for purely religious issues to earn piety. These are some of the books that many Hindu families have among their belongings.   
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bengali culture and Islam
 
The exchange below between Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty and Mr. Q. A. Rahman is very interesting. Two opposing views: 1) religion should not be too restrictive, 2) without the restrictions, 'religions lose it's (sic) own identity and universality'.
 
The way I see it, we are not talking about starting a new religion here. Thus, it is not for us to say what a religion should or should not be. We have to look at each religion the way it is. If we think a religion is too restrictive, and if we do not like that, then we probably should not follow that. We can extract what is good in the religion in question; discarding what is not good in it. I personally want to do this with every religion that I have time to read about, irrespective of what religion my parents or grandparents had, with absolutely no malice toward any religion.
 
Universality of religions! I do not think there is such a thing universality of any religion; whether it is like a mind-enslaving dogma or like a culture/tradition.
 
However, I agree with Mr. Rahman on the first part of the quoted part of point 2 above. Without the restrictions that a religion imposes, it would not be that religion. It would be something else. Of course, people who rely on their natural human intelligence would probably prefer that "something else" over that religion.
 
In reality, the advancement of the human civilization has been happening through successive redefining of that "something else." Interestingly though, people seem to be too hooked on to their religious identities, while they actually follow "something else" over their forefathers' religions. For example, most people who identify themselves as Hindus do not care to know, let alone follow, what Manu's 'Dharmashastra' said.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bengali culture and Islam
 
There are religion-specific cultural differences for sure. But they are very minor differences. Bengali Hindu culture and Bengali Mislim culture are almost synonymous. That is reflected in  our literature, music, performance arts, arts and paintings, food habits, and above all in our national aspirations. We belong to a common heritage and have a common tradition. 
A practicing Muslim and a practicing Hindu have a common Bengali culture and that that is reflected in our common and joint cultural programs. 
Most of what you have said refers to differences in religious belief systems. They are not cultural matters. They exist in every religion. 
I believe in freedom of a human being (soul). Nothing should be coercive to it---neither a state nor a religion. The human must not be micromanaged. It needs broader guidelines though and sense of common goals as well for peaceful coexistence and advancement. Values preached to him should be universal as much as possible. Sage Manu's "Dharmashastra" is no more a complete code of life. The world has changed a lot and it is constantly changing. Our sages had long and clear vision. But there was a limit to how far they could see. That's why we need new thoughts and at least new interpretations. 
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On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:08 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 

Hindu culture in Kerala is not exactly same as Hindu culture in Bengal

>>>>>>>>> You are right to some extend. Even in Islam the sub-cultures are different based on region. HOWEVER Islam gave us some universal laws. Here in that respect Islam is different than Hindu "Tradition". I call Hindu "Culture" a more like "Tradition" than religion.

Because in classic concept of religion, it is well structured. For example Judaism has dress codes similar to Islam. Historical Christians used to have dress closer to practicing Muslims. Christianity has "Evolved" and gotten more like Hinduism now a days. So you will see US churches talking about a "Black Jesus" in Afro-American areas, you will see image of Jesus in Mexico making it look like he was Hispanic and "Classic" Euro Christians adopted Jesus to their own standard (Blue eyed blond guy!!). I had a lively discussion with a devout Christian from south about that. I said Jesus was a Jew (As per Bible) and he was from Palestine (His birth place is part of Palestine), so he probably looked more like an Arab Palestinian than a blond guy from Germany!!

Logically one cannot accept "Local culture" and claim to practice an authentic religion for everything.

Hinduism varies a great deal from regions. Even Hindus who migrated in western world slowly but surely changed some of their traditional practices (Ganges is far away, pundits are scares etc).

As per Islamic concept, our Maker gave us a COMPLETE code of life.Unlike most prominent religions it did spell out religious views in a very structured way.

I have to agree with member Hanan that, some of what goes on during "Nobo Borsho" goes against traditional Islamic ideals. Islam does not prohibit us to accept local cultures but practicing Muslims know the limits given by our Maker. In Finland nudity is well accepted in that society. Even incest type relations is quite common in that culture. A practicing Muslim will never embrace those aspects of Finish "Culture". Maybe an Iraqi Arab will change his Arab garbs for suits but it is unimaginable for a "Practicing Muslim" to forgo commandments by Allah (SWT).

So what member Roy and Subimal said is partly correct but as per Islamic ideals we have our limits in how much we can accept of any culture.

What I want to say I'd that a religion must not be too restrictive; it must not spoon feed what to wear and what not to  eat or drink. It should rather focus on the values that are universal.

>>>>>>>>Those who embrace a concept of deity, they expect religions to tell them to say what they can eat and what is not allowed to eat. I understand some of us are not fan of such restrictions. However without those 'Restrictions" or guidelines religions lose it's own identity and universality as well.

That is why you will see people from Pakistan play very good Cricket but they don't drink beer (At least the practicing ones!) like Australians or Brits.

In other words for Muslims, we may enjoy some fanfare in moderation but don't expect any Muslim with some sense to embrace IPL cheer leaders type of dance for "Nobo Borsho" anytime soon. ;-)

I do not see any problem with Rabindra Sangits and classic bangla cultural aspect in some cases. "Anandaloke mongol aloke birajo satya sundoro...." has been a favorite of mine for a long time.

As long people understand and respect sensitivities of "Practicing Muslims" in such areas, we can get along nicely.

Shalom!


-----Original Message----- From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 16, 2012 7:25 am Subject: [mukto-mona] Bengali culture and Islam
 
Culture is a vast thing. 'Indecency' is subjective. If culture means how a group leads its life in general--what the group members eat and how they eat, what they wear, what games they play, what music they listen to, how they deal with their fellow group members, and so on, then it must be mostly local. A religion has almost nothing to do about it. Hindu culture in Kerala is not exactly same as Hindu culture in Bengal. It is more appropriate to say culture in Kerala or culture in Bengal without tying it to a particular religion. There are subcultures within each culture. But we are talking about our national culture in general which must be all inclusive. Culture evolves over time in an interactive way. What I want to say I'd that a religion must not be too restrictive; it must not spoon feed what to wear and what not to  eat or drink. It should rather focus on the values that are universal. Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Hannan Saheb,
Thank you for saying that the so called "Muslim-Culture" has Arabian cultural influence. You are an open minded religious person, who I can talk to for hours. May I respectfully present a few more points in this regard?
You said: "Muslim culture vary from place to place partly as Islam allows acceptance of Urf or local custom if it is not against Tauhid and does not contain Shirk and Fahisha ( indecency)."
 
When you say "…if it is not against Tauhid and does not contain Shirk and Fahisha ( indecency)" you are measuring against STANDARDs that came from a different region (Arabia), and you are trying to comply with it. You are also assuming that this is the bottom line. Before you do so please think about the following scenario – let's assume Prophet and writers of those Islamic religious books were from Bangladesh; what kind of cultural practices they would have prescribed for the Muslim Ummah? Definitely, the religion would have been the same, but the cultural practices for Muslims would have been the local Bengali customary practices. As you see – religious culture reflects local culture, and culture is not absolute, but – the religion is.
 
Therefore, we should not mix up religion with culture. Logically, I would think - even if local practices do not comply with "Tauhid" it should be fine with Islam.  And the standard for Shirk and Fahisha ( indecency) has universal norms; I agree with you on those points.
 
Regards,
 
Jiten Roy
--- On Sat, 4/14/12, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:

From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] RE: [KHABOR] FW: Bangla New Year Day--editorial Asia Post
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 14, 2012, 8:10 PM

 
Respected Jiten sahib,
It is true time has changed. It is also true that Muslim culture has some Arab root, however ninety percent of it is based on teachings of the Quran and Sunnah and in that sense Muslim culture is universal for Muslims. Muslim culture vary from place to place partly as Islam allows acceptance of Urf or local custom if it is not against Tauhid and does not contain Shirk and Fahisha ( indecency).
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
 
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:07 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: [KHABOR] FW: Bangla New Year Day--editorial Asia Post
 
 
Hannan Saheb,
 
Our childhoods were in a different era. Now it is internet era. We have many things now that we did not have then; also we do many things that we did not do then. We have cell phones now; boys and girls can talk as long as they want, which we could not do. These are modern amenities, and they are here to stay. You should not stay in your childhood forever. You cannot stop progress in the society because it was not there before.
 
Also, what you call your religious culture is not your Bengali Muslim culture; it's the Arabian Culture. You are trying to emulate that culture as your religious culture. Every society has distinct culture. Religion is separate from culture. Our Bengali culture is richer than Arabian Culture. Don't try to shun your culture to embrace some foreign culture. Having said that, I should admit - we cannot eliminate the influence of othe


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